S08.E18: Body Of Evidence

[ryebread]

3 hours ago, izabella said:

So it would be better if Tom went around saying, "Yeah, I used to fuck Sonja when we were out at some bar and the lights would come on.  Since she was always on the lookout for no-strings-attached shags, we did that when I was between relationships and I've lost count how many times we used each other."

That would be better?  Sonja would be happy if Tom told people he used to fuck her a lot and it didn't mean anything to either of them which is why no on knew about it?  Spreading that in tabloids and on tv would make Sonja feel better?

No, because a person with any class doesn't speak like that.

He could have said something along the lines that he and Sonja enjoyed a wonderful friendship/relationship over the years and, as always, he wished her every happiness.  Period. 

[Ellee]

13 minutes ago, Muffyn said:

This  episode proved that the ladies can bring the drama without Bethenny. 

We had s****** dancing Ramona, slurring Dorinda, cocktail spilling Jules and haughty Luann all OTT at a party full of odd characters.  Good times.  Oh, and Carole was there too.  Yep, she continues to exist. 

Wait....what?!!? ... Without me???

[Natalie68]

7 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Ramona's dancing reminded me a little of this: 

Ramona bringing back the Batsui.

OMG!  This is freaking hilarious!  I didn't even need sound!

When Jules called Michael my husband said it sounded like he was getting his clothes back on.  Hmmm.

For all Lu's talk of class, all I saw was a middle aged woman (no shame, I am one) cackling and looking out of sorts while gloating which is not an attractive feature (the cackle was driving me out of my fucking mind honestly).  Unhinged in a way.  

I am wondering who she is trying to convince this is the love of her life cause I am not buying it.  As others have mentioned he seemed to be trying to NOT kiss her and doesn't seem into her.  At. All.  He had better banter with Ramona.  Sonja may have had a FWB relationship with him but I doubt she cares as much as she is trying to suggest.  It gives her a story and makes her look vulnerable.  I would believe she is mad at the countess for not telling her what is up.  Basically all I am seeing is Luann gloming onto a man who is going along with it cause her freak factor is high and is fun for now (plus the publicity gives him access to MORE desperate woman of a certain tax bracket).  I SERIOUSLY doubt they will make it to the alter.  If its right why wait for filming next season when engaged after weeks?  Lu reminds me of the Wizard in the Wizard of Oz.  You think she's one thing when you meet her but rip open the curtain and you get something else. 

[izabella]

10 minutes ago, ryebread said:

No, because a person with any class doesn't speak like that.

He could have said something along the lines that he and Sonja enjoyed a wonderful friendship/relationship over the years and, as always, he wished her every happiness.  Period. 

Yes, he could have if that were true.  But Sonja herself said it was just fwb on the down low on television, repeatedly, so why should he lie about their hookups when Sonja is super proud of it and puts it on tv for People and the tabloids to question him about it.

Why didn't SONJA just say they had a long friendship over the years and she wishes them happiness, period?

Edited August 4, 2016 by izabella

[ihartcoffee]

15 hours ago, Irritable said:

I feel that a lot of this episode could have been edited out to make room for more footage of Ramona's spectacularly horrible dancing.  Those lessons she took are really paying off!

I kinda thought she was channeling Elaine from Seinfelds dance moves.  

Ramona and Sonja were both sporting those tatas!  Who were they trying to impress?  

[motorcitymom65]

4 hours ago, izabella said:

Bethy explained how poverty ridden and gold-diggery Tom supposedly is to Carole and Ramona, just before telling about the hour-long make-out session with a Playboy bunny.  Bethy is throwing everything out there and hoping something sticks to destroy Lu.  I guess she is going to get her wish since she makes Lu cry the next episode. 

 

This.  I am mystified by what Sonja wants here.  Does she expect Lu and Tom to sit her down, talk about what an awesome fuck-buddy she was for Tom, and how sorry they are that Tom didn't want to marry her and chose to propose to Lu instead?  Does she want a consolation prize or parting gift from Tom in the form of hush money and a diamond?  Does she want Lu and Tom to talk about her in the press, to discuss all the times she and Tom found themselves blasted and had a quick shag before Sonja stumbled home to her interns?  Does she want Tom and Lu to sit around reminiscing about how he would kick Sonja out before breakfast the next morning?   A sympathy card? 

I've no idea what she wants, but if it's true that they had an ongoing agreement for years, that she just wants some acknowledgment of that. Isn't he denying that this is true; saying they were only together once? If he is lying about this, I would be pissed off in her place. 

[Natalie68]

5 hours ago, MerryMary said:

I am just thankful that there's a bona fide photo of Tom cheating.  I can't take anymore accusations without tangible proof.  I think Luanne and Bethenny are both on coke or adderall or something... When Bethenny walked into the bedroom wearing her bathing suit, I flinched.  She looked too thin.  I know she's been sick but sheesh.  

I once heard that women aren't really biologically programmed to be f-buddies.  During sex, hormones and other chemicals are released that encourage emotions.  

That nursing school picture of Luanne is everything.  Thanks for posting.

And now the Bravo drought begins.  Hang strong people! 

I don't know about Bethenny but my husband thinks Lu is doing blow.  I have come to agree with him.  I remember that look from the late 80's.

[izabella]

3 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I've no idea what she wants, but if it's true that they had an ongoing agreement for years, that she just wants some acknowledgment of that. Isn't he denying that this is true; saying they were only together once? If he is lying about this, I would be pissed off in her place. 

I am not being the least bit snarky here when I say I just DO NOT understand this.  If I were in Sonja's shoes, I would not be broadcasting to everyone that I had a standing fwb in the first place, much less being all teary about it, much less wanting him to discuss it in the tabloids and on television after getting engaged to confirm that yes, indeed, they had hooked up repeatedly. 

Is this a thing?  People expect their hookups to acknowledge them when they get engaged and tell everyone that they had a long-standing hook-up arrangement with them?

[Yours Truly]

7 minutes ago, ryebread said:

No, because a person with any class doesn't speak like that.

He could have said something along the lines that he and Sonja enjoyed a wonderful friendship/relationship over the years and, as always, he wished her every happiness.  Period. 

But why is he supposed to be so grand about it? It's an awkward situation so I'm not surprised he's not hiring a speech writer and putting out some press release about it. Geez.. Most people would just sorta mumble and scurry away from what looks to be some huge spotlight waiting to be set directly on you. I get the "scripted", politically, text book reaction that viewers want but to be honest I wouldn't expect anyone to be all speech, aw shucks, we'll always have Paris commentary at the ready in order to move passed the debacle at hand.  I mean there really isn't any real guideline for something like this so to be so critical of Tom's minimal input or communication over it as well as exaggerating his missteps just seems all kinds of corny. Guys have a hard enough time being sensitive even the most obvious of things so thinking that Tom not saying exactly the right thing at exactly the right time about something as complicated as this is so completely outrageous is a stretch for me.

Personally I think Tom didn't expect it to be such a drawn out issue that's being dissected so dramatically hence his simple approach to it. Hell, it seems pretty cut and dry to me so I'm confused why it's such a difficult pill for these ladies to swallow.

Also, it isn't lost on me that they are making it really bigger than it is for a variety of selfish reasons so I'm really disappointed that their tactics are working. It's obvious that being nasty about it serves their ill intentioned purposes towards Lu and it's all mainly based on spite. All this crap. Spite, spite, spite and I just can't get on board with it. Completely ridiculous and petty. The end game? To hurt Lu and as annoying as certain things are with this cast, Lu and her ways to be this brutal, calculating and crass just so Lu can be hurt just blows my mind and is not enjoyable AT ALL.

[zoeysmom]

One of the more appalling aspects of last night's show was Sonja critiquing the guests.  Sonja who first mocked the yacht, it is a 127 foot yacht for sale for just under $10 million bucks.  Granted these guests may not rise to the level of the upstate Tremonts, or be dating a Queens dry cleaner, or be sporting a 30 year old sometimes working chef, or even be reality TV stars, they were nonetheless people and friends of Tom and Luann's.  I don't know that retaining Sonja or Ramona as a friend is a upwardly mobile addition to this group of Palm Beach  party goers (willing to sign filming releases).  They seem to be content and engaged in the party, subjected to Ramona's dancing, flirting and Sonja's porn star dress.

Just felt like Sonja is not thinking when she makes these rather cowardly comments, she seems to have moved from jealous to angry. Her assessment of another's guest list puts her in Ramona's league.  Be angry with Tom and/or Luann by why show one's ass and bitterness with insulting a group of forty people?  What have they ever done to her?  For a woman that regularly surrounds herself with 20 something year old interns her complaint about this group would be?

Just a note about the 10 million dollar yacht, it is very common for yacht owners to lease their yachts when they are not using them. Because of certain tax advantages owners routinely buy the boat and then place it with a leasing company and are required to have a certain percentage of the vessel's use as charter or leased. As the captains of Below Deck will tell you they have a duty to the owners to show guests a good time and keep the revenue rolling in.  Average time to sell a yacht is between 350-450 days, the bigger the boat the longer the time from listing to sale, so any publicity is good publicity when trying to sell.  I have no idea what size John Adams Morgan yacht is but I am guessing it is probably not over 150', as there is a downside on boats over that size.   My guess is it is not nearly as magnificent as Sonja claims and she should not be commenting on it at all.

[motorcitymom65]

22 minutes ago, ryebread said:

No, because a person with any class doesn't speak like that.

He could have said something along the lines that he and Sonja enjoyed a wonderful friendship/relationship over the years and, as always, he wished her every happiness.  Period. 

This all day long. How hard would it be to just say that? 

I guess I don't understand what Sonja was supposed to do. With the exception of telling Lu on camera (and that is the whole point of the show we are watching), is there a world where someone who had been sleeping with the futher husband of her close friend is not supposed to mention this? To someone who has been sharing your home and has been a close friend for years? A friend who - like Sonja - enjoys sex and isn't afraid or ashamed of enjoying it often and without strings? Is she not supposed to be hurt and insulted that she is not being believed? 

7 minutes ago, izabella said:

I am not being the least bit snarky here when I say I just DO NOT understand this.  If I were in Sonja's shoes, I would not be broadcasting to everyone that I had a standing fwb in the first place, much less being all teary about it, much less wanting him to discuss it in the tabloids and on television after getting engaged to confirm that yes, indeed, they had hooked up repeatedly. 

Is this a thing?  People expect their hookups to acknowledge them when they get engaged and tell everyone that they had a long-standing hook-up arrangement with them?

I don't think she cares that much about what other people think, but I believe she thinks that two people she cares about - Tom and Lu - should take a moment to at least give her a thought. 

[Yours Truly]

10 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

I've no idea what she wants, but if it's true that they had an ongoing agreement for years, that she just wants some acknowledgment of that. Isn't he denying that this is true; saying they were only together once? If he is lying about this, I would be pissed off in her place. 

And if she's lying about it? He's still getting raked across the coals. See how that's working? No bueno. How about it shouldn't really be the topic of discussion to this degree period. I ALWAYS take issue with anyone, male or female that breaks a confidence like that. Announcing to the world that you've bedded someone? Just that information being shared. I could understand if it comes out in a conversation among friends or randomly in connection with someone, throw in that things went a little further but to just insert that sort of private information on it's own by itself.

I'm in a conversation, a man's name comes up that I've had sex with and I immediately off up "I fucked him" no rhyme, no reason.... ???????

I'm completely confounded how Tom's the villain here when it was Sonja who callously decided to share Tom's personal/private sexual business with third parties and a camera crew. I still think who people fuck should be between two people. Unless they are sharing the info together I don't see how it's one persons right to share private information with other people. EVEN if you are the other half of the couple getting down and dirty. I personally think Sonja's the dog here and if Tom is being very reserved and minimal in his responses/reactions then I think he has every right to be. I'm a firm believer of who I FUCK is MY business and no I don't give permission to someone I fuck to announce that they've fucked me. I mean sure if they want to be fucked up assholes and put the business out their then it is what it is but it's still a really disgusting thing to do.  I don't think people have to answer to anyone about their sexual history. I get that in this situation a heads up would have helped matters but at the same time I don't think the heads up should have to go beyond BRIEFLY touching on it a sharing minimal information and that's that.

I'm not about to allow some inquisition to open up about where my pussies been. I'm not about to give off the impression that it's open for panel discussion and I sure as hell am not going to tolerate being backed into a corner over the issue. So no I don't think Tom is behaving any worse than I would if I found myself dealing with disrespectful hags who are handling grown folk business like elementary schoolyard children. I wouldn't entertain much more than what Tom's entertaining now about it cause it all came about rather disrespectfully and tasteless. I consider Tom's reaction to it all as him trying to be as discrete as possible and trying not to react or communicate in any way that would open doors for more questions and more discussion over details. Once you give a longwinded account of things then there's that much more information for people to try and wade through and pick about drawing new conclusions and asking even more questions in order to continue the witch hunt.

[Bebecat]

But even Sonja said they hooked up when neither had a partner. Well...now he does. So it is no longer a thing.

[HumblePi]

2 hours ago, film noire said:

Palm Beach looks to be populated with very unattractive people (and not just Trump). The various gala photos online are creepy as hell; all these ancient men with trophy wives who look like cheap porn stars (back in MY day, a nineties trophy wife had the decency to look like a cheap lingerie model -- WHERE HAVE ALL THE STANDARDS GONE?)  

Just saw a photo of Dennis Shields...so now Bethenny has Luann's haircut, a ring on her finger AND a bald guy on her arm? Hmm.

Dennis Shields is pretty wealthy from what I've read. He's the founder and chairman of Yield Street, an investment banker firm. He's much better looking than Luann's bald headed guy Tom.  Here's Bethenny and Dennis in New York city. Fredrik Eklund from Million Dollar Listing is also seen in the video. They must have been at one of those coffee shops that charges $7.50 for a cup of coffee.

http://Bethenny Frankel holds hands with banker Dennis Shields in NY http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/tvshowbiz/video-1297532/Bethenny-Frankel-holds-hands-banker-Dennis-Shields-NY.html

Edited August 4, 2016 by HumblePi

[Morbs]

In my mind, Jill Zarin was the one who texted Bethany.

[shoegal]

I dunno, if I were Tom and I wanted to keep my fucking partners private, I'd stop fucking women who are on a reality TV show.  Especially two women who are on the same damn show.  That would be the first step.  Maybe Tom is as stupid as he is shady. 

[motorcitymom65]

7 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

And if she's lying about it? He's still getting raked across the coals. See how that's working? No bueno. How about it shouldn't really be the topic of discussion to this degree period. I ALWAYS take issue with anyone, male or female that breaks a confidence like that. Announcing to the world that you've bedded someone? Just that information being shared. I could understand if it comes out in a conversation among friends or randomly in connection with someone, throw in that things went a little further but to just insert that sort of private information on it's own by itself.

I'm in a conversation, a man's name comes up that I've had sex with and I immediately off up "I fucked him" no rhyme, no reason.... ???????

I'm completely confounded how Tom's the villain here when it was Sonja who callously decided to share Tom's personal/private sexual business with third parties and a camera crew. I still think who people fuck should be between two people. Unless they are sharing the info together I don't see how it's one persons right to share private information with other people. EVEN if you are the other half of the couple getting down and dirty. I personally think Sonja's the dog here and if Tom is being very reserved and minimal in his responses/reactions then I think he has every right to be. I'm a firm believer of who I FUCK is MY business and no I don't give permission to someone I fuck to announce that they've fucked me. I mean sure if they want to be fucked up assholes and put the business out their then it is what it is but it's still a really disgusting thing to do.  I don't think people have to answer to anyone about their sexual history. I get that in this situation a heads up would have helped matters but at the same time I don't think the heads up should have to go beyond BRIEFLY touching on it a sharing minimal information and that's that.

I'm not about to allow some inquisition to open up about where my pussies been. I'm not about to give off the impression that it's open for panel discussion and I sure as hell am not going to tolerate being backed into a corner over the issue. So no I don't think Tom is behaving any worse than I would if I found myself dealing with disrespectful hags who are handling grown folk business like elementary schoolyard children. I wouldn't entertain much more than what Tom's entertaining now about it cause it all came about rather disrespectfully and tasteless. I consider Tom's reaction to it all as him trying to be as discrete as possible and trying not to react or communicate in any way that would open doors for more questions and more discussion over details. Once you give a longwinded account of things then there's that much more information for people to try and wade through and pick about drawing new conclusions and asking even more questions in order to continue the witch hunt.

In general, I could agree, but do you honestly believe that this dude was running around dating all of these HW's and had any expectation of privacy? On a reality TV show? We saw him in S1, chatting up Ramona and her friend. Then find out he has been having a relationship with Sonja for a period of time. Then he went out with Ramona, and finally gets engaged to Lu. Did this guy think that the fact that he had been sleeping with Sonja for years wasn't going to come out? Why not just go to Sonja and say "hey, the time we've spent together has been great. I've really fallen hard for your close friend Lu, and would like to make a go of it. I'll fill her in on our past (which I think is the prudent thing to do since Lu and Sonja are close friends, and Lu was living with Sonja at the time they were still getting it on, but I am sure others would disagree), but would prefer this to not be a "thing" on the show. I'd like to be discreet about the whole thing". Instead he just pretends that it never happened. Does that make him a bad guy? It absolutely makes him a bad guy. It makes him a famewhore guy who knew what he was getting in to and went along for the ride. Not as much as making out with a gal in a bar two nights before his engagement party, but a bad guy none the less. 

If it's not a big deal what happened "BL", then why not just be gracious about it all with Sonaj? 

[AnnaMayWong]

? "Yeah, we're really rockin'...right now. Owww"❗??                                                                                    

 

 

Geez!      The rank Bitchitude❗     The near-sinister connivances!                                                                          

 

 

Oh, Bethenney™, YOU flew like a withered bat straight outta hell to relay the 'on dit' with your patently false concern while wetdreaming of madness, mayhem, and, possibly, murder. Puh-leeze. Also, in furtherance of her abysmal behavior, Bethenney™ elects to "riddle me this" interrogate LuAnn in the hope of eliciting maximum humiliation to clasp and savor, later. OMG!  Silence, Bitch❗                                                        

LuAnn--recently not so languidly nor so langorously posing and posturing--Deceptions and Backstabbing are afoot. So, LuAnn, maintain composure, cease proclaiming- "Soulmates!" -ad nauseam, and keep yer wits 'boutcha.                                    

Dorinda's actions continuously reassure me that she's no better than the BRAVO Bevy.                                            

Ha❗ Jules is So focused on reaming Michael that she ain't got NO time for this.                                                          (I, vehemently, thank you for your consideration.)                                                

Carol, your above-the-fray { Riiight. Girl, bye } grinnin', writhing down-in-the-mud gossiping while faux commiserating with po' Sonja is=meanest-girl level ✖ BetheME! azZ-likker + wretched arrogance. 'RATCHET'!  You, Carol, may most certainly shut the hell up. Oh, and, please, close your mouth when chewing your cud..er, food.

Romona and po' Sonja➡ The embodiment of Jealousy and Delusion run amok. Both aflutter 'n atwitter @ LuAnn's swanning. THAT has been their normal behavioral pattern each and every Season: Crafty and crass Ramona ▶◀ TallyHO Sonja. Both self-centered in their madcap ways and trying days.                                                                           FOOLS❗                                                                                          Ramona is amazingly atrocious--quisling that she is. Uugh.                                                                                                        In lieu of affecting batty nattering, Sonja, now, assumes the role of 'Delicate Dame and her Dastardly Dude' (before, during, and after Lu). And, based on her comments about the guests onboard the yacht, pissy petulant petty po' Sonja remains contemptuous of those that she believes should bow in reverence to her Most Splendid Presence. Uugh.

[hisbunkie]

15 hours ago, zulualpha said:

Bethany said Tom was so drunk at the Regency that he might not remember the evening.  Maybe it was a bachelor party for him given by the regulars and the bar.  Maybe the woman he was making out with was a stripper hired for the party.  If so it doesn't make Tom the catch of the year but it's none of Bethany's business and it was a seriously bitch move to try to humiliate Luann on camera.  I didn't think anyone could be a bigger asshole than Ramona but Bethany is a close second.  Both women went through bad break ups and seem determined to crush whatever happiness Luann has managed to piece together.  

A bachelor party a year before the wedding?  Ok.

Before the engagement party? Ok

Someone " catches" Tom doing this the day before his engagement party and he is deemed 'not the catch of the year'?  But Bethany discussing passing this information on to Luanne makes her a "serious bitch"?  

The way I look at this,  'a serious bitch would have shared the info with friends and never said anything to Lu.  Let Lu find out while watching on her tv, that would have been humiliating.  

[Ellee]

12 minutes ago, shoegal said:

I dunno, if I were Tom and I wanted to keep my fucking partners private, I'd stop fucking women who are on a reality TV show.  Especially two women who are on the same damn show.  That would be the first step.  Maybe Tom is as stupid as he is shady. 

Lol ..... apparently 3 women but who's counting.... :D

[Yours Truly]

10 minutes ago, shoegal said:

I dunno, if I were Tom and I wanted to keep my fucking partners private, I'd stop fucking women who are on a reality TV show.  Especially two women who are on the same damn show.  That would be the first step.  Maybe Tom is as stupid as he is shady. 

Reality show or not. Disgusting that sexual partners is something someone can't expect to be between 2 people. It's out because the person he fucked wanted to announce it to the world for shits and giggles.  My opinion has nothing to do with whether Tom should or shouldn't be fucking bravolebrities if HE wants it private. My opinion is based on the fact that it's disgusting to just decide to share a sexual partners business to the masses PERIOD.  I'm not down with the whole "reality show" simplistic clause that gets thrown out for everything as a defense. Meh...

[ElDosEquis]

I met a woman at work and began to hang out -the flack I got from my co-workers, especially the women, was surprising and unexpected.

I'd get 'reports' about her, who she was talking to, laughing with, taking her breaks with. It got to the point where I'd see her in the hallway and ignore her, just to keep the shit from hitting the fan.

While I get Lulu's OTT proclamations about 'love marriage engagement', Maybe she would have been better served NOT to mention it to the others and getting married on the sly.

[Yours Truly]

14 minutes ago, motorcitymom65 said:

In general, I could agree, but do you honestly believe that this dude was running around dating all of these HW's and had any expectation of privacy? On a reality TV show? We saw him in S1, chatting up Ramona and her friend. Then find out he has been having a relationship with Sonja for a period of time. Then he went out with Ramona, and finally gets engaged to Lu. Did this guy think that the fact that he had been sleeping with Sonja for years wasn't going to come out? Why not just go to Sonja and say "hey, the time we've spent together has been great. I've really fallen hard for your close friend Lu, and would like to make a go of it. I'll fill her in on our past (which I think is the prudent thing to do since Lu and Sonja are close friends, and Lu was living with Sonja at the time they were still getting it on, but I am sure others would disagree), but would prefer this to not be a "thing" on the show. I'd like to be discreet about the whole thing". Instead he just pretends that it never happened. Does that make him a bad guy? It absolutely makes him a bad guy. It makes him a famewhore guy who knew what he was getting in to and went along for the ride. Not as much as making out with a gal in a bar two nights before his engagement party, but a bad guy none the less. 

If it's not a big deal what happened "BL", then why not just be gracious about it all with Sonaj? 

Cause when all is said and done... Dude's just don't think about shit to this degree and I think we are seeing Tom prove just that in the very minimal way he's dealing with it. What he's doing looks pretty much like the average "whatcha gonna do, it happens" simple approach/reaction that I expect from guys. Especially guys that have been on the dating scene.  It's ridiculous that women their age are still reacting like brand new 20 somethings that haven't been around the block. It's actually an insult to my intelligence that they expect ME to believe that they are that gobsmacked about it all. Puleezzeee!

[shoegal]

6 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Reality show or not. Disgusting that sexual partners is something someone can't expect to be between 2 people. It's out because the person he fucked wanted to announce it to the world for shits and giggles.  My opinion has nothing to do with whether Tom should or shouldn't be fucking bravolebrities if HE wants it private. My opinion is based on the fact that it's disgusting to just decide to share a sexual partners business to the masses PERIOD.  I'm not down with the whole "reality show" simplistic clause that gets thrown out for everything as a defense. Meh...

Well, his fiancée LuAnn was the one who confirmed it, with hand motions and sound effects.  Klassy. 

Edited August 4, 2016 by shoegal

[Yours Truly]

2 minutes ago, shoegal said:

Well, his fiancée LuAnn was the one who confirmed it, with hand motions and sound effects.  Klassy. 

Annndddd old news...

[UsernameFatigue]

1 hour ago, ryebread said:

No, because a person with any class doesn't speak like that.

He could have said something along the lines that he and Sonja enjoyed a wonderful friendship/relationship over the years and, as always, he wished her every happiness.  Period.

Pretty much anything would have been better than what TomCat did say in the press. In People mag, in reference to Sonya and Ramona, he said that he had to kiss a few frogs and toads along the way to get to the countess. What a boorish little man. My hubby has more class in his little finger than TomCat has in his entire body.

[shoegal]

2 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

Annndddd old news...

Ha!  Well, I guess that's convenient. 

[Ellee]

2 minutes ago, ElDosEquis said:

I met a woman at work and began to hang out -the flack I got from my co-workers, especially the women, was surprising and unexpected.

I'd get 'reports' about her, who she was talking to, laughing with, taking her breaks with. It got to the point where I'd see her in the hallway and ignore her, just to keep the shit from hitting the fan.

While I get Lulu's OTT proclamations about 'love marriage engagement', Maybe she would have been better served NOT to mention it to the others and getting married on the sly.

Could be wrong here but I think LuLu is loving every minute of this!   Methinks she likes being the center of attention on all fronts....backs....sides.  It doesn't matter.

[UsernameFatigue]

18 minutes ago, hisbunkie said:

A bachelor party a year before the wedding?  Ok.

Before the engagement party? Ok

Someone " catches" Tom doing this the day before his engagement party and he is deemed 'not the catch of the year'?  But Bethany discussing passing this information on to Luanne makes her a "serious bitch"?  

The way I look at this,  'a serious bitch would have shared the info with friends and never said anything to Lu.  Let Lu find out while watching on her tv, that would have been humiliating.

Ya, I find that pretty funny too. Though I am beginning to think that the reason Lu went so BSC over anyone discussing TomCat is that in reality she is not the least bit surprised by his past, present and most likely future behaviour. She just wants it to be on the down low (and we know TomCat can do that). Much like the count was OK to cheat until he started stepping out in public with a princess, thereby humiliating Lu.

[parisprincess]

Ah, that Sonja. I believe that she's known Tom for ten years, but believe their relationship consisted of occasional hookups. I seem to remember her with a boy toy young enough to be her son a few years ago, and am I remembering correctly a storyline concerning Sonja, Harry Dubin and a ring? So for her to insinuate that she and Tom had any kind of relationship is questionable at best.

Ramona reminds me of a friend I once had. If a man looked at her or engaged her in polite conversation, she was sure he was flirting with her and wanted her. Tom calling her lazy when they first met and telling her she smells like a grapefruit at the party isn't considered flirting in my book.

Dorinda really is a shit stirrer, but she was right when she said on WWHL that Bethenny should have gone straight to Luann about the Tom story, and not to Ramona and Caro. Also, Bethenny can present a second hand story about Tom as fact, but God help anyone who repeats stories about her. What a bitch!

[Thumper]

Unpopular opinion, but I thought Sonja looked good in that dress!

[Midnight Cheese]

Ramona looks fawful - fucking awful - in her swimsuits.  Heeeeeeeeeeeee!  Why did no one dump her sparkplug, buttplug self into the drink, or try to drown her (ho only has 1 good nostril) in one of Jules's sloppily poured Fandangos?

I know there's a sociopathic contingent that insists the SAHM is at fault for the fuckaround Hobbit fucking around instead of watching his kids while his wife's away for 4 days (it's just so telling that he's not where he's supposed to be, HER FAULT! - is what anyone unfamiliar with human children and actual, not imaginary, real-life relationships writes...so again, it's telling that his older kid relies on and trusts his mom to tell him where his dad is, all right), but Michael has made himself look like the tiny tool he is without eeeeeeevil mastermind Jules doing a damned thing to harm his image.  Good riddance Jules.

I remain agnostic on the Tom-Lu relationship.  I hope it works out as Lu wishes for it to work out,  Who knows?  Not me.  Agnostic as well on Tom-Sonja (in re Tom-Ramona?  Ramona is a liar liar chubby fuggo titties on fire.)  Sonja can be delusional, but I hate to see that kind of chapped, raw feelings pain - even if the feelings stem from Raboobna instigating.  Ugh.  I will admit that I wonder how many times they slept together.  I wonder if she's inflated the incidents in her mind somehow.  I don't like the humiliation she seems to feel, not one bit.  Damn.

Poor dying Beth in her Mara Hoffman bikini and attempt at a 1-'girl' fashion show!  Poor bleeding Beffy.  Poor, poor Bethenny.  Barely the strength to blow up Carole's cell and Lu's relationship with her gossip.  Aw.  Who's fucking a married dude and preening before paparazzi again?  Not Beffy!!

Edited August 4, 2016 by Midnight Cheese

[Normades]

Sonja has dated several men since she joined the cast.  I'm also pretty sure there are some we haven't seen.  I believe she and Tom hooked up, but it was not the big deal she's making it.  She wants to be relevant and was frozen out at the beginning of the season.  This is her way to get screen time.  I have no doubt that she really doesn't care at all about the Tom thing.  If every man she's dated calls her when he gets into a serious relationship, her phone would never stop ringing.  Also, I think Tom tried to keep this low key, which is exactly what I would have done.  He doesn't need anyone's permission to marry LuAnn, except LuAnn's.  His comment about kissing a few frogs has been repeated by many, many women over the years.  I think he used it because he thought it was a cute theme using "Countess" instead of "Prince or Princess."  I don't see it as a big deal.  I don't believe he meant Ro or So are literally frogs or toads (although I might disagree!).  

Also, if "you smell like grapefruit" is the cutest thing Carole has ever heard a man say to a woman, Adam is a real loser!  Just sayin'!

[Showthyme]

What does Ms. Manners have to say about fuck-buddy etiquette?

Wedding gift suggestions for Sonya? Lu has been married before, but still.

[SparkleznConfetti]

1 hour ago, shoegal said:

I dunno, if I were Tom and I wanted to keep my fucking partners private, I'd stop fucking women who are on a reality TV show.  Especially two women who are on the same damn show.  That would be the first step.  Maybe Tom is as stupid as he is shady. 

Trust. Tom.I. don't.

[jaync]

My tv went out for a bit (damn storm) and I missed Ramona dancing, so thanks for the gif!

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This episode proved that the ladies can bring the drama without Bethenny.

Absolutely. Those first forty minutes before Her Royal Ughness showed up were great.

Jules did look good on WWHL, but seemed high AF. For a minute there, I thought she might nod off.

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It's out because the person he fucked wanted to announce it to the world for shits and giggles. 

Even so, it's Sonja's sexual business to announce as she pleases.

[SparkleznConfetti]

18 minutes ago, Showthyme said:

What does Ms. Manners have to say about fuck-buddy etiquette?

Wedding gift suggestions for Sonya? Lu has been married before, but still.

I suggest a used condom infused with Harry and Tom´s "spontaneous release", monogrammed with their John Han"cock" of course ;-) 

[film noire]

7 hours ago, HumblePi said:

Dennis Shields is pretty wealthy from what I've read. He's the founder and chairman of Yield Street, an investment banker firm. He's much better looking than Luann's bald headed guy Tom.  Here's Bethenny and Dennis in New York city. Fredrik Eklund from Million Dollar Listing is also seen in the video. They must have been at one of those coffee shops that charges $7.50 for a cup of coffee.

http://Bethenny Frankel holds hands with banker Dennis Shields in NY http://www.dailymail.co.uk/video/tvshowbiz/video-1297532/Bethenny-Frankel-holds-hands-banker-Dennis-Shields-NY.html

 That's an exceptional (looks to my eye sweetened up) photo -- candid shots of him look more like this:

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2016 by film noire

[Knuckles]

1 hour ago, izabella said:

Is this a thing? 

No, not among the sane. But Sonja has no storyline without her FWB, and Ramona has no storyline at all...unless you count her interpretive dance efforts...since she has nada going on in her life. Sonja has always let it all hang out, as if she is still 22 and on an endless loop from the disco era. But, that said, I think Sonja looks damn good, and I suspect she has a good heart...she may make a mess of everything, but I don' t think she intends to hurt anyone.

Ramona is a mean, cold woman. She is riding Sonja to have some camera time herself, she staged a fight with Lu worthy of a pimple-riddled teenager, and she threw herself all over Tom. I thought he was doing ok with Sonja, but cut the man some slack, would you want a loud, drunken Ramona in your face?

[Knuckles]

1 hour ago, HumblePi said:

He's much better looking than Luann's bald headed guy Tom.

I disagree...check the face again. That's a man who could turn mean in a heartbeat. An investment banker who walks on his wife of many years for a mean chick with her own money. Yeah, that's a winner.

[Bebecat]

I cannot understand how any male could find Bethany attractive. At all. She makes me squirm just looking at her. I guess I can sorta kinda see men going for a Ramona or a Sonja as a "type" i.e bright blond hair, boobs on display, tight dresses, party girls...and Luann is fun on a date, as Dorinda would be. But Bethany and also Carole give off the sensuality and appeal of the wet towel around my hair right now, after it ends up on the bathroom floor. 

 

Can men on here please comment? Just based on the factors men initially judge women on...what on earth would a Bethany or a Carole offer as appealing, sexy, etc?

[seasick]

53 minutes ago, Thumper said:

Unpopular opinion, but I thought Sonja looked good in that dress!

I did too..no doubt but..it was SO low cut and Soooo wide-cut that only her nipples didn't show.  So is it possible  in That world that she could look like she was trying a little too hard?    It actually looked a little porno.  Not sure if I'm being old-fashioned or not willing to have that much attention on me but I thought it bordered on bad taste, esp. since it was Luann's (or any engaged woman's) party.    Of course that is why she wore it ( or was suggested that she wear it).  Outside of being Sonja trying to bust Luanns chops I don't know where I would wear it, unless I was looking for a FwB arrangement at last call.  You're really begging for it I think.

[SCS]

6 hours ago, Cherrio said:

The yacht has been for sale since 2014.    Its  pretty much a boat available for charter.  Nice try Bravo.    Luann and her "friends".   Like the Italian friends in St. Barts?    BAHAAAAAAA     You have no friends, they are rentals, like the boat.

http://www.merlewood.com/CA_Listings/CA_Sales2.html

 

Yup. Some kind of extras casting. This company has its own reality tv section:

http://www.auditionsfree.com/tag/west-palm-beach/

Can you imagine the casting call?

Seeking men and women, ages 40-70, with high-end cocktail attire to play party guests for a top-rated Bravo show. Must be comfortable with filming on water (vessel will not leave berth). Must also be comfortable with cramped environment,  odors emanating from dockside warm-water marine life, excessive on-set liquor and non-stop idiocy. Flat rate plus dinner. 

[notnowimbusy]

Why does B, who has no true feelings of kindness, concern or care for L, feel it's her duty to relay this juicy bit of gossip to L?  Or anybody else?   I'm sure the others heard plenty of dirt about B, but her contract forbids them from discussing it.   She's just doing it to be mean and bitchy.   That's who she is.  Don't believe one bit she thinks she owes it to L.   BS.

I feel sorry for Sonja.  Talk about living in the past.   Her social life is really no better than any of the other women - maybe when she goes to France - but in NYC, she's just another middle aged woman looking for a new man.   Her entire reaction to Tom is nothing more than feeling bad about herself - she put out, seemingly on call, for 10 years and she was not the one he chose to marry.  It's a huge blow to her ego.   Had it been her who go engaged to T - and the exact same people were on the boat for her party, they would all have been "fabulous".  

Ramona is just ridiculous on every level.  Those new extensions look stupid, and here's a tip - Ramona, try watching yourself on Ultra HI DEF tv - it's not good!   All the eye shadow is creased so far into those wrinkles her eyes look like an aerial map of the desert.    It isn't good for Carol either.   Surprisingly Dorina seems to have good skin, so does LuAnn, and Jules.   Bethenney looks skeletal.

[Normades]

My husband who's a 6'3 - 300lb biker says he still has nightmares after seeing Romana on the catwalk. As for Beth, when he saw her in the bikini last night he thought she looked like someone stretched a love doll over a skeleton. He hasn't commented on Carole.

[KungFuBunny]

In Bethenny’s defense…had this information gotten into the hands of any of these ladies about any of them they would have all did the same and let it be filmed for the show.

If Jill had texts/video of Jason she would have discussed this with Luanne on film and maybe even let Luanne be the bearer of bad news on film.

If Luanne had texts/video of Mario she certainly would have outed the information to Ramona on film.  She had no problems telling Ramona that Mario was on Tinder now did she?

If Ramona had texts/video of John she probably would have told Dorinda on camera too cause she can’t help herself.  Would she have told her off camera beforehand? I dunno. Strange all things seem to be okay between Ramona and Dorinda. Directly after filming the reunion, Ramona spent the weekend at Dorinda’s Berkshire home.

Now Dorinda…she’s a bit more slick. She’d definitely show the other ladies off camera. Then cry when someone else let the cat out of the bag..with some crap like I trusted you not to say anything until I got the chance to tell so and so.

Regarding the evidence on Tom, I have a feeling that someone in production contacted Andy and Andy in turn contacted Bethenny.

As for Luanne, however this turns out for her and Tom I think she guaranteed herself an apple for next season.  I would love if she invites Bethenny, Ramona, Sonja and Carole to her wedding. Then unbeknownst to them all she also invites Jason Hoppy, Mario Singer and the mistress, Jill and Bobby Zarin, Harry Dubin, and her niece.  AND I WANT THIS FILMED cause I sure as shit would love to watch this with popcorn.

[shoegal]

26 minutes ago, Bebecat said:

I cannot understand how any male could find Bethany attractive. At all. She makes me squirm just looking at her. I guess I can sorta kinda see men going for a Ramona or a Sonja as a "type" i.e bright blond hair, boobs on display, tight dresses, party girls...and Luann is fun on a date, as Dorinda would be. But Bethany and also Carole give off the sensuality and appeal of the wet towel around my hair right now, after it ends up on the bathroom floor. 

 

Can men on here please comment? Just based on the factors men initially judge women on...what on earth would a Bethany or a Carole offer as appealing, sexy, etc?

Sigh. 

I just gotta say, can we not?  These women are picked apart daily for every. single. physical. imperfection. imaginable.  Do we really need a soliloquy on their fuckability?  Maybe Bethenny's boyfriend is attracted to her sense of humor, or her drive to succeed or they have common interests and enjoy each other's company.  There are plenty of people in the world that I don't find attractive that have significant others, spouses and dates that obviously find them attractive.  It doesn't seem hard to understand IMO.

[ElDosEquis]

8 minutes ago, Bebecat said:

I cannot understand how any male could find Bethany attractive. At all. She makes me squirm just looking at her. I guess I can sorta kinda see men going for a Ramona or a Sonja as a "type" i.e bright blond hair, boobs on display, tight dresses, party girls...and Luann is fun on a date, as Dorinda would be. But Bethany and also Carole give off the sensuality and appeal of the wet towel around my hair right now, after it ends up on the bathroom floor. 

 

Can men on here please comment? Just based on the factors men initially judge women on...what on earth would a Bethany or a Carole offer as appealing, sexy, etc?

Beth is a nut cutter. You'd walk up to chat her up and she'd start off by telling you that your package is too small, she can see it thru your pants.

Carole is the gal that sits in the corner - you talk to her, to be polite.

Sonja and Ramona are the loud, obnoxious women who will find a guy, hang with him for drinks, dance and maybe rub up against them, but they aren't putting out.

Jules would be fun, she looks pretty laid back, she's not as boisterous, but her problems would need a little extra looking at.

Dorinda? You might go by and kiss her ring. She acts too fucking matronly - god-motherly? No, no and no.

Luann doesn't stress about things. She seems like the kind of person that would be happy just to have someone to party with.

It's their attitude and character that really hurt their attractiveness.

[KungFuBunny]

4 hours ago, Sarcastica said:

Ramona dancing gives me so much life.

I almost wept with joy watching her....dance.

I LOVE you for posting this. Ramona did the same moves when that bug flew into her macrame dress in Turks & Caicos

[ElDosEquis]

3 hours ago, ihartcoffee said:

I kinda thought she was channeling Elaine from Seinfelds dance moves.  

Ramona and Sonja were both sporting those tatas!  Who were they trying to impress?  

The best part was watching Ramona wave her arms - Had she gone overboard?

Those pontoons would have kept her afloat until someone threw her a life preserver.