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1 hour ago, Lunera said:

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M6 would be the 15th grandchild, so did they accidentally out another pregnancy?

"It is going to be neat to see what God does with each one of their children's lives." 

Neat? Seriously? They really are living in decades long past.

And what has God done with any of your family's lives so far, you crap-filled dunderheads? What will become of these completely uneducated, isolated kids as they grow up, learn their father's messy background, and move on into a 21st-century world where JB's money has dwindled to nothing thanks to the dozens of competing claims of these proliferating generations and where they have no employment-worthy knowledge or skills to speak of? 

And, wow, "God is at work in their sweet little family! He has blessed them with another child! What a gift! The best days for their family are still ahead!"      If I've ever seen somebody "protesting too much," this is it. 

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Once, before Marcus, Josh and Anna were discussing family size. Josh said something like 3 would be good, five max.  Anna said five was "a good start".

I don't think he's coercing her in any way. She's driving the baby-crazy train. I'm not condoning his sleeping around and I find him disgusting, but I also believe he was looking to have sex without constant babies. I wouldn't be surprised if he's taking steps* to maintain the spacing between pregnancies. His situation being what it is, he has no say in how many kids they have. That's his penance. 

* probably nothing more sinister than having headaches and spending a lot of time in the bathroom. 

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Their “best days are still ahead” per JB & M - wtf does that mean? If they had “only” had 5 kids, the best days were over? They’d peaked and just had to muddle through from now on? WTF

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2 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

My take is that she is a healthy young woman with desires and he is there and available.  We don't know what he has told her, acts towards her, forgiveness considered, etc. etc.  Of course what we know from the teevee eliminates him as a contender for any one of us, but, we aren't her.

I wonder if Anna has any desires other than to keep reproducing for Jesus. Quite sad really, I bet she’s never had a orgasm she probably thinks it’s from the devil. 

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

I do firmly believe that Anna does want these children, no matter what she thinks or doesn’t think about her husband. I do hope he doesn’t give her an STI because I highly doubt he’s given up his cheating ways. 

Did Josh ever cheat on Anna? We all know he was on Ashley Madison and then some porn star claimed she slept with him and said he was really violent with her & that she was gonna take him to court, but then she dropped it. Did she get paid off? Did she ever even meet Josh? Or did she just want her 5 minutes of fame? I don’t wanna be defending the guy, I think if he had the chance to cheat he would I just don’t think he ever did. Did Josh ever say I cheated on Anna? I know he said unfaithful but in their circles they think looking at porn is cheating right? 

9 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I know. "Sweet little family," as in "Bitch hasn't even yet delivered a third of the NINETEEN kids I delivered. Don't forget who is the Queen Bee around here."

I cannot wait for the day one of those kids pass 19 kids they better hope Michelle ain’t alive, she’ll be coming for them. 

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6 hours ago, Temperance said:

So JB and Michelle commented on the pregnancy announcement and said it's our 16th grandbaby! huh?

They have 12 born grandchildren - Josh 5, Jill 2,  Jessa 2, Joy 1, Joe 1, Jinger 1.

 Seewald #3 makes 13. 

Joe and Kendra #2 makes 14.

Either JB and Michelle got it wrong or someone else is pregnant due before Anna and hasn't announced.  I'm going with either Abbie or Lauren. 

 Well there's the Duggar math class in action  I bet you that she is including the miscarriage in the count 😀

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9 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Number 6 coming in the fall. ☹️

Called it. Ugh. 

This is an instance when I feel sorry for Smuggar. I think he's been over having babies since Marcus was born, but in his family and culture, birth control is the equivalent of murder. I think Smuggar is probably miserable even if he can't vocalize or acknowledge it to himself. 

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3 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

 Well there's the Duggar math class in action  I bet you that she is including the miscarriage in the count 😀

Then she should include the one that Anna miscarried, or has she forgotten. 

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12 hours ago, Puffin said:

Did Josh ever say I cheated on Anna? I know he said unfaithful but in their circles they think looking at porn is cheating right? 

Yes Josh cheated on/ was unfaithful to Anna- he admitted to it, actual cheating with his physical person not just looking at porn or being emotionally inappropriate. He was hooking up with women he met online while he was in DC (and likely before that). The Ashley Madison site is just the one that got hacked which made him confess publicly. Ashley Madison was a hook up site for married people who didn’t want to get caught (rather than single people maybe looking for something after the hook up) but it’s not the only site out there. He was also on OkCupid.....

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4 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Yes Josh cheated on/ was unfaithful to Anna- he admitted to it, actual cheating with his physical person not just looking at porn or being emotionally inappropriate. He was joking up with women he met online while he was in DC (and likely before that). The Ashley Madison site is just the one that got hacked which made him confess publicly. Ashley Madison was a hook up site for married people who didn’t want to get caught (rather than single people maybe looking for something after the hook up) but it’s not the only site out there. He was also on OkCupid.....

When did Josh admit he physically cheated? All I've ever read is that the devil built a fortress in his heart. 

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17 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

When did Josh admit he physically cheated? All I've ever read is that the devil built a fortress in his heart. 

In his statement where he stated he had been a huge hypocrite and unfaithful to his wife though meeting women from various websites. Ashley Madison leaked his name but he admitted to others (websites). Ashely Madison was the scandal because it was specifically for married persons looking to cheat and they had his credit card info.

Also- no one goes to a website for hook ups just to look at pornography (film) or nude photos. You do that to MEET others and have sex in the flesh. Why visit such a website if your purpose was not to be unfaithful aka cheat aka commit adultery? Even if Josh never admitted to physically cheating, the fact that he did is 99.9% evident from his behavior and his time in Jesus Jail. Wasn’t he gone 6months? That was penitence for actual sex not looking at pornography (which I’m sure a lot of fundy men do quietly on the side and don’t get sent off to Jesus Jail for it). 

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Smugs may not have physically cheated, but it looks like he emotionally cheated. Does that make sense? My one brother-in-law did the same thing. Of course being married to the wicked bitch aka one of my husband's sister, and I can see why he was tempted. I do not approve of what he did, but after being around her I can see in a way why it happened.

My million dollar question is what if the table was turn and Anna was the one "cheating" Would she be toss aside like an old shoe and lose any rights to see her kids, and would she be disowned by her family.

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36 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

My million dollar question is what if the table was turn and Anna was the one "cheating" Would she be toss aside like an old shoe and lose any rights to see her kids, and would she be disowned by her family.

Tossed asides, shunned, publicly humiliated. You know forgiveness is only for the men folk. 

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I do think Anna wants this baby, so congrats to her.  I'm sure her children are what give life meaning for her.  I also think she is a good mother.

I can't imagine living with Josh, but maybe he and Anna have an understanding and he is truly sorry for what he did.  I do feel a tiny (very tiny) bit sorry for Josh because maybe he would not have done what he did if he lived in a household that didn't treat normal sexual urges like sins.  It does not excuse any of his behaviors but I imagine it would be difficult to grow up the way he did.

I also wonder if he really knew Anna well before they married or if they got married because his parents thought it was a good idea and it was simply expected of him.

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7 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Tossed asides, shunned, publicly humiliated. You know forgiveness is only for the men folk. 

I secretly hope she finds another man who would step up to the plate to take care of her and the kids, treats her and the kids well, loves her and the kids, and works hard and does not feel the need to "cheat" on her, and is not a man who hides behind his parents and religion when he does something wrong along with blaming the devil for it. A man who treats women with kindness and respect, and does calls out others for the way they live their lives while he is the one who is total ass and has his own dirty little secrets.  I seriously doubt it will actually happen, but a person can always hope.

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1 minute ago, lucy711 said:

I do think Anna wants this baby, so congrats to her.  I'm sure her children are what give life meaning for her.  I also think she is a good mother.

I can't imagine living with Josh, but maybe he and Anna have an understanding and he is truly sorry for what he did.  I do feel a tiny (very tiny) bit sorry for Josh because maybe he would not have done what he did if he lived in a household that didn't treat normal sexual urges like sins.  It does not excuse any of his behaviors but I imagine it would be difficult to grow up the way he did.

I also wonder if he really knew Anna well before they married or if they got married because his parents thought it was a good idea and it was simply expected of him.

There are millions of people who had crappy childhood, but it does give them the right to molest their siblings or "cheat" on their spouse. I bet Josh would have turn out to be a total ass even if he had a normal decent childhood. I also think he is sorry because he got caught, and is not sorry for what he did aka the devil made me do it or I was just curious about sex and the female body. Anna was "given" to Josh because his idiot parents thought it would cure his needs.

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1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

In his statement where he stated he had been a huge hypocrite and unfaithful to his wife though meeting women from various websites. Ashley Madison leaked his name but he admitted to others (websites). Ashely Madison was the scandal because it was specifically for married persons looking to cheat and they had his credit card info.

Also- no one goes to a website for hook ups just to look at pornography (film) or nude photos. You do that to MEET others and have sex in the flesh. Why visit such a website if your purpose was not to be unfaithful aka cheat aka commit adultery? Even if Josh never admitted to physically cheating, the fact that he did is 99.9% evident from his behavior and his time in Jesus Jail. Wasn’t he gone 6months? That was penitence for actual sex not looking at pornography (which I’m sure a lot of fundy men do quietly on the side and don’t get sent off to Jesus Jail for it). 

From what I've read about Ashley Madison, the website itself appeared to be a scam. Something like 90% of the members were married men. And one article I read said the 10% of female members were paid by the site.

I have a feeling that Josh has never had sex with anybody other than Anna. I'm guessing he probably would have if given the opportunity, but never actually did.

I believe Josh's time in Jesus Jail was threefold: public penance, rebuilding his marriage and because his ilk believe all sins are created equal.

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19 hours ago, dargosmydaddy said:

Jebus fucking christ, indoor voices, please!

I hate when people use seasons like Anna. Aside from the fact it’s not right for the Southern Hemisphere (it’s already fall, and it’s not called fall, it’s called autumn), three months is too large to be any sort of remotely specific date. 

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11 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

There are millions of people who had crappy childhood, but it does give them the right to molest their siblings or "cheat" on their spouse. I bet Josh would have turn out to be a total ass even if he had a normal decent childhood. I also think he is sorry because he got caught, and is not sorry for what he did aka the devil made me do it or I was just curious about sex and the female body. Anna was "given" to Josh because his idiot parents thought it would cure his needs.

If I could like this post a million times I would. Yes, Josh's crappy childhood is no excuse for him to molest his sisters, the poor fifth victim and cheat on his wife. I also agree he's only sorry he got caught and the evil media for making him lose his job and spot on the show. I really don't think he's sorry for what he did or that he hurt his sisters. Because of the way he's acted since then. He went on to be smug, arrogant, bastard who made gross comments about his sisters and accused other groups of molesting and cheated on his wife while he was held up as an example of a good Christian boy. That's not someone who is sorry about what he's done.  

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15 hours ago, OpieTaylor said:

Their “best days are still ahead” per JB & M - wtf does that mean? If they had “only” had 5 kids, the best days were over? They’d peaked and just had to muddle through from now on? WTF

It just means: Hey haters their marriage is A-OK! They are happier THAN EVER!

15 hours ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

If Anna doesn’t have a baby around, then she’ll have more time for her husband. Or she’ll have to admit the marriage can’t take another child. She’ll keep reproducing as long as she can. 

Poor Anna likely believes that Josh's indiscretions are party -- or even mostly -- her fault. If she has bought into that twisted logic, the it's in her own interest to show the world that she has solved the problem. More babies means she's meeting her husband's needs, which is pretty much her #1 job as a good wife.

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Well, this forum is aptly named, “A series of unfortunate events.”

That being said, Anna does a good job with the little ones. They look scrubbed clean and nicely dressed. They seem animated and engaged. IMO she’s a good mother.

Anna  loves being a mom, the kids are happy, nobody’s starving and they have a roof over their heads. The trade-off is living with Josh.

We don’t know what goes on in her head. What would be her choices if she left?Would her parents living in a trailer take her and her kids? Would JB threaten to take away her kids? No job, no money of her own, no skills, where would she go? Anna has no choice.

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1 hour ago, Kbo said:

After only a month on the market they’ve dropped the price of their house by $10,000. Its a 5-bedroom house, it doesn’t seem like they should be out of space. Are they desperate for money?

https://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/anna-and-josh-duggar-drop-price-on-arkansas-farmhouse?cid=psc_uu_fb_evo_editorial_cel&content_id=fb%3A3vh.hiugs6m32xoj27ydxsxpb2eepjzmx7ib.nb2hi4dthixs653xo4xhezlbnr2g64romnxw2lzvgeztamjx

I'm thinking desperate for money. Josh was banking on getting a big settlement from that lawsuit and it didn't happen. I think whatever savings he had from his FRC money has run out, hence selling the house and slinking back to Boob. 

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31 minutes ago, bythelake said:

Well, this forum is aptly named, “A series of unfortunate events.”

That being said, Anna does a good job with the little ones. They look scrubbed clean and nicely dressed. They seem animated and engaged. IMO she’s a good mother.

Anna  loves being a mom, the kids are happy, nobody’s starving and they have a roof over their heads. The trade-off is living with Josh.

We don’t know what goes on in her head. What would be her choices if she left?Would her parents living in a trailer take her and her kids? Would JB threaten to take away her kids? No job, no money of her own, no skills, where would she go? Anna has no choice.

There is nothing wrong with living in a mobile home. Lots of people do it on a daily basis. To me, it is a lot better than being in debt for twenty to thirty years paying off a mortgage along with a lot more cost to keep a house well maintained.

A lot of single mothers take care of themselves and their kids also. They sometime struggle, but there is help out there. My one sister-in-law lost her husband after he took a second fall off a grain freight train car at work and had a stroke before of after the fall. She was not working at the time, but she manage to keep her and her two sons going with some help from family and friends.

I believe Anna's brother offered her help, but she did not take it. She has been told to go along with what Smugs wants and he is leader of the family, so if he wants her and the kids to stay with him, they stay with him.

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11 hours ago, Heathen said:

Called it. Ugh. 

This is an instance when I feel sorry for Smuggar. I think he's been over having babies since Marcus was born, but in his family and culture, birth control is the equivalent of murder. I think Smuggar is probably miserable even if he can't vocalize or acknowledge it to himself. 

I don't feel sorry for him. He is a grown man and should be well aware of how to obtain birth control. If he won't do that because he loves daddy's money and has to do whatever JB says, maybe he should grow up and provide for his family on his own. He put himself in this situation. He had choices.

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3 minutes ago, KittyCat19 said:

I don't feel sorry for him. He is a grown man and should be well aware of how to obtain birth control. If he won't do that because he loves daddy's money and has to do whatever JB says, maybe he should grow up and provide for his family on his own. He put himself in this situation. He had choices.

It isn't that easy. Imagine walking away from your family of origin, your religion, your culture, your hometown, and everything you've been taught. It takes a far stronger and more intelligent person than Smuggar, not to mention that he'd go from financially comfortable to destitute without his family's money. Smuggar really doesn't have many choices now. 

I've done it, albeit without the family money issue. It was and still is hard. 

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It would be nearly impossible for Anna to leave. No job skills , minimum wage doesn’t pay much. Who would help her with child care? Public assistance is not enough for her to pick up her life.  She would need 3 months rent in her pocket before she can leave. 

She will never leave first. Josh would have to file for divorce first. And Josh won’t do that.

Anna is stuck. And I honestly don’t think she wants to divorce.

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20 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

There is nothing wrong with living in a mobile home. Lots of people do it on a daily basis. To me, it is a lot better than being in debt for twenty to thirty years paying off a mortgage along with a lot more cost to keep a house well maintained.

A lot of single mothers take care of themselves and their kids also. They sometime struggle, but there is help out there. My one sister-in-law lost her husband after he took a second fall off a grain freight train car at work and had a stroke before of after the fall. She was not working at the time, but she manage to keep her and her two sons going with some help from family and friends.

I believe Anna's brother offered her help, but she did not take it. She has been told to go along with what Smugs wants and he is leader of the family, so if he wants her and the kids to stay with him, they stay with him.

I’m not criticizing the mobile home, I just meant  that it would be cramped with (at the time of the scandals) 5? more people. That’s if the Keller’s even wanted them. And was her brother able to accommodate her and the 4 kids she had at the time? Wasn’t he going through a divorce ?

I became a single parent  of two but they were a little older than Anna’s oldest and they were in school. I changed my working hours to nights so I could sleep while they were in school and day camp in the summer. It was hard, but I had a home, a profession and a wonderful mom who helped a lot. With the right tools and support it can be done. Anna has none of that.

I think Anna realized she had few options. She could go into the scary world, find someone to watch 4 young children, and work at CFA, or stay with Josh,have a comfortable home and have her children taken care of. She swallowed her pride and made the best of it. Now that she will be having the 6th, there’s no going back.

I also think that while Josh was in Jesus jail,JB might have threatened,cajoled and begged Anna to stay because of the family brand and made her feel as if she had no other choice but to stay with Josh. I think she made the choice to forgive him for the sake of her children. That’s all. She’s not going anywhere.

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3 hours ago, kokapetl said:

Jebus fucking christ, indoor voices, please!

I hate when people use seasons like Anna. Aside from the fact it’s not right for the Southern Hemisphere (it’s already fall, and it’s not called fall, it’s called autumn), three months is too large to be any sort of remotely specific date. 

Mechelle narrowed it down to November.

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Mechelle narrowed it down to November.

I was just about to post this. Although it must be early November if they're already announcing. I don't think they've narrowed down Joe and Kendra's date to a month (although speculation is October). 

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1 hour ago, Heathen said:

It isn't that easy. Imagine walking away from your family of origin, your religion, your culture, your hometown, and everything you've been taught. It takes a far stronger and more intelligent person than Smuggar, not to mention that he'd go from financially comfortable to destitute without his family's money. Smuggar really doesn't have many choices now. 

I've done it, albeit without the family money issue. It was and still is hard. 

I understand what you are saying, but he still is an ass. A lot of people leave family behind aka joining the military, school, job etc. etc. without family being around to help them out or without financial support. If he could survive D.C. without his family around to hold his hands, he could have went out and try something else. I think JB wants to keep a close eye on him to make sure he does not make anymore serious mistakes because the family name is so much more important.

In the case of Anna, there are a lot of women in the same boat she is in, and they survived.  My aunt was pregnant with baby number six, already had four daughters and her oldest and only son had special needs (he is quite a guy and has it more together than all the Duggars put together and is higher functioning disabled) when my uncle was killed in a car accident in 1973. She struggled, but she was able to keep going and tried her hardest to keep herself and her family together even with my grandparents and other family members and some friends to help her at times. She was more of mother to me than my own, and I miss her a lot.

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3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

From what I've read about Ashley Madison, the website itself appeared to be a scam. Something like 90% of the members were married men. And one article I read said the 10% of female members were paid by the site.

I have a feeling that Josh has never had sex with anybody other than Anna. I'm guessing he probably would have if given the opportunity, but never actually did.

I believe Josh's time in Jesus Jail was threefold: public penance, rebuilding his marriage and because his ilk believe all sins are created equal.

Do they really think all sins are created equal though? Cheating and abuse is equal to say, lying? Because all of them lie on a regular basis.

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4 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

Do they really     think all sin should are created equal though? Cheating is equal to say, lying? 

They seem to think Smugs cheating and looking at porn is a lot worse than molesting his sisters in their sick twisted way of thinking. Boggles the mind does it not.

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1 hour ago, bigskygirl said:

They seem to think Smugs cheating and looking at porn is a lot worse than molesting his sisters in their sick twisted way of thinking. Boggles the mind does it not.

I believe they think, and thought, the molestations were horrid as well. He had a similar punishment by his parents when he was barely a teen. It just wasn't played out in the media in live time. And when the media did catch wind of it years had passed.

Josh is scum and is lucky Anna is still married to him. The one thing has she has going for her is she seems to be a good mom. I feel bad for her and the kids when the time comes that she'll need to explain Josh's behavior. They probably idolize him. The devastation they'll feel when they find out what he has done is going to be huge.

I doubt neither Josh nor Anna is preparing for when children find out. There's no doubt in my mind that they will find out. If no one has left the cult by then, one or all of the Ms might be the one(s). They'll be simultaneously close enough to it all and far enough removed from it all to have a different perspective.

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2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

They seem to think Smugs cheating and looking at porn is a lot worse than molesting his sisters in their sick twisted way of thinking. Boggles the mind does it not.

We need a vomit emoji here. 

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30 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I believe they think, and thought, the molestations were horrid as well. He had a similar punishment by his parents when he was barely a teen. It just wasn't played out in the media in live time. And when the media did catch wind of it years had passed.

Josh is scum and is lucky Anna is still married to him. The one thing has she has going for her is she seems to be a good mom. I feel bad for her and the kids when the time comes that she'll need to explain Josh's behavior. They probably idolize him. The devastation they'll feel when they find out what he has done is going to be huge.

I doubt neither Josh nor Anna is preparing for when children find out. There's no doubt in my mind that they will find out. If no one has left the cult by then, one or all of the Ms might be the one(s). They'll be simultaneously close enough to it all and far enough removed from it all to have a different perspective.

 I do not think it was his curiosity and it happened in every other family out there speaks horrid to me. They covered it up in order to get a show. His punishment of being sent away for a short time and was able to come back and be around his sisters is not punishment enough for what he did. Of course now he is paying the price for it. I personally love the fact he is not able to sue because he should not capitalize on what he did. Karma is biting him in the behind. The sad fact is Anna and the kids are paying for it.

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34 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I feel bad for her and the kids when the time comes that she'll need to explain Josh's behavior. They probably idolize him. The devastation they'll feel when they find out what he has done is going to be huge.

I doubt neither Josh nor Anna is preparing for when children find out. There's no doubt in my mind that they will find out. If no one has left the cult by then, one or all of the Ms might be the one(s). They'll be simultaneously close enough to it all and far enough removed from it all to have a different perspective.

Honestly when one of the little Ms find out, shit is gonna hit the fan. I can see a few of them leaving and Anna & Josh won’t be able to stop it. They’d be truly disgusted with Josh and start to question everything, I hope they all leave and then I hope Anna goes too,unless she wants to be stuck with that sicko for life. 

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Just now, Puffin said:

Honestly when one of the little Ms find out, shit is gonna hit the fan. I can see a few of them leaving and Anna & Josh won’t be able to stop it. They’d be truly disgusted with Josh and start to question everything, I hope they all leave and then I hope Anna goes too,unless she wants to be stuck with that sicko for life. 


They probably will tell the kids it was the devil who made him do it, he was curious about girls and sex, he is sorry he did it, Ma and Pa Stupid took care of it, and he has been "cured" of his bad deeds.

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4 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:


They probably will tell the kids it was the devil who made him do it, he was curious about girls and sex, he is sorry he did it, Ma and Pa Stupid took care of it, and he has been "cured" of his bad deeds.

Uh they make me feel sick, no way can they justify what Josh did with their BS. One of those kids isn’t gonna be fooled and will leave, I can’t wait.

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14 minutes ago, Puffin said:

Honestly when one of the little Ms find out, shit is gonna hit the fan. I can see a few of them leaving and Anna & Josh won’t be able to stop it. They’d be truly disgusted with Josh and start to question everything, I hope they all leave and then I hope Anna goes too,unless she wants to be stuck with that sicko for life. 

I think they're going to stick with the "curious about girls and it was above the clothes while they were sleeping" story and claim the Evil Liberal Media blew it out of proportion. The Ashley Madison stuff will be explained away because moving to the Big City and away from his family allowed the devil to build that fortress. As long as Josh never gets caught again, the big story they'll push on the kids is how God forgave Josh and healed him, and how strong their Godly marriage became after all the trials and tribulations.  The M-kids don't seem to be around any other kids but their cousins and they aren't going to be allowed unsupervised access to the Internet, so by the time they find out about Josh's "sins", they'll be completely brainwashed that it's all a conspiracy against Christianity and the Duggars.

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