Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[galaxychaser]

It would be nearly impossible for Anna to leave. No job skills , minimum wage doesn’t pay much. Who would help her with child care? Public assistance is not enough for her to pick up her life.  She would need 3 months rent in her pocket before she can leave. 

She will never leave first. Josh would have to file for divorce first. And Josh won’t do that.

Anna is stuck. And I honestly don’t think she wants to divorce.

[bythelake]

20 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

There is nothing wrong with living in a mobile home. Lots of people do it on a daily basis. To me, it is a lot better than being in debt for twenty to thirty years paying off a mortgage along with a lot more cost to keep a house well maintained.

A lot of single mothers take care of themselves and their kids also. They sometime struggle, but there is help out there. My one sister-in-law lost her husband after he took a second fall off a grain freight train car at work and had a stroke before of after the fall. She was not working at the time, but she manage to keep her and her two sons going with some help from family and friends.

I believe Anna's brother offered her help, but she did not take it. She has been told to go along with what Smugs wants and he is leader of the family, so if he wants her and the kids to stay with him, they stay with him.

I’m not criticizing the mobile home, I just meant  that it would be cramped with (at the time of the scandals) 5? more people. That’s if the Keller’s even wanted them. And was her brother able to accommodate her and the 4 kids she had at the time? Wasn’t he going through a divorce ?

I became a single parent  of two but they were a little older than Anna’s oldest and they were in school. I changed my working hours to nights so I could sleep while they were in school and day camp in the summer. It was hard, but I had a home, a profession and a wonderful mom who helped a lot. With the right tools and support it can be done. Anna has none of that.

I think Anna realized she had few options. She could go into the scary world, find someone to watch 4 young children, and work at CFA, or stay with Josh,have a comfortable home and have her children taken care of. She swallowed her pride and made the best of it. Now that she will be having the 6th, there’s no going back.

I also think that while Josh was in Jesus jail,JB might have threatened,cajoled and begged Anna to stay because of the family brand and made her feel as if she had no other choice but to stay with Josh. I think she made the choice to forgive him for the sake of her children. That’s all. She’s not going anywhere.

[Sew Sumi]

3 hours ago, kokapetl said:

Jebus fucking christ, indoor voices, please!

I hate when people use seasons like Anna. Aside from the fact it’s not right for the Southern Hemisphere (it’s already fall, and it’s not called fall, it’s called autumn), three months is too large to be any sort of remotely specific date. 

Mechelle narrowed it down to November.

[Temperance]

Just now, Sew Sumi said:

Mechelle narrowed it down to November.

I was just about to post this. Although it must be early November if they're already announcing. I don't think they've narrowed down Joe and Kendra's date to a month (although speculation is October). 

[Sew Sumi]

Agreed on both counts. 

[bigskygirl]

1 hour ago, Heathen said:

It isn't that easy. Imagine walking away from your family of origin, your religion, your culture, your hometown, and everything you've been taught. It takes a far stronger and more intelligent person than Smuggar, not to mention that he'd go from financially comfortable to destitute without his family's money. Smuggar really doesn't have many choices now. 

I've done it, albeit without the family money issue. It was and still is hard. 

I understand what you are saying, but he still is an ass. A lot of people leave family behind aka joining the military, school, job etc. etc. without family being around to help them out or without financial support. If he could survive D.C. without his family around to hold his hands, he could have went out and try something else. I think JB wants to keep a close eye on him to make sure he does not make anymore serious mistakes because the family name is so much more important.

In the case of Anna, there are a lot of women in the same boat she is in, and they survived.  My aunt was pregnant with baby number six, already had four daughters and her oldest and only son had special needs (he is quite a guy and has it more together than all the Duggars put together and is higher functioning disabled) when my uncle was killed in a car accident in 1973. She struggled, but she was able to keep going and tried her hardest to keep herself and her family together even with my grandparents and other family members and some friends to help her at times. She was more of mother to me than my own, and I miss her a lot.

[Cinnabon]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

From what I've read about Ashley Madison, the website itself appeared to be a scam. Something like 90% of the members were married men. And one article I read said the 10% of female members were paid by the site.

I have a feeling that Josh has never had sex with anybody other than Anna. I'm guessing he probably would have if given the opportunity, but never actually did.

I believe Josh's time in Jesus Jail was threefold: public penance, rebuilding his marriage and because his ilk believe all sins are created equal.

Do they really think all sins are created equal though? Cheating and abuse is equal to say, lying? Because all of them lie on a regular basis.

Edited April 27, 2019 by Cinnabon

[bigskygirl]

4 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Do they really     think all sin should are created equal though? Cheating is equal to say, lying? 

They seem to think Smugs cheating and looking at porn is a lot worse than molesting his sisters in their sick twisted way of thinking. Boggles the mind does it not.

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, bigskygirl said:

They seem to think Smugs cheating and looking at porn is a lot worse than molesting his sisters in their sick twisted way of thinking. Boggles the mind does it not.

I believe they think, and thought, the molestations were horrid as well. He had a similar punishment by his parents when he was barely a teen. It just wasn't played out in the media in live time. And when the media did catch wind of it years had passed.

Josh is scum and is lucky Anna is still married to him. The one thing has she has going for her is she seems to be a good mom. I feel bad for her and the kids when the time comes that she'll need to explain Josh's behavior. They probably idolize him. The devastation they'll feel when they find out what he has done is going to be huge.

I doubt neither Josh nor Anna is preparing for when children find out. There's no doubt in my mind that they will find out. If no one has left the cult by then, one or all of the Ms might be the one(s). They'll be simultaneously close enough to it all and far enough removed from it all to have a different perspective.

[Norwindian]

2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

They seem to think Smugs cheating and looking at porn is a lot worse than molesting his sisters in their sick twisted way of thinking. Boggles the mind does it not.

We need a vomit emoji here. 

[bigskygirl]

30 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I believe they think, and thought, the molestations were horrid as well. He had a similar punishment by his parents when he was barely a teen. It just wasn't played out in the media in live time. And when the media did catch wind of it years had passed.

Josh is scum and is lucky Anna is still married to him. The one thing has she has going for her is she seems to be a good mom. I feel bad for her and the kids when the time comes that she'll need to explain Josh's behavior. They probably idolize him. The devastation they'll feel when they find out what he has done is going to be huge.

I doubt neither Josh nor Anna is preparing for when children find out. There's no doubt in my mind that they will find out. If no one has left the cult by then, one or all of the Ms might be the one(s). They'll be simultaneously close enough to it all and far enough removed from it all to have a different perspective.

 I do not think it was his curiosity and it happened in every other family out there speaks horrid to me. They covered it up in order to get a show. His punishment of being sent away for a short time and was able to come back and be around his sisters is not punishment enough for what he did. Of course now he is paying the price for it. I personally love the fact he is not able to sue because he should not capitalize on what he did. Karma is biting him in the behind. The sad fact is Anna and the kids are paying for it.

[FizzyPuff]

34 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I feel bad for her and the kids when the time comes that she'll need to explain Josh's behavior. They probably idolize him. The devastation they'll feel when they find out what he has done is going to be huge.

I doubt neither Josh nor Anna is preparing for when children find out. There's no doubt in my mind that they will find out. If no one has left the cult by then, one or all of the Ms might be the one(s). They'll be simultaneously close enough to it all and far enough removed from it all to have a different perspective.

Honestly when one of the little Ms find out, shit is gonna hit the fan. I can see a few of them leaving and Anna & Josh won’t be able to stop it. They’d be truly disgusted with Josh and start to question everything, I hope they all leave and then I hope Anna goes too,unless she wants to be stuck with that sicko for life. 

[bigskygirl]

Just now, Puffin said:

Honestly when one of the little Ms find out, shit is gonna hit the fan. I can see a few of them leaving and Anna & Josh won’t be able to stop it. They’d be truly disgusted with Josh and start to question everything, I hope they all leave and then I hope Anna goes too,unless she wants to be stuck with that sicko for life. 

They probably will tell the kids it was the devil who made him do it, he was curious about girls and sex, he is sorry he did it, Ma and Pa Stupid took care of it, and he has been "cured" of his bad deeds.

[FizzyPuff]

4 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

They probably will tell the kids it was the devil who made him do it, he was curious about girls and sex, he is sorry he did it, Ma and Pa Stupid took care of it, and he has been "cured" of his bad deeds.

Uh they make me feel sick, no way can they justify what Josh did with their BS. One of those kids isn’t gonna be fooled and will leave, I can’t wait.

[Nysha]

14 minutes ago, Puffin said:

Honestly when one of the little Ms find out, shit is gonna hit the fan. I can see a few of them leaving and Anna & Josh won’t be able to stop it. They’d be truly disgusted with Josh and start to question everything, I hope they all leave and then I hope Anna goes too,unless she wants to be stuck with that sicko for life. 

I think they're going to stick with the "curious about girls and it was above the clothes while they were sleeping" story and claim the Evil Liberal Media blew it out of proportion. The Ashley Madison stuff will be explained away because moving to the Big City and away from his family allowed the devil to build that fortress. As long as Josh never gets caught again, the big story they'll push on the kids is how God forgave Josh and healed him, and how strong their Godly marriage became after all the trials and tribulations.  The M-kids don't seem to be around any other kids but their cousins and they aren't going to be allowed unsupervised access to the Internet, so by the time they find out about Josh's "sins", they'll be completely brainwashed that it's all a conspiracy against Christianity and the Duggars.

[DangerousMinds]

Apparently the real estate listing for their house doesn’t mention the school district in the area (like most do), but does mention its proximity to the local Walmart and Sam’s Club. 🤣🤣🤣

[mythoughtis]

7 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

I secretly hope she finds another man who would step up to the plate to take care of her and the kids, treats her and the kids well, loves her and the kids, and works hard and does not feel the need to "cheat" on her, and is not a man who hides behind his parents and religion when he does something wrong along with blaming the devil for it. A man who treats women with kindness and respect, and does calls out others for the way they live their lives while he is the one who is total ass and has his own dirty little secrets.  I seriously doubt it will actually happen, but a person can always hope.

One can hope- but it would take a Very Special Man to step up to the plate to be a step-father to 6 children, and to put up with Josh, his family, TLC, etc.  where would Anna meet him?  We’ve yet to see a single  family in the Duggar circle to have remarried after a spouse died, nor have we seen one remarry after divorce( or even divorce in the first place). 

[bythelake]

30 minutes ago, mythoughtis said:

One can hope- but it would take a Very Special Man to step up to the plate to be a step-father to 6 children, and to put up with Josh, his family, TLC, etc.  where would Anna meet him?  We’ve yet to see a single  family in the Duggar circle to have remarried after a spouse died, nor have we seen one remarry after divorce( or even divorce in the first place). 

Anna’s sister is divorced. Don’t remember her name. I don’t know if she’s remarried but she does have a significant other.

She was in  pictures at the Kellers with Priscilla and David Waller and Josh, Anna and the M kids last fall.

I guess they’ve relaxed their feelings about divorce, Anna’s parents and siblings seem close to this daughter.

[babyhouseman]

http://dlisted.com/2019/04/27/josh-duggar-has-knocked-anna-duggar-up-with-baby-6/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Snarky article about the blessed event.

[galaxychaser]

29 minutes ago, babyhouseman said:

http://dlisted.com/2019/04/27/josh-duggar-has-knocked-anna-duggar-up-with-baby-6/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Snarky article about the blessed event.

I love dlisted . The comments are hilarious 

[BrianJ1962]

She must be brainwashed to keep with this pedo-monster. That or she has no soul, does anyone do anything to keep him from abusing his own kids. Say he (and God forbid) he does mess with his kids would anyone do anything?

[yogi2014L]

8 hours ago, galaxychaser said:

It would be nearly impossible for Anna to leave. No job skills , minimum wage doesn’t pay much. Who would help her with child care? Public assistance is not enough for her to pick up her life.  She would need 3 months rent in her pocket before she can leave. 

She would need much more than that. Does she even have credit? I can't imagine anyone would rent to her . her only hope would be government assistance or someone would have to take her in.

I do agree, she is horrendously stuck just like the cult wants her to be. 

[BitterApple]

2 hours ago, bythelake said:

Anna’s sister is divorced. Don’t remember her name. I don’t know if she’s remarried but she does have a significant other.

She was in  pictures at the Kellers with Priscilla and David Waller and Josh, Anna and the M kids last fall.

I guess they’ve relaxed their feelings about divorce, Anna’s parents and siblings seem close to this daughter.

Rebekah is divorced and now re-married, but she only has two daughters. I think the chances of Anna finding a man willing to take on six kids are slim to none.

[mythoughtis]

2 hours ago, bythelake said:

Anna’s sister is divorced. Don’t remember her name. I don’t know if she’s remarried but she does have a significant other.

She was in  pictures at the Kellers with Priscilla and David Waller and Josh, Anna and the M kids last fall.

I guess they’ve relaxed their feelings about divorce, Anna’s parents and siblings seem close to this daughter.

I forgot about her. But Bitter Apple already replied to you about her. This sister also wears pants and her significant other is quite a bit older than her and well off, I think.  I have a feeling this sister is quite a bit more mainstream than Anna.

I just don’t think Anna can find her way to meeting someone that would take her on because she has really drank the Koolaid and I don’t think the fundie circle would see her as a catch. 

Edited April 28, 2019 by mythoughtis

[Sew Sumi]

Even with all those kids, I think Anna would be considered a good catch. She's attractive, but more importantly, she has proven her piety by staying in what must be a horribly one-sided marriage. If Smuggar divorces her, bonus martyr points.

Edited April 28, 2019 by Sew Sumi

[Temperance]

18 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Even with all those kids, I think Anna would be considered a good catch. She's attractive, but more importantly, she has proven her piety by staying in what must be a horribly one-sided marriage. If Smuggar divorces her, bonus martyr points.

I also think someone older without kids of their own might enjoy having a family. 

[DangerousMinds]

What kind of a company wants JOSH to promote them online?

[Scarlett45]

7 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

One can hope- but it would take a Very Special Man to step up to the plate to be a step-father to 6 children, and to put up with Josh, his family, TLC, etc.  where would Anna meet him?  We’ve yet to see a single  family in the Duggar circle to have remarried after a spouse died, nor have we seen one remarry after divorce( or even divorce in the first place). 

I don’t think this ilk has any problem with someone remarrying after the death of the spouse. (Although I would suspect in the case of a widow, they would expect her new husband to be a similar age- no young guys for her). Derrick Dillard’s Mom is remarried. 

[Scarlett45]

2 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

Even with all those kids, I think Anna would be considered a good catch. She's attractive, but more importantly, she has proven her piety by staying in what must be a horribly one-sided marriage. If Smuggar divorces her, bonus martyr points.

IF Josh were to leave Anna, in several years when the kids were older I could see her being a catch to an older fundy guy who was a widower or something. But now? A young woman with six kids isn’t a catch even in the fundy world. The kids are all too little to work in the family business or take over all the domestic duties for another household. They are dead weight financially and physically (for the new spouse) and all the emotional drama of dealing with the Duggars 😑. There are plenty of fundy women even Anna’s “ancient” age of 30 who haven’t married yet, OR who “got saved” later with only one 1 child (or none) if an older fundy guy was looking for a spouse. 

I don’t think Anna would leave Josh, but if he left her I could see her marrying again when the kids were a bit older (a decade from now). 

[mythoughtis]

5 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

I don’t think this ilk has any problem with someone remarrying after the death of the spouse. (Although I would suspect in the case of a widow, they would expect her new husband to be a similar age- no young guys for her). Derrick Dillard’s Mom is remarried. 

Dericks Mom is still not as fundy as Anna. Cathy wears pants, worked, and was visibly annoyed by the Duggars courting rules.  

Furthermore, have you seen even one of the Duggars even admit Ronnie exists?    I do not believe remarriage is the norm in the Duggar crowd.  They dont attend Criss Church because Cross Church isn’t crazy enough for them. 

[sigmaforce86]

While I can't believe these two are having another baby "blessing" at the same time I can believe it because Anna is that type of Mother - whether she does it because she genuinely loves babies, because she believes it's her calling and duty or because she thinks it proves her hubby is devoted only to her and is back on the straight and narrow (or a combo of the three).

But Josh and his circumstances and his continuing to hover in the Duggar atmosphere.  He is a lazy brainwashed idiot.  It's been four freaking years since he was fired by FRC, almost exactly four (it was May 2015).  Even allowing for his time in Jesus Jail how many certifications could a motivated person get in four years - not even that how many could he get in a 12 month course even if he had to bring his GED knowledge up to snuff.  He could have been a certified bookkeeper, a certified medical coder  (high demand for this) or transcriptionist, a court reporter (ha the irony), entry level IT certification or web developer (something that could be a big career built on continuing education), electrician or plumber (he'd even be out of apprenticeship by now), HVAC tech, paralegal.  Heck he already knows how to drive the stink bus and RV's, get a CDL license and go on the road short or long haul.  If he really wanted to pull himself and Anna out of their situation and get out from under JB's thumb there are many ways he could have done it - it may take some determination and study, it may mean low pay and work your way up but if he'd started years ago when he lost that cushy fake FRC job where could he and his family be right now?  But that of course means Josh has to take initiative, buckle down and actually work 9-5 or longer with all that annoying stuff like a boss and accountability and a regimented schedule probably at a desk all day.  In other words the real world the rest of us who don't shill for jesus on TV have to deal with.

[floridamom]

Regarding Anna, we have to remember how twisted their thinking and logic are. These people secretly 'want' to be persecuted and tested for their faith in God. The heartache, public humiliation that Joshua brought her and not to mention the public ridicule of her decision to stay with him is some type of badge of honor for her. She was being held up as some sort of Christian wife-example for all to see. This public suffering compares them to the suffering of Christ bringing her closer to Him and she suffered 'for Him'. Boy, is she holy now in God's eyes.

ANNNNNNND, I can't believe that I just typed that.

[louannems]

8 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

What kind of a company wants JOSH to promote them online?

Anna and her Adoring Headship Gaze is always cringe worthy.

[louannems]

21 minutes ago, sigmaforce86 said:

While I can't believe these two are having another baby "blessing" at the same time I can believe it because Anna is that type of Mother - whether she does it because she genuinely loves babies, because she believes it's her calling and duty or because she thinks it proves her hubby is devoted only to her and is back on the straight and narrow (or a combo of the three).

But Josh and his circumstances and his continuing to hover in the Duggar atmosphere.  He is a lazy brainwashed idiot.  It's been four freaking years since he was fired by FRC, almost exactly four (it was May 2015).  Even allowing for his time in Jesus Jail how many certifications could a motivated person get in four years - not even that how many could he get in a 12 month course even if he had to bring his GED knowledge up to snuff.  He could have been a certified bookkeeper, a certified medical coder  (high demand for this) or transcriptionist, a court reporter (ha the irony), entry level IT certification or web developer (something that could be a big career built on continuing education), electrician or plumber (he'd even be out of apprenticeship by now), HVAC tech, paralegal.  Heck he already knows how to drive the stink bus and RV's, get a CDL license and go on the road short or long haul.  If he really wanted to pull himself and Anna out of their situation and get out from under JB's thumb there are many ways he could have done it - it may take some determination and study, it may mean low pay and work your way up but if he'd started years ago when he lost that cushy fake FRC job where could he and his family be right now?  But that of course means Josh has to take initiative, buckle down and actually work 9-5 or longer with all that annoying stuff like a boss and accountability and a regimented schedule probably at a desk all day.  In other words the real world the rest of us who don't shill for jesus on TV have to deal with.

You're especially right about the CDL liscense.  There is a huge national shortage of truck drivers.

In my Seattle area, you can't drive by a warehouse without seeing truck driver wanted signs.  And many are 9 to 5, Monday through Friday.

Josh could easily have done that, but it would mean worked for someone else, not JimBob.

[Minivanessa]

8 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

What kind of a company wants JOSH to promote them online?

A company founded by a guy from Northwest Arkansas. Maybe he's a fundie too.

[Churchhoney]

54 minutes ago, sigmaforce86 said:

While I can't believe these two are having another baby "blessing" at the same time I can believe it because Anna is that type of Mother - whether she does it because she genuinely loves babies, because she believes it's her calling and duty or because she thinks it proves her hubby is devoted only to her and is back on the straight and narrow (or a combo of the three).

But Josh and his circumstances and his continuing to hover in the Duggar atmosphere.  He is a lazy brainwashed idiot.  It's been four freaking years since he was fired by FRC, almost exactly four (it was May 2015).  Even allowing for his time in Jesus Jail how many certifications could a motivated person get in four years - not even that how many could he get in a 12 month course even if he had to bring his GED knowledge up to snuff.  He could have been a certified bookkeeper, a certified medical coder  (high demand for this) or transcriptionist, a court reporter (ha the irony), entry level IT certification or web developer (something that could be a big career built on continuing education), electrician or plumber (he'd even be out of apprenticeship by now), HVAC tech, paralegal.  Heck he already knows how to drive the stink bus and RV's, get a CDL license and go on the road short or long haul.  If he really wanted to pull himself and Anna out of their situation and get out from under JB's thumb there are many ways he could have done it - it may take some determination and study, it may mean low pay and work your way up but if he'd started years ago when he lost that cushy fake FRC job where could he and his family be right now?  But that of course means Josh has to take initiative, buckle down and actually work 9-5 or longer with all that annoying stuff like a boss and accountability and a regimented schedule probably at a desk all day.  In other words the real world the rest of us who don't shill for jesus on TV have to deal with.

So much this. ^^^^

Of course, if he did one of these sensible things, he'd also have to work for somebody other than Daddy! Which for a Duggar is apparently unthinkable. 

[BrianJ1962]

Does Josh get around the rest of his family when the camera's are not rolling?

[Oldernowiser]

52 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

A company founded by a guy from Northwest Arkansas. Maybe he's a fundie too.

Okay, I’m really twelve, but having him shill for anything involving a “root wad” is a tad bizarre.

[bigskygirl]

What the heck is a root wad?

[Rabbittron]

One thing Smuggar will never do is admit that he did anything wrong.  After all he is the golden child of fundies.

[Minivanessa]

7 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

What the heck is a root wad?

I think it has something to do with creating habitat for fish in lakes and ponds. 

[lucy711]

On 4/27/2019 at 10:35 AM, bigskygirl said:

There are millions of people who had crappy childhood, but it does give them the right to molest their siblings or "cheat" on their spouse. I bet Josh would have turn out to be a total ass even if he had a normal decent childhood. I also think he is sorry because he got caught, and is not sorry for what he did aka the devil made me do it or I was just curious about sex and the female body. Anna was "given" to Josh because his idiot parents thought it would cure his needs.

Of course it doesn't give him a right.  Nothing excuses what he did.  No one has a right to molest anyone, much less their own sisters.  Josh may have had issues regardless of how he grew up, but my point is that his upbringing did him no favors whatsoever.  His parents responded inappropriately and likely never forced him to take ownership for his terrible behavior.  Then he got married young and probably shouldn't have.  If he was a better/stronger man he would have resisted since he clearly wasn't ready to settle down, but I do understand that it would be difficult to grow up in Duggar world and suddenly break away and do your own thing. 

It's kinda like when someone who grew up in a broken, dysfunctional home with terrible parents ends up getting involved in criminal doings.  Their background doesn't excuse their actions (and many people grow up in terrible situations and lead good lives), but you see how the environment they were raised in helped to worsen the issue.

Edited April 28, 2019 by lucy711

[Churchhoney]

I'm baffled by this whole fishing connection.

Is Joshley known in those parts as a dedicated angler? He doesn't look anything like a fisherman in the picture.

And do fishermen buy fishing-related stuff because they're attracted by the idea of some woman staring up at them in adoration while they stand around in sunglasses looking like idiots? 

It looks to me like those products are meant for people who are really serious about creating and maintaining good fish habitat somewhere so they can, you know, fish. But the image in the ad doesn't suggest that in the least to me. To me, the ad says, "You, too, can stand around looking like a two-bit but pretentious con man and have an ordinary-looking woman making googoo eyes at you." I don't know who wants that, but I'd be very surprised if many serious fishermen do. 

Maybe this guy owed Jim Bob a favor or money or something? 

Or maybe the Duggs figure that the leghumpers who want the Joshley family back on the show will "Swipe Up" just to be supportive? .... Although I don't know how many would be supportive enough to buy fish habitat-creation gear just to show their solidarity with the Smuggars.....Especially if they don't own a pond or live next to a creek or something... 

Just very odd. 

Edited April 28, 2019 by Churchhoney

[bigskygirl]

I certainly agree Ma and Pa Stupid Idiots did not do him any favors. I think he still would have turn out to think he is God's Gift to women and think he is a lady's man who no woman could resist even with a half way decent childhood.

[bythelake]

2 hours ago, sigmaforce86 said:

While I can't believe these two are having another baby "blessing" at the same time I can believe it because Anna is that type of Mother - whether she does it because she genuinely loves babies, because she believes it's her calling and duty or because she thinks it proves her hubby is devoted only to her and is back on the straight and narrow (or a combo of the three).

But Josh and his circumstances and his continuing to hover in the Duggar atmosphere.  He is a lazy brainwashed idiot.  It's been four freaking years since he was fired by FRC, almost exactly four (it was May 2015).  Even allowing for his time in Jesus Jail how many certifications could a motivated person get in four years - not even that how many could he get in a 12 month course even if he had to bring his GED knowledge up to snuff.  He could have been a certified bookkeeper, a certified medical coder  (high demand for this) or transcriptionist, a court reporter (ha the irony), entry level IT certification or web developer (something that could be a big career built on continuing education), electrician or plumber (he'd even be out of apprenticeship by now), HVAC tech, paralegal.  Heck he already knows how to drive the stink bus and RV's, get a CDL license and go on the road short or long haul.  If he really wanted to pull himself and Anna out of their situation and get out from under JB's thumb there are many ways he could have done it - it may take some determination and study, it may mean low pay and work your way up but if he'd started years ago when he lost that cushy fake FRC job where could he and his family be right now?  But that of course means Josh has to take initiative, buckle down and actually work 9-5 or longer with all that annoying stuff like a boss and accountability and a regimented schedule probably at a desk all day.  In other words the real world the rest of us who don't shill for jesus on TV have to deal with.

Could it be that JB doesn’t allow it? None of the married boys except JD have any freedom or independence, and JD still works for Daddy. 

Are they afraid to leave because they are so dull,lazy,stupid, or have they been a product of JB systematically depriving them of education,socialization and the chance for a normal life so that they would stay? They haven’t been taught any life skills, the girls can't cook,or clean and go to SM to ask questions about child raising instead of their mother. What does that tell you? The boys dabble in carpentry,selling used cars,and bible study. None of the children were encouraged to follow their dreams.

Everything that JB has done is strictly to promote the Duggar brand. First 19k, then CO.,the specials, the appearances on mainstream tv, the little girls album and the bald boys band. Everything. And,he will do it until his dying day.

JB keeps his children on a short leash, whether with threats or promises,he controls the money and every aspect of their lives. The kids for the most part live in Duggar houses,drive Duggar cars.

I think they are all too terrified of life outside the cult, so they stay, marry spouses with similar up bringing, take the handouts and pop out blessings. It’s the only thing they know.

Maybe, in the beginning the Duggars were “godly” people, but it quickly turned when JB saw the potential of a windfall by putting his family on display. Now the only god this family follows is JB.

[Future Cat Lady]

Josh did get a job outside of the "Duggar Cult" and it seriously backfired. I think the parents are using what happened to Josh as a cautionary tale. 

[bigskygirl]

Smugs and Anna move away, but it turn out to be a disaster. Jill and Deredick moved away, but it turn out to be a disaster. Jinger and Jermeme have moved away, and Jermeme is probably calling the shots in their marriage with Jinger going along with it because Jermeme is like a father figure to her...her lordship...err never mind.

JD is still under JB's thumb. Benny Boy lets Jessa run the show. The rest of the couples bore me to tears, so in reality, I have no real opinions about them.

[Barb23]

13 hours ago, Temperance said:

I also think someone older without kids of their own might enjoy having a family. 

As has been proven in many a Hallmark channel movie or in one of my cheesy romance novels. Kidding aside, I'm sure there are men who would like an Instant family no matter the family's history. 

[ginger90]

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Josh should shave his head and wear a bra. I cannot stand to look at him.