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13 hours ago, Future Cat Lady said:

I've been thinking that getting married for Jeremy wasn't just about finding a girl that he would like to spend the rest of his life with, but more about having the right image as a pastor.  I'm guessing that a married family man is a better look for a pastor than a single 30 year old dude. 

Well yeah I always said that. Nothing wrong with that though. If you need a spouse to advance your career, picking the right one to do that is important. 

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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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2 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Well yeah I always said that. Nothing wrong with that though. If you need a spouse to advance your career, picking the right one to do that is important. 

I agree. But I'm  not at all sure Jingle was the right choice if Jer's truly looking to head a church with an average-age-less-than-70 congregation.

Seems as if a lot of the successful evangelical pastors today, especially at bigger churches and churches in major metro areas, which is what I envision him wanting, have wives who -- while they may uphold the separate-roles-for-women-and-men thing -- do take a quite active part in a lot of aspects of church life, including leadership roles.

A lot of them seem to be fairly sophisticated looking (they have, you know, haircuts) and are comfortable with public speaking and active in a fair number of church activities, including writing their own columns in the church newsletter, leading large meetings of women, leading women's bible study, doing pastoral counseling with women, managing and heading-up whole-family events and that kind of thing.......

Clearly he did choose her with his religion and his career plans top of mind, but I think he looked only at her fame, her beliefs, and her meekness.

And mostly-mute cookie bakers who play the piano for the singing once in a while may not be terribly appealing to the young crowd these days. Plus, I've read that, since accusations of sexual misdeeds by evangelical pastors have become a major thing, more churches are opting to hire pastors-and-wives as sort of a team so the male pastor has someone handy to talk one-on-one with women and lead small women's groups and stuff, to keep him out of some of the situations that could lead to trouble or rumors of it. 

Not convinced that Jingle's up to that kind of role. Or that Jer's doing anything to help her develop in that direction either. 

So she may or may not be an asset if he goes out of the MacArthur fold in his search for a job later on. 

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1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

Clearly he did choose her with his religion and his career plans top of mind, but I think he looked only at her fame, her beliefs, and her meekness.

That’s exactly why I think he chose her.

Jeremy’s a snob who comes from an educated family. I have a feeling that he sees the Duggars as a bunch of hillbillies and would not associate with them if he was not married to Jinger. BUT, they had a tv show and an eligible, Jesus loving, meek and submissive daughter.

This guy is ambitious and vain. I think he would do anything to become a big shot pastor.

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Scarlett45

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1 hour ago, Future Cat Lady said:

That’s exactly why I think he chose her.

Jeremy’s a snob who comes from an educated family. I have a feeling that he sees the Duggars as a bunch of hillbillies and would not associate with them if he was not married to Jinger. BUT, they had a tv show and an eligible, Jesus loving, meek and submissive daughter.

This guy is ambitious and vain. I think he would do anything to becone a big shot pastor.

I agree with this, but @Churchhoney I don’t think that’s ONLY why he chose her. I think he went looking for a gal with all those qualities, met Jinger who fit them AND liked her and was attracted to her. Jeremy is way too into himself to pick a wife he wouldn’t “enjoy” being with on a daily basis. Also Jinger is clearly happy with him. If he was ignoring her or mistreating her we would see it in her eyes (like Anna). I do think they like each other as people and enjoy being married to each other. 

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Churchhoney

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36 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I agree with this, but @Churchhoney I don’t think that’s ONLY why he chose her. I think he went looking for a gal with all those qualities, met Jinger who fit them AND liked her and was attracted to her. Jeremy is way too into himself to pick a wife he wouldn’t “enjoy” being with on a daily basis. Also Jinger is clearly happy with him. If he was ignoring her or mistreating her we would see it in her eyes (like Anna). I do think they like each other and people and enjoy being married to each other. 

Yep, I agree. ...

I only meant to point to the career-related reasons he chose her. ....

My point is really that, while those may be valid religion-career-related reasons in some circumstances and may have been useful pastor's-wife attributes in the past to some degree, I'm skeptical they'll be worth all that much for a pastoral career ladder going forward......

I believe Der, Bin and Jer all married their Duggarlings partly because of their religion-related career ambitions -- but I also think that they were all attracted to their wives on a personal level as well, in one way or another. 

With Jer, I just think  that if he really goes after head-pastor jobs in major metro areas, Jingle's attributes won't be a career asset to him. ....

On the other hand, he may just prefer to go after staff-level jobs in great big churches (Not sure he would, at least at first, because -- ego. On the other hand, those jobs might also seem like less responsibility and, possibly, even less work and certainly less scrutiny of the work product, so who knows!) ..... And if he doesn't go after the top job anywhere, I don't think her more passive nature will hurt him jobwise...

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15 minutes ago, Spencer Hastings said:

I wonder what happens if/when Kanye backslides out of this phase. 

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I think it speaks better of Jeremy that he'll respect a good faith effort from Kanye and give it a chance, though, rather than just rolling his eyes cynically like I'm sure a lot of Christians would (and probably are).  I also think Kim K has a lot more grit than I had heretofore given her credit for, it can't be easy to have people laughing at your husband for 2-3 years straight and calling him weird half the time (and half might be a conservative estimate, lol).

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Boy, those Duggars sure do use some flowery language. When Jinger was asked about the Backstreet Boys and/or some popular music artists, she stated that she 'didn't listen to them...much". What a liar. A completely honest answer, one coming from a "CHristian" who is not ashamed of her religious beliefs would have been that she was not allowed to listen to any pop music and it was banned from her home growing up. What a spin they put on everything...Michelle included (pants wearing..etc.).

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2 hours ago, floridamom said:

Boy, those Duggars sure do use some flowery language. When Jinger was asked about the Backstreet Boys and/or some popular music artists, she stated that she 'didn't listen to them...much". What a liar. A completely honest answer, one coming from a "CHristian" who is not ashamed of her religious beliefs would have been that she was not allowed to listen to any pop music and it was banned from her home growing up. What a spin they put on everything...Michelle included (pants wearing..etc.).

For all will know she could be telling the truth about the music. She didn't say when she listened to it. It could be today that she is listening to it.

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3 minutes ago, 3 is enough said:

Wow.  I'm sure Kanye is SO RELIEVED that Jeremy found his film to be theologically spot-on

He must have had some sleepless nights worrying about Jeremy's reaction.  🙄

I would pay good money to watch Jeremy try to be all buddy-buddy with Kanye and Kanye just be like, "Who the fuck are you?" 😂

Just now, Lunera said:

They ditched their church to attend Kanye's Sunday service. He has sure molded Jinger into his perfect mini me.

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Oh hell. 

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22 minutes ago, Lunera said:

They ditched their church to attend Kanye's Sunday service. He has sure molded Jinger into his perfect mini me.

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But, you know, Jer's really not just all about celebrity.  Or fame or money or a life of luxury. He dearly loved his modest church in Laredo.

He only left them to enroll in a seminary as close as possible to Malibu Beverly Hills Hollywood paparazzi the entertainment industry out west because he knew the deficiencies he still has as a pastor and is determined to put in as much hard work and study as possible so he can humbly serve Jesus for a lifetime in whatever modest role the Lord chooses for him. 

Bank on it. 

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Temperance

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He's all in for Kanye. He loves the Backstreet Boys like a people his age. (Actually the age difference between him and Jinger is showing here. Even if Jinger had grown up mainstream, she was a little too young for them. They would have been old news by the time she was a teen).

All the music Jeremy listens to seems to mostly be male, unless you count Gabby Barrett. Actually Gabby is doing pretty well as a country artist; have the Vuolos mentioned actually listening to her music themselves? Also Lauren Daigle is Christian music artist, who had the biggest single in Christian pop music ever (according to Billboard) this year, and I haven't seen any mention of her music either. 

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Churchhoney

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45 minutes ago, galaxychaser said:

Jim Blob is having a stroke lol.

The joy of being a close-minded idiot. 

Who'll dry-hump in front of TeeVee cameras and his young-adult children and their dates on a mini-golf course.

But brands as pornographic all music that includes percussion....or, dog forbid, a backbeat.....

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9 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Don't they realise that Kanye West is mentally ill and that his religious epiphany is brought on by his illness? 

I think they're so steeped in their ideals of conversion and revival and such that they can't see past it. ....

Plus, a lot of conservative-Christian culture kind of rejects the whole idea of psychological issues, mental health, and therapy and all that. I mean, they reject a lot of things that involve the biological nature of the physical body....so I think they're  likely to chalk most everything mental or emotional up to God or to Satan or whatever.....

There's a tendency to look at everything just as sin or walking away from Jesus or embracing Jesus or whatever. ..... So the idea that somebody's emotional and mental unbalance would drive an embrace of Jesus is just out of their realm of thought, probably.....And to think that might seem sinful to them..... 

Jer's really really into the idea of being part of a new revival in America, another Great Awakening or something, too. So he's probably excited about the idea of pop-culture icons pushing that -- and he just wouldn't  look at it in another way. 

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4 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I think they're so steeped in their ideals of conversion and revival and such that they can't see past it. ....

Plus, a lot of conservative-Christian culture kind of rejects the whole idea of psychological issues, mental health, and therapy and all that. I mean, they reject a lot of things that involve the biological nature of the physical body....so I think they're  likely to chalk most everything mental or emotional up to God or to Satan or whatever.....

There's a tendency to look at everything just as sin or walking away from Jesus or embracing Jesus or whatever. ..... So the idea that somebody's emotional and mental unbalance would drive an embrace of Jesus is just out of their realm of thought, probably.....And to think that might seem sinful to them..... 

Jer's really really into the idea of being part of a new revival in America, another Great Awakening or something, too. So he's probably excited about the idea of pop-culture icons pushing that -- and he just wouldn't  look at it in another way. 

4 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

My fundy cousin and her family think he is spot on - they will discount any real information about his mental illness. I find them very annoying. 

I guess that's what happens when any kind of critical thinking is discouraged. Not only does it makes fundies look dumb, but it's also very dangerous for anyone around them who might have any sort of mental illness. 

Ad for Jeremy showing up to Kanye's service, it just shows that he's really into wanting to be some big famous hot shot. 

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21 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

As for Jeremy showing up to Kanye's service, it just shows that he's really into wanting to be some big famous hot shot. 

Jeremy would latch onto a Charles Manson-Ted Bundy-Jim Jones Evangelical Revival Meeting Immersion Baptism, Snake-Petting and Meet and Greet if they gave him half a chance.

(And, of course, if they were alive.)

(And had enough Twitter followers.)

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Oldernowiser

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59 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Don't they realise that Kanye West is mentally ill and that his religious epiphany is brought on by his illness? 

I think that Kanye West in his manic phases believes he is Jesus and his handlers have just barely managed to keep him from saying so.

That would make things pretty interesting for Bin, RFP and Mrs. FP...

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A very little research would have helped Jeremy out.

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Any sense of self seems lost within Sunday Service, particularly for African-Americans. Instead of a form of spiritual revival, it’s more akin to a high concept musical performance masquerading as religious—and all in the name of profit.

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Zella

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29 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

Jeremy would latch onto a Charles Manson-Ted Bundy-Jim Jones Evangelical Revival Meeting Immersion Baptism, Snake-Petting and Meet and Greet if they gave him half a chance.

(And, of course, if they were alive.)

(And had enough Twitter followers.)

Sadly, I think Jim Jones's long-time emphasis on social justice would have turned Jeremy off--not, you know, the warning signs he was going to orchestrate a mass murder. 😞

But yeah I totally agree that Jeremy is a sitting duck. 

Did they pay for tickets to this thing? Because if so, um, Kanye's working on Sunday. 😂

5 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I predict that as soon as MacArthur informs Jeremy about Kanye's blasphemy Jeremy will see the error of his ways and recant.  No way Jeremy is going to upset the Big Man.  

I was wondering this, too. I cannot see MacArthur being okay with any of this. Man, to be their social media darling wunderkind, he just keeps shitting the bed all over MacArthur's messaging. And I don't even think it is because Jeremy's rebellious. It's just because he's a clueless, fame-obsessed idiot. 

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Trillium

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21 minutes ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

I predict that as soon as MacArthur informs Jeremy about Kanye's blasphemy Jeremy will see the error of his ways and recant.  No way Jeremy is going to upset the Big Man.  

Nah. Trump, who has literally said he’s “The Chosen One” and the ultra conservative group still blindly supports him, I’m betting they really don’t give a fuck about the hypocrisy. Anything and anyone who can push their agenda is fine with them. 

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DangerousMinds

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1 hour ago, Future Cat Lady said:

Don't they realise that Kanye West is mentally ill and that his religious epiphany is brought on by his illness? 

That’s what I’ve been trying to say. And ill or not, one thing Kanye will never be is modest or humbled. Jeremy just doesn’t get it.

33 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

I think that Kanye West in his manic phases believes he is Jesus and his handlers have just barely managed to keep him from saying so.

That would make things pretty interesting for Bin, RFP and Mrs. FP...

Spot on!

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PikaScrewChu

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41 minutes ago, Zella said:

Sadly, I think Jim Jones's long-time emphasis on social justice would have turned Jeremy off--not, you know, the warning signs he was going to orchestrate a mass murder. 😞

But yeah I totally agree that Jeremy is a sitting duck. 

Did they pay for tickets to this thing? Because if so, um, Kanye's working on Sunday. 😂

I was wondering this, too. I cannot see MacArthur being okay with any of this. Man, to be their social media darling wunderkind, he just keeps shitting the bed all over MacArthur's messaging. And I don't even think it is because Jeremy's rebellious. It's just because he's a clueless, fame-obsessed idiot. 

One of the graduates of the seminary is Yeezy's mentor now and MacArthur hasn't denounced him. So he's obviously more than ok with Books heading to Kanye's services. 

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Zella

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7 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

One of the graduates of the seminary is Yeezy's mentor now and MacArthur hasn't denounced him. So he's obviously more than ok with Books heading to Kanye's services. 

Well, that's an interesting development! Maybe they think they're going to recruit Ye, and Jeremy is the advance guard! 😂

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Churchhoney

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1 hour ago, PikaScrewChu said:

One of the graduates of the seminary is Yeezy's mentor now and MacArthur hasn't denounced him. So he's obviously more than ok with Books heading to Kanye's services. 

All ultimately in the interest of broadening MacArthur's  appeal and fan base, eh? (and that of The Master's U and Seminary and GCC)

Nevertheless, I just can't see the old fart and his misogynistic, right-wing anti-social-justice theology catching on with more than a small percentage of America's young, no matter how much he puts Jer, Cade, Kanye -- and heaven knows what other young or youngish Calvinist loons -- on display as his favorite disciples. 

Next I suppose some graffiti artist will paint a massive Last Supper mural at some prominent LA site. With MacArthur in the Jesus spot and various younger celebs and "influencers" hanging around him. (Yeezy may fight him for that central spot, though, I suppose.)

Meanwhile, all this is going to go to Jeremy's head big time. His ego is no doubt ballooning as we speak as he contemplates his illustrious future as a leader in the 21st Century Great Awakening......Jer with an even bigger ego than he has right now is hideous to contemplate, but I guess we should brace ourselves. 

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6 hours ago, 3 is enough said:

Wow.  I'm sure Kanye is SO RELIEVED that Jeremy found his film to be theologically spot-on.

He must have had some sleepless nights worrying about Jeremy's reaction.  🙄

👍🏼The Jeremy seal of approval!  I’m sure Kanye is quite pleased and relieved to have RFP on his side!  As well as bonus endorsement by Backwoods Bin!  🙄

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1 hour ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Next thing is we are going to see pictures of Prop and Chicago on play dates. 

OMG I would literally die if that happened, and I really hope it does, LOL. Imagine if Jinger And Jeremy got a show on E. I'd pay to see a khloe/kourtney fight with JInger. 

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Fostersmom

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2 hours ago, JoanArc said:

Given an Insta lifestyle or being married to an Arkansas backwoods slob, she's made the right choice!

I'm not sure her only choice in Arkansas was backwoods slob,  but she certainly is living what looks to be a much happier life than her sisters. I'd say all her siblings, but I think John David and Joe are both pretty happy with their lives. Joy seems pretty happy, but let's see how happy she is with a few more kids. Jinger does seem like the only one who is open to change, who won't have a billion kids (although I'm sadly thinking Jill can't physically have any more), who will actually encourage her kids to socialize, have interests, and get an education. More than just being happy, Jinger seems to actually enjoy her life.  IMO, there's a difference between being happy with what you have and actually enjoying your life. Jinger seems to do both. And she somehow has managed to get the big city life she wanted. Sure she probably was hoping for a city where she might not have been on a first name basis with the whole population, but she's apparently an overachiever! 

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Lunera

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Totally forgot Kanye was on a psych hold a few years ago. Since then he's been acting up.

Jeremy is just following Kanye because he's popular and a Christian now, supposedly. 

He's on live right now explaining why he supports Kanye. Apparently he got tons of backlash. 

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