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  1. Robyn's adult children are adults and hopefully made their own decisions about whether or not to attend the memorial at the armory. It was on a Sunday, so likely they didn't have conflicts with classes or work. I know Garrison mentioned missing Dayton in an episode last season and Aurora admitted that Gabe has always been kind to her. So, I hope they did go and just stayed out of camera range. I do wonder how Kody and Robyn are going to handle this going forward. They are in a kind of a lose lose situation because rightly or wrongly a lot of viewers are going to hold them responsible. I agree that Kody took it way too far with the things he said about his kids such as calling them a$$holes on national TV. And Robyn wasn't far behind expressing her anger and resentment over the gift exchange flap that she her caused in the first place. I just don't know what they can say on camera that isn't going to cause an even bigger firestorm. So far, their efforts to rehab their image have gone very badly. I'm not sure even a seasoned crisis manager wants to touch this situation.
  2. I agree that we have no idea who was really there given that some people may have wanted to stay off camera. I too can understand why Maddie wouldn't be there. I remember hearing that Caleb travels a lot for work, so he may not have been able to stay home with the kids so she could come. Also, she went to Christine's wedding and maybe there just isn't money for multiple trips. Seeing Janelle receiving the flag broke my heart. I have never seen someone look so broken. I pray for her and the whole family. It's going to take a long time for them to find a new normal. I really hope someone is looking after Gabe as well. He's got a tough road ahead. OK, I'm a bad person, but in one of the pictures Kody has his hand on Robyn's knee and is manspreading for all he's worth. For some reason it just annoyed me. The least he could do is tone it down for once in his life at an occasion like this. I also won't read anything into who sat where because except for making sure the family was in the front there probably wasn't any planned seating. I could see Hunter particularly sticking close to his mother in this situation and just sitting next to her naturally.
  3. I am reserving judgement here because there is no right way to grieve. Some people need to make public statements and some need to keep things private. Some people say that having to return to their job was the only thing that got them through a time of mourning because it gave them a reason to get out of bed in the morning. Whether we like it or not, social media is Christine's job. I'm glad it's not my job. Having said that, I can't give her or any of the other Plexus pushers a pass on all the absurd claims they make. Sometimes those claims are irresponsible like saying it cures psoriatic arthritis or increases milk production while breastfeeding. Christine can grieve how she wants, but that doesn't absolve her from being called out for selling this snake oil.
  4. Every time I think I'm done tearing up over Garrison's passing, something else makes it start again. First, the lovely dedication of the cat room at High County Humane that was financed at least in part by the wonderful snark community here and now Logan's post. Garrison must have really been into Norse mythology because several of his siblings have mentioned Valhalla as where he must be. I hope Valhalla has kitties. I'm also glad to hear that his sweet kitties have found nice homes with his siblings.
  5. How has that barndo not burned down? There are so many flammable things in there along with candles and electric fireplaces. If they add a wood stove, that will be yet another source of open flame to catch some of Jill's decor on fire. And her bathroom is really something. I'm still trying to figure out why she has a Be Humble sign on her toilet. That's so Jill. So, do we think she will Jillify the new shed? Those sheds aren't cheap. Makes me wonder where all this money is coming from.
  6. I am grateful for the MANY insightful comments here that have helped me to learn so much not just about the Duggars and their surrounding world, but about all sorts of disparate things. Even when we disagree, we are never disagreeable to each other. I love that and will miss it if we are shut down. I am also grateful for the MANY humorous posts that made me snort or LOL. Humor is sometimes the only healthy way to process some of these situations. The Sweet Fellowship thread has some great humorous observations. Thanks everyone.
  7. Same here. My favorite thing about this site was that it became are real community where people supported each other, especially during the pandemic isolation. I also love the no politics policy. That's why I have avoided other places where personal sniping happens frequently and everything turns into politics. I also want to say that I have worked in the DEI space for years in a large corporation as a volunteer in addition to my day job. I helped socialize and implement DEI policies and learned from some very good facilitators how to have delicate discussions. When I facilitated discussions, we had concrete examples in the ground rules of how someone could express a delicate point rather than vague guidelines. That helped people to have healthier discussions. So given my background, I think I know what I am talking about when I say that the lack of engagement here except for punishment is not the way to go about raising the bar of conversation. I absolutely am fine with changing thread titles and doing away with some derogatory nicknames (particularly ones aimed at children), but engage with us. We want to preserve this space and we are willing to work with you. A mod engaged on the Sister Wives forum and got a positive response and that forum can get pretty snarky. Why is it different here? I understand the mods may be overwhelmed, but if you are going to say do better or else we will shut you down, give some concrete ways we can do better.
  8. Boy, her latest screed is really something. I work outside the home because there aren't pennies from heaven raining down. I need to work if I want to eat and have a roof over my head. Of course, I'm an evil single woman (no kids and no blue hair) so I'm sure I don't count in Jill's eyes. And her little dig at pharmaceuticals is rich when she is drinking an entire chemistry set with that pink stuff.
  9. I have said this many times, but I have no idea where all the money is coming from for all of this. I have a good job and live comfortably and wouldn't spend like this. I'm curious about them claiming that building the pool will only take three weeks. Either their friend is blowing smoke or they aren't listening again. Either one of those is plausible. Even if the weather cooperates, there is so much to do with grading, digging out the pool, putting down the liner, putting down decking, and so on. I have no idea how that gets done in three weeks. It will be interesting when they go to sell. When I was just about to start college, my family relocated for my father's job. One of the houses my parents looked at was a really nice ranch on a corner lot that had everything they wanted, except it had a pool they didn't want to deal with. That place had been on the market forever and the realtor said it was specifically because of the pool. And it was a regular pool in good shape, not some odd thing only 4' deep. So I envision lots of tearful videos where Carlin says that they need the Lord to find them a buyer so that they can move on to their next place. Personally, I think the Lord has other stuff He needs to be doing rather than helping these two out.
  10. First I am no Robyn fan. I was disgusted when she manipulated Meri into giving up her Christmas Eve celebration and not inviting the boys like she (Meri) wanted to. However, Kody is a big boy who has repeatedly said that the wives don't control him. So he made the choice on his own to remain estranged from his sons despite the fact that Gabe and Garrison repeatedly tried to work things out. That being said, I don't want to lay blame anywhere for this tragedy. It's a horrible and unexpected thing and I am sure that at least some family members are second guessing themselves right about now.
  11. Tim is not prepared to be a working adult anywhere. I still remember when he thought it was a good idea to review his own business and got defensive when someone gently suggested he take the review down because it made him look bad. Now he is bothering coffee shop employees who point out the no soliciting policy and then thinks he's being clever by going on Google and posting a false review. I believe what the person who responded to Tim's negative review said because Tim just doesn't understand how to work with people and appears to get angry when things don't go his way. Also, he has pointed out that he is curt with women because he thinks all of them want him. We don't. I wonder if there is anyone in Heidi's family who can take him under their wing and teach him how working adults actually operate. He may listen to one of them because they worship the correct Jesus whereas someone else may just get ignored as yet another persecutor. He has a tough road ahead of him without some help. I'd love to know what the story is with Philip and constantly changing Bible colleges. This last place made Massillon look like Harvard by comparison. So, there was some sort of falling out with Massillon and now this other place. He is not going to Hungary as a missionary now or ever. I feel sorry for him because I think that whole going to Hungary thing was simply Jill's fantasy and not his.
  12. As if all of this isn't bad enough, she will be expected to homeschool her own children. When does a situation like this collapse under its own weight?
  13. Absolutely. I'm not crafty at all and I learned how to make a cardboard tube covered with old wallpaper into a lamp.
  14. Regarding public statements or going forward with the show, I hope everyone is able to do what they feel comfortable with and what they need to get through this. After having read Jill (Duggar) Dillard's book I am skeptical when offspring make public statements. She was a married adult with a child and still felt obligated to defend her brother. She didn't want to discuss that situation publicly, but did it to save the show (she said that right out). The really sick part was that her brother was sitting a few feet away while she gave that interview. So I hope nothing like that happens here. I won't presume to judge any of the family members who choose to speak publicly, but I am concerned that pressure may be put on some to come out to save the show or repair someone's reputation. This is such a tragedy and the family is going to go through a lot to find their new normal. Obviously everyone can do what they want, but I'm not sure I can continue to watch this show in good conscience. This has gone beyond adults willingly making fools of themselves.
  15. I read about this terrible tragedy this morning and I am heartbroken for Garrison and his family. Since this is a tribute thread all I will say is that I am hoping against hope that this is a wakeup call to the entire family to stop this show and just live ordinary lives. I don't know how Janelle picks up the pieces from this. I can't even begin to imagine the pain everyone is going through and I want them to have the privacy and space to mourn and start to work through this. They will never be the same and I will be joining those who will not gawk at them for entertainment. ETA: I was originally going to post the rest of this in the spoiler thread, but it looks like everything has been moved over here, so I will finish up my thoughts here. My hope for the family is that we are wrong and that this will wake them up and bring them closer together. A tragedy like this can dissolve into blaming each other or it can finally focus people and help them to realize how unimportant past slights they have been hanging on to are. That is my hope for everyone. I also hope that all of them can get help from professionals to work through this and find a new normal. I want those professionals to make it a condition of treating them that there will be no cameras anywhere. I don't want fame seekers like the useless Nancy taking advantage of this situation. I especially want Christine to grow up and make sure Truley gets the help she needs to deal with losing someone she saw as her big brother. This whole thing is devastating. For Kody, I hope this is his wakeup call. I hope he stops yelping about the phone working both ways and uses it to reconcile with his kids. This should show him he doesn't have all the time in the world to continue to nurse years-old grudges and wallow in past resentments some of which have nothing to do with his kids. He needs to pull his head out of the manosphere (and other places) and stop waiting for everyone to come to him. Those kids still love him despite everything, but this tragedy could be the end of those feelings for some of them. If he does the right thing, he may be able to salvage this mess if he wants to. As for going forward, I want this to end period. I don't want an in memoriam episode where the family is expected to parade their grief for people's entertainment. I don't want them to go on with their ridiculous behavior with just a black screen saying what happened. I just want them to get off the air and deal with this privately. I can't imagine how broken Janelle is right now given what we have unfortunately had leaked about what happened. Just stop, TLC. It's all fun and games until someone gets hurt and there are a lot of people hurt right now who don't need to be exploited. This should start a dialog about reality TV and particularly kids growing up on TV who have no choice in the matter. Yes, when they turn 18 a lot of them like Logan put a stop to filming, but it is clear that minors don't have the power to do that. We will never know how much of Garrison's issues were caused by TV and how much was the beast that is depression, but TV certainly didn't help. That's on the parents and I hope they do some serious introspection and eventually speak out and warn others off exploiting their kids on TV and social media. RIP Garrison. I hope you are cuddling lots of kitties right now.
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