S08.E21: Reunion Part 1

[shoegal]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

No it doesn't mean he was laid up for six months.  It means he had back surgery last July.  None of the published articles covering the Reunion indicate Dennis was laid up for six months or a year.  I believe the point of mentioning the back surgery was to refute Luann's claim Bethenny had been seeing him for a year.  It doesn't mean Bethenny wasn't seeing him before the back surgery. I would be surprised if a daughter knew most of her father's moves-doesn't she go to school or work? 

The thing is they didn't go public until June.  Bethenny when asked on WWHL said she was not dating and had a dry vagina, she denied seeing Dennis after the February article ran.  So it seems there was some maybe unnecessary cover up of what seems to be an on-going relationship.  It is the old hypocrisy of saying my life is an open book except when it isn't.

The daughter claimed that unless Bethenny was sneaking in the house, then no, nothing was going on because her dad had back surgery about a year ago.  Bethenny and Dennis started up in late November/early December.....so, I surmise that the daughter is saying that in the months leading up to that time, her father was recovering from back surgery and she knew where he was.....like he didn't leave the house much.  If not, there is no reason to even mention the back surgery and not seeing Bethenny sneak in and out of the house.

[shoegal]

8 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

The most telling reason there's something amiss here is the call to the wife.  There's absolutely no reason to call the wife to let her know nothing was going on unless there was something going on.  Me thinks Beth doth protest too much.  She was worried the ex would start talking to the press and was covering her tracks.  

I can see it being a courtesy, as in 'hey, I know you guys are separating/filing divorce and people have just seen us together, so it's going to get back to you, but I'm letting you know that we have nothing going on'......which would not have looked suspicious until a month later when ooops, now there IS something going on.  IBethenny says that she is discussing this at the caviar party on camera which was in November, so it seems like Bethenny was open about things as they were happening. 

[ElDosEquis]

1 hour ago, Neurochick said:

Both Carole and BetheME are ugly, inside and outside.  If I were a man, I wouldn't fuck either of them, not even with a plastic dick.

Plastic dick, My dog's dick, a cat's dick, My friend Dick, Dick Sergeant, Dick Trickle, Dick Nixon, Dick Clark, Dick Butkus, Dick Van Dyke......

FUCK IT, NO DICK. No Dick for a dried up, diseased vagina.

[sasha206]

3 minutes ago, shoegal said:

I can see it being a courtesy, as in 'hey, I know you guys are separating/filing divorce and people have just seen us together, so it's going to get back to you, but I'm letting you know that we have nothing going on'......which would not have looked suspicious until a month later when ooops, now there IS something going on.  IBethenny says that she is discussing this at the caviar party on camera which was in November, so it seems like Bethenny was open about things as they were happening. 

I rarely believe anyone who claims they were "only friends" and then ends up dating someone right after they separate.  But I'm cynical like that, kinda like how everyone did a big eyeroll when Jolie and Pitt claimed they were just friends before the divorce.   The fact that Beth called her only makes me even more skeptical.  People have dinner with other members of the opposite sex.  There's no reason to call the soon to be ex.  The only way I believe that there *wasn't* something going on is that Beth felt a strong attraction and knew she would pursue it later and this was a CYA, preemptive strike move.

She's a very calculating person.  I don't think she does anything simply out of the kindness of her heart.

Edited September 1, 2016 by sasha206

[jumper sage]

What the hell was Carole wearing?

[sasha206]

Meanwhile, remember the old Radziwill who seemed to be all about free love?  She falls in love with a younger man and now seems to be Puritanical.  And now she's even dressing like one with that Litlte House on the Prairie ensemble.  

[Castina]

14 minutes ago, shoegal said:

The daughter claimed that unless Bethenny was sneaking in the house, then no, nothing was going on because her dad had back surgery about a year ago.  Bethenny and Dennis started up in late November/early December.....so, I surmise that the daughter is saying that in the months leading up to that time, her father was recovering from back surgery and she knew where he was.....like he didn't leave the house much.  If not, there is no reason to even mention the back surgery and not seeing Bethenny sneak in and out of the house.

And in January she is telling Carole he wants to marry her and she is reconsidering her stance on never getting married again WHILE she is still trying to finalize her divorce with Jason?

The back surgery proves nothing other than he had back surgery.

[shoegal]

6 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

I rarely believe anyone who claims they were "only friends" and then ends up dating someone right after they separate.  But I'm cynical like that, kinda like how everyone did a big eyeroll when Jolie and Pitt claimed they were just friends before the divorce.   The fact that Beth called her only makes me even more skeptical.  People have dinner with other members of the opposite sex.  There's no reason to call the soon to be ex.  The only way I believe that there *wasn't* something going on is that Beth felt a strong attraction and knew she would pursue it later and this was a CYA, preemptive strike move.

She's a very calculating person.  I don't think she does anything simply out of the kindness of her heart.

I can see that, but I can also see the other side of knowing how something looks and wanting people (the soon to be ex wife) to know that what it looks like isn't true.  

2 minutes ago, Castina said:

And in January she is telling Carole he wants to marry her and she is reconsidering her stance on never getting married again WHILE she is still trying to finalize her divorce with Jason?

The back surgery proves nothing other than he had back surgery.

Not according to the daughter, which is the point.  I figure she knows as well as anyone. 

[ryebread]

17 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

The most telling reason there's something amiss here is the call to the wife.  There's absolutely no reason to call the wife to let her know nothing was going on unless there was something going on.  Me thinks Beth doth protest too much.  She was worried the ex would start talking to the press and was covering her tracks.  

I'm totally certain the wife appreciated that call. 

I'm sure after Bethenny assured her she wasn't boning her husband, she breathed a huge sigh of relief.  I rolled my eyes so far back into my head when Beth said that.  MmmmHmmm.  She thinks every one is stupid.  Why would she think Dennis' wife isn't stupid, too?

[jaync]

That call to the daughter was one of the most pathetic displays by a HW ever. And, it still didn't change the fact that Bethany was a legally married woman who screwed a legally married man. Which, can't be said about Luann and T&C guy (who, apparently is the only married man out of "everybody!" that Bethany - with her all-knowing powers - can cite).

Could that phone call also have been pre-recorded? I thought it was weird how the voice on the other end just kept spieling, even while Bethany was talking and jumping around.

Jules and Sonja looked the best of the bunch, hands down. Jules is just beautiful, and Sonja has been looking better than ever this season.

Carole looked like a sea amoeba.

Loved Sonja's crack about having trademarked "Slutty Girl". I think the Bag O' Bitterness was the only one who didn't laugh.

Edited September 1, 2016 by jaync

[mytmo]

Close your legs to married men!

[film noire]

3 hours ago, Castina said:

You believe Bethenny.  I don't believe a word from her regarding this situation.  If it looks like a fuck, walks like a fuck, quacks like a fuck, it's a fuck.  

Fixed that right up for you ;)

[sasha206]

2 minutes ago, shoegal said:

I can see that, but I can also see the other side of knowing how something looks and wanting people (the soon to be ex wife) to know that what it looks like isn't true.  

Not according to the daughter, which is the point.  I figure she knows as well as anyone. 

Absolutely.  I'm sure that's why Beth had her on speed dial.

But I think most people watching the way Beth reacted, the timeline, etc. probably assume that the daughter wants to think the best of her dad so of course, seh assumed nothing went on.

And of course, he could've been out for the count for a month, but I'll be the daughter has no idea the type of communications he might have had with Beth during that time.  You *CAN* have an emotional affair before you start the boning process.

[Yours Truly]

2 hours ago, Castina said:

Oh I'm sure. 

You and me both...! LOL! ;-)

[Ellee]

18 minutes ago, jumper sage said:

What the hell was Carole wearing?

giggling....we discussed that a bit yesterday.....KungFuBunny gave us the scoop on her dress.   All I can say is 'Who knew?'   I know I LOL'd with 'a doily that was chewed by a dog.'

I must really be out to lunch because I didn't even know there were dresses to wear to stand up in and dresses to wear to sit down in.   I forgot who explained that.  ROFL, and here I am thinking 'and all this time I bought things that were comfortable.'   Apparently I could never be one of the real housewives. :D :D :D

Edited September 1, 2016 by Ellee

[shoegal]

4 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Absolutely.  I'm sure that's why Beth had her on speed dial.

But I think most people watching the way Beth reacted, the timeline, etc. probably assume that the daughter wants to think the best of her dad so of course, seh assumed nothing went on.

And of course, he could've been out for the count for a month, but I'll be the daughter has no idea the type of communications he might have had with Beth during that time.  You *CAN* have an emotional affair before you start the boning process.

Sure, but until there is making out and/or fucking, I'm inclined to say that line is quite fuzzy, especially when there is already a friendship relationship involved.  I can also see how a long friendship might quickly develop into a romantic/dating relationship.

 

ETA:  To your other point, I think most people watching could also assume that if the daughter believes that her dad cheated on her mom with Bethenny, she would not be so kind to B and would have no problems stating such.  She surely would not humiliate her mom by saying "love you" to B.....if she had any kind of relationship with her own mother.

Edited September 1, 2016 by shoegal

[Giselle]

Dorinda "parties". If someone accused me of taking drugs and it was untrue I would be livid and looking for blood and hell would rain down. I don't by the way, don't understand it or why someone would do it.

[Yours Truly]

2 hours ago, pasdetrois said:

Well, it's obvious she encouraged it - she ended up entering into a relationship with him. He didn't hit her over the head and drag her into a cave - she participated willingly, instead of moving away from having the relationship. She had a choice.

Bwaaahhhhhh Hhaaaaaa haaaaa! Love it!

And so true!

[nexxie]

I agree with the others who said that Jules looked happy and healthy - hopefully her life will be better now, and she'll have more interesting storylines.

[slitz]

Question...does anyone actually know how old this daughter is that Bethenny called?  I've seen her referred to as an adult, as a teenager, a child, etc. so I'm just curious if anyone actually knows how old she is.

There is so much else I could say about this episode but others have done it far more eloquently than I have.  All I will say is that both Luann and Bethenny came off badly.  Neither of them "won" in their little showdown.

[Castina]

5 minutes ago, shoegal said:

I can see that, but I can also see the other side of knowing how something looks and wanting people (the soon to be ex wife) to know that what it looks like isn't true.  

Not according to the daughter, which is the point.  I figure she knows as well as anyone. 

The daughter knows what she was told.  That's all the daughter knows.  How many married men who cheat on their wives do it in front of their kids?

[sasha206]

So if Beth wanted to prove nothing was going on, why not call the wife on the reunion show?  I would've believed maybe nothikng happened if the wife co-opted the story rather than a daughter who wants to believe in her dad.

[ryebread]

2 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

And of course, he could've been out for the count for a month, but I'll be the daughter has no idea the type of communications he might have had with Beth during that time.  You *CAN* have an emotional affair before you start the boning process.

This was my thought as well.  It's a shame the daughter is privy to any of this.  Regardless of her age.  Which is something I want to know. How old is she?  Was she still living in the family home when her mom was helping her dad recover from back surgery, so that's how she knows Beth wasn't sneaking in the back door?  Is she an impressionable teenager who enjoys showing off the Yes Bar to her teen friends while Beth plies them with SkinnyShit and that's why she's so enamored of Beth?

The fact that I want to know anything about this bystander (and I'm probably not the only one) makes Bethenny and Dennis absolute a-holes for allowing her to be brought into this in the first place.  Ridiculous. That was a really bad call.  Literally.

[LIMOM]

3 minutes ago, Giselle said:

Dorinda "parties". If someone accused me of taking drugs and it was untrue I would be livid and looking for blood and hell would rain down. I don't by the way, don't understand it or why someone would do it.

Dorinda is independently wealthy and while she defended herself adequately imo what does she have to really lose?

So she might or might not indulge. This accusation does not really hurt her reputation nor her ability to pay her bills, why would she care?

[SweetieDarling]

2 minutes ago, Castina said:

The daughter knows what she was told.  That's all the daughter knows.  How many married men who cheat on their wives do it in front of their kids?

Or tell them the entire truth about the affair, for that matter?

[shoegal]

2 minutes ago, Castina said:

The daughter knows what she was told.  That's all the daughter knows.  How many married men who cheat on their wives do it in front of their kids?

That was where the surgery came in, from what I gathered the daughter was saying, her dad had back surgery before he and Bethenny started dating, so unless Bethenny was sneaking into their house they could not have been together.  I know if my dad is laid up from surgery, I would probably notice if he was bringing someone side piece over to bang.

[ElDosEquis]

A huge BOOM CHAKALAKKA to everyone who says that it's the 'Men's Fault' when they cheat?

You cannot fuck the willing and I am sure when you allow your SO/BF/Husband out and about?

Are you really you are ASSURED that he is gonna run back home, jump in your arms and plant a juicy kiss on your lips?

Nope he has been checking out tits, ass and how good that women looks compared to what they have at home.

Apparently mr fields don't have cable TV, commons sense or couth?

Yes, women have absolutely no blame in the equation!

Edited September 1, 2016 by ElDosEquis
My crotch itches.

[shoegal]

3 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

So if Beth wanted to prove nothing was going on, why not call the wife on the reunion show?  I would've believed maybe nothikng happened if the wife co-opted the story rather than a daughter who wants to believe in her dad.

Maybe the wife would not agree to the call, it's obvious to me that there was a plan in place and the daughter agreed beforehand.  Maybe the wife wants nothing to do with it. 

[ElDosEquis]

26 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Meanwhile, remember the old Radziwill who seemed to be all about free love?  She falls in love with a younger man and now seems to be Puritanical.  And now she's even dressing like one with that Litlte House on the Prairie ensemble.  

Little Horse on the Prairie?

[bosawks]

16 minutes ago, jaync said:

That call to the daughter was one of the most pathetic displays by a HW ever. And, it still didn't change the fact that Bethany was a legally married woman who screwed a legally married man. Which, can't be said about Luann and T&C guy (who, apparently is the only married man out of "everybody!" that Bethany - with her all-knowing powers - can cite).

Could that phone call also have been pre-recorded? I thought it was weird how the voice on the other end just kept spieling, even while Bethany was talking and jumping around.

Jules and Sonja looked the best of the bunch, hands down. Jules is just beautiful, and Sonja has been looking better than ever this season.

Carole looked like a sea amoeba.

Loved Sonja's crack about having trademarked "Slutty Girl". I think the Bag O' Bitterness was the only one who didn't laugh.

I guess we can stop wondering what Julie's been up to since she quit and moved to Pittsburgh.........

[Castina]

One more time.  The only thing that proves is he had surgery in July so probably couldn´t perform.  How does it prove they weren't together before the back surgery?  It proves nothing.

Let's get real here.  If ANY other woman on that couch, aside from the Victorian puritan that showed up last night, told the same story and timeline as Bethenny is doing BETHENNY would be the first person to call bullshit on them.

[LIMOM]

3 minutes ago, shoegal said:

That was where the surgery came in, from what I gathered the daughter was saying, her dad had back surgery before he and Bethenny started dating, so unless Bethenny was sneaking into their house they could not have been together.  I know if my dad is laid up from surgery, I would probably notice if he was bringing someone side piece over to bang.

Meh, since my dad is a dog, surgery or not he would probably be cyber sexing his side piece.  

[shoegal]

Just now, Castina said:

One more time.  The only thing that proves is he had surgery in July so probably couldn´t perform.  How does it prove they weren't together before the back surgery?  It proves nothing.

Let's get real here.  If ANY other woman on that couch, aside from the Victorian puritan that showed up last night, told the same story and timeline as Bethenny is doing BETHENNY would be the first person to call bullshit on them.

How does it prove they haven't been banging for 25 years?  The timeline in question seems to be when they got together, and if Dennis/Jill were separated.  I guess that B and Dennis could have been fucking for years before, decades even.....but regardless, the daughter seems to be saying that of the time in question, I knew where my dad was for this period of time.  Before that, B was just a friend, and in the time period leading up to B and Dennis getting together, this is what was happening. 

[film noire]

1 hour ago, zoeysmom said:

 

(12) Putting on airs being snobby or pretentious.

 

(13) Do not publicly and puritanically slut shame a woman for her past and present enjoyment of consensual sex while labeling her a plastic fuckdoll slutting whore  -- who sleeps with married men -- when you've got a soft core porn sex scene in your own past and have been not-so-secretly fucking a married man.

Edited September 1, 2016 by film noire

[sasha206]

2 minutes ago, Castina said:

One more time.  The only thing that proves is he had surgery in July so probably couldn´t perform.  How does it prove they weren't together before the back surgery?  It proves nothing.

Let's get real here.  If ANY other woman on that couch, aside from the Victorian puritan that showed up last night, told the same story and timeline as Bethenny is doing BETHENNY would be the first person to call bullshit on them.

AMEN.

The way Beth was screaming like acting like a lunatic while Lu sat cool, calm, and collected is all you need to know.  She's busted, guilty, and knows that SHE is the hypocrite.

And seriously, enough with the slut shaming Beth.  The "Lu fucked everyone in Manhattan" bullshit is disgusting.  Maybe Beth harbors angst against Lu because she knows men want to bed Lu money or no money.  

[film noire]

24 minutes ago, shoegal said:

her dad had back surgery before he and Bethenny started dating, so unless Bethenny was sneaking into their house they could not have been together. 

Eh, Bethenny showed us how handy she is with a phone.  It doesn't take the back of a Hercules to turn the phone on and watch your "lady" friend recreating her delightfully elegant soft porn scene for your amusement and pleasure. 

Edited September 1, 2016 by film noire
some call it phone sex, bethenny calls it time stamping!

[bosawks]

37 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Meanwhile, remember the old Radziwill who seemed to be all about free love?  She falls in love with a younger man and now seems to be Puritanical.  And now she's even dressing like one with that Litlte House on the Prairie ensemble.  

 

10 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

Little Horse on the Prairie?

Little Whore on the Prairie........

[Ellee]

15 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Maybe the wife would not agree to the call, it's obvious to me that there was a plan in place and the daughter agreed beforehand.  Maybe the wife wants nothing to do with it. 

Or maybe the wife lit a candle when he left and said to leave her 50% at the door on the way out.  The rest will be negotiated by my attorney. 

[ryebread]

Ramona:

"Gays make you feel good."

[ElDosEquis]

LOL, so is methenny's insta-sham account replete with "you go girl" messages about how wonderful the rantings and gesticulations were?

I can hardly wait until she goes off on Mister fields and he beats feet, I wonder what her spin on that is going to be and will he be able to call bryn to get her input on HIS next wife?

[Ki-in]

Another site says that Dennis "Panty" Shields has 2 daughters and the other one absolutely loathes Bethenny.   Bethenny hates her own mother so maybe that's why she and the kid get along

[ElDosEquis]

13 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Ramona:

"Gays make you feel good."

As opposed to "straight people make me feel sad?"

Only from the mind of the ramonster!

Edited September 1, 2016 by ElDosEquis
A joke, I say, a joke!

[KungFuBunny]

41 minutes ago, Ellee said:

giggling....we discussed that a bit yesterday.....KungFuBunny gave us the scoop on her dress.   All I can say is 'Who knew?'   I know I LOL'd with 'a doily that was chewed by a dog.'

I must really be out to lunch because I didn't even know there were dresses to wear to stand up in and dresses to wear to sit down in.   I forgot who explained that.  ROFL, and here I am thinking 'and all this time I bought things that were comfortable.'   Apparently I could never be one of the real housewives. :D :D :D

It’s not that the dress is only for standing up in…but that kind of dress is meant to be photographed with the wearer posing on a red carpet. Carole just doesn’t have the height and to me her face is not "youthful" enough and her personality is not “edgy” enough. If anything, Jules would have rocked the look better. The person I see wearing this is someone like Rihanna even though she is petite or Charlize Theron.

The dress is wearing Carole when it should be Carole wearing the dress.

After seeing Part 1 of the reunion as opposed to the still shot from yesterday, I thought give her a Unibrow and she could be one of the women of the FDLS.

[film noire]

59 minutes ago, jumper sage said:

What the hell was Carole wearing?

Her high horse.

[ElDosEquis]

1 minute ago, KungFuBunny said:

It’s not that the dress is only for standing up in…but that kind of dress is meant to be photographed with the wearer posing on a red carpet. Carole just doesn’t have the height and to me her face is not "youthful" enough and her personality is not “edgy” enough. If anything, Jules would have rocked the look better. The person I see wearing this is someone like Rihanna even though she is petite or Charlize Theron.

The dress is wearing Carole when it should be Carole wearing the dress.

After seeing Part 1 of the reunion as opposed to the still shot from yesterday, I thought give her a Unibrow and she could be one of the women of the FDLS.

I say we mount an escape plan and drive over to the compound to get her out and into a deprogramming program?

[WordsWordsWords]

A couple of thoughts.

I nearly didn't recognise Jules. She looks so much less bony! I'm guessing that the stress of being married to that pile of Crisco, Michael, kept her eating disorder in high gear, despite her best efforts. She seemed much more relaxed and less nervous as well. (I'll attribute that to the lack of Michael-ness as well.)

I don't know if Dorinda does drugs. I know she drinks too much -- and gets really out of control when she does. I've seen drug use up close and personal, unfortunately, and I've said from almost the first time I saw him that John shows all the signs.

I also don't think any of these woman has any claim to any sort of moral high ground. They're all pretty much on the same level, one way and another.  I'm still watching, though, so their delusions, pretensions, and general foolishness haven't turned me off or (even worse) bored me.

[Giselle]

37 minutes ago, LIMOM said:

Dorinda is independently wealthy and while she defended herself adequately imo what does she have to really lose?

So she might or might not indulge. This accusation does not really hurt her reputation nor her ability to pay her bills, why would she care?

Yes, she's rich enough not to care. In my opinion her words and mannerisms did not match someone who was denying an untrue accusation. YMMV.

[shoegal]

1 hour ago, Xcptnl said:

Long story short.  Lou made out or maybe slept with a married man.  Beth is making out and sleeping with a married man.  Beth is a hypocrite when she goes on about the T&C guy.  End of story.  

That's why I do believe Bethenny's timeline, because I don't for one second believe that Bethenny would open herself up by screaming at LuAnn, "What married man have I ever slept with??" if she were or had been having an affair with some guy.  I just don't see Bethenny being sloppy and opening herself up to someone piping in "Ummmm, Dennis Shields??".  Now, of course, she is open to the criticism (although the whole "they aren't divorced yet" thing seems like a lot of hair splitting, but I get it on a technicality).....but then, I fully believe her dating/romantic relationship with Dennis hadn't started because she screamed that with such conviction and seemingly no fear that anyone would out her.  I just don't see Bethenny taking that chance.

Edited September 1, 2016 by shoegal

[Duke2801]

1 hour ago, nexxie said:

THIS is what a narcissist looks like when her fragile, made-up persona is threatened - like a cornered and vicious animal.

It's funny that when that episode - from which that particular gif was taken - aired (aka Scary Island), the majority of viewers were applauding Bethenny for shutting Kelly Jelly (Beans) down. I know I was...   Of course, she's really hardened a lot since then.  IDK why but it reminds me of that quote from Scrubs:

Quote

 

Molly: Perry, no one's pure evil! I mean, yeah, some people have a hard outer shell, but inside, everybody has a creamy center.

Dr. Cox: There are plenty of people here on this particular planet who are hard on the outside and hard on the inside.

Molly: So they'd have more of a nougaty center?

Dr. Cox: Lady, people aren't chocolates. D'you know what they are mostly? Bastards. Bastard-coated bastards with bastard filling

 

 

And YES 2 thumbs up to the poster to likened Carole's dress to Jill's fugly bridesmaid dress from Odd Mom Out. TOO right!! (that show kills  me, btw- love it)

[ElDosEquis]

49 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Sure, but until there is making out and/or fucking, I'm inclined to say that line is quite fuzzy, especially when there is already a friendship relationship involved.  I can also see how a long friendship might quickly develop into a romantic/dating relationship.

 

ETA:  To your other point, I think most people watching could also assume that if the daughter believes that her dad cheated on her mom with Bethenny, she would not be so kind to B and would have no problems stating such.  She surely would not humiliate her mom by saying "love you" to B.....if she had any kind of relationship with her own mother.

Well, I can see you have never had a relationship that borders on being 'inappropriate'.

There is no 'fuzzy line' when it comes to wanting to fuck a friend. You want to fuck them, no ? about it.
Yep, I have wanted to fuck most of the people I have known on my time on earth, but I wanted my relationships to be without hassle and the thought that they were unencumbered by people on the outside, looking in.

The whole key is knowing what is 'inappropriate' and keeping your hands to yourself, your dick/vagina in your pants and your dignity intact.

I'd never want to fuck a woman who has balls, can cuss better than I can and has plumbing that is all fucked up - I've got pride and I'd be dipped in shit if I was going to be seen with someone as manic as BF.

But, that is the way I roll.