Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

[Kbo]

In the intro to Better Call Saul there’s a shot of his business card in the bottom of a nasty looking urinal. That’s where I’m picturing their tract. 

Jill talks about Washington state like it’s another planet. And no way Timothy says he loves Jill deeply. I’m totally convinced she writes everything she attributes to those poor kids. I won’t believe otherwise unless someone posts “SAVE ME FROM THESE NUTJOBS” from her account.  Is that you, Nurie?

[Annb67]

7 hours ago, Enya Face said:

“You embarrass jesus”

 

I want this on a fucking Christmas card.

David R can print some for you

I love you deeply..to your mother? What....the...ever...loving....hell?!

[kalamac]

Notice Jill says something about watching 'girly' movies. Since most movies that are considered 'girly' are of the RomCom variety - and usually involve things like bars, pre-marital sex, and clothing Jill would call immoral, I wonder just what kind of 'girly' movies she would approve of and watch.

Does Kirk Cameron maybe do religious RomComs where he meets his future wife in church (oh, how they laugh when they reach for the same bible), then they go to the ice cream parlour (where she almost makes the mistake of ordering for herself, before letting him get her a fat free frozen yogurt so she doesn't lose the figure he can barely make out under her modest sack dress), then they get married (more hilarity when he pretends he lost the ring), and finally have babies as God intended for it to happen.

[satrunrose]

The ice cream parlour! What kind of ungodly filth are you trying to push, kalamac? In the 1890s, which as every fundie knows was the pinnacle of human civilization, teachers could be fired for hanging out at the ice cream parlour! ;) Mama Jill knows better than to let her sweet angels loose at  place like that (unless they're using their pocket money to buy a little treat for Mama SMILE). 

[Westiepeach]

8 hours ago, Enya Face said:

“You embarrass jesus”

 

I want this on a fucking Christmas card.

I am a Graphic Designer. I can so do this. Just sayin. 

Edited October 17, 2018 by Westiepeach

[latetotheparty]

31 minutes ago, Westiepeach said:

I am a Graphic Designer. I can so do this. Just sayin. 

Would buy

[awaken]

I find it interesting that Jill barely speaks of her other kids. It’s all Timothy, Nurie, Janessa, and sometimes a mention of kaylee and Renee. And the fact that there are THIRTEEN of them. 

1 hour ago, Westiepeach said:

I am a Graphic Designer. I can so do this. Just sayin. 

Different thread, but great holiday card for D-bag Derick!  

[mynextmistake]

Nurse made a dress “from scratch?” As opposed to what, using canned dress mix?

[Ohiopirate02]

12 hours ago, kalamac said:

Notice Jill says something about watching 'girly' movies. Since most movies that are considered 'girly' are of the RomCom variety - and usually involve things like bars, pre-marital sex, and clothing Jill would call immoral, I wonder just what kind of 'girly' movies she would approve of and watch.

Does Kirk Cameron maybe do religious RomComs where he meets his future wife in church (oh, how they laugh when they reach for the same bible), then they go to the ice cream parlour (where she almost makes the mistake of ordering for herself, before letting him get her a fat free frozen yogurt so she doesn't lose the figure he can barely make out under her modest sack dress), then they get married (more hilarity when he pretends he lost the ring), and finally have babies as God intended for it to happen.

Hallmark does make some films/tv shows that are more faith-based than their cheesy rom-coms.  They have a series based on Janette Oke's books which might be Jill-approved.  There is a website that reviews movies and tv shows for a conservative Christian audience.  https://dove.org/the-story-of-the-dove-foundation/

Now Jill is probably more conservative than the reviewers of this site, but it is a starting off point.

[Normades]

16 hours ago, Zahdii said:

If the R's woke up one morning to find that they lived in a small country town during the depression, they would be in a world of hurt. 

So true.  They romanticize the past (like the the show the Waltons), but living that way is a whole different world.  My father grew up on a farm during the Depression.  They'd never make it.  When they go to Amish country, I always think about how hard they would have it if they lived that way.  They like to think it's all wonderful, but that community would be seriously shunning them for David's laziness and Jill's appearance and attitude.  I wish they would have to live like that for at least a month.  

[Fuzzysox]

Dear Jill, 

I truly hate that you call Nurie submissive. I've said it over and over again that you are setting that poor naive child up for her to be an abusive relationship. With that being said I hope that she will be allowed to pick her own mate and that you nor David pick a man for her.

Also, I hope and pray that Tim NEVER ever comes back to you. I want him to grow into his own person. I want him to create his own life that includes not having to fast so his brothers and sisters have food to eat. While we can say that it's noble, we can't forgive Jill and David for not being able to provide for all the kids. Tim eat to your heart's content. Walk away from your family for a while and live like you want to live. Don't get guilted into coming back before you make your own future.

Love, Fuzzy

[Broken Ox]

On 10/16/2018 at 10:59 AM, ginger90 said:

 I have a sewing machine and sew some things…curtains, some simple dresses for my girls, blankets, etc. However, Nurie’s skill in sewing was limited to mending, sewing on a button, etc.

Well, last winter in a meeting we were in, Brother John O’Malley asked my girls if they knew how to sew.  That inspired Nurie to learn. So, she went out and bought her own sewing machine. She watched and watched instructional youtube videos on how to use her machine.  She went out and bought a pattern. She stayed up late…sewing and sewing and she….

MADE from scratch this BEAUTIFUL dress for Hannah. 

So Jill has a sewing machine that she doesn't use that often. And Nurie, who LIVES IN THE SAME HOUSE, went out and bought her own sewing machine? Why?

[McManda]

And wouldn't mending clothes and even sewing on a button be more difficult than making some curtains and blankets? Aren't curtains and blankets just a bunch of straight seams? It seems like that would be simple enough with a sewing machine. 

I don't see, but I feel like I could do all those things. Well, maybe not the mending to the point where it looks good. But I CAN sew on a button and I have faith I could guide a sewing machine to sew straight lines.

Edited October 18, 2018 by McManda

[Fuzzysox]

1 hour ago, Broken Ox said:

So Jill has a sewing machine that she doesn't use that often. And Nurie, who LIVES IN THE SAME HOUSE, went out and bought her own sewing machine? Why?

Because it makes the "story" more special. Look at how self-sufficient my Nurie is, Godly, submissive, creative, blah, blah, blah.

[Churchhoney]

4 hours ago, Fuzzysox said:

Because it makes the "story" more special. Look at how self-sufficient my Nurie is, Godly, submissive, creative, blah, blah, blah.

Plus, it's about all Nurie's got in the way of a dowry. lol 

[lianau]

On 10/17/2018 at 4:21 AM, awaken said:

I find it interesting that Jill barely speaks of her other kids. It’s all Timothy, Nurie, Janessa, and sometimes a mention of kaylee and Renee. And the fact that there are THIRTEEN of them. 

Different thread, but great holiday card for D-bag Derick!  

Oldest son , oldest daughter , youngest baby . If she has another baby and Janessa turns out to be developmentally on track (no grifting chances) Jill is going to forget all about her too . 

[Mindthinkr]

7 hours ago, Broken Ox said:

So Jill has a sewing machine that she doesn't use that often. And Nurie, who LIVES IN THE SAME HOUSE, went out and bought her own sewing machine? Why?

The sewing machines are part of their dowry. 

Sorry @Churchhoney I hadn’t seen your post yet. Great minds...

Edited October 18, 2018 by Mindthinkr

[Nysha]

I hate the "submissive" adjective, also. What a horrible thing to be called as an adult. 

[Churchhoney]

37 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

The sewing machines are part of their dowry. 

Sorry @Churchhoney I hadn’t seen your post yet. Great minds...

Absolutely. They run in the SAME gutters! 

[Jynnan tonnix]

30 minutes ago, Nysha said:

I hate the "submissive" adjective, also. What a horrible thing to be called as an adult. 

I want to believe she is meaning it in the sense of a lack of pridefulness and the willingness to submit to God's will in all things (not that that sounds much better to me personally), but it's telling that she doesn't (unless I've missed it) seem to use that same adjective to describe any of her sons.

[Albanyguy]

1 hour ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

it's telling that she doesn't (unless I've missed it) seem to use that same adjective to describe any of her sons.

I've never heard any Fundie (certainly not the Duggars) use the word "submissive" to describe a man or male child. It seems to be reserved exclusively for females. If they want to describe a male submitting to the will of God, they usually fall back on euphemisms like "Godly", "righteous" or "servant's heart". Of course, as a gay man, I've heard the word "submissive" used plenty of times, but probably not in the same context. I'll show myself to the prayer closet now.

[louannems]

Boys and men are leaders.  Girls and women are submissive.  Gag.

[Brown eyed girl]

[BitterApple]

Josie and Kelton look really good together. I'm not holding out any hope that they'll delay joining the breeding Olympics, but for now they're my favorite couple behind John and Abbie. 

[MunichNark]

What is that strange scarf thingy hanging down in front of her skirt? I wonder if she will start wearing Jeans any time soon. Those two are far too young to marry.

Seems Carlin is next - her wedding should provide pretty good snarking fodder for us;-)

[LavendarRose]

From looking at the other photos, the skirt and bib are not fiitef to her waist.  So when she is holding the pumpkin it is squished forward giving that weird drapey scarf look.  I think the bib top skirt was chosen for its colour and autumn tone.  It will probably never be seen again, or until it pops up as maternity wear.

[Temperance]

She is wearing a jumper, but her hair covers the straps. I don't think there's a scarf; it's just the way the skirt hangs. I'm not a fashion plate, but I don't think those clothes are flattering. (Particularly the jumper).  

Fundie skirts are so short, compared to old Gothard standards. 

(According to her Instagram, that Jumper is in style. I feel so old.) 

[GeeGolly]

3 hours ago, Temperance said:

She is wearing a jumper, but her hair covers the straps. I don't think there's a scarf; it's just the way the skirt hangs. I'm not a fashion plate, but I don't think those clothes are flattering. (Particularly the jumper).  

Fundie skirts are so short, compared to old Gothard standards. 

(According to her Instagram, that Jumper is in style. I feel so old.) 

A short Fundy skirt is just below the knees. From Josie's honeymoon pics it appears Josie has gone mainstream in her clothing choices.

[kokapetl]

20 hours ago, Brown eyed girl said:

That’s an interesting outfit for an adult woman. 

[galaxychaser]

9 months from now there will be a bambino. 

[Lunera]

I think Josie and Kelton are going to be the new Alyssa and John. Just because they have good jobs and seem like responsible adults doesn't mean they're suddenly going to start using birth control. They'll probably have 3-4 kids by the time she's 25.

[BitterApple]

9 minutes ago, Lunera said:

I think Josie and Kelton are going to be the new Alyssa and John. Just because they have good jobs and seem like responsible adults doesn't mean they're suddenly going to start using birth control. They'll probably have 3-4 kids by the time she's 25.

I agree. They're pretty to look at and more stylish than the average Fundie; but at the end of the day they're just that: Fundie. I'm sure Kelton's been raised to believe what happened to his mother was God's will and it shouldn't discourage him from wanting a child army of his own.

Edited October 20, 2018 by BitterApple

[louannems]

The jumper looks a bit cuter when I scrolled through to the third picture.  It's very short!

[Heathen]

What is in his right front pocket? There is a clip on the outside of the pocket, but no phone outline. 

[DangerousMinds]

8 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

A short Fundy skirt is just below the knees. From Josie's honeymoon pics it appears Josie has gone mainstream in her clothing choices.

I guess legs are no longer defrauding.

[MamaMax]

I'm interested by the luxury brand name dropping, the Apple watch and Ray Bans. Hmmm. 

I think her outfit is cute, but she's gorgeous and could probably make a potato sack look good.  I like the color.

I've always told my teen daughter with clothes, a useful rule of thumb (especially with casual wear): short OR tight but not short AND tight.

Edited October 20, 2018 by MamaMax

[Barb23]

Can someone explain the details of Kelton 's mother's death. Was it childbirth related?

[BitterApple]

32 minutes ago, Barb23 said:

Can someone explain the details of Kelton 's mother's death. Was it childbirth related?

Sadly, it was. She died giving birth to Kelton's younger sister. Details are sketchy; they've never said whether it was a home or hospital birth. The family was living in South Carolina at the time.

Edited October 20, 2018 by BitterApple

[Temperance]

11 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

A short Fundy skirt is just below the knees. From Josie's honeymoon pics it appears Josie has gone mainstream in her clothing choices.

I've seen unmarried Bates girls wear skirts like that short (Carlin?), but many fundie skirts are just above the knee. 

56 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Sadly, it was. She died giving birth to Kelton's youngerestsister. Details are sketchy; they've never said whether it was a home or hospital birth. The family was living in South Carolina at the time.

 

They made a video. She died in a hospital. It's possible she tried to have a home birth, but that is unclear. Remember Joy and Jill Dillard both gave birth in a hospital, but both tried to have a homebirth. Jessa also was rushed to a hospital after the birth. 

Edited October 20, 2018 by Temperance

[awaken]

Sadly, women and infants pass away in planned hospital births as well. Unfortunately the US has some of the highest rates in the world. 

[DangerousMinds]

I really have no words. . ..

#hawaiiansurfingboy? ?????

Edited October 26, 2018 by DangerousMinds

[Lunera]

I'm pretty sure this type of post is called a thirst trap. 

[Wishing Well]

No, that’s a pic credit.  @hawaiiansurfingboy is the IG handle of the person who took the photo. 

Hold on, this is interesting.

 

hawaiiansurfingboy is a guy from Tonittown, follows all the Bates and Duggars...and Melissa Benoist and Dove Cameron.  He’s got to be following Mel for either Glee or Supergirl...two of the gayest shows we’ve got. 

[PikaScrewChu]

12 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

I really have no words. . ..

#hawaiiansurfingboy? ?????

NIKE!!!

This picture is very defrauding. The tight jeans, the tight shirt with the top buttons undone. Oh my. NIKE!

[ChiCricket]

6 minutes ago, Wishing Well said:

No, that’s a pic credit.  @hawaiiansurfingboy is the IG handle of the person who took the photo. 

Hold on, this is interesting.<snip>

hawaiiansurfingboy is a guy from Tonittown

Seeing this picture on his IG made me wonder..do you think a POC would ever be set up with anyone from either the Bates or Duggar families?

[DangerousMinds]

20 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

NIKE!!!

This picture is very defrauding. The tight jeans, the tight shirt with the top buttons undone. Oh my. NIKE!

He looks incredibly douchey to me.

[Temperance]

19 minutes ago, ChiCricket said:

Seeing this picture on his IG made me wonder..do you think a POC would ever be set up with anyone from either the Bates or Duggar families?

Well both Marjorie and Lauren Duggar claim/have some hispanic heritage.  Nathan Bates was dating/ courting a  young woman named Ashley Sayler, who is black and mixed race. Ashley is on Instagram and you can learn more about her on the FJ Nathan Bates thread. 

Basically I think the Bates and Duggars would be okay with some who shares their beliefs marrying into their families. I think this is especially true of the Duggars, who seem less hung up about race than the Bates. 

[PikaScrewChu]

13 minutes ago, DangerousMinds said:

He looks incredibly douchey to me.

100%. He's looks like the kind of guy your friends warn you to stay away from.

[ChiCricket]

7 minutes ago, Temperance said:

Nathan Bates was dating/ courting a  young woman named Ashley Sayler, who is black and mixed race.

 But they didn't get married. Could be a coincidence..who knows.

[BitterApple]

15 minutes ago, Temperance said:

Well both Marjorie and Lauren Duggar claim/have some hispanic heritage.  Nathan Bates was dating/ courting a  young woman named Ashley Sayler, who is black and mixed race. Ashley is on Instagram and you can learn more about her on the FJ Nathan Bates thread. 

Basically I think the Bates and Duggars would be okay with some who shares their beliefs marrying into their families. I think this is especially true of the Duggars, who seem less hung up about race than the Bates. 

I agree. There's one black girl who seems to be a mutual friend of both families, and her husband is white, so it appears their main concern is like-mindedness rather than color. I don't know the friend's name, but she looks like a heavier Meghan Markle. Also, Sierra's husband is Latino, so interracial marriages aren't totally unheard of in their cult.