S08.E18: Body Of Evidence

[ryebread]

14 minutes ago, ivygirl said:

Good gravy. Did I hear Sonja and Carole refer to the situation at the party as a "worldwind"? 

Yes, you did.  But it wasn't Sonja.  It was Writer Girl who said it.  Twice.  Worldwind.

[WireWrap]

Wow, Bethenny has a blog this week, if you can call it a blog that is. It is all of 5 sentences long. LOL Of course it is about wanting to know or not know and that it is up to "friends" to tell you. She is not Luann's friend, seriously does she think we are all deaf, dumb and blind? http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-new-york-city/season-8/blogs/bethenny-frankel/bethenny-frankel-would-you-want

[njbchlover]

42 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

WWHL - Jules looked amazing.  A good haircut and I loved her outfit.  Good for her.

They could have edited this episode down to fifteen minutes.  Oh pleaze Sonja.  You were FWB.  Not his ex.  Neither were you Ro.  Build a bridge and get over it.  I didn't see Tom flirting with either one.  He wanted both of you to go away.  Understandable.

So apparently, one of Beth's spies saw Tom making out with a former playboy bunny?  Beth, the exaggerator, IMO spins this into an hour long make out session.  This is the same woman who bled all over everything and had the worst childhood ever.  Did Tom kiss this woman?  Probably.   Was it as Beth described?  I have my doubts.  And the texts came at two in the morning?  Beth must be desperate that someone would think it be ok to text at that time because no one texts me at two in the morning unless someone died or it's one of my kids in a situation.

Bottom line is that Lu and Tom are still together so Beth's revelation really isn't all that relevant.  I wonder if next episode the women will be expected to kiss her hand when she summons them to her room.  BTW, was it me or did Beth look pretty anorexic when she came into the room in that bikini?  And course, Beth has to discuss Tom before telling Lu because it 'has' to be about Beth.

Ro, take a seat.  You can't dance....at all.

The only way I will believe that there was an hour-long make out session between Tom and the former Playboy bunny (I wonder in what year that could have been, since Tom seems to like women close to his own age) is if, instead of just photos, Bethenny has a time stamped video of sixty minutes worth of tonsil hockey between them.  

Also interesting that Bethenny had to tell both Ramona and Carole, when she specifically said to Carole on the phone that she wanted to see Carole ALONE before she saw anyone else.

Another thing I found interesting is that Bethenny also had the other information about Tom, that he really has "no money of his own - there's some family thing going on, and he will only date older women with more money, and they pay for everything".  Even if she did hear that, why feel the need to repeat it, ON CAMERA?  To embarrass Tom even more?  Does she, who claims to be sooo honest, know this for fact?  And, if she's over trying to be close friends with Luann, doesn't really like Luann, doesn't want to be iinvolved, and just wants to keep things cordial and light, WHY THE FUCK DOES SHE EVEN CARE?????

Edited August 4, 2016 by njbchlover

[izabella]

3 minutes ago, njbchlover said:

To embarrass Tom even more?

I think she's doing it to embarrass Lu.  Tom is just fodder.

[ivygirl]

6 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Yes, you did.  But it wasn't Sonja.  It was Writer Girl who said it.  Twice.  Worldwind.

Wow. Carole and Teresa have many things in common. Books, and excellent elocution.

[straightshooter]

2 hours ago, snarts said:

I don't know about you, but i always wear a bikini when I'm bleeding out buckets of blood...

Luann's dress the day after the party was gorgeous and she looked fabulous in it. Meanwhile, Ramona in her bathing suit & sarong looked like a stuffed peanut.  I must've watched her dance for a solid a 10 minutes though.  I have to thank her for that.

Sorry Bethenny, if your concern was truly luann and her feelings, you would've told her when you had the chance.  Telling Carole & Ramona is bullshit you gossipy bitch.  Own your own shit and stay out of other folks lives you miserable twat.

Oh my God, I'm glad I'm not the only one.  I am only half way through and I've been trying to watch for over an hour and a half.  I cannot stop rewinding and I am laughing so hard I am bawling.  Her "dancing" and crashing into the other poor, unsuspecting lady on the "dance floor" was one of the best things I've seen in ages.  Once I finally stopped watching that, I had to keep rewinding to try to translate what Dorinda said in her second language.

I am so very embarassed for how pathetic and desperate both Ramona and Sonja acted when they were around Tom, though.  Good Lord, did they make fools of themselves.   Ramona's attempts at flirting has to make men feel like they're being Punk'd.   How does that woman EVER get dates?  It's definitely not those ready-to-burst boobs of hers... 

I'm sure I'll be back with more if I can finally get through this damn thing.  This one is killing me - you seriously can't make this stuff up.

[Sheenieb]

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And Bethany, who are your friends that are taking clandestine photos at a bar and texting people at 2:00 a.m. with the incriminating evidence!??

I'm saying! If a "friend" interrupted my slumber to send me text messages about someone I was only industry cool with, I'd be like:

Bethenny needs new friends.

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Honestly, I kind of get Sonja. I recently heard through the grapevine that an ex of mine (one who I dated for several years and lived with for a time) just got engaged and it brought up all sorts of weird, unexpected emotions.

But that makes sense. You had an actual relationship. Sonja was only smashing Tom. I still think that she's only in her feelings about it because she didn't get wife'd up. I don't doubt that if the roles were reversed, Sonja would be flashing her ring up in everyone's face, too.

[bichonblitz]

49 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

So apparently, one of Beth's spies saw Tom making out with a former playboy bunny? 

 So this 'friend" of  Bethenny's just happens to know this chick was a former playboy bunny? It really must be a small world on the island of Manhattan. Something's fishy. 

 

54 minutes ago, breezy424 said:

BTW, was it me or did Beth look pretty anorexic when she came into the room in that bikini?  

She looked horrific! I know she's been sick but damn that buckets of blood disease has really taken a toll on her looks. She needs to never utter another word about Jules skinny ass ever again. 

[njbchlover]

10 minutes ago, Sheenieb said:

I'm saying! If a "friend" interrupted my slumber to send me text messages about someone I was only industry cool with, I'd be like:

Bethenny needs new friends.

But that makes sense. You had an actual relationship. Sonja was only smashing Tom. I still think that she's only in her feelings about it because she didn't get wife'd up. I don't doubt that if the roles were reversed, Sonja would be flashing her ring up in everyone's face, too.

I agree with you totally about Sonja and her "feelings" - most of which were fueled by Ramona's constant harping to Sonja that she should feel someway about the whole thing.  All of sudden, Sonja is the broken-hearted poor "secret" love of Tom's life.  As Dorinda would say - back that shit up.  Dorinda hit the nail on the head when she said that Sonja and Tom only had sex together at the end of the night when they both had too much to drink.  There was no relationship there, at all.  

I will say, however, that even I, who is usually a fan of Luann's, am really, really sick and tired of hearing her say "I'M GETTING MARRIED!!!!" in that squeal-y tween voice that is really beneath her.  If I did a shot every time Luann said the word "married" tonight, I would have been passed out cold about 1/2 through the episode.  

32 minutes ago, Talky Tina said:

Yes, he called her citrus.  Sour, bitter grapefruit. 

Ramona looked more like a rotten kiwi fruit with that fugly brown dress she was wearing~~brown and fuzzy on the outside, and green (with envy) on the inside.   ;-)

Edited August 4, 2016 by njbchlover

[Trooper York]

Did you guys see Jules with the band in the preview of next week?

 

i think that's what they call the Crusty Trombone.

[Irritable]

I feel that a lot of this episode could have been edited out to make room for more footage of Ramona's spectacularly horrible dancing.  Those lessons she took are really paying off!

[njbchlover]

Can I ask all of you a question?  

When you are staying at an apparent 5-star hotel (or any hotel, for that matter), do you normally walk back to your room, presumably take an elevator, and walk through enclosed public spaces in just your bikini or bathing suit?  Wouldn't you wear some type of cover-up, shorts, or t-shirt over your bathing suit?

Bethenny entered her room from the hallway, I'm assuming she just came from the pool or beach.  She was only wearing her bikini, and carrying that beach tote that was so large that if she put the straps over head, would have covered her completely.

I just thought it was odd that she put her cover-up on once she was in her room.  Was this because the cameras were there and she wanted to show off her body, which doesn't look as good as it used to?   It seemed just a tad attention-whorish to me.

[AuntiePam]

I doubt that Lu and Tom have really deep feelings about each other,* and I realize that Lu signed up for this (reality TV), but I still feel kinda bad for her, based on the previews.  I also feel bad that I'm kinda looking forward to seeing her being taken down a notch or two.  I think a lot of her joy is because she snagged a guy that dated two of her "friends" first. 

*All she can say about him is that "he's a great guy", "we're soulmates" -- those aren't qualities.  And Tom, he just seems like he wants to get it over with.

[CaliCat]

2 hours ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Ramona, boo?  you have no idea what the word flirting means.  The first time you and Tom met, he was hitting on your girlfriend, a.  you happened to be in proximity, b.  when he finally noticed you, he called you lazy, c.    Andplusalso?  A man telling you you smell like a grapefruit is not the equivalent of unrequited lust.  He literally said you're reminiscent of citrus.    Now had he called you the coconut we all know you to be, I'd be forced to stop sideyeing him immedately.

Luann, the white dress was damn near* sublime.     *the dinner napkins stapled to each arm.  Why?  She looks amazing in white though.

Baby when Ramona goes from dulcet tones to approaching apeshitosity?  It's why God made Wednesdays.   Lu said keep my man's name outcha mouth bitch or swim home!   Ro said keep my name out the papers bitch, I'm an undercover ho.  Describing it to the girls later - "shut your gottam mouth, I said"  ROTFLMAO!!!

Tom smooth walking off on Sonja was the funniest/shittiest thing I've seen tonight.  No wait, Lu bounce-singing I can't believe I'm getting married when Sonja congratulated her, that is the funniest/shittiest thing I've seen tonight.   Girl?  we knoooooow, it's kind of why we're here.

Dorinda, you're my spirit animal.  I'm also a slurry drunk and do favor a nightgown.  You can throw all the elbows you want to, I will always love you for the following:   They were making love late at night after drinking heavily.  We're not crying over that.   Did ya'll start that GoFundMe yet?  Because I'm gonna need more change for that Pucci romper.

Bethenny.  Smh.  The Terrible Awful?  She doesn't wanna know and more importantly it isn't making a difference.  {{stagewhispers}} but yall?  it's about to be goooood lol.

Michael, you've been on screen like 12 minutes the whole season and have managed to look like the franchise's worst dad ever.  That's including two convicted felons and several dirty stay outs.   In other news, your wife seems like a lot a fun when she doesn't have you to keep track of.  I'd like her to make me a Fandango. 

Can we talk about the catdaddy who sidled up Sonja?  #bowchickawowwow

That's too much goodness for one post. You're spoiling us!  Maybe you should dole out this awesomeness over a couple of days. It's like eating a whole pound of See's candy in one sitting. :-)

[njbchlover]

3 hours ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

Ramona, boo?  you have no idea what the word flirting means.  The first time you and Tom met, he was hitting on your girlfriend, a.  you happened to be in proximity, b.  when he finally noticed you, he called you lazy, c.    Andplusalso?  A man telling you you smell like a grapefruit is not the equivalent of unrequited lust.  He literally said you're reminiscent of citrus.    Now had he called you the coconut we all know you to be, I'd be forced to stop sideyeing him immedately.

Luann, the white dress was damn near* sublime.     *the dinner napkins stapled to each arm.  Why?  She looks amazing in white though.

Baby when Ramona goes from dulcet tones to approaching apeshitosity?  It's why God made Wednesdays.   Lu said keep my man's name outcha mouth bitch or swim home!   Ro said keep my name out the papers bitch, I'm an undercover ho.  Describing it to the girls later - "shut your gottam mouth, I said"  ROTFLMAO!!!

Tom smooth walking off on Sonja was the funniest/shittiest thing I've seen tonight.  No wait, Lu bounce-singing I can't believe I'm getting married when Sonja congratulated her, that is the funniest/shittiest thing I've seen tonight.   Girl?  we knoooooow, it's kind of why we're here.

Dorinda, you're my spirit animal.  I'm also a slurry drunk and do favor a nightgown.  You can throw all the elbows you want to, I will always love you for the following:   They were making love late at night after drinking heavily.  We're not crying over that.   Did ya'll start that GoFundMe yet?  Because I'm gonna need more change for that Pucci romper.

Bethenny.  Smh.  The Terrible Awful?  She doesn't wanna know and more importantly it isn't making a difference.  {{stagewhispers}} but yall?  it's about to be goooood lol.

Michael, you've been on screen like 12 minutes the whole season and have managed to look like the franchise's worst dad ever.  That's including two convicted felons and several dirty stay outs.   In other news, your wife seems like a lot a fun when she doesn't have you to keep track of.  I'd like her to make me a Fandango. 

Can we talk about the catdaddy who sidled up Sonja?  #bowchickawowwow

I just wish I could like this post more than once, so I'm replying again, because you mentioned something from one of my all time favorite books and movies!!  

Bethenny is reminiscent of "Two Slice Hilly" (the mean girl part of Hilly - not the racist part).....   ;-)

Edited August 4, 2016 by njbchlover

[ivygirl]

5 minutes ago, CaliCat said:

That's too much goodness for one post. You're spoiling us!  Maybe you should dole out this awesomeness over a couple of days. It's like eating a whole pound of See's candy in one sitting. :-)

Don't you mean Skinnygirl TM Chocolate? ;)

 

Mmmmmmm. Seeeeeeeeeeee's.

[biakbiak]

Ramona seriously brought a clipping of that article to Palm Beach?

[film noire]

2 hours ago, breezy424 said:

 

Oh pleaze Sonja.  You were FWB.  Not his ex. 

Yes!  Swing low, sweet chariot, the sideshow between Sonja and Carole as they waxed poetic over Tom -- both of them playing Laura from "The Glass Menagerie", all winsome and lonely for a gentleman caller -- Carole blathering on about how "In another time, he would have been called your lovah." (WTF? In another time, the best case scenario for an unmarried woman caught drunk-humping a man for ten years would be a "whore" brand on her cheek and ending her days in The House of the Rising Sun -- oh, what a worldwind THAT would be! -- what universe does Carole live in? Bodice rippers? Deleted Joan Holloway & Roger scenes from Mad Men? Big Ethel in Riverdale? "Sure, I get drunk and Archie gets drunk and he drunk-fucks me and leaves -- but he's my LOVER, Veronica!") The "sexual revolution" was just that, a revolution, not a smidgeon of change around the edges of polite society. And good for Sonja for getting her needs met, but turning it into a quarter-to-three Sinatra tune is bullshit.  (She's just sorry he put a ring on it with Luann, and a cock ring on it with her.)

Fashion questions: Why was Carole wearing the tattered shroud of Ramses at the engagement party? 

The Papal Bed scene was such an ugly collection of pinched faces and sour motivations -- Ramona and Carole as eager as baby raptors to be fed live, squirming gossip straight from Bethenny's mouth (who -- in shades, muu muu and flat hair -- looked like a caricature of an aging Hollywood agent trying to close the one deal that would keep the studio from killing her career  -- "I LOVE LUANN -- LIKE MARY LOVED THE BABY JESUS, LIKE ALEX P. KEATON LOVED REAGAN, LIKE SONJA LOVED TOM -- BUT I HAVE TO DESTROY HER --  OKAY, TIME TO TAKE A VOTE!") And what a freak she was during that "Twenty Questions....or Death?" conversation with Lu.  Robotic,  but also watching with the eyes of  a lizard, flicking back and forth to catch prey: "Are you monogamous?"  (How I wish Luann had fucked with her, made her repeat the question over and over: "I'm sorry -- the party was so loud last night, my ears are still ringing  -- did you say you fucked a mongoose? Guess that explains the blood!") 

Edited August 4, 2016 by film noire

[zulualpha]

Bethany said Tom was so drunk at the Regency that he might not remember the evening.  Maybe it was a bachelor party for him given by the regulars and the bar.  Maybe the woman he was making out with was a stripper hired for the party.  If so it doesn't make Tom the catch of the year but it's none of Bethany's business and it was a seriously bitch move to try to humiliate Luann on camera.  I didn't think anyone could be a bigger asshole than Ramona but Bethany is a close second.  Both women went through bad break ups and seem determined to crush whatever happiness Luann has managed to piece together.  

[izabella]

12 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

Ramona seriously brought a clipping of that article to Palm Beach?

What?  You don't bring your scrapbook of tabloid clippings everywhere you go?

[zoeysmom]

So as it stands now these women have pretty marginal men on their lives.  Sonja and Ramona have make believe boyfriends at best.  Bethenny's boyfriend is married and apparently not filed for divorce or had the gumption to do so for the last six months, while she runs around sporting an engagement ring, Carole has do nothing Adam, Jules husband dumped her for someone else, and Luann has Tom.  Tom who now Bethenny is asserting is both hinky financially and cheating.

Carole is an idiot for encouraging the Tom was flirting with Ramona crap.  The guy looked like he was ready to flee.  Ramona was an idiot for saying Luann was trying to get between she and Tom.  Sonja is an idiot for claiming engaged Tom didn't have his flirt game on.  I don't know when Tom and Sonja did the deed but if they waited 10 years, it was probably anti-climatic and in any event BL.  Ramona saying while she was dating Tom, she was in a serious relationship and yet she was going to his apartment.  I guess the question remains who else was there?   

Carole appalled when Tom said his first fiancé,  he is 49 years old would it not be strange if didn't have a previous serious relationship?

I hope Luann has properly vetted Tom for his financial status.  Sonja asking if a guy's bank account matched hers.  Telling.

Ramona should have been pushed off the boat. 

Bethenny is unconscionable for her taking votes when she knew she had evidence that was incontrovertible.  I do question why someone photographed someone for 60 minutes making put in public.  Tom was wrong but these ladies do not seem to attract quality available men.

[biakbiak]

1 minute ago, izabella said:

What?  You don't bring your scrapbook of tabloid clippings everywhere you go?

I like to pack light! Just take screenshots of articles on my phone! 

I still don't understand why she brought the whole paper in addition to the clipping, isn't the point of clippings* that you dont need the whole paper?

*not that there is any real point to physical clippings in 2016.

[bagatelle]

3 hours ago, izabella said:

I felt like there was so much acting in this episode.  Is that just me? 

I was thinking that! Ramona and Sonja are going by some script and Beth was also doing her part. This is all for the show, isn't it.

[Lemons]

3 hours ago, cuphead said:

I used to go to the Regency A LOT and have never seen any of these people.

What type of crowd is it?  I never knew there were so many people over 50 picking each other up at bars.  Most people I know in NYC are done with picking up dates at bars by a certain age a whole lot younger than these people. 

And that was a lot of fake hair attachments on that boat!  I loved Carole's dress, but not on her. 

[ryebread]

2 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Bottom line is that Lu and Tom are still together so Beth's revelation really isn't all that relevant. 

But Lu hasn't yet experienced the public humiliation, via social media and the tabs, that will rain down on her and Tom's heads after next week's epi. 

She's thick skinned but these are also very shallow people we're talking about.  I think it is still yet to be determined if there's going to be a wedding or not. I'm still saying 'nope'.  If all this is true about Tom, privately they may have tried to move on, but once her Instagram, Twitter, et al is ablaze with what a turd he is and how she deserves better...I dunno.  She's thick skinned but she's also proud. We'll see, but I say she kicks him to the curb. 

Good thing she didn't spring for stamps and actual stationary for their Save the Date.

Maybe the reason he took her on the worldwind European vacation was to love her up so she wouldn't dump him after Beth's revelation hits the airwaves next week.

[beesknees]

I just SMDH regarding Sonja crying over Tom picking LuAnn over her to make a life with.  Sigh.  My former best friend had a strictly "Friends with Limited Benefits" (no full-on intercourse) with a guy who told her the truth that he was a straight-up middle-aged man whore and a lifetime bachelor with no kids for a reason.  She was all like "Okay, I'm totally cool and I'm down with the situation" (even though she wanted to get married some day, have children).

When this guy started speaking to some of her friends, female acquaintances on social media, and actually started taking them out on occasional dates, sleep overs, and out of town vacations my friend went absolutely BSC psycho-crazy, like FULL-ON Single White Female to the Nth degree.  The guy never took my friend on proper dates or trips.  She was just the late night booty-call.

My friend demanded, was calling, texting the other females that they were forbidden to see the guy, etc. and everyone around her was like "Huh?  Yeah.  We won't be doing that."  Things spiraled waaaay out of control as in law enforcement had to get involved.  I couldn't reel my GF in no matter how hard I tried.  

I wound up having to permanently cut my friend out of my life because of it.  After two and a half years of her sobbing 100% every.single.time we either got together or spoke on the phone about this "nothing" POS (and he was) I had to tell my GF  that middle school ended decades ago for me and as a mature adult I would be cutting bait and putting our friendship on ice until she seeked professional help and talked to someone.

No way with that BS.  Too emotionally and physically exhausting for me.

I, for one, cannot do the FWB thing.  I tried twice and feelings just got in the way on my end.  IMHO Sonja's really good at the FWB arrangement for the most part, but I can relate that she's feeling some sort of way (like chopped liver, right Jules? :)  because after a 10 year situation with Tom he wanted to spend the rest of his life with Lu in less than 30 days flat.  I think I'd be feeling "less than" as well.  

I do realize Tom's not obligated to give Sonja an explanation or a head's up regarding dating Lu but after 10 years of intimacy on a regular basis I would think that there is some genuine level of friendship going on there and a brief courtesy sit-down with Sonya would have been the classy and gentlemanly thing to do.

Of course we are talking about Tom here.  A brief courtesy sit-down with Lu Ann would have been the classy and gentlemanly thing to do in regard to him having his tongue shoved down a Playboy bunny's throat in some bar two nights before his yacht engagement party, so there's that.

I don't even think Sonja's necessarily in love with Tom either.  Insert any guy she would have had a 10-year situation with and I think she'd feel the same.  Didn't Sonya say she wanted to get married again at some point?  I think Sonya's just overly sensitive at this time.  As many others have so eloquently posted before me I think many hidden emotions have now bubbled to the surface and she doesn't know how to deal with it.  Sonja is middle-aged, wanting a permanent partner, yet her GF got the canary diamond engagement ring (however cloudy it may be).  I hope Sonja doesn't start heavily drinking again to cope.

Dorinda reminding Sonja that she and Tom were not in a real relationship but just regularly got together after many drinks and made love was the correct way to point out the situation.  On the other hand, Ramona ....  Oh shit.  She was just stirring the pot and winding Sonja up.  I think Tom's a snake and some day I feel Sonja will look back on the entire situation and know she dodged a bald-headed bullet.

Edited August 4, 2016 by beesknees

[Talky Tina]

I haven't seen dancing as bad as Ramona's since Elaine Benes, all Ramona needed was some thumb action. 

[miss carousel]

I think Tom is skeevy, sleazy and sketchy as all feck. And I think he ain't got no money, honey. If he's really her soulmate and they have a lot in common it doesn't say much about Luann as a person. But at least Luann is good looking. And Sonja whoever from production is whispering in your ear(and feeding you your lines) that this is a good storyline for you isn't doing you any favors. Instead of playing the wounded bird you should be shouting "I never had sex with that guy! Even I haven't ever been that drunk!" 

That party was a party from hell! Who were those people? Carnies who were spending the winter in West Palm Beach? The guy who looked like Ben Stein in a fright wig had to be a thespian of some sort. And that pathetic stepped on depressing cake. I guess after renting the boat and hiring the extras production was running low on funds. They could have asked Doris's mom to make a perfectly nice sheet cake or had Adam make a nice raw vegan cake made from zucchini and sweetened with agave.

What kind of friends text you at two in the morning(and you on your sickbed!)? The paid minion kind, the mischief makers in production kind, the tabloid connection types you cultivate kind.

And then there's Ramona. I couldn't look away from her dancing though usually a display like that would fall under the heading of don't stare. She is a seriously weird person in every way, a complete and total freak. That's why she will always have a spot on this show. She doesn't have to have a storyline. All production has to do is unbuckle her monkey harness and let her loose. Dance! Dance!

[cuphead]

5 minutes ago, Lemons said:

What type of crowd is it?  I never knew there were so many people over 50 picking each other up at bars.  Most people I know in NYC are done with picking up dates at bars by a certain age a whole lot younger than these people. 

And that was a lot of fake hair attachments on that boat!  I loved Carole's dress, but not on her. 

The hotel and restaurant is located on the first floor of the Regency Hotel on Park Avenue. The bar is known to be a place for movers and shakers (big time banking, oil, and even met an aging magazine magnate there). Lots of networking going on and a lot of drinking. And a lot of fIirting of course.  A lot of these men were over 50 and many of the 70+ years old were still looking for sex. Whenever I went, I would usually go around 6-ish and stay until 9 and go to dinner.  The crowd changed a lot during that time so perhaps these women hit the Regency after 10 or something.  

Very masculine environment but there are definitely a lot of women there looking for a free drink or two and because of the clientele, there were always a couple of very high class escorts hanging around (drop-dead gorgeous).

Felt bad for one woman because she would always order a couple of martinis and tried to get into conversations with men but she was a known mess, so was usually politely ignored. Eventually, she would quietly leave.  She seemed really sad. Lots of wealthy Europeans, too (spent one evening talking to a S. American lady whose husband was a hotelier in France). A good amount of regulars and the bartenders are sharp.  After my second time I was there, they knew my drink and had it waiting for me when I walked in.

Never bothered to eat there (we always went somewhere else to eat) but the restaurant looked nice.

The bar area isn't big at all so you see everyone pretty easily .

When Larry David had some show on Broadway, I used to see him wandering around the hotel lobby a lot.  Never saw him in the bar.

[ryebread]

28 minutes ago, beesknees said:

IMHO Sonja's really good at the FWB arrangement for the most part but I can relate that she's feeling some sort of way (like chopped liver, right Jules? :)  because after a 10 year situation with Tom he wanted to spend the rest of his life with Lu in less than 30 days flat.

Well, on paper Lu is the better catch for Tom with $5 mill profit from the sale of her Bridgehampton house and a newly renovated home in Sag Harbor.  Plus an ugly, yet, marketable clothing line.

Sonja, on the other hand, has a crumbling manse next to a parking garage filled with cooking oil, stuffed animals and interns and a career that is going to the same place Carole's is. Nowhere.

If I had to choose, I'd pick Sonja.

[beesknees]

3 minutes ago, ryebread said:

Well, on paper Lu is the better catch for Tom with $5 mill profit from the sale of her Bridgehampton house and a newly renovated home in Sag Harbor.  Plus an ugly, yet, marketable clothing line.

Sonja, on the other hand, has a crumbling manse next to a parking garage filled with cooking oil, stuffed animals and interns and a career that is going to the same place Carole's is. Nowhere.

If I had to choose, I'd pick Sonja.

I always thought Sonja and Harry Dubin (sp?) seemed like a cute match.  He was another dude who was passed among the group if you know what I mean ;)    What ever happened to him? (not that I particularly want him back on my screen any time soon).

[yourmomiseasy]

Jules looked amazing on WWHL.  Divorce agrees with her.  Dorinda looked great too.

[RHOSingapore]

6 hours ago, Lucygirl2 said:

Here's one for you, Countess, truly elegant or classy people aren't on reality TV holding fruit….

OMG LucyGirl2 - THANK YOU SO MUCH for this hysterical quote!!!!  LOLOLOL!!!

[bref]

I looked up a picture of Jules on WWHL and she did indeed look beautiful. How was she at putting sentences together?

[CrinkleCutCat]

Hang on a minute.... How long ago did Sonja and Ol' Man Morgan split up? Was it (at least) 10 years ago?

[Lizzing]

3 hours ago, biakbiak said:

Ramona seriously brought a clipping of that article to Palm Beach?

LVP packed her bags, doncha know! :)  It doesn't surprise me in the least that she had an actual paper press clipping.  I expect Ramona has all of her press clippings in a scrap book.

I need some help from y'all with the steel trap memories of details.  As far as I understood it up until tonight, the story that Lu & the Count's "open marriage" was, while believable, a rumor that Lu has never confirmed publicly.  So, did Bethenny just out a years' long secret of Lu's for no real reason?  I get that Beth was attempting to make the open marriage secret relevant to Tom's alleged behavior at the hotel bar, but it still struck me as just another in a long line of side jabs at Luann.  Ugh, the whole last 15 minutes with Beth was just plain exhausting.  We all know she's a savvy reality tv personality and self produces; we know she knows all this "should I tell her what freaky texts blew up my phone?" shit is on camera and will make it to air.  We all know her source isn't some "friend who doesn't have a dog in this hunt" as she said last week.  It's either a tabloid source, a paid mole at the hotel bar, a lackey she's/Bravo's paid to stake out UES haunts, Sonja's facialist, or LisaR's hairstylist.  So, so damn fake...and hypocritical once again.  Wasn't it just a few weeks back that B admonished Jules not to use hearsay to attack her?

I thought it was interesting on WWHL it seemed that Dorinda was lightly critical of Bethenny.  Maybe she's crawling out of B's ass? Is there hope for her?  But, yeah, Jules did look good with shorter hair and healthier overall.

I'll admit that I liked the boat party for all that it wasn't: no screaming fights, insane drunk dancing, and an array of strange guests, none of which were George, Aviva's lecherous father.  That cake was just too sad though.  A prefab ice cream cake from DQ would have looked better.

[miss carousel]

If Dorinda is being even slightly critical of Bethenny publicly or seeming to show signs of any distancing of herself from Bethenny's backside I can only assume Bethenny made a complete ass/fool of herself at the reunion and in how she handled the Tom situation .

[charmed1]

9 hours ago, Straycat80 said:

 

Then she's crying, crying!!! Updeck about poor Sonja until she spies hot guys on a nearby boat and miraculously forgets about poor Sonja to act all sexy and yell flirty comment to the hot guys. 

But she was failing miserably at it. She looked like a total s***. Ramona is that one weird friend who ruins it for everybody. 

Speaking of spazzes. Bethenny busting through the hotel door and she-hulking in wearing a only a bikini, only then to put on her cover up after she's inside. Call me crazy, but I thought that was backwards. 

[escapetoreality]

Did the boat ever leave the dock at the yacht party? Pointless....

Kimberly looked a bit, well, nouveau?  Would love to see some scoop on that situation. 

[Straycat80]

5 hours ago, Talky Tina said:

I haven't seen dancing as bad as Ramona's since Elaine Benes, all Ramona needed was some thumb action. 

Lol! I was just going to post the same thing! Actually, I thought Elaine danced better than Ramona! 

[escapetoreality]

So that was easy. Her name is Kimberlie Scutti and her wealthy husband passed away at age 80 in 2014.  

[lasandi]

5 hours ago, beesknees said:

I just SMDH regarding Sonja crying over Tom picking LuAnn over her to make a life with.  Sigh.  My former best friend had a strictly "Friends with Limited Benefits" (no full-on intercourse) with a guy who told her the truth that he was a straight-up middle-aged man whore and a lifetime bachelor with no kids for a reason.  She was all like "Okay, I'm totally cool and I'm down with the situation" (even though she wanted to get married some day, have children).

When this guy started speaking to some of her friends, female acquaintances on social media, and actually started taking them out on occasional dates, sleep overs, and out of town vacations my friend went absolutely BSC psycho-crazy, like FULL-ON Single White Female to the Nth degree.  The guy never took my friend on proper dates or trips.  She was just the late night booty-call.

My friend demanded, was calling, texting the other females that they were forbidden to see the guy, etc. and everyone around her was like "Huh?  Yeah.  We won't be doing that."  Things spiraled waaaay out of control as in law enforcement had to get involved.  I couldn't reel my GF in no matter how hard I tried.  

I wound up having to permanently cut my friend out of my life because of it.  After two and a half years of her sobbing 100% every.single.time we either got together or spoke on the phone about this "nothing" POS (and he was) I had to tell my GF  that middle school ended decades ago for me and as a mature adult I would be cutting bait and putting our friendship on ice until she seeked professional help and talked to someone.

No way with that BS.  Too emotionally and physically exhausting for me.

I, for one, cannot do the FWB thing.  I tried twice and feelings just got in the way on my end.  IMHO Sonja's really good at the FWB arrangement for the most part, but I can relate that she's feeling some sort of way (like chopped liver, right Jules? :)  because after a 10 year situation with Tom he wanted to spend the rest of his life with Lu in less than 30 days flat.  I think I'd be feeling "less than" as well.  

I do realize Tom's not obligated to give Sonja an explanation or a head's up regarding dating Lu but after 10 years of intimacy on a regular basis I would think that there is some genuine level of friendship going on there and a brief courtesy sit-down with Sonya would have been the classy and gentlemanly thing to do.

Of course we are talking about Tom here.  A brief courtesy sit-down with Lu Ann would have been the classy and gentlemanly thing to do in regard to him having his tongue shoved down a Playboy bunny's throat in some bar two nights before his yacht engagement party, so there's that.

I don't even think Sonja's necessarily in love with Tom either.  Insert any guy she would have had a 10-year situation with and I think she'd feel the same.  Didn't Sonya say she wanted to get married again at some point?  I think Sonya's just overly sensitive at this time.  As many others have so eloquently posted before me I think many hidden emotions have now bubbled to the surface and she doesn't know how to deal with it.  Sonja is middle-aged, wanting a permanent partner, yet her GF got the canary diamond engagement ring (however cloudy it may be).  I hope Sonja doesn't start heavily drinking again to cope.

Dorinda reminding Sonja that she and Tom were not in a real relationship but just regularly got together after many drinks and made love was the correct way to point out the situation.  On the other hand, Ramona ....  Oh shit.  She was just stirring the pot and winding Sonja up.  I think Tom's a snake and some day I feel Sonja will look back on the entire situation and know she dodged a bald-headed bullet.

THIS is exactly how I feel also.  Thanks Beesknees.  I was heming and hawing how to put my feelings into words and you nailed it.

Also to Miss "I'mgettingmarried", " wanttoseethering", "we'regettingmarried" lather, rinse, repeat over and over Luanne.......hey, be cool, don't be all uncool.

[MyAimIsTrue]

10 hours ago, ZaldamoWilder said:

The Terrible Awful?

I love you just for this. (and read the rest of your post in Octavia Spencer's Minny Jackson voice)

[ghoulina]

Lu said her party was great because there was no fighting. True. But damn if that wasn't the most awkward yacht party ever. Tom looked SO freaking uncomfortable. Dorinda was wasted and giving unintelligible speeches. Sonja was flouncing around in barely anything on top. The owner of the yacht was clearly huffing helium in back. Jules was pouring alcohol all over the bar. Good times! 

I just have to say, that grapefruit comment did not sound flirty to me. It sounded merely observational. And, if anything, it had a tinge of teenager commenting on his mom smelling like an old lady. But leave it to Ramona to decide that Tom is now flirting with her. 

Don't get me wrong, I think Tom is likely a bit shady. I think Lu is too. Remember, this is the chick that cheated on her other fiance with a Pirate and went through all these crazy hoops to try and keep it under wraps. So whatever. Tom and Lu have chosen each other for whatever reason, just let them be. 

And I feel like Sonja would be fine with it if it weren't for Ramona. She will be all happy and breezy and then Ramona calls in and starts asking questions and trying to get Sonja to reminisce, and next thing you know Sonja is all misty eyed and sad. Yea, I see what you're doing, Ramona. 

Dorinda is playing her part as well. She's having a grand ol time gossiping, then runs upstairs and tells on the others! Well, at least she admits what she is doing. 

I loved when Ramona told Lu she was pissed about Lu talking to the press, because Moaner doesn't want the guys she's dating to know she dated Tom. Um, then why do YOU keep bringing it up on camera???? She's so full of shit. 

Jules's conversations with her family back home are so uncomfortable. First of all, why name your daughter "Rio" if you don't even know the difference between nina and nino? That's like Spanish 101. Also, Michael is shady as fuck and it sucks that she can't go out of town and rely on him to be there for his kids. I don't really care if she's manipulating the situation to get his flaws on camera, because he sucks. So there. 

[selhars]

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 It's either a tabloid source, a paid mole at the hotel bar, a lackey she's/Bravo's paid to stake out UES haunts, Sonja's facialist, or LisaR's hairstylist.  So, so damn fake...and hypocritical once again.  Wasn't it just a few weeks back that B admonished Jules not to use hearsay to attack her?

Forgive my ignorance, but don't you need a person's phone number to text them.

I doubt Beth's phone number is public knowledge. So unless you're just saying flat out that Bethenny is behind this info being collected, how would half of these "sources" text her the info. Would Sonja's facialist have Beth's phone number, would Lisa R's hairstylist? If anything Beth would have THEIR number not the other way around.

Can't wait to see why Lu is really crying. I can't believe she's so over the moon. This has GOT to be fake right? Tom is not all that, that she should fall for him so hard, so quickly. It makes no sense to me. I really see nothing special about him at. all.

[Castina]

Haven't seen this weeks episode yet but a couple of things I thought of reading the thread:

• Luann may have cheated on Jaques with the pirate but remarkably they are still friends and text according to some articles I read yesterday.  He attended and toasted her at her 50th birthday party.  And he was asked about Tom and said that he heard from Luann and again mentioned they are friends.  She also apparently still has a good relationship with the Count.  I think that speaks more to her character than any edited version of her on a reality show.  I also think is part of the puzzle of Bethenny's hatred for her. 
• I don't know where Jules came up with the name (again haven't seen the latest episode yet) but I always thought of the Duran Duran song.  
• I feel sorry for Sonja because I think she got carried away with this story line by the ladies to get herself on camera.  She was shut out for most of the season until Bethenny decided to hug it out once she alienated Luann and Jules.  I also think Sonja is still not over her divorce so this situation with Luann and Tom just brings her fears and insecurities to the top and the other vultures use her as a tool.  I don't think for Sonja it is malicious, she is very much the tragic figure of her own life. 

Edited August 4, 2016 by Castina

[ghoulina]

5 hours ago, miss carousel said:

And that pathetic stepped on depressing cake. I guess after renting the boat and hiring the extras production was running low on funds. They could have asked Doris's mom to make a perfectly nice sheet cake

Haha! I thought the same thing. That cake was not only pathetic, it was so tiny! For all those people? I thought, "At least Dorinda's mom's cake could feed a party". You could tell no one cooked, cleaned, or made it nice up in there. 

[weaver]

6 hours ago, zulualpha said:

Bethany said Tom was so drunk at the Regency that he might not remember the evening.  Maybe it was a bachelor party for him given by the regulars and the bar.  Maybe the woman he was making out with was a stripper hired for the party.  If so it doesn't make Tom the catch of the year but it's none of Bethany's business and it was a seriously bitch move to try to humiliate Luann on camera.  I didn't think anyone could be a bigger asshole than Ramona but Bethany is a close second.  Both women went through bad break ups and seem determined to crush whatever happiness Luann has managed to piece together.  

Why don't we get a similar conversation about Dennis Shields the current love of Bethenny's life?   When did he leave his wife,  when did he move out of the Old Westbury home, etc. etc, etc.  What will his divorce settlement be?

And I agree with poster above that the LuAnn/Alex open marriage was never openly stated on RH.   It is none of Bethenny's business to bring it up on camera.  

[MissMel]

34 minutes ago, escapetoreality said:

So that was easy. Her name is Kimberlie Scutti and her wealthy husband passed away at age 80 in 2014.  

Some girls have all the luck. 

[Almost 3000]

2 hours ago, Lizzing said:

That cake was just too sad though.

In my imagination Tom's mom arranged that cake while church shopping. She hates Lu and for that matter any women her son is close to and she will passively disrupt any relationship. She will also make sure that they never find a church.