Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Tabbygirl521]

7 hours ago, Snow Fairy said:

If Josh ends up in jail, is it a possible scenario that JB finds Anna a bit of a blame for that? And that he wouldn't be so happy of her and the kids living with them?

 

Or is it just me and my weird feelings about the whole situation?

Their religion would tend to blame Anna. I don’t know if the kids would carry “the sins of the father” and be ostracized in any way. Their whole belief system is so crazy to me. People who won’t adopt because the child might carry “the sins of the father” seem capable of coming up with all kinds of BS to keep women and children down. 

[sue450]

On 7/3/2021 at 10:28 PM, lascuba said:

They hate it because they don't want the "undeserving" getting help, but I wouldn't be surprised if whatever property that's in Anna's name gets transferred to someone else so she could qualify for all matter of assistance. As for work, no way will any of them, but especially not Anna, work where the general public can see them. Walmart is out of the question for her. I'm guessing she'll work for JB in some capacity--homeschooling the kids, cleaning his properties, etc. 

yeah they transferred stuff into anna name at least a few years ago again covering josh's ass

Edited July 5, 2021 by sue450
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[WinnieWinkle]

4 hours ago, Tabbygirl521 said:

Their religion would tend to blame Anna.

I don't understand the way this religion works - would Anna be blamed no matter what the crime or is it only when the crime is in any way connected to sex?  Because it seems like a real reach to me, even for fundies, to blame a wife because the husband is getting his sick jollies watching children being molested!

 

[Quilt Fairy]

While his parents and a few siblings may cover for Anna, the kids, and to some degree Josh, I don't think Josh's crime is going to go over well in the fundy community at large, regardless of who they "blame".  I wouldn't be surprised if the Duggars become even more isolated than before.  There are some things JB's money won't buy. 

Assuming Josh is convicted (and I won't take that as a given until there's a guilty plea or verdict and sentence), I wonder how Anna is going to arrange to take all the kids to see Josh?  From what I read on their website, the Federal BOP tries to place offenders within 300 miles of their home.  They actually have quite a few facilities especially for sex offenders (to cut down on them being shanked in gen pop, presumably), but I'm not sure which one he'd end up in.   Do you think Anna would move nearby?  Or would one of the pilot-qualified sons be roped in to fly her there on a regular basis?  

[Westiepeach]

8 minutes ago, Quilt Fairy said:

Assuming Josh is convicted (and I won't take that as a given until there's a guilty plea or verdict and sentence), I wonder how Anna is going to arrange to take all the kids to see Josh?  From what I read on their website, the Federal BOP tries to place offenders within 300 miles of their home.  They actually have quite a few facilities especially for sex offenders (to cut down on them being shanked in gen pop, presumably), but I'm not sure which one he'd end up in.   Do you think Anna would move nearby?  Or would one of the pilot-qualified sons be roped in to fly her there on a regular basis?  

My thoughts are someone from “Duggar Aviation” will cart her around. No way is Jim Boob going to lose “control” of Anna and the M’s. No. Way.

[floridamom]

When Boob and Michelle look at their "M" grandchildren now, I wonder what they think of 'carrying the sins of their father'? It is well known in their group that no adoptions are allowed because of Gothard's belief here. Do they see the M-7 as being tainted goods and are doomed to never find suitable spouses? They MUST think that this belief is ridiculous. What did Mackynzie ever do to deserve the "Scarlet Letter"?..or the other soon to be 6?

[MargeGunderson]

12 hours ago, Snow Fairy said:

If Josh ends up in jail, is it a possible scenario that JB finds Anna a bit of a blame for that? And that he wouldn't be so happy of her and the kids living with them?

 

Or is it just me and my weird feelings about the whole situation?

I do think that JB will find plenty of blame to go around, and some will land on Anna. Josh will be blamed for giving in to temptation, Anna will be blamed for not fulfilling all of Josh’s needs, therefore causing him to give in to those temptations, and for not sufficiently monitoring his every move, and of course Satan will be blamed for building Fort Knox around Josh’s heart. And by Satan I mean, Satan, the gays, pornography, girls who don’t dress modestly, video games, social liberals, and social media. I don’t think JB would overtly take it out on Anna or the kids, but I do think they will be treated as less than the other kids/spouses/grandkids. 

[Albanyguy]

16 minutes ago, floridamom said:

When Boob and Michelle look at their "M" grandchildren now, I wonder what they think of 'carrying the sins of their father'? It is well known in their group that no adoptions are allowed because of Gothard's belief here. Do they see the M-7 as being tainted goods and are doomed to never find suitable spouses? They MUST think that this belief is ridiculous. What did Mackynzie ever do to deserve the "Scarlet Letter"?..or the other soon to be 6?

I think that, like many of their rules, this would be seen as applying to non-believers rather than to themselves. The idea that an adopted child would carry the "sins" of their father probably means that the father might be someone who was never "saved", like an atheist or (gasp!) a Catholic or someone who freely indulged in the temptations of the flesh and never repented.

Of course, very few non-believers have been as depraved and filthy as Josh, but that doesn't matter to the Duggars because all Josh has to do is say the magic words "I'm sorry, Jesus" and his sins will be immediately wiped away, just like last time and the time before that. Dietrich Bonhoffer called it "cheap grace", i.e. the preaching of forgiveness without requiring true repentance.

[Westiepeach]

I think when Joshie is sentenced to prison, Anna will get the brunt of the blame. In their cult, EVERYTHING bad is the woman’s fault. 🤷🏼‍♀️

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, Quilt Fairy said:

While his parents and a few siblings may cover for Anna, the kids, and to some degree Josh, I don't think Josh's crime is going to go over well in the fundy community at large, regardless of who they "blame".  I wouldn't be surprised if the Duggars become even more isolated than before.  There are some things JB's money won't buy. 

Assuming Josh is convicted (and I won't take that as a given until there's a guilty plea or verdict and sentence), I wonder how Anna is going to arrange to take all the kids to see Josh?  From what I read on their website, the Federal BOP tries to place offenders within 300 miles of their home.  They actually have quite a few facilities especially for sex offenders (to cut down on them being shanked in gen pop, presumably), but I'm not sure which one he'd end up in.   Do you think Anna would move nearby?  Or would one of the pilot-qualified sons be roped in to fly her there on a regular basis?  

Unfortunately, I’ve seen quite a few fundies and those of similar ilk on social media calling anyone who disagrees with them “pedophiles,” while ignoring the actual predators right in front of them. They can’t see reality at all.

[MargeGunderson]

13 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Unfortunately, I’ve seen quite a few fundies and those of similar ilk on social media calling anyone who disagrees with them “pedophiles,” while ignoring the actual predators right in front of them. They can’t see reality at all.

So basically they are saying “No, YOU’RE the pedophile?” Sweet baby Jesus, people are willfully stupid.

[Rabbittron]

4 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

So basically they are saying “No, YOU’RE the pedophile?” Sweet baby Jesus, people are willfully stupid.

Why yes yes they are. 

[Zella]

15 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

So basically they are saying “No, YOU’RE the pedophile?” Sweet baby Jesus, people are willfully stupid.

They're clearly unfamiliar with Lee Russell's stellar advice on the art of insults from Vice Principals.

 

 

Edited July 5, 2021 by Zella

[Cinnabon]

22 minutes ago, MargeGunderson said:

So basically they are saying “No, YOU’RE the pedophile?” Sweet baby Jesus, people are willfully stupid.

Yes, that’s exactly what they’ve been doing for the past year.

[MamaR]

12 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

These ladies are braver than I would be during this time, if I were them. Jill doing a post with Josh's name and now Jessa doing a post about having a brother's back. Trolls are mean when the posts are about nothing, but why give them anything even close to jump off of?

I must have missed that. I agree they don’t need to give them fuel to add to the fire. 

[BitterApple]

4 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

So basically they are saying “No, YOU’RE the pedophile?” Sweet baby Jesus, people are willfully stupid.

I'm not surprised. I came across a teen mom's YouTube channel a while back. This girl is very baby-faced and very young (like fifteen) and was always breastfeeding with boobs practically full out on camera. I kindly suggested she might not want to post such intimate moments, as there's a lot of creepers out there. People ripped me to shreds with "Omg, breastfeeding is natural! If you have a problem then YOU'RE the PERVERT!," etc. Yeah, it's natural to feed your kid, but an underage Lolita doing so in front of millions is potentially dangerous. People are really dumb.

[merylinkid]

7 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

Anna will be blamed for not fulfilling all of Josh’s needs, therefore causing him to give in to those temptations, and for not sufficiently monitoring his every move

Josh is the head of the family and Anna must submit to his will (not just sex either, everything, money, how to dress, etc).      BUT she is also responsible for monitoring him stop him from "Sinning?"     Yeah how does that make sense?    What if Josh just said "leave me alone Anna, I do what I want."   She's not supposed to challenge that.

[emmawoodhouse]

They wholly believe that it's the wife's responsibility to keep herself attractive and "joyfully available" for her husband. So yes, in their eyes it's Anna's fault that Smuggar joined Ashley Madison and downloaded/viewed CSA. 

[zenme]

8 hours ago, MargeGunderson said:

I do think that JB will find plenty of blame to go around, and some will land on Anna. Josh will be blamed for giving in to temptation, Anna will be blamed for not fulfilling all of Josh’s needs, therefore causing him to give in to those temptations, and for not sufficiently monitoring his every move, and of course Satan will be blamed for building Fort Knox around Josh’s heart. And by Satan I mean, Satan, the gays, pornography, girls who don’t dress modestly, video games, social liberals, and social media. I don’t think JB would overtly take it out on Anna or the kids, but I do think they will be treated as less than the other kids/spouses/grandkids. 

These people are crazy. I don’t understand how a pedophile’s needs can be fulfilled by having sex with a 30 year old woman. And they blame HER?

[MargeGunderson]

6 hours ago, zenme said:

These people are crazy. I don’t understand how a pedophile’s needs can be fulfilled by having sex with a 30 year old woman. And they blame HER?

Logic is not one of their strong skills. If it was, the whole thing would crumble pretty quickly.

[GeeGolly]

Like @emmawoodhouse posted, blaming Anna for Ashley Madison would be typical in their world, but like another poster said, this is a hard one to blame on Anna. Josh bypassed the 'spying eyes' program and was looking at disgusting images.

I think in their world this is a blame the devil issue.

[Spazamanaz]

11 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I'm not surprised. I came across a teen mom's YouTube channel a while back. This girl is very baby-faced and very young (like fifteen) and was always breastfeeding with boobs practically full out on camera. I kindly suggested she might not want to post such intimate moments, as there's a lot of creepers out there. People ripped me to shreds with "Omg, breastfeeding is natural! If you have a problem then YOU'RE the PERVERT!," etc. Yeah, it's natural to feed your kid, but an underage Lolita doing so in front of millions is potentially dangerous. People are really dumb.

That doesn't even make sense. How are you the pervert if you suggest to someone maybe not to post such intimate photos of her boobs(?) So basically you're telling her to maybe cover them up more. How is that being a pervert (?). These people are fucked. 

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Like @emmawoodhouse posted, blaming Anna for Ashley Madison would be typical in their world, but like another poster said, this is a hard one to blame on Anna. Josh bypassed the 'spying eyes' program and was looking at disgusting images.

I think in their world this is a blame the devil issue.

And the really great thing about the "blame the devil" gambit is that not only does it get you off the hook for anything bad that might have occurred.....but it actually proves that you're better than other people! You and your inner circle must be among the correct Jesus's most effective soldiers, winning the world for God -- because that's the only reason the devil ever carries out these attacks! 

Just as John MacArthur said about his higher-ed accreditation troubles -- the reason we're being investigated by that lame WASC group is that we're doing a better job for Jesus than all those other schools, so Satan is attacking us through the accrediting group!

'When speaking about the WASC visit, MacArthur said: “What had happened in the three days is a rather orchestrated attack, if not by any human source, certainly by Satan himself. There was an attack directly on me, and it came in all kinds of forms.”'    https://spiritualsoundingboard.com/2019/04/03/john-macarthur-demonstrates-expertise-in-the-destructive-and-self-preservation-tools-of-ingratiation-and-gaslighting/

Whispered from one patriarchy enthusiast to another -- Try this "blame Satan" thing. It's even more effective than our "blame a woman" thing.  (Of course, we still keep that one in our back pocket for all the less dire situations when something happens that could get us into trouble!)

[crazycatlady58]

29 minutes ago, Spazamanaz said:

That doesn't even make sense. How are you the pervert if you suggest to someone maybe not to post such intimate photos of her boobs(?) So basically you're telling her to maybe cover them up more. How is that being a pervert (?). These people are fucked. 

Because she was seeing something ' dirty' in a normal,  natural picture.   I do not feel this way just giving their possible thoughts. 

[Jynnan tonnix]

1 hour ago, Spazamanaz said:

That doesn't even make sense. How are you the pervert if you suggest to someone maybe not to post such intimate photos of her boobs(?) So basically you're telling her to maybe cover them up more. How is that being a pervert (?). These people are fucked. 

I suppose it falls under the idea of victim blaming - the notion that maybe there are places that it might not necessarily be the best idea to wear revealing and provocative clothing in certain circumstances is roundly disparaged because it's a person's right to wear whatever makes them feel good, and no one's fault but the pervert who attacks them if something happens. Which may be true, but it's still not the best idea to dress that way in every situation.

 

 

 

 

 

[Rootbeer]

4 hours ago, Spazamanaz said:

That doesn't even make sense. How are you the pervert if you suggest to someone maybe not to post such intimate photos of her boobs(?) So basically you're telling her to maybe cover them up more. How is that being a pervert (?). These people are fucked. 

Or, how about not breastfeeding on a public website where virtually the whole world can access the video?  If this young woman is comfortable breastfeeding publicly, that's fine, it's her prerogative.  But, presumably the breastfeeding is happening because her baby is hungry.  If that is the case, then turn the webcam off, concentrate solely on feeding your child, and return to making the video later when your baby doesn't need you to feed it.  Babies deserve your full attention when they nurse, so, if you can give it, you should.

I am presuming that a teen mom is not a lactation consultant doing instructional videos for other lactating mothers, of course.

[sue450]

On 7/5/2021 at 12:10 AM, Snow Fairy said:

If Josh ends up in jail, is it a possible scenario that JB finds Anna a bit of a blame for that? And that he wouldn't be so happy of her and the kids living with them?

 

Or is it just me and my weird feelings about the whole situation?

in their cult the man has no control over their desires. that;'s why they don't dance  so they won't tempt the men.....and while out in public the mom michelle duggar would yell nike and hubby and sons would look down at their shoes so they would not be defrauded (not see women wearing skimpy clothes)  1 time some of the daughters were in a 2nd hand store and a little one picked up a musical toy and started to dance, they made him stop (even the little ones can't dance.

 

    of course anna is to blame in their cult,  anyone can make your husband a sandwich but only YOU can fill that special need!!! yes michelle said that.....they follow bill gothard  he told a woman who admitted to him her father had sexually molested her as child that she was to thank her father molester because he made her spiritually stronger...that how totally screwed up this cult is 

[BigBingerBro]

Divorcing Josh Duggar would be his wife Anna's 'last resort,' source says

[crazy8s]

"Divorce is never going to be a first option [for Anna]," the family friend told Fox News this week. "It's going to be a last, last resort."

 

let's be honest divorce is never going to be any option unless TLC offers them a contract to be on You, Me and My EX...

[JoanArc]

48 minutes ago, crazy8s said:

"Divorce is never going to be a first option [for Anna]," the family friend told Fox News this week. "It's going to be a last, last resort."

 

let's be honest divorce is never going to be any option unless TLC offers them a contract to be on You, Me and My EX...

 I think the only other other option will be for financial reasons. She probably would never leave him as a mate but would break up with him on paper to do some Jim Bob style financial chicanery. 

[MargeGunderson]

2 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

Divorcing Josh Duggar would be his wife Anna's 'last resort,' source says

So apparently child sex abuse is not enough to warrant the “last resort.” No wonder consequences have little effect on Josh. So many passes as long as you love the right Jesus. 

But women wearing pants and having jobs are a bridge too far.

Edited July 16, 2021 by MargeGunderson

[iwantcookies]

It pisses me off that Josh is free until his trial. With his luck he might get probation!!! 
 

Anna must be like 7 months pregnant by now. 

[emmawoodhouse]

29 minutes ago, iwantcookies said:

It pisses me off that Josh is free until his trial. With his luck he might get probation!!! 
 

Anna must be like 7 months pregnant by now. 

From what I understand, no probation in Federal trials.

[ginger90]

9 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

From what I understand, no probation in Federal trials.

I believe probation can be a sentence in federal court. Perhaps you’re thinking of parole?

[ginger90]

Today is Meredith’s birthday.

[BigBingerBro]

Josh Duggar wanted a career in politics before scandals but that has 'come to a halt', family friend reveals

[iwantcookies]

No kidding 🤣🤣🤣

[Quilt Fairy]

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The insider revealed that Duggar never found his work in the automotive industry as fulfilling as politics.

"His work in the automotive industry"?  Yeah, whatever.

Since I believe that the Duggars have few friends, I think any article quoting "an insider" is largely made up out of previously published snippets and rumors.  This one is particularly amusing, though. 

[iwantcookies]

The dinky trailer in a car lot is automotive industry??? Haha snorts haha.

I want to read Joshua’s resume!

[Future Cat Lady]

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Duggar resigned from the position in May 2015 following his molestation and porn addiction scandals.

"Last night we learned from online reports about allegations concerning Josh Duggar and then read his confession today. We are grieved by Josh’s conduct and the devastating impact of his pornography addiction and marital unfaithfulness," Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, said in a statement at the time. "Our hearts hurt for his family, and all those affected by Josh’s actions. His deceitful behavior harms his family, his friends, his former coworkers, and the cause he has publicly espoused."

Duggar's friend recalled to Fox News that it was around this time Duggar made "some decisions that were out of character."

His recent federal charges, if proven true, appear "are way out of character," the pal added.

Out of character? That ''pal'' is an idiot. It's not out of character when it keeps happening again and again.

[JoanArc]

Amy must get a lot of use out of her Captain obvious costume.

[3 is enough]

Interesting point brought up a few times in the comments on David Keller and Hannah Reber's  Instagram post.  Now that the Reber's daughter is engaged to Josh's brother-in-law, is that a conflict of interest with respect to Josh staying with the Rebers?  Will he have to be placed somewhere else? Or just await trial in jail?

[GeeGolly]

1 minute ago, 3 is enough said:

Interesting point brought up a few times in the comments on David Keller and Hannah Reber's  Instagram post.  Now that the Reber's daughter is engaged to Josh's brother-in-law, is that a conflict of interest with respect to Josh staying with the Rebers?  Will he have to be placed somewhere else? Or just await trial in jail?

The judge knew the families were friends before she agreed to the terms. Its unlikely strangers would take in a suspected child abuser.

[3 is enough]

4 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

The judge knew the families were friends before she agreed to the terms. Its unlikely strangers would take in a suspected child abuser.

But maybe the prosecution will jump on this change of circumstances.  One could argue that there is a difference between "friends" and "related by marriage".

Also, didn't the Reber's son get married last year?  If he and his wife were to have a baby would they not be allowed to bring the baby to his parents' house as long as Josh was there?

[ginger90]

3 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

Also, didn't the Reber's son get married last year?  If he and his wife were to have a baby would they not be allowed to bring the baby to his parents' house as long as Josh was there?

No children, except Josh’s, with Anna present.

[Rootbeer]

2 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

But maybe the prosecution will jump on this change of circumstances.  One could argue that there is a difference between "friends" and "related by marriage".

Also, didn't the Reber's son get married last year?  If he and his wife were to have a baby would they not be allowed to bring the baby to his parents' house as long as Josh was there?

Short answer: no, they wouldn't.  At least not if the court ruling we heard was correct and Josh may not be around children under 18 except his own.  The Rebers could petition the court to make an exception for their grandchild, if they had one; but it wouldn't necessarily be granted.

[libgirl2]

2 minutes ago, Rootbeer said:

Short answer: no, they wouldn't.  At least not if the court ruling we heard was correct and Josh may not be around children under 18 except his own.  The Rebers could petition the court to make an exception for their grandchild, if they had one; but it wouldn't necessarily be granted.

I would hope it wouldn't. 

[irisheyes]

4 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

Josh Duggar wanted a career in politics before scandals but that has 'come to a halt', family friend reveals

In other breaking news, water is wet. 😂😂

[merylinkid]

the prosecution is not going to jump on Josh's brother in law marrying his minder's daughter.   It's not a conflict of interest.   It's not that big of deal.   The prosecutors have other things to worry about that Josh's living arrangements with adults.   This is not their only case.   I can guarantee the prosecutors are not thinking about this case nearly as much as we are.

[Cinnabon]

Who thinks the Rebers will have no problem breaking the rules? I’m sure their grandchild has been to visit. 
also, what kind of “counsel” could 25 (?) year old Dan Keller offer Josh or Anna????