S08.E21: Reunion Part 1

[shoegal]

1 minute ago, LIMOM said:

What is the origin of the term "time stamp'?

I have to say so far Beth earned that pay check and more.

I thought the "time stamp" came from the discussion that B, Jules and some of the others had at B's caviar party. It sounds like Bethenny was discussing whether or not she was interested in Shields. I can see Bethenny saying something like 'well I did call the wife to give her the info, so now there's a time stamp'.

[WireWrap]

5 minutes ago, shoegal said:

I don't think you have to be friends with someone to want them to know you haven't been fucking their husband, or that you're not a husband stealer.

So did Bethenny then call Jill to say, Hey, guess what, I am Fucking your husband now!, a month later? I don't believe her, I really don't. She knows that being exposed having a relationship with a married man can and will hurt her brand, so she is spinning as hard as she can to get us to believe otherwise. I don't know or care if she/Shields were together before that dinner or not and I don't believe she really called Jill.

Edited September 2, 2016 by WireWrap

[shoegal]

4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Not buying it. Bethenny has never shown herself to be someone that worries about others getting the wrong impression of her. You know, Zero Fucks and all. LOL

LOL, I thought your stance was even though B claims to give "zero fucks" that she clearly does give lots of fucks!

3 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

How do you even start that convo?

Thankfully, I wouldn't know....hope I never do! 

[WireWrap]

6 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

What is the origin of the term "time stamp'?

I have to say so far Beth earned that pay check and more.

It is sad that Sonja spends her time cooped up in her townhouse and while I think that Dorinda is likable and down to earth, it is a bit low to attack Sonja who is obviously not in touch with reality.

I get the feeling Dorinda's comments about Sonja were written after she read Sonja's blog. Sonja went in on Dorinda, big time.

1 minute ago, shoegal said:

LOL, I thought your stance was even though B claims to give "zero fucks" that she clearly does give lots of fucks!

Thankfully, I wouldn't know....hope I never do! 

I was pointing out her hypocrisy, say 1 thing, do another! LOL

[sasha206]

On 8/31/2016 at 0:11 PM, HunterHunted said:

It is also a weealking dress and not a sitting dress. This is something that Tom and Lorenzo talk about all the time. Sitting dresses highlight your face or your legs, but basically bring visual interest to the parts of the body that are on display when you are giving a sitting interview. If you need to be standing and have a wind machine on you to make your dress look good because otherwise it looks like tea stained rags, don't wear it during a 10 hour sit down interview.

Am I the only one who thinks the Alexander McQueen dress was ugly as well short sleeved and on the model?

[RHJunkie]

Bethenny makes a very obvious insinuation about someone doing drugs and when asked to address it, she "doesn't want to ruin lives". Bethenny can step on her shoebox and judge other women for what they do in their bedrooms, no one needs to behave has deplorably as her to convince others that she's a nasty piece of work. If you're going to put other people on blast for what or who they're doing, don't try to act like a principled human being later on in an effort to 'not ruin lives' when the only reason that it's a topic of conversation is because of you in the first place. 

I got a kick out of Carole constantly saying 'excuse me' every time Luann told her to shut up...after the many times she tried to insert herself into the conversation that only involved Bethenny and Luann. 

Also, Luann didn't make up that information. I saw those headlines as well....unless Luann is the one that leaked that information to the press. I think Luann is running with the initial 'word on the street' and standing by it. I don't think her and Bethenny share any of the same inner circle that Luann would have inside information on that.

It's funny how Bethenny has zero perspective. She's defending her relationship knowing the context of what her relationship is not as bad as it would appear on the surface (two married people dating each other who are not their spouse). Yet, it's easy for her to be considerate of her own experience yet wouldn't think twice to take hearsay and use that as a motive to slut shame and treat someone's bedroom activities as facts. 

Bethenny, nobody has to degrade your character. You do that all on your own. 

[sasha206]

18 hours ago, miss carousel said:

i also don't understand Bethy's obsession with that dumb etiquette book Luann put her name on. It was a book on etiquette not a treastice on ethics and morality. That Luann in private likes to let her hair down and be bawdy and likes to party is not being a hypocrite. Julia Child liked and ate McDonald's French fries that didn't disqualify her from writing about gourmet cuisine. The only people who don't have a public face and a private face are lunatics who go around shouting crazy shit and pissing in the street Oh wait.

 

Exactly!  Well stated.  

[straightshooter]

Rewatching....

In regard to calling Shields' wife, Bethenny said, ".....so I called her to make a time stamp".  She obviously knew there was something there, or she would have no need to make a time stamp - especially to call right away.  

A little review: Dennis and Jill were already separated, so I'm not saying Bethenny broke them up.  I don't believe that was the case.  

[ryebread]

32 minutes ago, RHJunkie said:

Bethenny, nobody has to degrade your character. You do that all on your own. 

Heart, heart, heart. 

She's independent in all things.

[ElDosEquis]

1 hour ago, LIMOM said:

How do you even start that convo?

With the forked tongue of a serpent....

[njbchlover]

5 hours ago, straightshooter said:

This article from February makes me think that Shields' marriage was really over some time ago.  Allegedly, a friend of his says that "he's had feelings for her for a long time....", which makes me think it's entirely possible that this is a much bigger deal to the audience than it is to anyone inside the situation.  I don't recall any big denials of any of what was said, and Bethenny herself told Carole (during the holidays) that he said he'd marry her in a minute, or something to that effect.  That's pretty quick, if they supposedly started dating in November.  There was some history there....even if it was just feelings.

http://pagesix.com/2016/02/21/is-bethenny-frankel-dating-a-married-man-or-not/

Gee...and everyone is jumping all over Luann for her and Tom's quick jump from dating to proposal.  Seems like all those bald-headed guys think alike!  ;-)  

3 hours ago, Trooper York said:

I cook for my wife every night. Tonight it is popcorn chicken with gluten free bread crumbs. A salad with red onion, black olives, feta and a fresh dressing of olive oil and lemon. With a side veg of asparagus in garlic and oil with pecorino romano cheese.  A fresh iced cold lemonade with stevia.  Mixed fruit for dessert.

Most of us do things like that with our loves. We aren't at the hotel bar sucking face or hanging out doing lines in the bathroom. 

That is why we watch. To laugh at these low lifes.

Your wife is a lucky woman!!  Sounds like a yummy dinner!  :-)

[Otherkate]

7 hours ago, Ellee said:

Or maybe the wife lit a candle when he left and said to leave her 50% at the door on the way out.  The rest will be negotiated by my attorney. 

I mean, this is kind of what I assumed. God knows I was happy when my ex started dating during our separation. I'm happy for him now that we've finally filed for divorce and are on our way.  It sure is possible. 

[Otherkate]

Jezebel recap: http://jezebel.com/part-1-of-the-rhony-reunion-had-the-women-maybe-outing-1786052635

This mentions the whole REY section which I totally forgot about, but now remember that Ramona acted almost like a human being during that part. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

I get the feeling Dorinda's comments about Sonja were written after she read Sonja's blog. Sonja went in on Dorinda, big time.

And just why is Sonja going so hard now on this "Dorinda & John do coke" jag?  Is her motive merely to reserve herself a spot on the Asshole Bethenny & her ass-kissing assistant assholes Satan couch -- and to assure her position on the show next season?

Honestly, I'm confused by these coke accusations against Dorinda & John.  It's really nasty as fuck.  Bethenny is throwing the accusation out there -- and yet she clearly thinks it's fine & dandy & OK to do that because she's not elaborating on the deets.  Er, it isn't OK.  If they weren't bound by Bravo contracts, and more importantly by the fear of not being re-hired by Bavo for another season, she could be successfully sued -- and so could dumbass Sonja.

About this giving zero fucks bullshit stance of Bethenny's?  It's just that -- bullshit.  Just Trumpian word garbage.  Please, make no mistake.  Bethenny gives plenty of fucks.  And I mean plenty.  If she gave zero fucks, then why the hell did she go to the effort of putting Shields' daughter on the phone?  Cuz she gives plenty of fucks, that's why.  For many reasons -- for the sake of her position on the show and/or for the sake of her brand & sales of SG, but she clearly does not want to be in a position of being hated.  Maybe that's why she was saying those comments last week about the show being too negative & people lying about her or maligning her character (HA!) & she was thinking about not coming back next season.  Um, are we hearing any of that bullshit anymore?  Unfortunately, no.  That was just more Trumpian word garbage from her.

Guess we'll have to wait for the next Trumpian word garbage & bullshit to come outta her.  She seems to respond based on what audience response is to her.  Zero fucks, eh?  That's a laugh.  Oh yeah, and she's "brutally honest" too, right?  Well, at least her lies are giving me a bit of a giggle now.

Edited September 2, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[jumper sage]

7 hours ago, bosawks said:

Could that phone call also have been pre-recorded? I thought it was weird how the voice on the other end just kept spieling, even while Bethany was talking and jumping around.

OMG.  This reminds me of Good Luck Charlie episode - Appy Days - Teddy uses a fake phone call app to trick Amy and Ivy's mother, Mary Lou, into allowing them to go to a senior party. 

[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

The Real Housewives Of New York City Reunion Part I: Dorinda Can't Make It Nice

The annual airing of the New York Housewives' dirty laundry begins with a return to the Berkshires and, unfortunately, a reminder that John exists.

[StevieRocks]

14 hours ago, Ki-in said:

STFU Carole seems to be the chant of the day. I'm glad Lu is telling her to shut up. And Carole needs to realize that she was NEVER a princess because the Radziwill's gave up their titles! And Luann was a Countess and frankly will forever be known as Countess Luann since it is her show biz name now even if she loses a worthless title. She will forever be our Countess Lu and Carole will forever be Bethenny's lap dog and called Carold, horse face, Cryptkeeper, Golum, Pokey etc etc etc

Amen! And don't forget---"Francis the talking mule"! Ha!

[ParadoxLost]

Frankly, I was horrified at the idea that Bethenny was the type of person who would call her boyfriend's kid to defend her over allegations that her father cheated on her Mother with Bethenny.  That's as bad as actually cheating to me.

The daughter must be early twenties at most.  I highly doubt this won't create friction with her Mother and siblings even if there was no cheating.

Edited September 2, 2016 by ParadoxLost

[UsernameFatigue]

I can't believe that no one (at least that I have seen) has posted what I thought was the funniest line of the whole epi, when at the first of the show  Andy said hello to Lu and said "This may be your last reunion as a countess." Could he be any more obvious that he doesn't think the wedding is going to take place - lol. I fully expected LuLu to fly off the handle and say "What do you mean, Andy? I have a ring and three dresses!". Nope - I think LuLu is unsure as well. I also loved when she said "Once a countess always a countess" and Carole said "I don't think that is true". Hilarious. 

I would say from the other Howives' reactions - namely Sonja and LuLu - that Dorinda does do coke. And they likely do as well (or at least LuLu for sure) which is why the topic got shut down. LuLu seemed particularly anxious to get off the topic. And I have no idea why Dorinda thinks her adult daughter (and yes, I thought she moved out too) would be a reason one would believe she doesn't do coke. For all we know Hannah could be her supplier. 

I love that LieAnn (love that!) once again stated that a man cannot be stolen. But apparently a woman is responsible when an engaged man sticks his tongue down her throat. I am sure that will make it into LuLu's next book. Though I am not sure Tom's last name will give her enough pull to get another book published. 

[breezy424]

So, according to Beth, she has talked to Shield's wife three times in the past 27 years.  So, one of those times was Beth having drinks/dinner with Shields.  That leaves two.  Did Beth talk to Shields' wife when she and Dennis started their relationship?  No mention of that so I doubt it.  For a woman who declares over and over again that she gives no fucks, why did she feel obliged to make sure that Jill knew about her and Dennis being innocently together to have a time stamp when she has talked to woman maybe twice in 27 years?  Makes no sense.  Funny part for me is that if Beth didn't lay into Lu about sleeping with married men and her whole tirade on Lu in the Berkshires, this wouldn't have been the big deal it's been made out to be.

Speaking of which, this whole not giving any fucks is the biggest sham.  Beth gives a fuck.  She's obsessed with it.  She gives a fuck about anyone who isn't on the Beth is the greatest train.  She gives a fuck about anything negatively said about her business or her.  She gives so much of a fuck, she called her boyfriend's daughter to somehow convince the world that there was nothing going on with Shields until December.  Sorry about using the word but it is what it is. 

I wish someone asked Beth when is her boyfriend going to file for divorce.  Because if the shoe was on the other foot, you know damn well that Beth would have asked it.  Demanded it.  And have a lot to say about it.

And once again, I really feel sorry for Bryn.  And I'm a bit scared for her having a mother like Beth. 

Edited September 2, 2016 by breezy424

[ElDosEquis]

37 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I can't believe that no one (at least that I have seen) has posted what I thought was the funniest line of the whole epi, when at the first of the show  Andy said hello to Lu and said "This may be your last reunion as a countess." Could he be any more obvious that he doesn't think the wedding is going to take place - lol. I fully expected LuLu to fly off the handle and say "What do you mean, Andy? I have a ring and three dresses!". Nope - I think LuLu is unsure as well. I also loved when she said "Once a countess always a countess" and Carole said "I don't think that is true". Hilarious. 

I would say from the other Howives' reactions - namely Sonja and LuLu - that Dorinda does do coke. And they likely do as well (or at least LuLu for sure) which is why the topic got shut down. LuLu seemed particularly anxious to get off the topic. And I have no idea why Dorinda thinks her adult daughter (and yes, I thought she moved out too) would be a reason one would believe she doesn't do coke. For all we know Hannah could be her supplier. 

I love that LieAnn (love that!) once again stated that a man cannot be stolen. But apparently a woman is responsible when an engaged man sticks his tongue down her throat. I am sure that will make it into LuLu's next book. Though I am not sure Tom's last name will give her enough pull to get another book published. 

That is right, we can't be stolen.

If you trust your old man, what is there to worry about?

At least he didn't put a ring on a woman while he was technically married. So, if we are going to hold tom to a higher metric, let's hold MrMethenny the III

to the same standard, OK?

Why buy the milk, when you can get the cow for free?

[NeverLate]

Bethenny can dish it out, she can't take it. Even on her own talk show, she had guests on, but there was no need, she already knew everything.?

[UsernameFatigue]

1 minute ago, ElDosEquis said:

That is right, we can't be stolen.

If you trust your old man, what is there to worry about?

At least he didn't put a ring on a woman while he was technically married. So, if we are going to hold tom to a higher metric, let's hold MrMethenny the III

to the same standard, OK?

Why buy the milk, when you can get the cow for free?

You missed the point - LieAnn claims she did not steal Tom from the woman he was on a date with and take him home. However the woman TomCat was playing tonsil hockey with was responsible for the fact that he could not stay faithful to his fiance 10 days after he got engaged. See the difference? LieAnn - not responsible for what TomCat did. Tonsil hockey partner - totally responsible for what TomCat did. And yes, as you pointed out, TomCat has proven that LieAnn cannot trust him, and she should be worried. And I am sure she is. 

[tenativelyyours]

I think I've got it!

 

Zero Fucks gives a Fuck to call a woman married to the man the Zero Fuck is with to tell that woman the man has Zero Fucking chance of being fucked by Zero Fucks because part of giving Zero Fucks is giving a Fuck to make sure everyone involved at that point is not getting a Fuck from Zero Fucks who clearly does give a Fuck about a situation in which no Fucks are involved. 

Fucking get it?

[straightshooter]

Poor Bryn.  Considering the fact that all of this footage and every word and picture on SM will be around forever, at some point it just might occur to her that her mom is a serious asshole.  

Good thing Bethenny gives zero fu......

[ElDosEquis]

31 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

You missed the point - LieAnn claims she did not steal Tom from the woman he was on a date with and take him home. However the woman TomCat was playing tonsil hockey with was responsible for the fact that he could not stay faithful to his fiance 10 days after he got engaged. See the difference? LieAnn - not responsible for what TomCat did. Tonsil hockey partner - totally responsible for what TomCat did. And yes, as you pointed out, TomCat has proven that LieAnn cannot trust him, and she should be worried. And I am sure she is. 

No, I did 'get it'.

I have been a man for a while and am not property.

I go where I please and with who I want to.

LOL, tonsil hockey is verboten, yet buying a ring for some skank while you are still married isn't?

Seems that men can't be stolen, but women can be bought with some rock pulled out of the ground?

The largest stone on the planet - bigger than any fibroid on earth - doesn't mean shit unless the intent behind it is without any stigma attached.

Even the worst fucking asshole guy I know would get clear of the OLD old lady before investing in another used model with high miles and some body damage.

I have been kidnapped by a woman, She kept me in bed for days and sent me home - this was after she did climbed on top of me and did things to my pee pee. 

I went with her willingly, afterwards.

[UsernameFatigue]

17 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

No, I did 'get it'.

I have been a man for a while and am not property.

I go where I please and with who I want to.

LOL, tonsil hockey is verboten, yet buying a ring for some skank while you are still married isn't?

Seems that men can't be stolen, but women can be bought with some rock pulled out of the ground?

The largest stone on the planet - bigger than any fibroid on earth - doesn't mean shit unless the intent behind it is without any stigma attached.

Even the worst fucking asshole guy I know would get clear of the OLD old lady before investing in another used model with high miles and some body damage.

I have been kidnapped by a woman, She kept me in bed for days and sent me home - this was after she did climbed on top of me and did things to my pee pee. 

I went with her willingly, afterwards.

Lol. As I have said before, this site is way more entertaining than the show itself. I know many people who have never divorced. Two relatives including my brother who have been separated from their exes since 1990, and 1999. They are hardly fucking assholes - lol. If there is no intent to remarry there is no reason to divorce. Bethy's boyfriend and his ex may never divorce if neither plans to remarry. My one relative's ex has been with his current partner since 1999 - they are perfectly happy as is my relative in her relationship. But it is touching that you are concerned about Bethy's future and apparently want her in a happy marriage.

BTW, I saw a pic of Bethy and her boyfriend taken a couple of weeks ago. She looked fabulous, and was not wearing a ring on her left hand. I think she was just playing with those whose heads she thought would explode at the site of a rock on her left hand. One of the reasons I get such a kick out of her. 

Edited September 2, 2016 by UsernameFatigue

[ElDosEquis]

7 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Lol. As I have said before, this site is way more entertaining than the show itself. I know many people who have never divorced. Two relatives including my brother who have been separated from their exes since 1990, and 1999. They are hardly fucking assholes - lol. If there is no intent to remarry there is no reason to divorce. Bethy's boyfriend and his ex may never divorce if neither plans to remarry. My one relative's ex has been with his current partner since 1999 - they are perfectly happy as is my relative in her relationship. But it is touching that you are concerned about Bethy's future and apparently want her in a happy marriage.

BTW, I saw a pic of Bethy and her boyfriend taken a couple of weeks ago. She looked fabulous, and was not wearing a ring on her left hand. I think she was just playing with those whose heads she thought would explode at the site of a rock on her left hand. One of the reasons I get such a kick out of her. 

Hmm, I saw a photo of beth in a bathing suit and I was kinda repulsed.

You can tell quite a bit about the games people play - When you have no integrity, you can pretty much play any game you want.  When you don't play by the ''rules" your only beef is with the people who catch you in a lie, that ruins the illusion.
 

Yes, I am concerned about meth's future, I want to see it go down in a rotten, stinking blaze of glory - the kind that seems to follow her around.

Hey, what channel is her talk show on, or is it in a summer hiatus?

I had a fuck to give - but don't have my wallet on me.

[LibertarianSlut]

Man, Bethenny could have played this differently. She would have looked better if she just outed herself for dating a "technically" married man at the beginning, and stuck to rolling her eyes anytime Luann wanted to call her a hypocrite or harken back to the Berkshires. Nothing's gonna save Bethenny at this point, but when your still-married boyfriend comes up, it's a better look to calmly state your truth once. Save the grandstanding and theatrics for when you have the high ground.

Production/Andy should never have allowed the phone call to the daughter to air. It made for bad TV. I don't need a faceless voice repeating Bethy's party line through a phone. If it's too distasteful to bring this daughter on the show so that viewers can gauge her credibility, then please leave her out of it. 

And, finally, Bethenny, please check yourself. You're grinning and lit up like a Christmas tree because your boyfriend's daughter said he wasn't cheating on her mom with you? Look at the bigger picture. A savvier person would not have outwardly treated that as a victory. A marriage is coming to an end. Pretend you have some respect for that.

Since Bethenny won't take my advice, I hope Luann does: when they come for you about Tom, just brush them off. 

[ScoobieDoobs]

LieAnn?  Uh, I don't care for it, honestly.  Not cuz it's not true.  It absolutely is true & it fits her to a tee.  When you think about it, Lu has been lying to us since the very second she first appeared on the show.  I just don't think it's an especially funny nickname.  And coming from Bethenny of all people -- who is every bit as much of a bullshitter as Lu is?  How about BetheLIAR?  No, it's not so funny either, but it says exactly who she is & goes right up against her "brutally honest" & "zero fucks" crapola she's trying so desperately to push at us.  Oh yeah, that's who she wants us to think she is -- when she's really the exact opposite.  BetheLIAR is a relentless bullsitter -- that's exactly who she is.

Edited September 2, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[nexxie]

1 hour ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

LieAnn?  Uh, I don't care for it, honestly.  Not cuz it's not true.  It absolutely is true & it fits her to a tee.  When you think about it, Lu has been lying to us since the very second she first appeared on the show.  I just don't think it's an especially funny nickname.  And coming from Bethenny of all people -- who is every bit as much of a bullshitter as Lu is?  How about BetheLIAR?  No, it's not so funny either, but it says exactly who she is & goes right up against her "brutally honest" & "zero fucks" crapola she's trying so desperately to push at us.  Oh yeah, that's who she wants us to think she is -- when she's really the exact opposite.  BetheLIAR is a relentless bullsitter -- that's exactly who she is.

True. Put the con front and center - it works on a lot of people.

[film noire]

7 hours ago, LIMOM said:

How do you even start that convo?

It's also the world's worst tactic -- if any woman called to promise me she wasn't fucking my husband,  my first thought would be "Jesus, how did I not know she was fucking my husband?"

Edited September 2, 2016 by film noire

[ScoobieDoobs]

On 9/2/2016 at 2:41 AM, N. Bluth said:

Man, Bethenny could have played this differently. She would have looked better if she just outed herself for dating a "technically" married man at the beginning, and stuck to rolling her eyes anytime Luann wanted to call her a hypocrite or harken back to the Berkshires. Nothing's gonna save Bethenny at this point, but when your still-married boyfriend comes up, it's a better look to calmly state your truth once. Save the grandstanding and theatrics for when you have the high ground.

Production/Andy should never have allowed the phone call to the daughter to air. It made for bad TV. I don't need a faceless voice repeating Bethy's party line through a phone. If it's too distasteful to bring this daughter on the show so that viewers can gauge her credibility, then please leave her out of it. 

And, finally, Bethenny, please check yourself. You're grinning and lit up like a Christmas tree because your boyfriend's daughter said he wasn't cheating on her mom with you? Look at the bigger picture. A savvier person would not have outwardly treated that as a victory. A marriage is coming to an end. Pretend you have some respect for that.

Since Bethenny won't take my advice, I hope Luann does: when they come for you about Tom, just brush them off. 

You brought up my fav description of Bethenny's actions at this reunion, and in one word . . .  DISTASTEFUL.  Well, that could describe her behavior this whole season too.  I mean, the name-calling & slut-shaming is surely nauseating (at least to me).  But at its core, isn't it all so completely & thoroughly DISTASTEFUL?  Of course, in addition to being vile & evil & thoughtless & absolutely horrible.

The thing is, she never would have had to justify who she's dating -- if she'd been straight about this in the first place.  She went thru a whole season & NEVER mentioned she was seeing anyone specifically -- let alone EVER mentioning this clown's name.  Will she even mention his name thru next 2 eps of this reunion?  Uh, me doubts it.  And if she hadn't made such a big thing about Lu having sex with married men, well, then she wouldn't seem like such a big hypocrite & liar because she's doing the same exact thing.  Who in the fuckety fuck is she to judge Lu on this?  

Look, I think this is all beside the point & she never should have resorted to this lowball name-calling & slut-shaming.  Whatever her reasons were for doing it -- whether to entertain us & get Satan Andy his desperately sought-after ratings or to get revenge on Lu for trivial nonsense from a billion years ago.  Who cares why she did this shit?  She did it.  And sheesh, it was lowball & awful & disgusting & well . . .  DISTASTEFUL as hell!

So Carole, before you make me scream at my TV (yet again) to tell you to STFU, you may want to learn a thing or 2 about that disgusting character whose asshole you've decided to take up residence in.  Um, Carole, when describing any generalities about the behaviors of mothers & daughters, just keep in mind, Bethenny describes her mother as one of the "wolves" who raised her & hasn't had a relationship with her in over 20 years.  Oh, and Carole, this very much bears repeating for the next 2 eps of this reunion-

Edited September 3, 2016 by ScoobieDoobs

[zoeysmom]

5 hours ago, breezy424 said:

So, according to Beth, she has talked to Shield's wife three times in the past 27 years.  So, one of those times was Beth having drinks/dinner with Shields.  That leaves two.  Did Beth talk to Shields' wife when she and Dennis started their relationship?  No mention of that so I doubt it.  For a woman who declares over and over again that she gives no fucks, why did she feel obliged to make sure that Jill knew about her and Dennis being innocently together to have a time stamp when she she has talked to woman maybe twice in 27 years?  Makes no sense.  Funny part for me is that if Beth didn't lay into Lu about sleeping with married men and her whole tirade on Lu in the Berkshires, this wouldn't have been the big deal it's been made out to be.

Speaking of which, this whole not giving any fucks is the biggest sham.  Beth gives a fuck.  She's obsessed with it.  She gives a fuck about anyone who isn't on the Beth is the greatest train.  She gives a fuck about anything negatively said about her business or her.  She gives so much of a fuck, she called her boyfriend's daughter to somehow convince the world that there was nothing going on with Shields until December.  Sorry about using the word but it is what it is. 

I wish someone asked Beth when is her boyfriend going to file for divorce.  Because if the shoe was on the other foot, you know damn well that Beth would have asked it.  Demanded it.  And have a lot to say about it.

And once again, I really feel sorry for Bryn.  And I'm a bit scared for her having a mother like Beth. 

What Bethenny has not been able to explain is how she ended up at dinner with Dennis, since he was head over heels about her, it seems he sure thought it was a date.  Was she dining alone at the Polo and he joined her?  There had to be some back and forth going on between Bethenny and Dennis.  They don't have common business interests, her divorce was very public and she was available, so why the dinner, if not to pursue a friendship?  She seemed to only clear it with the wife only after some people from the neighborhood saw them.  The phone call to the wife was bizarre, I am still at a loss why married Dennis of 27 years, ran in the same circles as Bethenny and they were friends, but Bethenny had only spoken to his wife twice in 25 years.   The daughter calls Bethenny a family friend?  Does that mean Dennis ran around acting like a single guy? Had a social life that didn't include his wife but included single women?

Were Dennis and Jill Shields, the modern Trudy and Pete Campbell (Mad Men) where Dennis had a pied-a-terre in Manhattan to lay his head after long meetings?  Was the final blow when Jill (Trudy) discovered Dennis (Peter) found someone from the neighborhood to wine and dine?  (Bethenny said from the neighborhood-I am curious as to which neighborhood.)  History repeats itself with Bethenny she claims her first husband Sussman and she were best friends, and he relentlessly pursued her, dated him for two years, had her dad pop for a big Four Seasons wedding in LA, only to divorce him eight months later.

There is very little real about Bethenny -her story circa 2012- denying divorce rumors http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20615781,00.html  There are valid reasons for people to question Bethenny's integrity. 

[motorcitymom65]

1 hour ago, ScoobieDoobs said:

You brought my fav description of Bethenny's actions at this reunion, and in one word . . .  DISTASTEFUL.  Well, that could describe her behavior this whole season too.  I mean, the name-calling & slut-shaming is surely nauseating (at least to me).  But at its core, isn't it all so completely & thoroughly DISTASTEFUL?  Of course, in addition to being vile & evil & thoughtless & absolutely horrible.

The thing is, she never would have had to justify who she's dating -- if she'd been straight about this in the first place.  She went thru a whole season & NEVER mentioned she was seeing anyone specifically -- let alone EVER mentioning this clown's name.  Will she even mention his name thru next 2 eps of this reunion?  Uh, me doubts it.  And if she hadn't made such a big thing about Lu having sex with married men, well, then she wouldn't seem like such a big hypocrite & liar because she's doing the same exact thing.  Who in the fuckety fuck is she to judge Lu on this?  

Look, I think this is all beside the point & she never should have resorted to this lowball name-calling & slut-shaming.  Whatever her reasons were for doing it -- whether to entertain us & get Satan Andy his desperately sought-after ratings or to get revenge on Lu for trivial nonsense from a billion years ago.  Who cares why she did this shit?  She did it.  And sheesh, it was lowball & awful & disgusting & well . . .  DISTASTEFUL as hell!

So Carole, before you make me scream at my TV (yet again) to tell you to STFU, you may want to learn a thing or 2 about that disgusting character whose asshole you've decided to take up residence in.  Um, Carole, when describing any generalities about the behaviors of mothers & daughters, just keep in mind, Bethenny describes her mother as one of the "wolves" who raised her & hasn't had a relationship with her in over 20 years.  Oh, and Carole, this very much bears repeating for the next 2 eps of this reunion-

She did mention she was seeing someone. She told Carole about him. Said that she was surprised about her feelings. She even said she might have to rethink her whole "I will never get married again" deal. She actually talked on camera about the first time they ever spent any real time together. The night they stayed up talking until 4AM. She said she was seeing someone she had known for a long time in a different light. That was the episode when she told Sonja she wanted nothing to do with her. 

The thing is, we have no idea if there were any other conversations. Jules said she mentioned that she had said she called the wife when they were all together at her party, so she was clearly talking about him. Sure, she was coy about it because she didn't want to make a big thing out of something she thought might go no place. That doesn't mean she didn't mention being out with someone and it didn't make the edit. The conversation at her party didn't make the edit, so who knows what else didn't. 

[NetflixandChill]

I'm gonna share the biggest reason I think Bethenny and Shields had, at the very least, an emotional affair. She's way too intense about being accused of it. My dad happened to have an affair and marry the mistress. It's been nearly 20 years and she still is crazy touchy about all of it. We've all moved on and are fine with it all, no hard feelings for the affair. But she freaks out any time even the smallest comment is made alluding to the fact that she was once the mistress (it's not like any of us call her the mistress or make rude comments). The comments are seriously the most harmless basic crap that no one logically would take any offense to unless they felt they had something to prove. She'll be damn sure to pull you aside at a later date though to guilt trip the shit out of you for a comment you didn't think twice about, didn't think was bad or accusing or anything, and insist that we don't know the full story. We know the affair happened while my mom thought her husband was being faithful, but in her head it's all totally different. 

Basically, from my own experience, I'm calling a spade a spade and saying something shady went down before Shields' wife knew the marriage was over. You don't flip out to that degree unless you're trying to hide something. Maybe it was his daughter she called and the daughter really believes no affair happened, but stuff like that slips out over time. Comments start to be made that don't match the original timeline, and one day, the pieces just fall together. Or maybe she blames her mom for the failure of the marriage so she's dead certain that no affair went on. Who knows? All I know is, just because the daughter says an affair didn't happen, doesn't mean it didn't. It doesn't prove anything Bethenny thinks it does. Calling the wife though, that would've proven everything. If everything was on the up and up and she has known the wife since high school, surely she and the wife would still be cool, and okay to clear the air. Put her on speakerphone Bethenny, that's who I want to hear speak.

Edited September 2, 2016 by NetflixandChill

[mwell345]

Here's a tweet from the person who does not want to destroy anyone

 

[motorcitymom65]

12 hours ago, WireWrap said:

I would believe the wife.

 

I think some would be convinced, others never will. 

That's the thing though. If hearing from the wife is the most critical part, what are the chances that she has any interest in saving Beth or Dennis's ass? It doens't have to mean that she believes Beth had any part in her marriage breaking up; she could just not be in a good place with any of this. Who would want to see her private marital business slapped all over the media and on TV? Why should she have to divulge any private info about her marriage? Have to tell people that they had been considering separating for a long time, unhappy, etc. (assuming any of that is true). Because that is what people would want to hear. Listen to all the folks that are demanding to know exactly when they seperated, how old the daughter is, when they will file for divorce, etc. She didn't ask for any of this, and perhaps she doesn't want to be involved. Perhaps she has asked to be kept out of it and Beth and Dennis are trying to do this. 

Regarding the daughter - if folks don't believe her, I'm not sure what else there is to say. If someone had asked me before hand which opinion would be more valuable - that of the wife or that of the children (the daughter said she was speaking for her siblings), I would say the kids. They are the ones who will continue to have a relationship with their father and whatever woman he selects. That will be for life. They are content with the way things went down, or at least willing to make the public think that they are. This is powerful to me because it is the most important thing. How the kids feel. We have zero idea what the wife thinks about her marriage breaking up. Perhaps they were unhappy for a long time but she wanted to work on the marriage. Maybe she doesn't want to divorce.  Maybe none of that is true. The point is we don't know and won't unless she decides to talk, which will just make for more fodder and probabaly not convince that many Beth haters anyway. There are many who just want to believe that Beth broke up a marriage and nothing can be said to change that desire. The kids care about what people think of their father (which is wonderful - divorce is hard and I can imagine that they would be angry in many situations), and the wife just may not care what people think of him. 

[Beden]

19 hours ago, Duke2801 said:

20 hours ago, Beden said:

Lie-an?

Welcome to the kindergarten playground. I mean...please.

 

I mean, OK. But no less so than... BetheME, Methenny,, etc...and an endless slew of unflattering terms heaped upon Carole, Ramona, etc.  Not to mention the less-than-flattering nicknames for housewives of other franchises like Tamballs, Gramballs.

That wasn't actually meant as a particular dig at Bethenny (much as I dislike the nasty, self-involved bitch). It was a general comment on--as you mentioned--the childish and clearly meant to be insulting nicknames tagged onto the various cast members, most of which are thrown around by the opposing cast members. I personally thought that 'Jesusjugs' was especially nasty as not just a personal insult but also a dig at someone's religion as well from someone who claims to have found Jesus not long after.

Okay, I get it. These are just bad actresses playing parts for a stupid amount of money but, c'mon. If I wanted to wallow in grade school level interaction I'd go down to my local school and eavesdrop on recess. Maybe it's just me--YMMV--but I'm tired of this and have basically stopped watching all the versions.

'Still love the online snark, though...

[jkitty]

All I know is that if a friend or acquaintance called me out of the blue to say "I was at dinner with your husband but I am not fucking him and there is nothing going on between us," my first thought would be "so, you are totally fucking my husband."  Who does that?!

Edited September 2, 2016 by jkitty

[autumnh]

17 hours ago, Celia Rubenstein said:

I've never seen Odd Mom Out but I remember "Gunsmoke" and Carole's dress looked like something Miss Kitty would have worn.

I was thinking "Ma Ingalls"

[beesknees]

12 hours ago, WireWrap said:

So did Bethenny then call Jill to say, Hey, guess what, I am Fucking your husband now!, a month later? I don't believe her, I really don't. She knows that being exposed having a relationship with a married man can and will hurt her brand, so she is spinning as hard as she can to get us to believe otherwise. I don't know or care if she/Shields were together before that dinner or not and I don't believe she really called Jill.

ABSOLUTELY.  This!  And I've reached my lifetime quota in regard(s) to the "time stamp" term.  Bethenny's used that enough for the entire planet, collectively.  I don't even KNOW how one would go about phoning someone's ex (or soon-to-be ex) and saying "Hey, by the way, I know I've only spoken to you 2-3x over the past 27 years but I'm contacting you today just to make it clear I am not fucking your ex.  I just wanted to let you know because I'm creating my own time stamp .... "  GTFOH.  Odd.  Zero fucks to give indeed ;)

Does.not.pass.the.smell.test.for.me.  B's in total spin mode, scrambling (and rambling) to try and course correct in regards to her brand.  I don't want Bethenny back next season.  Carol's boring and has zero story line as well.  I want both of them to go.

Edited September 2, 2016 by beesknees

[eurekagirl mOo]

I'm only up to page 4 so forgive me but I had to say I don't care if Carols dress is Alexander McQueen or Steve McQueen or Butterfly McQueens that shit was ugly as hell. She looked like she was going to the ho down at Pa Ingalls barn! Just awful. And then the hair and the jewelry!!Yikes. That hair would have been nice with a beautifully tailored pants outfit (Like B's from last reunion) but it was TO MUCH. 

Can Carol even speak? Her only spoken words were to "protect" her buddy Beth. Pretty sure she can take care of herself without you throwing out "Bitch" No one's talking to you! STFU.

Count me in on thinking the married separated thing is just stupid. Of course separated people date! DUH....

And Bethanny can STFU also with her slut shaming. Lu was absolutely correct. She's a 50 year old unmarried woman. She can do whatever she wants.

[pbutler111]

16 hours ago, film noire said:

There are daughters (and wives) who had no idea their fathers were deeply closeted, bigamists with other families, or even serial killers. Compared to that, not having the truthful details about your father's sex life seems more than credible.

She wasn't asked about her father's sex life. She was asked if she, or anyone in her family, believes that her parents' marriage ended because of Bethenny.  She said they didn't.  And, again, I'm pretty sure if his wife thought Bethenny had broken up her marriage, she'd have no problem saying so.

[KungFuBunny]

12 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Not buying it. Bethenny has never shown herself to be someone that worries about others getting the wrong impression of her. You know, Zero Fucks and all. LOL

Wirewrap you’ve discovered the origin

Bethenny and Dennis dining and they see some of Dennis’s neighbors

Bethenny scrolls down phone and hits dial on Jill

Jill: Hello?

Bethenny: Hi Jill?

Jill: OMG! Bawby…Bethenny is calling me!

Bethenny: Click….oops

Bethenny scrolls through contacts again and speed dials Jill

Jill: Hello?

Bethenny: Hi Jill? I just wanted to call you tell you…me and Dennis have had ZERO FUCKS

Jill: Click

Luanne at the reunion: Andy, I just want it to be known that I was a participant when Bethenny came up with Zero Fucks. Do you think I can get some royalties on T-Shirts, cups and notebooks with Zero Fucks? I need some cake because I’m getting Marrrriiiiieeeeed!!!!!

[shoegal]

I don't understand the idea that calling Jill Shields in the middle of the reunion is the better option.  It's weird for B to place a private phone call to Jill who is going through a separation/divorce with her husband, a woman she's known for 25 years on some level, and say 'hey, I know you and Dennis are going through a divorce and you are going to hear about Dennis and I being together, so I just want you to know from me that there was nothing going on before this' but it would be acceptable for B to call the woman during a taping of an episode of a reality show and demand that Jill verify when her husband left her and whether or not she believes her husband cheated on her.  Out of those two phone calls, I'm going to say the private one makes more sense but YMMV.

Again, I don't believe that Bethenny and Dennis were involved before the marriage of Dennis and Jill broke up because I don't believe that Bethenny would be screaming at LuAnn about sleeping with married men while she was having an affair with a married man (yes, I know, they are both legally married, and will be until the divorce decree is issued).....and I understand why women who are in the situation that Bethenny is in are so defensive.  There is a line and there is obviously a lot of judgement about which side of the line you are on.....it may be a razor thin line, but I understand the defensiveness and need to clarify. 

[KungFuBunny]

18 hours ago, ElDosEquis said:

I say we mount an escape plan and drive over to the compound to get her out and into a deprogramming program?

I don't think we'd need to help her escape. I doubt Warren Jeffs wifed her up. Besides I heard she was quite content in the stable with her oats and grain.

[Castina]

I don't think anyone is saying it is acceptable for Bethenny to call the daughter OR the wife during the taping of the reunion thereby dragging them into this conversation.  In fact the vast majority seem appalled she did this.  I think only B supporters are ok with it. 

What people are saying is they would be much more interested in the wife's take on the situation than the daughters.  That's not the same as wanting the wife on the show to discuss. 

[KungFuBunny]

18 hours ago, ElDosEquis said:

Well, I can see you have never had a relationship that borders on being 'inappropriate'.

There is no 'fuzzy line' when it comes to wanting to fuck a friend. You want to fuck them, no ? about it.
Yep, I have wanted to fuck most of the people I have known on my time on earth, but I wanted my relationships to be without hassle and the thought that they were unencumbered by people on the outside, looking in.

The whole key is knowing what is 'inappropriate' and keeping your hands to yourself, your dick/vagina in your pants and your dignity intact.

I'd never want to fuck a woman who has balls, can cuss better than I can and has plumbing that is all fucked up - I've got pride and I'd be dipped in shit if I was going to be seen with someone as manic as BF.

But, that is the way I roll.

I read too fast and thought you said keep your dingy intact

[Jextella]

30 minutes ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

Count me in on thinking the married separated thing is just stupid. Of course separated people date! DUH....

1

The Countess has her flaws and calling B out on this one is one.  

32 minutes ago, eurekagirl mOo said:

And Bethanny can STFU also with her slut shaming. Lu was absolutely correct. She's a 50 year old unmarried woman. She can do whatever she wants.

1

But, Bethenny's tune will change when she's 50+ and alone.  She'll likely shrivel up into a wrinkled more bitter person than she already is.  A better tack would be to take a nod from LuAnne and enjoy life.