S08.E18: Body Of Evidence

[HumblePi]

38 minutes ago, steelcitysister said:

 

Yup. Some kind of extras casting. This company has its own reality tv section:

http://www.auditionsfree.com/tag/west-palm-beach/

Can you imagine the casting call?

Seeking men and women, ages 40-70, with high-end cocktail attire to play party guests for a top-rated Bravo show. Must be comfortable with filming on water (vessel will not leave berth). Must also be comfortable with cramped environment,  odors emanating from dockside warm-water marine life, excessive on-set liquor and non-stop idiocy. Flat rate plus dinner. 

I knew it! Nothing about that party looked genuine.

[ElDosEquis]

5 minutes ago, HumblePi said:

I knew it! Nothing about that party looked genuine.

Come on, the cake looked real!!!

[Bronzedog]

Apparently, if you start randomly smelling toast you may be having a stroke.  Maybe Tom smelling grapefruit was a medical emergency.  He probably wishes it was.

[ElDosEquis]

5 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

Apparently, if you start randomly smelling toast you may be having a stroke.  Maybe Tom smelling grapefruit was a medical emergency.  He probably wishes it was.

I know that if I smell shit, I have crapped myself?

I bought two giant grapefruits yesterday, before the show even aired.

THAT endlessly amused me.

[KungFuBunny]

16 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

Come on, the cake looked real!!!

Plus in Luanne's defense, Carvel ran out of Fudgie The Whale "Fuck Yeah I'm Getting Married" cakes

[Bebecat]

I was kinda mesmerized by Sonja's boobage. They looked more unreal than any I have seen. Does she even have nipples?

As far as the women attracting men...I was talking more about personaility and attitude. I can't see how a man would be attracted to the "vibe" of Bethany in order to get to know and like her. She just oozes cold angry fish to me. That is all. And Carol oozes...nothing.

[KungFuBunny]

19 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

I know that if I smell shit, I have crapped myself?

I bought two giant grapefruits yesterday, before the show even aired.

THAT endlessly amused me.

After the show did you hold a grapefruit in each hand close to your chest area and do the Ramona Herky Jerky Spin?

Please say yes as the thought will amuse me during the 2 week sabbatical from the show

Also...no flack...I am NOT grapefruit shaming

[film noire]

3 hours ago, izabella said:

I am not being the least bit snarky here when I say I just DO NOT understand this.  If I were in Sonja's shoes, I would not be broadcasting to everyone that I had a standing fwb in the first place, much less being all teary about it, much less wanting him to discuss it in the tabloids and on television after getting engaged to confirm that yes, indeed, they had hooked up repeatedly. 

Is this a thing?  People expect their hookups to acknowledge them when they get engaged and tell everyone that they had a long-standing hook-up arrangement with them?

Help! I'm upvoting contradictory comments because you and Ryebread are both so persuasive -- if a third person makes another strong argument my mind will melt!

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Ya, I find that pretty funny too. Though I am beginning to think that the reason Lu went so BSC over anyone discussing TomCat is that in reality she is not the least bit surprised by his past, present and most likely future behaviour. She just wants it to be on the down low (and we know TomCat can do that). Much like the count was OK to cheat until he started stepping out in public with a princess, thereby humiliating Lu.

Neither Luann or the Count has ever said they had an "open marriage". That rumor, a nasty one at that, started with Ramona and Bethenny season 2. I also don't think Luann thought it was "Ok" for the Count to cheat on her either. I think 2 bitter women started a nasty rumor out of sheer jealously and nothing more.

[snowblossom2]

3 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

In general, I could agree, but do you honestly believe that this dude was running around dating all of these HW's and had any expectation of privacy? On a reality TV show? We saw him in S1, chatting up Ramona and her friend. Then find out he has been having a relationship with Sonja for a period of time. Then he went out with Ramona, and finally gets engaged to Lu. Did this guy think that the fact that he had been sleeping with Sonja for years wasn't going to come out? Why not just go to Sonja and say "hey, the time we've spent together has been great. I've really fallen hard for your close friend Lu, and would like to make a go of it. I'll fill her in on our past (which I think is the prudent thing to do since Lu and Sonja are close friends, and Lu was living with Sonja at the time they were still getting it on, but I am sure others would disagree), but would prefer this to not be a "thing" on the show. I'd like to be discreet about the whole thing". Instead he just pretends that it never happened. Does that make him a bad guy? It absolutely makes him a bad guy. It makes him a famewhore guy who knew what he was getting in to and went along for the ride. Not as much as making out with a gal in a bar two nights before his engagement party, but a bad guy none the less. 

If it's not a big deal what happened "BL", then why not just be gracious about it all with Sonaj? 

Someone else already mentioned this but a two minute spot on the show 7 years ago IMO does not a game whore make

[shoegal]

17 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

Neither Luann or the Count has ever said they had an "open marriage". That rumor, a nasty one at that, started with Ramona and Bethenny season 2. I also don't think Luann thought it was "Ok" for the Count to cheat on her either. I think 2 bitter women started a nasty rumor out of sheer jealously and nothing more.

Bethenny said to LuAnn's face this episode "are you, I mean, I know this is going to sound ridiculous cause I know you had a different type of European relationship with Alec, are you guys...?" Which LuAnn responds "no, this is totally...."  and Bethenny asks "monogamous?" 

I don't think it's just a rumor made up out of whole cloth by some jealous bitches. The "European style" marriage is one that is more, shall we say, open regarding the presence of your "Italian friends"....not saying every marriage in Europe is a open marriage, but it seems that Lu and the Count were "keeping the company" of others while married.

[izabella]

31 minutes ago, film noire said:

Help! I'm upvoting contradictory comments because you and Ryebread are both so persuasive -- if a third person makes another strong argument my mind will melt!

Lol, I do that, too sometimes.  The discussion here is usually way better than the show.

Except for Ramona's dancing.  That's the best.

Edited August 5, 2016 by izabella

[MerryMary]

They mentioned on the Bitch Sesh podcast that Jules was putting hot sauce on her apple at breakfast.  Ugh.

[izabella]

1 hour ago, Bebecat said:

I was kinda mesmerized by Sonja's boobage. They looked more unreal than any I have seen. Does she even have nipples?

As far as the women attracting men...I was talking more about personaility and attitude. I can't see how a man would be attracted to the "vibe" of Bethany in order to get to know and like her. She just oozes cold angry fish to me. That is all. And Carol oozes...nothing.

Bethy always likes to tell us how real she is on this show.  If so, I have a hard time imagining a man or woman enjoying her company.  She has not brought that side of her to the show. 

Edited August 5, 2016 by izabella

[charmed1]

39 minutes ago, Bebecat said:

I was kinda mesmerized by Sonja's boobage. They looked more unreal than any I have seen. Does she even have nipples?

Didn't they? It reminded me of Marty McFly's mother in the bad future where Biff was rich. Or the fake boobs on RuPaul's Drag Race. And yeah, I was mesmerized too.  

[ElDosEquis]

42 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

After the show did you hold a grapefruit in each hand close to your chest area and do the Ramona Herky Jerky Spin?

Please say yes as the thought will amuse me during the 2 week sabbatical from the show

Also...no flack...I am NOT grapefruit shaming

No problem.

For the record?

They are a full D, pink and are firm. ; )

[ElDosEquis]

6 minutes ago, MerryMary said:

They mentioned on the Bitch Sesh podcast that Jules was putting hot sauce on her apple at breakfast.  Ugh.

I put hot sauce on pretty much everything.

Fruit and either hot sauce or chili powder is GREAT!

When I get to Los Angeles, I always get a fruit salad from the street vendors.

It's melons, pineapple, orange, jicama and mango with lime juice and some kind of hot sauce or seasoning (Tajin).

[ElDosEquis]

2 hours ago, Normades said:

My husband who's a 6'3 - 300lb biker says he still has nightmares after seeing Romana on the catwalk. As for Beth, when he saw her in the bikini last night he thought she looked like someone stretched a love doll over a skeleton. He hasn't commented on Carole.

You might want to get him a "IF you can read this, the housewife on the back fell off' T-shirt?

[ElDosEquis]

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

Plus in Luanne's defense, Carvel ran out of Fudgie The Whale "Fuck Yeah I'm Getting Married" cakes

What happened to the bow on the cake?

Oh, the ONLY housewife that can have a bow on her cake is that pleather doo brow!!!

 

Today was my day, I saw the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile and a Fudgy the Whale Fuck Yeah cake.

My life is perfect.

[KungFuBunny]

33 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

No problem.

For the record?

They are a full D, pink and are firm. ; )

Are you sure they aren't Full of Vitamin C?

If poked with a hard object they might squirt

[zoeysmom]

46 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Bethenny said to LuAnn's face this episode "are you, I mean, I know this is going to sound ridiculous cause I know you had a different type of European relationship with Alec, are you guys...?" Which LuAnn responds "no, this is totally...."  and Bethenny asks "monogamous?" 

I don't think it's just a rumor made up out of whole cloth by some jealous bitches. The "European style" marriage is one that is more, shall we say, open regarding the presence of your "Italian friends"....not saying every marriage in Europe is a open marriage, but it seems that Lu and the Count were "keeping the company" of others while married.

I believe Luann pretty much explained her marriage in her special.  She admitted it was over and she did not want it to be fodder for the women during Season 2.   By the time the Season 2 Reunion rolled around the divorce was announced, filed and pretty close to settled.  Here is a story from back then:   http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2009/03/luann_de_lesseps_in_royal_divo.html  Never has she admitted to an arrangement, what she has admitted to is that when some lies are told she does not engage.  She has told Ramona repeatedly to not talk about her marriage and taken her to task for the same.

Luann was not interested in talking about her marriage with Bethenny, it was fairly obvious Bethenny was fishing for something because the questions asked were insulting, not coy.  Luann wanted to roll it through to the present.  When Bethenny fights with Luann she always goes to Luann's sex life.  Always.  Luann's sex life is hers to tell not Bethenny's, not Ramona's, not Carole's. 

[ElDosEquis]

7 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Are you sure they aren't Full of Vitamin C?

If poked with a hard object they might squirt

I'll leave the squirting to the professionals. ; )

[KungFuBunny]

6 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

What happened to the bow on the cake?

Oh, the ONLY housewife that can have a bow on her cake is that pleather doo brow!!!

 

Today was my day, I saw the Oscar Meyer Weinermobile and a Fudgy the Whale Fuck Yeah cake.

My life is perfect.

The fondant solidified and Luanne is now sporting her latest statement necklace. It's quite something with the dangling wedding topper pendants.

[WireWrap]

1 hour ago, shoegal said:

Bethenny said to LuAnn's face this episode "are you, I mean, I know this is going to sound ridiculous cause I know you had a different type of European relationship with Alec, are you guys...?" Which LuAnn responds "no, this is totally...."  and Bethenny asks "monogamous?" 

I don't think it's just a rumor made up out of whole cloth by some jealous bitches. The "European style" marriage is one that is more, shall we say, open regarding the presence of your "Italian friends"....not saying every marriage in Europe is a open marriage, but it seems that Lu and the Count were "keeping the company" of others while married.

Luann let that comment go, she wasn't going to argue about it, she never has. Just because Luann doesn't feed these trolls about her first marriage doesn't mean that the trolls are right.  IMO, the trolls, Bethenny and Ramona, are just trying to twist things to suit their purpose which is to hurt Luann. The Count cheating on Luann does not equate to them having an "open marriage" no matter how many times Bethenny and Ramona try to make it look like it does.

ETA.....Old, very old, school Europeans think a man stepping outside of the marriage is Ok as long as he is discreet about it but it has never been acceptable for the wife to step outside of the marriage. And, only 1 half of the couple stepping outside of the marriage doesn't make it an "open marriage".

Edited August 5, 2016 by WireWrap

[zoeysmom]

5 hours ago, motorcitymom65 said:

 

I don't think she cares that much about what other people think, but I believe she thinks that two people she cares about - Tom and Lu - should take a moment to at least give her a thought. 

If she cared about Luann and/or Tom she would keep her trap shut and stop putting down, the ring, the wedding date, the yacht, the people at the party and comparing them to her past sorry life.

I think when it came for the toast Tom should have jumped and said, "this is the wrong time to celebrate, Sonja is mourning the relationship she had with me.  She has bravely tried to put on a good face but all this happiness and revelry is just too much for her, so let's restart the party so Sonja and her feelings can take center stage.  The marriage is off until such time Sonja can come to terms with her emotions."  The fact the dumb bitch came to the party and could not contain herself is just another in a series of mentally unstable moves by Sonja Morgan. 

There is a reason old man Morgan detest Sonja and I think we are seeing why.

Edited August 5, 2016 by zoeysmom

[Lady Grump]

11 hours ago, HumblePi said:

There's so much in this episode that's obviously contrived for the cameras. The first was Kimberlie, 'Luann's Friend/Yacht Owner'...... really?  Maybe it's Palm Beach ettiquette for a 'young-ish' white woman with a 44D cup wearing a mini-dress and sporting extensions down to their waist to remain in the hallway at the foot of the winding staircase, just waiting for someone. Yeah, yeah I can believe that.

A D? No way. Homegirl was rocking at LEAST a G.

9 hours ago, BloggerAloud said:

I feel like Luann's over the top professions of love and Sonja's sad girl antics are directly tied to each other because the more one person does one thing, the more the other person does the other. They keep upping the ante to piss the other person off.

Yup. But, (and maybe I am just too soft when it comes to Sonja), Sonja seems to have some awareness that she's not really upset with Lu, just more self-reflective about it all -- and sure, she's playing it up for the cameras, but homegirl knows Lu hasn't done anything wrong. It's fucking Ramona who is clinging to the teenage drama. Fucking Ramona. I really need Avery to Christina Crawford Ramona in about 10 years. Puh-LEASE!

6 hours ago, poeticlicensed said:

Anyone notice that when anyone starts saying anything negative about Beth on WWHL Andy shuts it right down? Happened last night with dorinda and Jules. 

Has anyone else noticed that on the Bravo blog page, Beth's is set apart in a red box. Obvious favoritism is obvious.

5 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I don't know about Bethenny but my husband thinks Lu is doing blow.  I have come to agree with him.  I remember that look from the late 80's.

I just assume they're all doing blow. They're a menagerie of 80s excess, clinging to the keeping up with the Jonses bullshit. (Erving Goffman would have had a field day with this crew!)

Edited August 5, 2016 by Lady Grump

[bravofan27]

I don't think Ramona has any interest in Tom. That's why he flirted with her. Sonja on the other hand seems more attached so he gave her the cold shoulder. Makes sense. Although now, egged on by Carol who is insinuating that was sexual, Ramona become manic and is now spinning their dates into major love stories. It's pretty funny. That grapefruit comment-- wow. 

Jules is not talking about being Jewish or Asian this episode which is nice. 

I think Carol looks just as, if not more, skinny than Jules. Interesting she showed to (watch Jules eat) when Jules was eating.

Bethanny is, imo, coming up with this huge secret because she feels like Luann might have a bigger storyline and she wants the camera time. That said, Tom seems like a sleaze. If I caught my husband making out with someone, or heard that he was, I'd be horrified and devasted too. That said, if Tom, that Uncle Fester looking creature, could somehow manage to get a PlayBoy bunny to make out with him in public, and I can see why he would want to show it off. He's so hideous. Not at all attractive, like Jules' husband only white. 

Edited August 5, 2016 by bravofan27

[ElDosEquis]

33 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

The fondant solidified and Luanne is now sporting her latest statement necklace. It's quite something with the dangling wedding topper pendants.

LOL, It's Lulu's latest endeavor.

Emergency edible jewelry.

Think of it?

You are driving home in a snowstorm and end up overturned in a ditch, things look bleak until

you realize that you can eat your jewelry to survive, until someone rescues you?

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

10 hours ago, BusyOctober said:

Was there even music playing during Ramona's "dance"?  Or was it all just in her head? 

All of you you said Sonja has the sad feelzs b/c Lu caught a man before her is right on target. She wants the UES fairy tale - married to some rich dude to escort her to parties, exotic locales and charity events all courtesy of a very fat wallet.  And now it looks like Lu may get it all ahead of Sonja.

Palm Beach- Ugh!  I went to Palm Beach in the early 90's with my best friend and roommate at the time.  It was shortly after the William Kennedy Smith rape trial.  We even went to "Au Bar" where he supposedly hung out.  While there we sat near an older gentleman (late 50's) and his entourage (my friend & I were in our early 20's).  After having one drink, we were getting ready to leave when a guy from the entourage approached us and asked if we'd like to join "Mr. Charles" for a drink.  We were dumb 20-somethings so what's the harm in getting free champagne from a random older rich dude? After one drink with them, "Mr. Charles" had one hand on my thigh & the other draped over my friend's shoulder just above her breast.  I casually pushed his hand off and one of the guy's groupies, a very exotic looking Asian woman, leaned over & whispered to me, "Mr. Charles is a very, very nice man.  If you are good to Mr. Charles, he is very, very good to you."  That freaked me out and I asked my friend to go to the ladies' room with me.  I told her what just happened, and she told me at the same time Mr. Charles' body guard asked where we were staying and if we''d both be interested in taking Mr. Charles' helicopter back to Miami to stay the night in the Four Seasons.  We panicked because this was all too "sophisticated" for 2 college girls from Boston, so we called for a cab and ducked out a side door!  We never found out who Mr. Charles was or if that was his first name or last, but even now, 20+ years later we laugh at how naive we were and joke about "if you are good to Mr. Charles, he is very very good to you!" How we ever escaped our drunk & dumb 20's ( and 30's) unscathed, I don't know but I am thankful!  I'm also thankful that today in my almost 50's I am not still trolling bars and squeeing over hook ups like this NY Shrew Crew.

Posts like this give me LIFE , hahaha this is great !!!

[ElDosEquis]

27 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

If she cared about Luann and/or Tom she would keep her trap shut and stop putting down, the ring, the wedding date, the yacht, the people at the party and comparing them to her past sorry life.

I think when it came for the toast Tom should have jumped and said, "this is the wrong time to celebrate, Sonja is mourning the relationship she had with me.  She has bravely tried to put on a good face but all this happiness and revelry is just too much for her, so let's restart the party so Sonja and her feelings can take center stage.  The marriage is off until such time Sonja can come to terms with her emotions."  The fact the dumb bitch came to the party and could not contain herself is just another in a series of mentally unstable moves by Sonja Morgan. 

There is a reason old man Morgan detest Sonja and I think we are seeing why.

Sonja is an interesting study.

I am not saying she has any kind of 'mental health issues' - but she does have some different personas.

There was 'toaster oven' Sonja, drunk Sonja, party Sonja, Tipsygirl Sonja, Hurt Sonja and Sober Sonja.

She seems to move in a direction to better herself, then she doesn't follow thru. I think that the movie lawsuit was a good indicator of this? I like Sonja and want to see her do well, but there are times when she becomes an idiot without any sense of decency.

I like Sonja, but I also dislike her - especially when I think she is on the right track, then she allows herself to get derailed.

Her whining and carrying on about Tom just reinforces that dislike.

Instead of looking out for herself and putting her big girl panties on (Lulu would be proud of her) she wallows about like a teenager who has a crush on her Math teacher and doesn't understand  why he won't fuck her.

Should the wedding take place, I wonder how this is going to affect the dynamics of the group?

[njbchlover]

9 hours ago, HunterHunted said:

I find it a little bit bizarre that Tom keeps trying to downplay his history with Ramona and Sonja. There's no real difference for most normal people between 2 dates and 7 or 8 dates. It's not like Ramona said 6 months. Around date 5 or 6 is when you make the decision to continue pursuing the relationship. It sounds like Tom and Ramona mutually decided to do just that. But maybe Tom doesn't want to admit it because he knows that LuAnn gets serious on the first date. As for Sonja, big freaking deal if Tom banged her 100 times. At no point did he try to give her a shot at the major league. He didn't try make her a girlfriend or wife her up. Sonja was his "in case of emergency break glass backup fuck." This shit was not serious or a real relationship.

As an aside when my brother brought his then girlfriend, now wife, to meet my family, my mom asked how long they'd been dating. In the same breath he said 6 months and she said 5 years. It was so awkward.

I'm curious about what Sonja was watching on Netflix.

The classic movie "How to Marry a Millionaire" (with Lauren Bacall, Marilyn Monroe and Betty Grable)....trying to figure out what she did wrong.

Edited August 5, 2016 by njbchlover

[Cherrio]

1 hour ago, ElDosEquis said:

LOL, It's Lulu's latest endeavor.

Emergency edible jewelry.

Think of it?

You are driving home in a snowstorm and end up overturned in a ditch, things look bleak until

you realize that you can eat your jewelry to survive, until someone rescues you?

You never know.    I was babysitting back in the sixties when the little girl threw up all over me.   I took off my love beads, rinsed them off and set them on a window sill to dry.    Forgot about them until the mom called and said my love beads had sprouted into a plant !

[ElDosEquis]

10 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

You never know.    I was babysitting back in the sixties when the little girl threw up all over me.   I took off my love beads, rinsed them off and set them on a window sill to dry.    Forgot about them until the mom called and said my love beads had sprouted into a plant !

Ch-Ch-Ch-Cha Chia?

[breezy424]

If Sonja had FWB for ten years, and I doubt it given her divorce timeline (and remember she claimed to be so broken up about Mr. Morgan filing for divorce), she knows what it was.  It was nothing.  Fast Forward.  Sorry Sonja, you were not mourning for the loss of your 'lover'.  You were jealous.  You put on that dress to show Tom something...it was quite desperate.  According to you, you stated that you hooked up with Tom 'around' Thanksgiving.  Lu said that Tom and her met in person around Thanksgiving.  So what.  You could have hooked up with Tom the night before he met Lu.  What's the point?  Add to that IMO Sonja does tend to exaggerate so I don't take anything she says as total fact.

Ro wants Tom to tell the 'truth'.  Sorry Ro but you keep changing the number of times you and Tom dated so you're not in any position to demand the 'truth' from anyone.  Add to that you claimed to be dating someone else at the time.

This whole thing is ridiculous and is boring as hell.  I don't care.  Lu didn't owe either Ro or Sonja a heads up.  Tom didn't owe either of these women a heads up.  He was not in a relationship with either of them. 

I'm beginning to think that Beth has hired private detectives to follow Lu and then Tom.  She was the one who said Lu approached Tom while he was on a date.  Now, she is the one who got the text at two in the morning about Tom and the playgirl bunny.  Either that or she has promised every bartender on the UES a cash reward for giving her dirt on the RH's that live up there.  Seriously.  I wouldn't doubt it.

Speaking of Beth, I don't think she expected to get involved with a married man.  Hyppocricy much Beth?  She had no problem condemning Lu for sleeping with married men despite the fact that she had no idea of their circumstances yet when she does it, it's deemed OK because of their circumstances. 

I'm not looking forward to the next episode.  We're going to suddenly have Beth so concerned about her friend Lu.  That certainly wasn't how it was in the Berkshires.  Beth called Lu a snake how many seasons ago?  Beth is the python.

Edited August 5, 2016 by breezy424

[ryebread]

8 hours ago, ihartcoffee said:

Ramona and Sonja were both sporting those tatas!  Who were they trying to impress?  

Sonja's sure impressed me! 

I'm not sure if they're all natural or even if the dress was appropriate for the venue but...dang. I'm a hetero female and I couldn't take my eyes off them.

[ryebread]

11 hours ago, archer1267 said:

I couldn't help but think of their time in the Berkshires, when Ramona fled for the Hamptons and appeared at Molly Simms' party, and LuAnn relished passing her phone around at dinner and showing everyone that Ramona was busted. (Since Ramona used PTSD from her childhood as an excuse to leave, when really she wanted to go to a party.) Sonja felt abandoned by Ramona and pissed off that she'd been caught in a lie, and was trying to not believe that Ramona could be so manipulative. LuAnn kept saying "she lied to you" and Sonja looked pretty defeated. I thought LuAnn could have been more sensitive in the moment, but the three of them have had that dynamic for several seasons now.

Excellent catch and analysis. There's a sick dynamic going on between these women. 

I think I'm calling my amazing girlfriends tomorrow and taking them to lunch.  We'll toast our long friendship and how in all these years not one time have we ever screwed each other over or tried to hurt each other's feelings.  Mazel!

[Lady Grump]

Lately, I've been trying hard to find a point of empathy with Carole -- but she lost me tonight with her grapefruit flirting stirring. Come on, now, Carole. Really? Nah -- you were just making fun of Ramona without her realizing it. (Which, please, poke at Ramona! But don't be patronizingly messy about it. Not a good look on you.)

The whole thing kinda reminded me of an early season Mad Men episode, "Meditations in an Emergency" -- when Don goes to a party at his paramour's apartment. I see Carole and her cadre of quinoa-popping, statement-hat-wearing, Jared-Leto-stanning Brooklynites convening -- (cackling with condescension)-- to watch Carole's show...ironically. (An acoustic guitar -- if only for show -- special-snowflake art, and palliative back-patting about their *ethical* superiority are definitely involved. )

[ryebread]

8 hours ago, izabella said:

I am not being the least bit snarky here when I say I just DO NOT understand this.  If I were in Sonja's shoes, I would not be broadcasting to everyone that I had a standing fwb in the first place, much less being all teary about it, much less wanting him to discuss it in the tabloids and on television after getting engaged to confirm that yes, indeed, they had hooked up repeatedly. 

Is this a thing?  People expect their hookups to acknowledge them when they get engaged and tell everyone that they had a long-standing hook-up arrangement with them?

No.  Only if you're nailing one friend over a period of time and then quickly get engaged to her friend do I expect a little kindness. After all, Sonja and Lu will continue to engage with each other after the wedding.  (Assuming there is one.)  Tom could be a little classier in helping the transition.  This is part of the reason I think he's less than a great catch - he's not acting like a gentleman.  He just doesn't seem like a good man at all.

[ryebread]

8 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

I'm completely confounded how Tom's the villain here when it was Sonja who callously decided to share Tom's personal/private sexual business with third parties and a camera crew. I still think who people fuck should be between two people. Unless they are sharing the info together I don't see how it's one persons right to share private information with other people. EVEN if you are the other half of the couple getting down and dirty. I personally think Sonja's the dog here and if Tom is being very reserved and minimal in his responses/reactions then I think he has every right to the witch hunt.

I don't really disagree. I think these things should be private.  Bad Sonja for bringing it up.  She's not off the hook.

But Tom's reaction?  I just expected better from Lu's intended. We all know Sonja is messy.  I guess I wanted to believe Lu's fiancé wouldn't be.  I'm not a fan of Lu's but I hope she doesn't marry this jerk.

[breezy424]

26 minutes ago, ryebread said:

No.  Only if you're nailing one friend over a period of time and then quickly get engaged to her friend do I expect a little kindness. After all, Sonja and Lu will continue to engage with each other after the wedding.  (Assuming there is one.)  Tom could be a little classier in helping the transition.  This is part of the reason I think he's less than a great catch - he's not acting like a gentleman.  He just doesn't seem like a good man at all.

But, quite honestly, what was Tom supposed to do in regards to Sonja or Ro?  There's the truth and then there's the truth.  Who is actually telling the truth?

Yeah, Tom supposed was making out with the 'playboy' bunny.  What are the the true facts about the incident?  I'm not sayin that Tom is an innocent but again, we come back to what is the truth.  We only know for a fact that Lu is still with him.  Is Lu that desperate?   I don't see her that way.  She doesn't have to be.  She's got money, looks....  Heck, I don't even like Lu all that much. 

[AnnaMayWong]

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[Tara Ariano]

In case you missed it, here's the Previously.TV post on the episode!

The Real Housewives of New York City Presents: The Maiming Of The Lu

The prospects for the Countess's fairytale ending take a turn for the worse in Palm Beach, Florida, where the town motto is, 'Even Sonja Morgan thinks we're sketch!'

[Nanny pants]

Jeez, Sonja.  Tom fucked you a couple of times in 10 years.  Stop acting like he is some great, unrequited love.  And put away that ridiculous dress.

[motorcitymom65]

6 hours ago, Lady Grump said:

Lately, I've been trying hard to find a point of empathy with Carole -- but she lost me tonight with her grapefruit flirting stirring. Come on, now, Carole. Really? Nah -- you were just making fun of Ramona without her realizing it. (Which, please, poke at Ramona! But don't be patronizingly messy about it. Not a good look on you.)

 

I'm not sure how she was making fun of Ramona. 

Remember a few years ago when that study came out about the smell of grapefruit and what men thought about it? It was a pretty big deal at the time - 10 years ago or so. The study found that the smell of grapefruit made a woman appear upto 6 years younger than she actually was - but only to men. It was said to be a very attractive scent to men above almost any other scent because it made women seem younger - what with many people equating youth to beauty. Suddenly grapefruit was in everything; Body washes, sprays, soap, face towelettes.  Below is one article, but there are about a million out there talking about the findings and what it did to the industry. 

When Carole mentioned that he was flirting because of the grapefruit comment, I assumed this was what she was referring to.

http://herbblurbs.blogspot.com/2006/06/grapefruit-scent-makes-women-seem.html

Edited August 5, 2016 by motorcitymom65

[WireWrap]

6 hours ago, ryebread said:

I don't really disagree. I think these things should be private.  Bad Sonja for bringing it up.  She's not off the hook.

But Tom's reaction?  I just expected better from Lu's intended. We all know Sonja is messy.  I guess I wanted to believe Lu's fiancé wouldn't be.  I'm not a fan of Lu's but I hope she doesn't marry this jerk.

Tom's few comments in the press have come months after the regular season was done being filmed and a few weeks after the reunion was filmed. Which is months/weeks after Sonja, Ramona, Bethenny and Carole have continuously put him on blast on camera, in the press/tabloids and on a radio show. His comments haven't been nasty, which shows some restraint on his part.

[PickleDeeDee]

Can I just say that Sonja needs to stop all business enterprises and reveal the secret vitamin cocktail she takes? She looks amazing, she really is a beautiful woman, regardless of her foibles.  I love her little Mae West replies "If you rub me any more, I'll turn into a diamond!"

What about Ramona on the spiral staircase as they encounter their hostess (the owner of the yacht).  Ramona nods with heavy lids, like a Queen who finds it beneath her to speak with the "commoners"!  I had to laugh.  Oh my, Ramona. 

[Yours Truly]

15 hours ago, Ellee said:

Could be wrong here but I think LuLu is loving every minute of this!   Methinks she likes being the center of attention on all fronts....backs....sides.  It doesn't matter.

I think Lu's enjoyment is based off of the fact that the other women set the tone regarding her news. I don't think Lu is the type to be as deliberate as she's being now. Yeah, yeah she's not one to pull punches and she does like to be the center of attention but I honestly feel that had it went off without all the ugly bullshit she wouldn't be as "in yo face" about it now.  I do think that NOW she's really wielding the sword unabashedly and unapologetically in response to the obvious disdain the others have been expressing over it all. Look, I take all of Lu's over the top reactions in stride considering what has transpired up to this point. Lu's behavior isn't just coming out of nowhere and I get so annoyed when Lu never gets any credit for WHY she's doing what she's doing. It's completely obvious that her scorpion tale is coming out because the Singer Stinger is coming in full force, the Reptilian Beth is slithering about and the Crabby Sonja has her passive aggressive claws snapping in the background. I'm not saying that their aren't any shadows lurking in Lu's engagement to this man but all of those details should have no bearing on how these women are once again coming for Lu JUST BECAUSE. I can never ever pin point the justifiable reason for their intense, over the top, way inappropriate attacks on this woman. Is she rubbing shit in their faces? At this point she's rubbing that shit on like spanish woman with vicks vapor rub, and I admit it's not looking too good, but at the same time they all FUCKING DESERVE IT.

In all honesty and in my opinion Lu doesn't deserve what they are trying to serve her.  Again, the biggest offense these woman have about Lu are menial, tedious and petty grievances that don't rate this level of vitrol. Especially since they've all displayed some heinous behavior and characters flaws themselves. Lu's nasty when someone comes for her and usually people come for her cause she's an easy target since she's someone that you can't help but notice and she gets shit for it.  Granted she makes it a point to be noticed but at the same time is it really for all that. I'm so tired of these beefs these women have with Lu being over the fact that they can't stand how easy breezy and fabulously she lives her life. Does she sometimes stop and point and laugh cause well them bitches deserve it since they so up in her shiyaaatt?? Yes, so I ain't mad at her when she engages in a little of her ribbing cause I think the others are so much more despicable in their harsh mean spirited ways.

Look I get wanting to swat a fly every so often but these women always want to use like a cannon to do the job. Like get over it already. Lu's gonna be that bitch that catches all the male attention while everyone else becomes a second thought and I recognize THAT being their pet peeve.. Well it doesn't help that you can see that Lu is a bit smug about it but I really gets to me that this sort of ridiculousness is the underlying crux of what these women have against Lu. I hate using jealously but that's the root of it all and the constant theme of trying to take Lu down a couple notches. It's not really about the etiquette manners thing cause in all honestly that sort of shit is just eyeroll worthy. Nah, that ain't it. Taking Lu down a notch is based on them being tired of her thinking she's all that and a bag of chips while they go around feeling like chopped liver and most of the time Lu can't help that they want to interpret the circumstances that way. Insecurities at it's worst and the kicker is it's pretty evident that Lu has her own battles with insecurity as well. She's just a bit more polished on how she handles it.... most of the time.

[Yours Truly]

15 hours ago, jaync said:

Even so, it's Sonja's sexual business to announce as she pleases.

It's not JUST Sonja's that was my point. I also pointed out that if someone decides to share using the really lame excuse of it being "her" business then it's still an asshole move cause you're ALSO sharing someone else's private business in the process.

Hence the reason it's a pretty common practice for people to expect that sexual partners isn't something that is normally shared so haphazardly. Unless of course you live in bizarro land or are a part of a Real Housewives show.

15 hours ago, film noire said:

 That's an exceptional (looks to my eye sweetened up) photo -- candid shots of him look more like this:

 

 

 

He has attractive qualities but for some reason as a whole there's something off. It's strange but when I look at him I'm just not seeing it. Same with Tom minus the attractive qualities. Not saying he's ugly but there really isn't anything about Tom that stands out attraction wise. At least this guy has really nice eyes.

[Yours Truly]

14 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

As for Luanne, however this turns out for her and Tom I think she guaranteed herself an apple for next season.  I would love if she invites Bethenny, Ramona, Sonja and Carole to her wedding. Then unbeknownst to them all she also invites Jason Hoppy, Mario Singer and the mistress, Jill and Bobby Zarin, Harry Dubin, and her niece.  AND I WANT THIS FILMED cause I sure as shit would love to watch this with popcorn.

Oh wouldn't that be PRECIOUS!!! :-)

[Yours Truly]

13 hours ago, WireWrap said:

Neither Luann or the Count has ever said they had an "open marriage". That rumor, a nasty one at that, started with Ramona and Bethenny season 2. I also don't think Luann thought it was "Ok" for the Count to cheat on her either. I think 2 bitter women started a nasty rumor out of sheer jealously and nothing more.

Thank YOU! I'm so tired of hearing about Lu and the Count's "open" marriage since noone ever confirmed that's what they had. It's so so annoying. The reason it came to life was because Lu was purposely acting like things were going okay because she didn't want it to be a part of the show so the other saw her pretty much "faking it" while the Count was obviously onto other "business". That overlap of Lu acting like nothing was wrong (for the shows sake and with hope that she could save her marriage) while the Count was slowly but surely moving on made it look like Lu was looking the other way when in actuality she was just trying to keep up pretenses so that the camera didn't catch the complete demise of her marriage. All that turned into Lu was ok with the Count cheating therefore she must have had an open marriage with him... yada, yada, yada...

Annoys the crap outta me cause when everything finally came out and Lu expressed what was going on it explained why it LOOKED like she may have been looking the other way while the Count was off with the Princess but she just wasn't REACTING cause she didn't want it to be front and center on the show. Big difference and yet people still cling to the open marriage concept that was concocted by the other women during filming.