Man, oh man, this reminded me of something my elementary school principal said to me when we met again when I was in college going for my teaching credential. The school was and is a parochial school and I went there in the fifties just to give perspective. There used to be paddle on his office wall that was used (it was the 50s people and it was a thing then and not now) as punishment. He told me it wasn't about pain but about the shame of whatever behavior brought the student to his office. I've since then thought a bit of shame along with accompanying accountability helps keep things running smoothly. Without a bit of appropriate shame we might become a society of narcissists and sociopaths. On topic, I've always thought Whit was probably narcissist.