Jill, Derick & the Kids: Moving On!!

[mimionthebeach]

2 hours ago, JoanArc said:

Jill's cooking does not need more brown.

It would be a change from the beige, no?

[Vaysh]

I don't get the purpose of the potatoes in this dish. Each person gets a whole large chicken breast but only 3/4 of a medium potato? Are the potatoes there as a vegetable and you're supposed to serve an extra dish, like rice or something on the side?

[Mollie]

13 hours ago, Fostersmom said:

450 degrees for 90 minutes? I like to make sure chicken is cooked, but holy damn. 

Another perspective:  Canned green beans, drained and no other liquid added, are baked in the oven at 450° for 1 1/2 hours. Do this and you, too, can have burn marks on green beans, just like in Jill's picture.  

[floridamom]

Sorry, but IMO there is nothing "EYE-talian" about that God-awful chicken dish. Yes, fresh potatoes and canned green beans do cook at a very different rate. 

[MargeGunderson]

11 hours ago, ThinkerBell said:

I've always thought this too. Jill likes being pregnant because it fulfills the only role she knows, but resents having to be a nurturing, emotionally invested mother. She seems to focus on the number of babies she might have instead of the two sweet boys she has right now.

Much like her mother. Jill comes by her attitude honestly, I guess.

[ginger90]

One positive about the video: Derick didn’t tickle either one of the boys for an extended period of time. I’ve seen people do that to children, and personally find it mean. My positive is for something he did not do. I’ve got nothing else.

[Jynnan tonnix]

13 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

One positive about the video: Derick didn’t tickle either one of the boys for an extended period of time. I’ve seen people do that to children, and personally find it mean. My positive is for something he did not do. I’ve got nothing else.

I noticed that as well - I was almost looking for it given that his interactions with them seemed just a little off from being spontaneous and natural. The boys were enjoying it, but there was still a slight sense that this was not exactly routine and they were waiting for the other shoe to fall, as it were. Maybe I'm just reading too much into it, though; that's always possible with these people.

I know that I am deathly ticklish...you don't even need to actually make contact before I start to squirm and panic. Just wiggle your fingers in the general direction of my middle. Mr Jyn used to do that to me, but did finally realize that just because I was laughing didn't mean I wasn't a second away from a major meltdown. I always feel as though I'm losing control if I get tickled. It feels like a literal panic response where I am likely to kick, scratch, bite, or do whatever I can to get away.

[toodles]

My first thought when I saw the food picture?  What IS that?   If she cooked that for 90 minutes at 450, it has to be really  tasteless.  And greasy.

Jilly honey, the Pioneer Woman is right up your alley.  Do yourself a favor and watch some episodes and check out her blog.  You have a lot in common.  She even made Cinnamon toast. Then find episodes of Good Eats and learn something about food.

Full disclosure. I don't watch the Pioneer Woman anymore.  The cupa and dumpa style is not for me.  But I love me some Good Eats.

Edited September 16, 2018 by toodles

[Totally]

18 hours ago, latetotheparty said:

What kind of moron gets kids that riled up right before bedtime? 

My husband ?

[Celia Rubenstein]

What I really don't like about Jill's chickN N beans N potatoes dish is that she has glopped the same packaged dressing mix all over everything. It should only be on the chicken in my opinion. I wouldn't want the beans and the potatoes and the chicken to all have the same taste. Leave the vegetables alone for goodness sakes! 

Did she suggest using sweet potatoes in this recipe? Sweet potatoes covered in Italian dressing herbs sounds really nasty to me.

[marypat57]

Perhaps Jill should brown the chicken in a bit of olive oil, then put it in the oven.  I'd add some sauteed onions (maybe wth some peppers and  mushrooms), with some white wine or chicken stock.  I would also roast the potatoes and other veggies separately in olive oil adding some fresh garlic.  If she insisted upon using the dry salad dressing mix, it could be sprinkled  LIGHTLY over the chichen.  

[BetyBee]

3 hours ago, Totally said:

My husband ?

Actually I think lots of Dads do this because that's how they play.  My (now 39 yo) daughter used to call it playing "montner (monster) games" and my kids loved it.  It often takes place at night because that's when Dad's home from work and dinner is over.  When it comes to the Dullards, I hope it is a regular thing, but I suspect that it's a rare occurrence for "#bestpapaever".  I just don't trust that guy.  Jill did encourage shutting it down with story time.  That's actually pretty normal too.  And I don't call much of what the Dullards do "normal"!  

[FairyDusted]

20 hours ago, ginger90 said:

New recipe post:

 

 

Easy Baked Italian Chicken ‘N Sides

Sep 15, 2018 | Recipes | 3 

My mother-in-law makes this meal frequently, especially when delivering a meal to a friend.  This past week I took meals to two friends of ours so this recipe came in super handy! It’s so simple and tastes delicious!

 

Makes one 9×13″ pan (4-6 servings)

4-6 chicken breasts (depending on size), boneless, skinless, thawed

3-4 potatoes, medium, (or equivalent small red potatoes), washed, cubed

2 cans green beans, or 2-3 cups fresh or frozen green beans

1/2 stick butter (1/4 cup), cut into slices

1 pkg. Italian dressing dry mix

 

Grease 9×13″ pan. Place thawed chicken in middle of pan. Place cubed potatoes to one side of pan and drained green beans to other side of pan. Dot everything with sliced butter. Sprinkle with seasoning package. Bake covered at 450 degrees for 60-90 min (for large chicken breasts), or at 350 for one hour (for small chicken breasts), until internal temperature of chicken reaches at least 160 degrees (doesn’t hurt to be a little over this!).

Note: you can easily substitute potatoes and green beans for other vegetables (e.g. carrots, sweet potatoes, fresh asparagus, etc.)

 

 

This is giving me nightmares! I was posting on Twitter with a handful a friends because we were all hungry and feeling lazy. Then this recipe and pic pops up. I comment that this is nor Italian or original. I didn't even mention the cooking time. I have no idea how this got into our feed but her followers CAME FOR ME! LOL! I had to mute their asses. I thought I was bagging on my friend and it was JILL! I may now have to leave twitter.

[queenanne]

29 minutes ago, BetyBee said:

Actually I think lots of Dads do this because that's how they play.  My (now 39 yo) daughter used to call it playing "montner (monster) games" and my kids loved it.  It often takes place at night because that's when Dad's home from work and dinner is over.  When it comes to the Dullards, I hope it is a regular thing, but I suspect that it's a rare occurrence for "#bestpapaever".  I just don't trust that guy.  Jill did encourage shutting it down with story time.  That's actually pretty normal too.  And I don't call much of what the Dullards do "normal"!  

Yeah, my father used to drum rapidly on the floor when he was crawling around after me, pretending he was "gaining on" me.  I adored it and shrieked with laughter.

[Fostersmom]

I've seen Jill's latest recipe in various forms all over FB for the past couple of months, just not looking so brown. It's either the Italian dressing mix or a ranch dressing packet. Neither of which is anything I would use, and most don't have canned beans or swimming in liquid end results. 

[ginger90]

Is Derick using a picture book?

[Guest]

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

Is Derick using a picture book?

Psalms with emojis, just as the good lord intended.

"Stay woke lmao #throwback" (Psalm 22:4-7)

[lascuba]

Chicken breasts are so lean that I don't think they should be cooked in the oven at all, let alone for that long. And I'm not one to criticize the healthiness or lack of in recipes, AS LONG AS THE FOOD LOOKS GOOD! That shit swimming in butter doesn't look at all appetizing. 

[cmr2014]

 

 

4 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

Rap541 posted this link over on the Roloff media thread,  it applies here too. Especially since Derick tweeted a derogatory comment about TLC programming. It’s kind of hard to snark on him about it. 

 

http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-signs-tlc-shows-have-gone-from-stupid-to-evil/

 Bringing this over from the media thread. 

I think that's Derick's really angry with TLC because he thinks they sold him a lemon. When Derick and Jill first got together, I bought their story that Derick didn't know much about the show -- I don't buy that anymore.

I think that Derick thought that TLC was going to fund his "missionary" lifestyle, and he was going to make piles of money and never have to work.

He also bought the "wholesome Christian family" story that TLC was selling and what he got was an emotionally damaged tween who eats in the bathroom and sleeps in her clothes. He discovered that she can't cook and doesn't clean. He discovered that the "woman" who wanted to be a missionary can't be away from her family for more than a few hours at a time. Then, he discovered that she had been molested by her brother and her "Christian" family had responded by covering the whole thing up.

There are reasons why most of us don't choose a spouse based on their representation on "reality" television. There are reasons why most of us spend time getting to know people and having private conversations with them about issues other than favorite Bible verses. I don't have any sympathy for Derick, and I think his anger is misplaced, but I think it's 99% about the Duggars and 1% about Jazz Jennings.

[Rabbittron]

2 hours ago, Fostersmom said:

I've seen Jill's latest recipe in various forms all over FB for the past couple of months, just not looking so brown. It's either the Italian dressing mix or a ranch dressing packet. Neither of which is anything I would use, and most don't have canned beans or swimming in liquid end results. 

I I have canned beans I love to eat them out of the can.

[Ohiopirate02]

16 minutes ago, lascuba said:

Chicken breasts are so lean that I don't think they should be cooked in the oven at all, let alone for that long. And I'm not one to criticize the healthiness or lack of in recipes, AS LONG AS THE FOOD LOOKS GOOD! That shit swimming in butter doesn't look at all appetizing. 

I can cook frozen chicken breast in less time than this recipe calls for.  Chicken, a little olive oil and some spices are done in 45-60 minutes.  

[Fostersmom]

I have no issues with canned beans, I have some in the cabinet now. But all of the FB copies of her recipe I've seen have used fresh or frozen beans. I wouldn't bake canned beans like she did. I can't picture the texture turning out well. 

[xwordfanatik]

9 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

I I have canned beans I love to eat them out of the can.

I've done the same, but I wouldn't use canned beans in a recipe that requires an oven.  I've gotten very used to fresh beans in the last year or two.  Chicken and potatoes cook a lot slower than even fresh beans, in my experience.  

2 minutes in the microwave heats up canned green beans, IMO.

It almost seems like Jill is goofing on her followers by posting these crazy recipes that don't make sense, but I don't think she has the sense of humor to do it.

[truthtalk2014]

I know this green bean crap recipe is snark worthy - but LOL I was looking at Jill's list of recipes on her blog (https://www.dillardfamily.com/category/recipes/)  and I have to say that the refreshing chicken salad is my favorite. https://www.dillardfamily.com/2018/05/refreshing-chicken-salad/

ETA:  I really love the 3-4 TBS of mayo for 12 ounces of chicken.  She says she really likes lemon- but I think she loves mayo even more. 

Don't you know she is hoping to get her own cooking show on UP?  

Edited September 16, 2018 by truthtalk2014

[BitterApple]

I guess a recipe needs measurements, but for things like chicken and tuna salad, I just eyeball it when it comes to the ingredients. I don't like it too goopy so I just add mayo in small spoonfuls until I get the consistency I want.

[FakeJoshDuggar]

That recipe was floating around Pinterest at least six years ago. 

[galaxychaser]

people in prison would not eat that. Looks awful and bland and over cooked.

[bythelake]

1 hour ago, truthtalk2014 said:

I know this green bean crap recipe is snark worthy - but LOL I was looking at Jill's list of recipes on her blog (https://www.dillardfamily.com/category/recipes/)  and I have to say that the refreshing chicken salad is my favorite. https://www.dillardfamily.com/2018/05/refreshing-chicken-salad/

ETA:  I really love the 3-4 TBS of mayo for 12 ounces of chicken.  She says she really likes lemon- but I think she loves mayo even more. 

Don't you know she is hoping to get her own cooking show on UP?  

But, she uses canned chicken! Nothing she makes is fresh. She could take a left over rubbery chicken breast cooked at 450, and use that for the chicken salad.

[Enya Face]

On 9/15/2018 at 2:52 PM, ginger90 said:

New recipe post:

 

 

Easy Baked Italian Chicken ‘N Sides

Sep 15, 2018 | Recipes | 3 

My mother-in-law makes this meal frequently, especially when delivering a meal to a friend.  This past week I took meals to two friends of ours so this recipe came in super handy! It’s so simple and tastes delicious!

 

Makes one 9×13″ pan (4-6 servings)

4-6 chicken breasts (depending on size), boneless, skinless, thawed

3-4 potatoes, medium, (or equivalent small red potatoes), washed, cubed

2 cans green beans, or 2-3 cups fresh or frozen green beans

1/2 stick butter (1/4 cup), cut into slices

1 pkg. Italian dressing dry mix

 

Grease 9×13″ pan. Place thawed chicken in middle of pan. Place cubed potatoes to one side of pan and drained green beans to other side of pan. Dot everything with sliced butter. Sprinkle with seasoning package. Bake covered at 450 degrees for 60-90 min (for large chicken breasts), or at 350 for one hour (for small chicken breasts), until internal temperature of chicken reaches at least 160 degrees (doesn’t hurt to be a little over this!).

Note: you can easily substitute potatoes and green beans for other vegetables (e.g. carrots, sweet potatoes, fresh asparagus, etc.)

 

 

Ok. Allow me to begin by saying that this shit looks absofuckinglutely FOUL. It has the color scheme of old, moldy kitchen grout. Canned green beans are mushy enough; an hour and a half at 450? They must be part of that gross butter/chicken fat/tears of a Duggar soup that everything is stagnating in. *retch* *shudder*

 

Jilly Muffin doesn’t have to be a chef. She doesn’t even have to try that hard. The other night I cubed a chicken breast and threw it in a skillet, tossed some rice into a pot and topped that 15 minute endeavor off with some store bought Masalaa simmer sauce. That shit was delicious. It was also not fucking hog fat beige and swampy. 

[BitterApple]

For the hell of it I Googled images of "Italian chicken potatoes green beans" and was shocked to find that most of what I saw didn't look too much better than Jill's. Personally, I'd omit the butter. It looks like it makes the dish soggy. The potatoes and chicken don't crisp, they just end up swimming in an inch of melted fat. 

[truthtalk2014]

I am curious if she makes IZ eat that crap.  Does she grind it up for Sam?  Does she pack a lunch for Deredick to take to law school classes?  

You know she packs a lunch for Deredick (I just love typing that).  I'm sure she transports it with the two children each day and they eat the recipe of the day mess in the car.  Oh the horrors!

[Nysha]

1 hour ago, FakeJoshDuggar said:

That recipe was floating around Pinterest at least six years ago. 

I've made this exact dinner, but I used fresh green beans and oregano, basil, salt, pepper, and garlic instead of the Italian dressing. Oh, and I only cooked it for 30 minutes instead of the 60 the Pinterest recipe called for because I Googled the baking times for all three. The beans and chicken needed 20-25 and the potatoes needed 30. I don't recall mine being so liquidy. However, it was very tasty.

About the wrestling with daddy video ~ I only watched the first few minutes but if wrestling is Israel's new favorite thing, why wasn't he wrestling back? Neither Israel nor Sam seemed to know how to react to Derick and neither seemed to initiate any physical actions.

Edited September 17, 2018 by Nysha

[Rabbittron]

On 9/14/2018 at 6:40 PM, BetyBee said:

 

As for Jill homeschooling those boys to surpass their peers?  No Way!  That will never happen.  Derrick gets a real education and doesn't allow his children to do the same?  Shame on him!

She might be able to teach better than the peers that they have because all her peers will be in their cousins.

[Nysha]

Given that Derick is happily participating in the recipe posting by allowing her to occasionally include his mug eating her monstrosities in the pictures and is boasting that she is willing to homeschool his kids, I wonder if he is as disappointed in her failings as we think he is. The way he is hopscotching through careers makes me think he is a "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence" person and is constantly disappointed when he finds out the awesome job/life he just signed up for is going to be as much real work as the one he just quit because it was too hard.

He and Jill seem to be pretty compatible to me. He gets his ego stroked by his wife who can't live without him for more than 30 minutes at a time and she has someone who isn't pushing her away because she's too clingy. Plus, they both totally suck as parents.

#SaveIsrael

[mynextmistake]

4 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

 

 

 Bringing this over from the media thread. 

I think that's Derick's really angry with TLC because he thinks they sold him a lemon. When Derick and Jill first got together, I bought their story that Derick didn't know much about the show -- I don't buy that anymore.

I think that Derick thought that TLC was going to fund his "missionary" lifestyle, and he was going to make piles of money and never have to work.

He also bought the "wholesome Christian family" story that TLC was selling and what he got was an emotionally damaged tween who eats in the bathroom and sleeps in her clothes. He discovered that she can't cook and doesn't clean. He discovered that the "woman" who wanted to be a missionary can't be away from her family for more than a few hours at a time. Then, he discovered that she had been molested by her brother and her "Christian" family had responded by covering the whole thing up.

There are reasons why most of us don't choose a spouse based on their representation on "reality" television. There are reasons why most of us spend time getting to know people and having private conversations with them about issues other than favorite Bible verses. I don't have any sympathy for Derick, and I think his anger is misplaced, but I think it's 99% about the Duggars and 1% about Jazz Jennings.

I used to be on the “Derick hates his life and Jill and is miserable” train but now i’m not so sure. 

If Derick is that miserable, there’s nothing stopping him from leaving Jill. Some people think he’s too religious, but he was raised ordinary conservative Christian, not Gothard or even just plain super-fundie. Hell, i imagine that any number of people in the Cross Church congregation have been divorced. He also attends a secular law school, where he could find support from fellow students who had been divorced themselves or grew up in divorced families. Their covenenant marriage doesn’t prohibit divorce, it just makes the process take longer. If he’s concerned about the boys (hahaha) he could easily get shared custody or even full custody, since there’s no way Jill isn’t moving back to the TTH and even in Arkansas I can’t imagine a judge being thrilled about kids being in close proximity to a child molester. 

Nope, i think Derick’s with Jill because he wants to be. I think he realizes he’s a mediocre student who will turn into a mediocre lawyer with mediocre looks and a terrible personality, and that no woman he considers an equal is going to look twice at him. Jill gives him a constant ego boost through her hero-worship. He can be as nastily passive-aggressive and snarky as he wants and she’s still going to be as devoted as a Labrador. Jill’s not bright enough to pose a challenge to his ego and when he’s in a really bad mood he can make himself feel better by bullying his kids while safe in the knowledge that she’ll never ever speak up about it. She’s been trained since childhood to be joyfully available and even mediocre sex on demand is better than he would ever do as a single man. 

I mean, people call Jeremy a Svengali who is only with Jinger because he needs the adulation, but he’s shown 100 times the love and affection for his wife and child than Derick ever has for his. I think Derick likes his life just fine. 

[cmr2014]

31 minutes ago, mynextmistake said:

I used to be on the “Derick hates his life and Jill and is miserable” train but now i’m not so sure. 

If Derick is that miserable, there’s nothing stopping him from leaving Jill. Some people think he’s too religious, but he was raised ordinary conservative Christian, not Gothard or even just plain super-fundie. Hell, i imagine that any number of people in the Cross Church congregation have been divorced. He also attends a secular law school, where he could find support from fellow students who had been divorced themselves or grew up in divorced families. Their covenenant marriage doesn’t prohibit divorce, it just makes the process take longer. If he’s concerned about the boys (hahaha) he could easily get shared custody or even full custody, since there’s no way Jill isn’t moving back to the TTH and even in Arkansas I can’t imagine a judge being thrilled about kids being in close proximity to a child molester. 

Nope, i think Derick’s with Jill because he wants to be. I think he realizes he’s a mediocre student who will turn into a mediocre lawyer with mediocre looks and a terrible personality, and that no woman he considers an equal is going to look twice at him. Jill gives him a constant ego boost through her hero-worship. He can be as nastily passive-aggressive and snarky as he wants and she’s still going to be as devoted as a Labrador. Jill’s not bright enough to pose a challenge to his ego and when he’s in a really bad mood he can make himself feel better by bullying his kids while safe in the knowledge that she’ll never ever speak up about it. She’s been trained since childhood to be joyfully available and even mediocre sex on demand is better than he would ever do as a single man. 

I mean, people call Jeremy a Svengali who is only with Jinger because he needs the adulation, but he’s shown 100 times the love and affection for his wife and child than Derick ever has for his. I think Derick likes his life just fine. 

I think you're 100% right, with the possible exception of the word "likes." I don't think he's a happy person, and I don't think he "likes" his life, but he has chosen it.

I still don't think it was what he envisioned. I think he watched the Duggars on TV and wanted to be part of a big, happy Christian family. He saw himself marrying a pretty, pious Christian girl who would have sex with him, and take care of him, and provide for him financially. Maybe if she (and her family) had been what he expected, they would have brought out the better part of his nature. What he got has brought out the worst -- although I don't think he had to dig deep to find it.

We've given Cathy a lot of credit over the years that has turned out to be undeserved, and we may have given Derick's father too much credit as well. Derick is arrogant, petty, and mean. He's passively-aggressively hostile to Jill, and -- at best -- indifferent to his own children. He may be an aberration, but he may also be the person he was raised to be. He showed up at the TTH for a reason -- we'll never know for sure what that was, and he may not know himself, either. He may have been looking for the love and acceptance that was missing from his life, or he may have been looking for a doormat spouse to shit all over.

[Christina87]

6 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

I think you're 100% right, with the possible exception of the word "likes." I don't think he's a happy person, and I don't think he "likes" his life, but he has chosen it.

I still don't think it was what he envisioned. I think he watched the Duggars on TV and wanted to be part of a big, happy Christian family. He saw himself marrying a pretty, pious Christian girl who would have sex with him, and take care of him, and provide for him financially. Maybe if she (and her family) had been what he expected, they would have brought out the better part of his nature. What he got has brought out the worst -- although I don't think he had to dig deep to find it.

We've given Cathy a lot of credit over the years that has turned out to be undeserved, and we may have given Derick's father too much credit as well. Derick is arrogant, petty, and mean. He's passively-aggressively hostile to Jill, and -- at best -- indifferent to his own children. He may be an aberration, but he may also be the person he was raised to be. He showed up at the TTH for a reason -- we'll never know for sure what that was, and he may not know himself, either. He may have been looking for the love and acceptance that was missing from his life, or he may have been looking for a doormat spouse to shit all over.

THIS ^^^^^^

I personally agree sooooo much that if life with the Duggars had been what Derick envisioned, it would have brought out the better part of his nature. We would still have first year of marriage Derick, not the sad sack we have today! He seemed pretty happy through the first part of his missioncation, when IMO things all fell apart. He seemed content with his life on that episode when Jessa and Bin visited, and I never thought that about him again after that episode, which I think was a season finale! Something definitely happened, and things went off the rails. 

[Trillium]

Derick and Jilly both have such an unearned and overinflated sense of self importance, that even if they are unhappy, I don’t think they’ll realize it has anything to do with them. It’s TLC/Liberals/The devil just trying to bring them down.  They both think they are totally #nailing life. Because Jesus.

Jesus will make sure Derick gets through law school with minimal effort, and get him a job a crusader against evil Liberal agendas. Jesus will make Jill an awesome teacher. I think they literally think God is a magic genie that will just make every fall into place because they Instagram themselves at church or highlighting their bibles. Any unhappiness they feel is just their faith being tested. Even if he flunks out of law school, it will be because Jesus didn’t want him to do that anymore. They honestly believe that of God wants Izzy and Sam to go to college, it will just happen. And if they don’t get it it’s because it’s “his will”, not because their barley literate mother couldn’t properly educate them. Their arrogance will never allow them to see anything that happens to them as their fault. 

[Rabbittron]

1 hour ago, Trillium said:

Derick and Jilly both have such an unearned and overinflated sense of self importance, that even if they are unhappy, I don’t think they’ll realize it has anything to do with them. It’s TLC/Liberals/The devil just trying to bring them down.  They both think they are totally #nailing life. Because Jesus.

Jesus will make sure Derick gets through law school with minimal effort, and get him a job a crusader against evil Liberal agendas. Jesus will make Jill an awesome teacher. I think they literally think God is a magic genie that will just make every fall into place because they Instagram themselves at church or highlighting their bibles. Any unhappiness they feel is just their faith being tested. Even if he flunks out of law school, it will be because Jesus didn’t want him to do that anymore. They honestly believe that of God wants Izzy and Sam to go to college, it will just happen. And if they don’t get it it’s because it’s “his will”, not because their barley literate mother couldn’t properly educate them. Their arrogance will never allow them to see anything that happens to them as their fault. 

Just remember that they're perfect and if things do not go their way it's because of the other people who were against them.

[JoanArc]

10 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

He may have been looking for the love and acceptance that was missing from his life, or he may have been looking for a doormat spouse to shit all over.

Porque no los dos? Don't forget children to simultaneously flaunt, devalue, and neglect.

[bigskygirl]

The million dollar question is would Deredick have turn to the Duggars if his dad was alive and healthy. I do not think we should be blaming his dad for the way he turn out. I put more of the blame on Cathy since she is one of his enablers. Jill uses Deredick also. She was so desperate for love and acceptance from someone so she was "in love" with the first man who gave her the time of day. She acts like a silly thirteen year old girl with her first crush. I also do not think Deredick was happy in their first year of marriage especially since Jill got pregnant so fast. I think his dad was a decent hard working family man. I do find it interesting how Cathy and Deredick keep saying his dad ended up in heaven after finding God before he died. Maybe his dad was not religious enough for him, and he felt "abused" because of it. JB is the same way when he comes to his dad because *gasp* daddy was not religious enough to suit him. Funny how the both of them abused their own children and turn out to be a couple of holier than thou narcissistic, narrow minded, hateful, arrogant bigots.

[Christina87]

I also find it interesting that Dan seems to be living a typical conservative Christian life...wife who works (or at least did before baby), no honeymoon baby, etc. I wonder if Derick expected his first year of marriage to be like Dan's, but instead ended up with Jill cling a long and an immediate pregnancy. I could see him being happy for JB's approval about the honeymoon baby, but I wonder if the marriage would have gotten off to a better start for him if Jill had been working as a real midwife, or at least studying for it to occupy her time while he worked, while they delayed kids and slowly got to know each other. Regardless of whether Derick would have been happier (and I believe he would), I'm sure their marriage would be a hell of a lot stronger had his happened!

i'm torn, though, because a lot of people think having a baby too soon will be awesome until it actually arrives! I think it's normal to some extent to idealize having a baby with your new partner, especially if you have never had sex before! My ex, who I dumped after almost two years because he never wanted marriage or children, talked constantly about babies in the beginning. Usually after, ummm, intimacy (sorry if TMI lol!) he would say something like, "your babies would be beautiful!" or "I wonder if we had a child someday, if it would look more like me or you," or even, "if we had a child, would you want a boy or a girl? What would you want to name it?" This is from someone who has been fairly certain his entire life that he never wants kids (though it's obvious why I was mislead about this for quite a while, haha!). I was his first real love, like Jill was for Derick, and it could be he loved the idea of doing what sex was ummm, kind of meant for with his first partner, but maybe regretted it before the pee stick was dry. I know my ex would have been HORRIFIED if I'd really gotten pregnant, but I think guys like the idea of having a baby with their super new love when it's just a daydream. 

Edited September 17, 2018 by Christina87

[Absolom]

I think Derick would have been much better off emotionally and maturity-wise waiting for at least five years before starting a family.  He would have had time to possibly find himself (he obviously hasn't yet) and to help Jill get some education if that was truly important to him.  I'm not sure Derick knows yet what is important to him, but I think the option would have helped him.

[galaxychaser]

I think Derek was a virgin when he married Jill.

[bythelake]

I am still of the opinion that Derick's attitude changed after the molestation was revealed. Did he feel that he didn't get the sweet, pure, Godly girl that JB touted? Did JB play down the facts , or not tell him at all?

Jill is the most emotionally fragile of all the married girls. Jessa is brazen, Joy is a tomboy, and Jinger has a husband who encourages her to try new things.

 We all saw how Jill acted in the Kelly interview. She was distraught. Maybe she's so clingy because she has memories of her brother's actions. Maybe, she needs the constant reassurance of a loving husband.

It doesn't seem that Derick fits the bill. Jill idolizes him,but Derick appears cold and distant with her and the boys. His IG posts of fallen women, and cheap shots at people who don't fit his idea of a Christian, show his true stripes. For such a young guy, he's a miserable, unhappy, mean person who appears to hold many grudges.

I don't think they will divorce, Derick would never have the nerve to stand up to JB,. He's consigned to his miserable life, and unless he changes his attitude, and sticks to his studies, nothing will ever change. (Yeah, fat chance)

I do feel sorry for Jill in a way. She's not smart, not educated, and not ambitious. I only hope that they don't have any more children. Neither one can cope with the two that they have.

[Natalie68]

On 9/14/2018 at 2:26 PM, farmgal4 said:

Are you kidding?  I’m probably going to catch some flak for saying this, but unless a child has some type of issue physically or mentally, that’s nothing more than lazy parenting, and it’s unacceptable.

You get no flak from me!  I don't know what the deal is with kids and why some do it quickly and some don't.  Not a parent but my niece was stubborn as all get out about the potty.  She is a smart girl but was nearly 4 when she agreed to do it.  My sister tried everything.  I had a friend call and pretend she was Barbie (my niece loved Barbie) to encourage her and while she was excited Barbie called her it didn't work.  What worked was a playdate with a friend.  The friends mom looked at my niece, said you look like you have to go potty, picked her up and plopped her on the toilet.  It worked.  I don't know why it took so long but I know my sister tried.  According to my mother, we all did it fairly early.

[doodlebug]

26 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

You get no flak from me!  I don't know what the deal is with kids and why some do it quickly and some don't.  Not a parent but my niece was stubborn as all get out about the potty.  She is a smart girl but was nearly 4 when she agreed to do it.  My sister tried everything.  I had a friend call and pretend she was Barbie (my niece loved Barbie) to encourage her and while she was excited Barbie called her it didn't work.  What worked was a playdate with a friend.  The friends mom looked at my niece, said you look like you have to go potty, picked her up and plopped her on the toilet.  It worked.  I don't know why it took so long but I know my sister tried.  According to my mother, we all did it fairly early.

Lots of kids are like this.  My sister had a package of Disney Princess underpants taped to the bathroom wall for months as an incentive for my niece.  What worked?  She was in a daycare that separated the toddlers based on whether they were potty trained.  When she got to the point where she was the oldest kid in her group and all of the other kids her age that she liked to play with were in the next room; she stopped using diapers overnight.

As for Izzy, he seems so anxious and worried all the time; I hope they're not pressuring him to use the potty if he's not ready.  Poor kid, I want to hug him and tell him it is ok.

[Natalie68]

On 9/15/2018 at 11:48 AM, graefin said:

Oh, yes! She's done the "quickly!" or "hurry up!" so many times now I've lost count. They're filming a video for social media, not rushing to catch a train, for fuck's sake. This puts it in a whole different light. Poor kid.

Yep, and at one point it looked like he let out a sigh (like of frustration or exasperation) and changed his physical stance, as if he were growing weary and merely tolerating Israel's silliness.

What terrible parents.

That makes me sad.  Kids can take a huge amount of time to do just about anything.  Dickhead looked really impatient and inconvenienced in that video.  Not dad like at all.  Heck, I don't even have any and I am more engaged with kids when I see them.  Kids do remember how they are treated.  For a very long time.

On 9/15/2018 at 12:04 PM, ginger90 said:

New blog post:

 

Israel and Samuel Enjoy Playtime with Papa

Sep 15, 2018 | Family Blog, Photos | 0 

Israel and Samuel always look forward to each evening when Papa (Derick) comes home and they eat supper then get to play for a little bit before bed! This video is from one of those recent play times. Israel’s favorite thing right now is to wrestle. 

 

 

Video:

 

Just think how much more these kids would get out of playtime if mom put down the GD phone, quit recording and engaged.  

[Natalie68]

On 9/15/2018 at 2:52 PM, ginger90 said:

New recipe post:

 

 

Easy Baked Italian Chicken ‘N Sides

Sep 15, 2018 | Recipes | 3 

My mother-in-law makes this meal frequently, especially when delivering a meal to a friend.  This past week I took meals to two friends of ours so this recipe came in super handy! It’s so simple and tastes delicious!

 

Makes one 9×13″ pan (4-6 servings)

4-6 chicken breasts (depending on size), boneless, skinless, thawed

3-4 potatoes, medium, (or equivalent small red potatoes), washed, cubed

2 cans green beans, or 2-3 cups fresh or frozen green beans

1/2 stick butter (1/4 cup), cut into slices

1 pkg. Italian dressing dry mix

 

Grease 9×13″ pan. Place thawed chicken in middle of pan. Place cubed potatoes to one side of pan and drained green beans to other side of pan. Dot everything with sliced butter. Sprinkle with seasoning package. Bake covered at 450 degrees for 60-90 min (for large chicken breasts), or at 350 for one hour (for small chicken breasts), until internal temperature of chicken reaches at least 160 degrees (doesn’t hurt to be a little over this!).

Note: you can easily substitute potatoes and green beans for other vegetables (e.g. carrots, sweet potatoes, fresh asparagus, etc.)

 

 

Not a bad concept but cooking green beans that long makes them look like that above.  Way too long and it makes them mushy.  She used canned and she should put the beans in very last minute.  Fresh maybe cook a bit longer.  60-90 min needs a harder veg.  I too can smell this thru the screen.  I *loathe* the smell of canned green beans.

[farmgal4]

13 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

That makes me sad.  Kids can take a huge amount of time to do just about anything.  Dickhead looked really impatient and inconvenienced in that video.  Not dad like at all.  Heck, I don't even have any and I am more engaged with kids when I see them.  Kids do remember how they are treated.  For a very long time.

Just think how much more these kids would get out of playtime if mom put down the GD phone, quit recording and engaged.  

What’s the real purpose of this nearly 8 minute video (and all the others)?  Auditioning for UP?