S08.E21: Reunion Part 1

[motorcitymom65]

The thing is, at this point, is there anything that the daughter, the wife, or the man himself could say to convince many? If they wife says Beth wasn't seeing the guy before they seperated, folks will just say that the wife often doesn't know the husband is cheating. If the guy denies, it, well that is just to be expected. 

[QuinnM]

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The thing is, at this point, is there anything that the daughter, the wife, or the man himself could say to convince many? If they wife says Beth wasn't seeing the guy before they seperated, folks will just say that the wife often doesn't know the husband is cheating. If the guy denies, it, well that is just to be expected. 

And people think Bethenny is wicked.  This is what Luann did.  Good job Luann.  What a nasty piece of work she is.

[Castina]

Oh well.  If you lie down with dogs you will get up with fleas.  Disappointed the Queen of Clichés, Bethenny, didn't recognize that soon enough.

[shoegal]

1 hour ago, straightshooter said:

I'm with you on this, Shoegal.  Everything you said, PLUS just knowing that when I'm accused of something I didn't do, especially something so low class and hurtful, I FLIP the hell out.  I don't really stop flipping until I know I'm truly being believed.  

However, I also don't believe that there was NOTHING going on before they eventually did get down and dirty, whenever that might've been. 

Agree, this whole guilty because you protest too much rings hollow for me, I will go BSC on you if you accuse me of doing something I didn't do....if I'm guilty, I am more likely to just try to shut it down and move on.  Gloss over it and keep it moving.  If I'm innocent, oh HELL NO, we are going to do this!! 

Regarding something going on between B and Shields before they got together, obviously they do have history together although I do think it was just a friendship.  Maybe he did have feelings for Bethenny but it sounds like she had to be convinced.  I am seriously curious as to the timeline of when he moved out and the separation happened...was it early fall?  Close to Thanksgiving?  A week before the dinner??  Inquiring minds want to know!

[nexxie]

I don't much care if B's boyfriend was technically married when they started dating - but I would sure like to know what he sees in her (besides money)!

[tvfanatic13]

3 hours ago, film noire said:

"We accept the fact that we had to sacrifice a hellish twelve hours filming, a kind of detention, for whatever it was we did wrong.  But you see us as you want to see us -- in the simplest terms, in the most convenient definitions - but what we found out is that each one of us is a cokehead, a countess, a porn star, a fuck buddy,  a pistachio and a lunatic who thinks gay people make her happy. Does that answer your question?"

You are my world right now!!!!

[biakbiak]

34 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

And people think Bethenny is wicked.  This is what Luann did.  Good job Luann.  What a nasty piece of work she is.

I have disliked Bethenny long before she tangled with Lu and has everything to do with her words and actions.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, Castina said:

To change the subject from Bethenny and her adulterer for a moment because it's all getting a bit zzzzz are they any theories on why Sonja was sitting on the couch with Jules, Dorinda and Luann?  In my mind, from the series we just watched, Sonja jumped ship and crawled up B's ass so I'm a bit confused as to the couch arrangements.   Now I imagine the reason Carole wasn't sitting beside Bethenny is because Ramona was never going to sit at the dreaded END of the couch, that one is easy, but I am curious about Sonja's position.  

btw.. While I think Luann's inability to spell Bethenny is funny and probably indicative of her giving zero f**ks I don't think it is comparable to how she pronounces Sonja.  I think that is just a vowel issue for her and when she speaks freely that is the sound she makes, I have a similar problem with Sonja's name and it's not intentional.  It's just habit.  For me to say Sonja's name the way it is meant I need to see it spelled Sónja so that my brain recognizes it's meant to be a long O sound.  I had a friend named Adrianna and she pronounced it with a long A sound.  I had trouble saying the name that way and always said Aww-driawna.  Fortunately for me she liked the way it sounded better so it was never a big issue.  

Because Bethenny never forgave Sonja for TG or talking to Gloria Allred about suing Bethenny for freezing her out of filming. Even though Bethenny told Sonja all was forgiven, it wasn't and she only said that to get dirt on Tom/Luann to further hurt Luann. Then when filming ended, she no longer had use for Sonja anymore, so Sonja was relegated to the "other" couch. LOL

[WireWrap]

47 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

The thing is, at this point, is there anything that the daughter, the wife, or the man himself could say to convince many? If they wife says Beth wasn't seeing the guy before they seperated, folks will just say that the wife often doesn't know the husband is cheating. If the guy denies, it, well that is just to be expected. 

I would believe the wife.

37 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

And people think Bethenny is wicked.  This is what Luann did.  Good job Luann.  What a nasty piece of work she is.

Right or Wrong, Luann only did to Bethenny what Bethenny has been doing to her all season long. Maybe if Bethenny gets a taste of her own behavior, she will think before she tries to destroy another HW.  

[LilaFowler]

Bethenny is a truly horrible and psychotic creature. 

[msblossom]

I too thought that phone call to the daughter was gross. And just because the daughter corroborates Bethenny's timeline doesn't mean that there wasn't already an affair in the works prior.  

And then Bethenny with her need of a time stamp via phone call to the high school friend/estranged wife is a little strange. IDK, she seems to go out of her way to get the timeline shored up. 

[sasha206]

4 hours ago, Ellee said:

Or maybe the wife lit a candle when he left and said to leave her 50% at the door on the way out.  The rest will be negotiated by my attorney. 

Please, dear Lord, make the ex-wife a new cast member of RHONY!

[ElDosEquis]

I laughed about the "time stamp" story.

That reminds me of the mystery flicks where the kidnappers make the hostage hold up today's newspaper and take a photo.

No need to send out a photo if there is no crime being committed.

[nexxie]

Just now, ElDosEquis said:

I laughed about the "time stamp" story.

That reminds me of the mystery flicks where the kidnappers make the hostage hold up today's newspaper and take a photo.

No need to send out a photo if there is no crime being committed.

Really! Innocent people don't even think of this shit.

[sasha206]

4 hours ago, Ellee said:

Or maybe the wife lit a candle when he left and said to leave her 50% at the door on the way out.  The rest will be negotiated by my attorney. 

Please, dear Lord, make the ex-wife a new cast member of RHONY!

[SweetieDarling]

1 minute ago, sasha206 said:

Please, dear Lord, make the ex-wife a new cast member of RHONY!

YES!!!

 

We're already going to get screwed whoever wins this election, at least give us this...PLEASE?

[sasha206]

10 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Really! Innocent people don't even think of this shit.

Yes, that's where I am with this.  Why on earth would you feel the need to inform this woman that nothing happened?  Was she draped all over this guy and paps were  there?  Was she eye fucking him all night and others around the room noticed?  Because she apparently is a vengeful, untrusting person, did she think she had to make a premptive strike before this woman went to the press?  The need for a time stamp is certainly a very paranoid thought to have if you were only having dinner with someone you had no interest in.

Edited September 1, 2016 by sasha206

[mwell345]

3 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Yes, that's where I am with this.  Why on earth would you feel the need to inform this woman that nothing happened?  Was she draped all over this guy and paps were  there?  Was she eye fucking him all night and others around the room noticed?  Because she apparently is a vengeful, untrusting person, did she think she had to make a premptive strike before this woman went to the press?  The need for a time stamp is certainly a very paranoid thought to have if you were only having dinner with someone you had no interest in.

Yes, and if you were having an innocent dinner with the husband of a good friend, wouldn't the wife already know about it? Wouldn't the husband have mentioned he was having dinner with Bethenny that night for whatever reason?

[ElDosEquis]

Barbaric

Exaggerating

Troubled

Harridan

Evil

Nasty

Negative

Yellow Belly, Did I miss anything?

[straightshooter]

6 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Yes, that's where I am with this.  Why on earth would you feel the need to inform this woman that nothing happened?  Was she draped all over this guy and paps were  there?  Was she eye fucking him all night and others around the room noticed?  Because she apparently is a vengeful, untrusting person, did she think she had to make a premptive strike before this woman went to the press?  The need for a time stamp is certainly a very paranoid thought to have if you were only having dinner with someone you had no interest in.

Yep, sounds a lot like "planning" to me.

[mwell345]

2 hours ago, straightshooter said:

This article from February makes me think that Shields' marriage was really over some time ago.  Allegedly, a friend of his says that "he's had feelings for her for a long time....", which makes me think it's entirely possible that this is a much bigger deal to the audience than it is to anyone inside the situation.  I don't recall any big denials of any of what was said, and Bethenny herself told Carole (during the holidays) that he said he'd marry her in a minute, or something to that effect.  That's pretty quick, if they supposedly started dating in November.  There was some history there....even if it was just feelings.

http://pagesix.com/2016/02/21/is-bethenny-frankel-dating-a-married-man-or-not/

He apparently hasn't watched the show or he'd be rethinking that.

[Neurochick]

How do we really know that was BetheME's boyfriend's daughter?  It could have been one of BetheME's poor worker bees that slave for her.

BetheME needs to STUF about calling Luann a slut; B's got a daughter and kids are cruel these days.  What would happen if, when her daughter grows up, a bunch of kids bully her, call HER a slut, tell HER, "you fuck everybody!"  How would B feel then?

I know this is nasty, but B needs to be taken down.  I wish one of those women would look her dead in the face and say, "you're such a witch, no wonder your own mother never wanted you; I wouldn't have wanted a daughter like you either."

Luann was right, the witch is evil.

[Castina]

I think telling Bethenny she was a terrible evil person was exactly right.  Adding "no wonder your mother never wanted you" is something Bethenny would say, classless and below the belt.  Stooping to that level is what Bethenny wants because you then give her a soundbite she will zoom in on and manipulate.  But by just saying terrible and evil Luann, imo, played it right.  

[ElDosEquis]

I call "pocos huevos" on Beffy's fuck boy.

Damn,  the days of men taking the wheel and stepping up for their women has gone by the wayside.

I wonder if the money came out of his pocket - the communal pocket - he is still married, ain't he.

I am positive that people who don't see anything wrong with that would keep quiet if it happened to them?

That fucker has no shame buying and engagement ring, while married and if he didn't call her on putting it out there with photos?

It means he is a man of Great Integrity, Depth and Honesty.

Edited September 2, 2016 by ElDosEquis
Too many vowels, vanna!

[zoeysmom]

3 hours ago, Sonoma said:

All I took away from this reunion is that I don't care how much of a slut-shamer Bettheanye is , how bitchy Carole is, how coked up Dorinda is, how sick Jules is, how crazy Sonja is, nor how insane Ramona is--  Luann is thee biggest lying liar who lies of them all and has become the most pathetic housewife with her desperate attempts to deflect from how low she has sunk with this sad engagement to Tom.  I'm not saying none of the others lie and I think Bethannyea is a shrew, but I will still take her and the others over Luann any day.  Which is a shame, because she used to be one of favorites, then started to fade with her twitchy nonsense, and now completely lost me with this Tom garbage.

Bethenny, Carole, Ramona and sometimes Sonja are mad at Luann for forgiving her fiancé for a public make out session.  Yet Bethenny who claims she will kill to protect her business "forgave" Sonja for her Tipsy Girl indiscretion, forgave Ramona for stealing from her.  Why is Bethenny's forgiveness divine and Luann's dastardly and stupid?

To me the oddness, is the some of the others (don't know about Dorinda or Jules) are angry, disgusted with Luann for forgiving Tom and most of all not following their advice.  I would think after the John/Dorinda debacle it should be pretty clear these ladies don't want to hear anything negative about their relationships and they will defend-even Ramona to the until the death of the relationship. 

I don't believe Luann is deflecting, I think she is going up against the all powerful Bethenny and illustrating-without cursing or name calling that not everything is black and white.  Bethenny made the accusations with very little fact about Luann's liason in T&C , and Luann's were t least based on public records and press, that went without a viable denial by Bethenny or her married boyfriend.   I must say if this is the "unhinged", "going gangsta" behavior at the Reunion Bethenny is talking about, I see little difference in what we have seen most of the season from her.  She name calls, she swear, she berates.   She was mad at Luann in the Berkshires because she didn't check in with Ramona first before dating Tom.  I guess I don't get why any of these women are vested in the another' relationship.  Only think I can think of is it might possibly have an effect on screen time.  If they have a husband/boyfriend willing to film, the RH with the husband may be up for scenes with the husband instead of a berating by Bethenny.

14 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

Barbaric

Exaggerating

Troubled

Harridan

Evil

Nasty

Negative

Yellow Belly, Did I miss anything?

Well if you misspelled her name like Luann did you would have to substitute asshole for evil.

[shoegal]

10 minutes ago, mwell345 said:

Yes, and if you were having an innocent dinner with the husband of a good friend, wouldn't the wife already know about it? Wouldn't the husband have mentioned he was having dinner with Bethenny that night for whatever reason?

The dinner happened after the separation, but it sounds like maybe shortly after, so B was concerned that it would look like more than it was, I can understand that. It's a sticky situation. Husband and wife separate, husband is seen out with longtime friend. Even if they are just friends, it could look to the wife like the friend was involved. If you call to deny, it looks suspect. If you don't say anything, its looks suspect. I guess out of those options, B chose to at least try and reassure the estranged wife. 

[Neurochick]

14 minutes ago, Castina said:

I think telling Bethenny she was a terrible evil person was exactly right.  Adding "no wonder your mother never wanted you" is something Bethenny would say, classless and below the belt.  Stooping to that level is what Bethenny wants because you then give her a soundbite she will zoom in on and manipulate.  But by just saying terrible and evil Luann, imo, played it right.  

I think if someone said what I said about BetheME, that would shut her up for a very long time.  You see no one dares to say anything to the powerful B, she thinks everybody should bow down to her.  I bet no one has ever said something like, "no wonder your own mother never wanted you."  That would give the witch a taste of her own medicine.  The thing is, it's not what you say, it's how you say it; you don't jump up and down and scream, which is what BetheME does, you lean over and say it to her real sweetly, and real calmly; and watch the woman go insane.

And I wouldn't be surprised if her daughter already hates her, I know I would if I was her daughter; I mean who wants an evil, wicked witch for a mother.

[SweetieDarling]

7 minutes ago, shoegal said:

The dinner happened after the separation, but it sounds like maybe shortly after, so B was concerned that it would look like more than it was, I can understand that. It's a sticky situation. Husband and wife separate, husband is seen out with longtime friend. Even if they are just friends, it could look to the wife like the friend was involved. If you call to deny, it looks suspect. If you don't say anything, its looks suspect. I guess out of those options, B chose to at least try and reassure the estranged wife. 

Still, I don't think I would want to "time stamp" it.  He could have called his soon-to-be ex-wife the next day and said, "Hey, you'll never guess who I ran into last night"... and she, the same. The whole "I called her to time stamp it"  is just seedy, imo.

[Adiba]

6 minutes ago, shoegal said:

The dinner happened after the separation, but it sounds like maybe shortly after, so B was concerned that it would look like more than it was, I can understand that. It's a sticky situation. Husband and wife separate, husband is seen out with longtime friend. Even if they are just friends, it could look to the wife like the friend was involved. If you call to deny, it looks suspect. If you don't say anything, its looks suspect. I guess out of those options, B chose to at least try and reassure the estranged wife. 

The thing is, we've gotten different stories as to whether Mrs. Shields was a " good friend" or just someone that B. went to school with and hadn't hardly seen in 27 years. If it is the former, then B. should have said something perhaps earlier, if it's the latter, it seems silly, and almost like protesting too much. At any rate, it is my opinion that even if a full- blown affair was not taking place, the emotional affair had already begun. I'm sure Beth has had dinner, drinks, or happens to meet people out and about in her social circle and does not feel the need to call their exes, or current significant others to explain that it was innocent-- it was a cya moment for whatever reason, imo.

[Jextella]

Dorinda seems to be on auto-pilot 99% of the time ... she doesn't seem to touch ground....kind of as if she floats above the fray in a world that is her own. Drugs would explain this.  They would also explain her outbursts the other 1% of the time - and they would explain why she dates a guy like John.  If true, I'd guess they are drug buddies more than anything else.  

[straightshooter]

31 minutes ago, Neurochick said:

How do we really know that was BetheME's boyfriend's daughter?  It could have been one of BetheME's poor worker bees that slave for her.

BetheME needs to STUF about calling Luann a slut; B's got a daughter and kids are cruel these days.  What would happen if, when her daughter grows up, a bunch of kids bully her, call HER a slut, tell HER, "you fuck everybody!"  How would B feel then?

I know this is nasty, but B needs to be taken down.  I wish one of those women would look her dead in the face and say, "you're such a witch, no wonder your own mother never wanted you; I wouldn't have wanted a daughter like you either."

Luann was right, the witch is evil.

She wouldn't think twice about saying that to someone else.   

[sasha206]

32 minutes ago, shoegal said:

The dinner happened after the separation, but it sounds like maybe shortly after, so B was concerned that it would look like more than it was, I can understand that. It's a sticky situation. Husband and wife separate, husband is seen out with longtime friend. Even if they are just friends, it could look to the wife like the friend was involved. If you call to deny, it looks suspect. If you don't say anything, its looks suspect. I guess out of those options, B chose to at least try and reassure the estranged wife. 

And have a time stamp.  We must not forget the all important time stamp.  That said, if they were newly separated at the time, why would the wife even care?  Obviously, you can date while you're separated.  By then it's really just a legal process (although I know some folks do stick it out) that unless, you're Bethenny, can be a realitively quick thing to do.

By reading the press articles, she and Dennis have known each other for 27 years.  So clearly, they've been friends a very long time. This makes needing a "time stamp" and a phone call to the wife even more strange to me.  If I've been friends with someone for 27 years, threw birthday party for him, seemingly the wife would know me pretty well by now.  I doubt hearing there was a dinner out after getting separated, she'd give it another thought.

I do get what you are saying, but I just don't buy what Beth is selling.  

Edited September 2, 2016 by sasha206

[shoegal]

7 minutes ago, AnitaKnight said:

Still, I don't think I would want to "time stamp" it.  He could have called his soon-to-be ex-wife the next day and said, "Hey, you'll never guess who I ran into last night"... and she, the same. The whole "I called her to time stamp it"  is just seedy, imo.

 

2 minutes ago, Adiba said:

The thing is, we've gotten different stories as to whether Mrs. Shields was a " good friend" or just someone that B. went to school with and hadn't hardly seen in 27 years. If it is the former, then B. should have said something perhaps earlier, if it's the latter, it seems silly, and almost like protesting too much. At any rate, it is my opinion that even if a full- blown affair was not taking place, the emotional affair had already begun. I'm sure Beth has had dinner, drinks, or happens to meet people out and about in her social circle and does not feel the need to call their exes, or current significant others to explain that it was innocent-- it was a cya moment for whatever reason, imo.

From what it sounds like to me, it was not an innocent date from his point of view. B discusses an "unexpected" date with someone she's known for a long time that she was out with until 4 am. There are reports that he has "had feelings" for B for a while, and Bethenny says she wasn't sure she was interested when the diner in question happened. It wasn't until a month later that it sounds like she decided to go forward with dating. So, if B knew Dennis was interested in her at that dinner, I can see why she would want to "time stamp" and let the wife know that things haven't been going on before this time. Friendship, yes. Fucking, no.

[straightshooter]

13 minutes ago, AnitaKnight said:

Still, I don't think I would want to "time stamp" it.  He could have called his soon-to-be ex-wife the next day and said, "Hey, you'll never guess who I ran into last night"... and she, the same. The whole "I called her to time stamp it"  is just seedy, imo.

Yup, the act of "time-stamping" implies that there is going to be a timeline....

Edited September 2, 2016 by straightshooter

[shoegal]

1 minute ago, straightshooter said:

Yup, the act of "time-stamping" implies that there is going to be a timeline....

Or it's a term that comes in handy in hindsight. There is a time stamp.

[WireWrap]

17 minutes ago, shoegal said:

The dinner happened after the separation, but it sounds like maybe shortly after, so B was concerned that it would look like more than it was, I can understand that. It's a sticky situation. Husband and wife separate, husband is seen out with longtime friend. Even if they are just friends, it could look to the wife like the friend was involved. If you call to deny, it looks suspect. If you don't say anything, its looks suspect. I guess out of those options, B chose to at least try and reassure the estranged wife. 

First, we really don't know if the Shields were separated when he/Bethenny had that dinner out. Second, Bethenny has made the claim that she and Jill are not friends and that she has only seen Jill 3 times in 20 years, so there is no need for her to give a non-friend a heads up about a dinner in public restaurant. Which begs the question, did she really call Jill or is she lying to cover up the fact that they were involved with each other earlier than she wants us to believe.

[shoegal]

1 minute ago, WireWrap said:

First, we really don't know if the Shields were separated when he/Bethenny had that dinner out. Second, Bethenny has made the claim that she and Jill are not friends and that she has only seen Jill 3 times in 20 years, so there is no need for her to give a non-friend a heads up about a dinner in public restaurant. Which begs the question, did she really call Jill or is she lying to cover up the fact that they were involved with each other earlier than she wants us to believe.

Bethenny says her motivation for the call is that Dennis/Jill are getting divorced, so that implies a separation. 

[sasha206]

4 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Bethenny says her motivation for the call is that Dennis/Jill are getting divorced, so that implies a separation. 

"Even though I've been friends with Dennis for 27 years and once threw a birthday party for him, I thought I'd let you know NOTHING HAPPENED on our date.  Even though you're separated and getting a divorce and you likely don't even care since you're already done with his ass, it was only a date for him, not me. It's going to take another month to be totally convinced we should start boning each other.  So in case you're wondering, even though you obviously know we've been close friends for 27 years and that he has had feelings for me for a long time (well, that's what my publicist is going to say), I didn't start boning him until after this phone call.  Capiche?"

[film noire]

1 hour ago, WireWrap said:

I would believe the wife.

I'm not sure I would-- many mothers would lie to save their kids (and themselves) from the seedy, endless gossip a "they were cheating" revelation would bring.

Edited September 2, 2016 by film noire

[WireWrap]

Dorinda's blog is up and she goes in on Sonja! http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/dorinda-medley/dorinda-medley-sonja-is-not-my

[straightshooter]

12 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Or it's a term that comes in handy in hindsight. There is a time stamp.

True.  I was struck while watching by the way she said it, though - it sounded as if she was consciously and purposely going for that time stamp at the time of the call.

(Please correct me if I'm wrong, because I very well could be) 

[shoegal]

1 minute ago, sasha206 said:

"Even though I've been friends with Dennis for 27 years and once threw a birthday party for him, I thought I'd let you know NOTHING HAPPENED on our date.  Even though you're separated and getting a divorce and you likely don't even care since you're already done with his ass, it was only a date for him, not me. It's going to take another month to be totally convinced we should start boning each other.  So in case you're wondering, even though you obviously know we've been close friends for 27 years and that he has had feelings for me for a long time (well, that's what my publicist is going to say), I didn't start boning him until after this phone call.  Capiche?"

Or "hey, just to let you know, the reason your husband left is not because he's fucking me". I can see plenty of women who would like to clarify that they aren't a 'husband stealer'. I can see the argument that it's not like she waited until the body was cold, but I understand the impulse to clarify what side of the line you are on. Obviously it was important to LuAnn. 

[WireWrap]

12 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Bethenny says her motivation for the call is that Dennis/Jill are getting divorced, so that implies a separation. 

According to Bethenny and Bethenny only. If the Shields were really separated, Bethenny not being friends with his wife, there is no need for her to call Jill, at all. Bethenny is doing her spin act and nothing more IMO.

[sasha206]

1 minute ago, shoegal said:

Or "hey, just to let you know, the reason your husband left is not because he's fucking me". I can see plenty of women who would like to clarify that they aren't a 'husband stealer'. I can see the argument that it's not like she waited until the body was cold, but I understand the impulse to clarify what side of the line you are on. Obviously it was important to LuAnn. 

I do get where you are coming from, so I hope you didn't take my post as ribbing you.  

[WireWrap]

1 minute ago, shoegal said:

Or "hey, just to let you know, the reason your husband left is not because he's fucking me". I can see plenty of women who would like to clarify that they aren't a 'husband stealer'. I can see the argument that it's not like she waited until the body was cold, but I understand the impulse to clarify what side of the line you are on. Obviously it was important to LuAnn. 

Why though? Bethenny claims she and Jill were never friends, so why worry about what some soon to be ex wife thinks? Spin, Spin, Spin. LOL

[shoegal]

Just now, WireWrap said:

According to Bethenny and Bethenny only. If the Shields were really separated, Bethenny not being friends with his wife, there is no need for her to call Jill, at all. Bethenny is doing her spin act and nothing more IMO.

Bethenny knows the wife, and there is reason to call and clarify if she did not want Jill to get the wrong impression.

[LIMOM]

What is the origin of the term "time stamp'?

I have to say so far Beth earned that pay check and more.

4 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Dorinda's blog is up and she goes in on Sonja! http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/dorinda-medley/dorinda-medley-sonja-is-not-my

It is sad that Sonja spends her time cooped up in her townhouse and while I think that Dorinda is likable and down to earth, it is a bit low to attack Sonja who is obviously not in touch with reality.

[shoegal]

1 minute ago, WireWrap said:

Why though? Bethenny claims she and Jill were never friends, so why worry about what some soon to be ex wife thinks? Spin, Spin, Spin. LOL

I don't think you have to be friends with someone to want them to know you haven't been fucking their husband, or that you're not a husband stealer.

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Just now, shoegal said:

Bethenny knows the wife, and there is reason to call and clarify if she did not want Jill to get the wrong impression.

Not buying it. Bethenny has never shown herself to be someone that worries about others getting the wrong impression of her. You know, Zero Fucks and all. LOL

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Just now, shoegal said:

I don't think you have to be friends with someone to want them to know you haven't been fucking their husband, or that you're not a husband stealer.

How do you even start that convo?