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Eh - I'm ok with it. My daughter volunteers at a sanctuary like that and she loves it (and it's been good for her). I am in love with Eleanor, the dog that was with Chloe at the beginning of the episode. That whole scene made me uncomfortable. Even though Emily obviously gave consent for it to be filmed, I just feel like it was unethical and definitely not a genuine therapy session. I also wondered if Emily was filmed with her therapist because she doesn't have any female friends remaining (which is who they usually film with) besides the show friends. I also liked Clareapist's beige turtleneck that she wore during the tattoo scene. We don't have much in common but Clare and I do share a love of the big cozy sweater.

I love me some theater but I'll pass on this. I thought the color was a little too bright, but I did love Clareapist's big, cozy pink turtleneck. I love a giant sweater on a cold day and if that was a few shades lighter, I'd be all over it. I do think her hair looks better without the light streaks. And weirdly, though I myself could not pull off the look, I liked Chloe's fitted, vibrant colored dress from her evening having drinks with Cesar. She wore it well. I would look like a refugee from the 70's (which I kind of am, but not in a good way).

This re-ran last night so I watched again. I hadn’t remembered it well from the first time around. I would love to see Tammy in a WATN episode. At the end of this one, she had lost 126 pounds and was approved for surgery but waiting for it to be scheduled as it was just at the end of COVID restrictions. I hope she got her surgery and continued to do well. Anyone have any updates on her?

I’ve been in a couple of groups for parents of children with a particular illness and they are helpful… But one thing they have all had in common is that the children were at all different stages of healing. This enables more experienced parents to see how far their kids have come and provide wisdom and hope to the newer parents. Newer parents benefit from the lived experience of the more experienced parents. Also all the groups I’ve been in have an experienced, if not professional, facilitator to keep the group on task. These folks, while not in a formal support group, are all at the same stage of “grief” in their relationships. They don’t seem to be helping one another but rather just fueling each other’s anger and disappointment. Honestly I feel like none of these people should stay in touch with each other going forward. Certainly Denver is big enough for all of them?

Her hydrangeas are gorgeous! I haven't had much luck with mine; not enough sun, I think...

@Yeah No and @Starlight925 - I’m not an “expert” but you guys might be a match made in heaven!

There is a 50 Shades of Pink joke in here somewhere but I can’t quite get to it at the moment…

They should have both Gerry and Theresa - a direct competition.

That’s not a bad message - and I love that dog!

How far in advance is all of this filmed? I think that Brennan said he and the new person had been together “a couple of months” when they were filming the tell-all and I’m wondering how long ago that was.

I didn't know that either! Is there a source for that tidbit that you can link? I'm in that school of thought. I'm not a lawyer either but I think a divorce after such a short marriage should be straightforward. But why leave a door open when there is a lot at stake and and it's easy to close it?

That seems way more accurate.

Well sure - I mean, none of them have to explain anything to us. That doesn't mean we can't discuss it here. And yes, I am also grossed out by someone wiping his nose on his t-shirt, even once. I just don't equate sex between consenting adults with wiping snot on a shirt. I don't find sex to be dirty; I think Brennan saw Emily's sexual past as dirty. Even though she was awful to him, he was still awful to her. He could have taken the high road, even when he perceived that she was taking the low road. He could have been honest early on instead of his macho, "protectiveness." And he was all up in his own ego about "saving her life" when all he really did was hold a cloth on her head while the medics did the real work. They can both be awful, ya know? I can see a big, dramatic breakup with Emily and the rest of the posse, but I can also see the others just getting kind of tired of woo-woo party girl. I had a friend who was woo-woo party girl and eventually it got tiresome. There were a lot of more serious cracks that eventually led to the end of our friendship but I don't miss the constant drama, the drunken antics or ending most evenings with a huge bar tab, holding back her hair while she cried and vomited, and then having to drive her home (far, far out of my way... every single night out). I can sort of see the posse (especially Becca and Lauren) finding that old after not too much longer. Clareapist likes a project so she might hang on a little longer. I don't. She was appropriate in her interactions with him and she called him out in an appropriate way on his bullshit.

That is my opinion as well. I think he looked down on Emily and thought she was not worthy of being matched with him. Why is she “nasty?” Because has had a lot of one night stands (although we don’t know how many she has had; we only know that she has enjoyed the ones she has had). She could have had safe sex and we have no reason to believe that she has STIs. And I don’t see any judgement here at all about the men who took her home (especially if she was so drunk she might not remember what she did), had sex with her and never called her again. Are they as “nasty” as she is? I agree that people have different values around sex. No problem there. But when words like “nasty” start to come into it, that’s a judgement about someone’s worth and value as a person. I do have a problem with that. So if 2 one night stands is better than 50, where is the cut off? What’s the scale. Is “zero” excellent and non-nasty; single digits are ok but start to get a little nasty when you get into the upper reaches and double digits is really nasty territory? What is really interesting to me is that Emily showed no signs of wanting to continue one night stands after she was married. She didn’t seem to want an open marriage or polyamory or anything like that. So when I wonder why this was an issue for Brennan, I’m coming from a perspective of Emily’s one night stands being something she did when she was single and something that really didn’t directly impact him. She didn’t even know him when this was what she was doing. It didn’t say anything at all about how she was going to behave in their marriage. I am surprised by that as well. Lauren seems to have more common sense than that and I thought she acted a little more immature than I would have anticipated. Plus, while I think that Orion treated her really badly, she only had about two weeks of that bad behavior and then she could have been totally free of him (his multiple offers of “friendship” and “reconciliation” notwithstanding). Her anger seems disproportionate to the length of their relationship.

It looks like he is trying to strangle her.