Bethenny Frankel: Skinny Girl

[QuinnM]

5 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

Wow! That second article is un-fucking believable. Souless vultures preying on anyone and everyone

Get out there and vote.  Lots of state legislation attempting to regulate this has been knocked down.  NY actually has regulations written by the lenders.  It ranks just beneath payday lenders for outright usury.  And of course the regulation against that has been knocked out already.  So pretty much fu if you get in trouble.  Interesting that this is probably where Jason went to fund his divorce.  So if he ‘lost’ he owed them no money.

[bagger]

41 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

Thank you Film Noire. At least now I'm understanding most of the posts on here. So Dennis is the guy BF was/is dating. He sounds like a "keeper"! Lol.

Well he’s dead now so no one is keeping him.

[film noire]

9 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

Just read the People Magazine story about the death of Betheny's bf, Dennis Shields. All i can say is: poor Brynn. 

Yeah, whatever I think of Shields, it seems he was an important figure in Bryn's life, and this will be a hard loss for her -- she's apparently still reeling from losing Cookie (cryng in front of her photo every day for the last ten months) never mind handling the death of a man she likely bonded deeply with --  hope her parents figure out how to end their endless fighting over Bryn, and instead fight together to make her life stable, loving and calm.

Edited August 15, 2018 by film noire

[DelicateDee]

On 8/13/2018 at 12:00 AM, film noire said:

hink Shields was  likely drowning in pressure.  His company has been battling lawsuits for years (including accusations of buying off low level politicians to keep doing business -- and by "business" I mean cases like Bishme Ayers, who accused a Riker's guard of sodomizing him while he was handcuffed.  Ayers borrowed a 350.00 advance from LawCash.  The interest charged was so exorbitant, that meagre 350.00 ballooned into a 4,200.00 debt he owedLawCash out of his 10 K settlement. They also do "surgery funding". So awful).

Add Michael Cohen as a close friend (did they have a gimme a dollar, and I can claim attorney client privilege conversation?)  + chronic pain + opiods  = his house was not in order.  Shields also (imo) appeared to be using his wife and girlfriend to escape the implications of his life

Not necessarily.  Lawsuits, legal issues are one of the costs of having and doing business.  And if the business was set up right (I'm sure Dennis' were), the individuals are not held personally for the damages, If there are any.  As far as the type of business he had, it obviously is a needed service or it wouldn't be successful.  Why does it make a person an awful human being when they are willing to front people large or small amounts of money when NO ONE ELSE, i.e. a traditional bank, credit union, etc. WON'T LEND THOSE PEOPLE A DOLLAR?  Unfortunately, too many people in our society have proved to be very irresponsible with their finances or their life (committing crimes & being locked up) and thus considered a big risk when it comes to lenders giving them money.  Now, some of these people will make a commitment to get their affairs in order, but might need some financial help to get on the road to a better future.  Alas, nobody but the kind of business that Dennis Shields has will give them that.  And yes, they will pay high interest or maybe some kind of fee, but people aren't in business to lose money.  The company is taking a risk also in lending this money out.  That is what those Payday Loan companies do also.  It's not a matter of taking advantage of the most needy, it's giving help to those who really need it, but are locked out of the traditional means of getting loans.  Also, those that use a service like Dennis' have free will to accept the terms or not.  It's not usury as I believe that is against the law.  I can't speak of the case you mentioned as I haven't read about it, wouldn't know where to find it, and I'm sure there is more to it than what was alluded to.  As long as they're not chopping people's limbs off or threatening family members, it's wrong to label Dennis' business as unsavory.  There may be a few lawsuits, which is how a deemed injustice should be handled, but there is most likely a lot more people who were able to get their lives in order because of the aid this company gave them, hence why they are successful.  

[Fiero425]

I hope people remember the finale's been moved up an hour to squeeze in "RHOD," but then we get another telecast of RHNY before "WWHL" which is on hiatus! What a mess! ;-)

[SweetieDarling]

3 hours ago, jaync said:

Alleged rapist, predatory lender...Frankel sure knows how to pick 'em.

But, he had a private plane! Priorities!

[film noire]

1 hour ago, DelicateDee said:

Not necessarily.  Lawsuits, legal issues are one of the costs of having and doing business.  .  

My point (in the post you're quoting) was that Shields was likely under pressure (be it lawsuits, Cohen or financial issues) that had nothing to do with either Bethenny or his wife, so blaming  any woman for his emotional depression (as Radar and others were doing) is savage and unfair.

And if we do find out he was depressed in his final days (and that led to Shields over-medicating to feel "better") that's all on him, nobody else. Frankel didn't drive him to drug,  his wife didn't let him down talking to him every day but not seeing any "signs" -- etc, etc -- women are all too often blamed (covertly or overtly) in situations like this, and it's profoundly wrong, imo. Addicts die by their own hand, due to their own issues,  not because anybody drove them to it.

Edited August 16, 2018 by film noire

[crgirl412]

33 minutes ago, DelicateDee said:

Not necessarily.  Lawsuits, legal issues are one of the costs of having and doing business.  And if the business was set up right (I'm sure Dennis' were), the individuals are not held personally for the damages, If there are any.  As far as the type of business he had, it obviously is a needed service or it wouldn't be successful.  Why does it make a person an awful human being when they are willing to front people large or small amounts of money when NO ONE ELSE, i.e. a traditional bank, credit union, etc. WON'T LEND THOSE PEOPLE A DOLLAR?  Unfortunately, too many people in our society have proved to be very irresponsible with their finances or their life (committing crimes & being locked up) and thus considered a big risk when it comes to lenders giving them money.  Now, some of these people will make a commitment to get their affairs in order, but might need some financial help to get on the road to a better future.  Alas, nobody but the kind of business that Dennis Shields has will give them that.  And yes, they will pay high interest or maybe some kind of fee, but people aren't in business to lose money.  The company is taking a risk also in lending this money out.  That is what those Payday Loan companies do also.  It's not a matter of taking advantage of the most needy, it's giving help to those who really need it, but are locked out of the traditional means of getting loans.  Also, those that use a service like Dennis' have free will to accept the terms or not.  It's not usury as I believe that is against the law.  I can't speak of the case you mentioned as I haven't read about it, wouldn't know where to find it, and I'm sure there is more to it than what was alluded to.  As long as they're not chopping people's limbs off or threatening family members, it's wrong to label Dennis' business as unsavory.  There may be a few lawsuits, which is how a deemed injustice should be handled, but there is most likely a lot more people who were able to get their lives in order because of the aid this company gave them, hence why they are successful.  

The Capitalist Libertarian, everyone-has-free-will-to-do-or-not-something-regardless-if-it-exist-or-not part of me agrees 100%.  Those that sign on the dotted line know what they are getting into. 

The other part of me that holds Christian/Catholic Social Justice in high esteem, thinks that if Paydays didn't exist, people wouldn't get screwed so we should really try to shut them down.  Also, informing this position is that I've worked in lower-socioeconomic neighborhoods as a teacher of kids in schools and of adults in Welfare-to-Work programs and know that there is very low literacy and numeracy rates with the typical Payday user so they literally may not know what in the hell they are signing.  Don't even get me started on the cost of a phone call to talk to a loved one in jail!      

[chenoa333]

This episode: Bethany's face is starting to morph into Rachel Ray. Not a bad thing. Rachel is cute.

I can't believe the petty shit that offends these women. Hey Dorinda, just bring John to the cabaret even if he WASN'T invited. Then, if the Countess gets upset rather than welcoming John, you should definitely be pissed off. 

[scoobie1]

48 minutes ago, chenoa333 said:

This episode: Bethany's face is starting to morph into Rachel Ray. Not a bad thing. Rachel is cute.

I can't believe the petty shit that offends these women. Hey Dorinda, just bring John to the cabaret even if he WASN'T invited. Then, if the Countess gets upset rather than welcoming John, you should definitely be pissed off. 

This!  She should have just brought him.  She's a grown woman. It's not Luann's apartment it's a public venue. Instead she got more and more pissed as the day dragged on and then topped it off with a lot of alcohol. 

[ryebread]

2 hours ago, film noire said:

Yeah, whatever I think of Shields, it seems he was an important figure in Bryn's life, and this will be a hard loss for her -- she's apparently still reeling from losing Cookie (cryng in front of her photo every day for the last ten months) never mind handling the death of a man she likely bonded deeply with --  hope her parents figure out how to end their endless fighting over Bryn, and instead fiht together to make her life stable, loving and calm.

I wonder how Brynn will handle the loss of Dennis, but I'm worried about how Brynn will handle the hysterics of her mother. She was front row and center for Bethenny's Instagram flip-out over Cookie's seizures, I can only imagine how the last 5 days have been.

I hope Jason took Bryn away for a couple of months days and that Bethenny let him.

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

Countdown to Bethenny selling her new apartment running away from her feelings as coping strategy  in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1........ I give it 10-1 odds. At the very least she will reinvent herself with a new vacation condo/property. I say FL or CA. 

Maybe because of Bryn, she and Jason will get the real therapy they both need to get cohesively through this mess. That’s maybe 50-1. Should be lower. 

Then there’s 100-1 odds on Hoppy Ever After..... 

[nexxie]

2 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Countdown to Bethenny selling her new apartment running away from her feelings as coping strategy  in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1........ I give it 10-1 odds. At the very least she will reinvent herself with a new vacation condo/property. I say FL or CA. 

Maybe because of Bryn, she and Jason will get the real therapy they both need to get cohesively through this mess. That’s maybe 50-1. Should be lower. 

Then there’s 100-1 odds on Hoppy Ever After..... 

For Bryn’s sake, I hope Bethenny doesn’t move her yet again to yet another cute room in yet another “home” - because it’s always about Bethenny’s needs.

Maybe Andy will create a show called Always About Bethenny or Bethenny Always.

[bosawks]

7 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Maybe Andy will create a show called Always About Bethenny or Bethenny Always.

Isn't that the subtitle of the Reunion shows?

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

11 minutes ago, bosawks said:

Isn't that the subtitle of the Reunion shows?

It truly is. I have stubborn hope this reunion is different, Bethenny's cover is finally off with all of the ladies. Luann isn't there to defend her and Sonja is too into Sonja. In the end Bethenny's "alliance" with Sonja will get Bethenny nowhere. 

[phoenix780]

A spin off would be great, because she's such a lightning rod it's destroying the show for me. 

[SunnyBeBe]

Is this the thread where we can discuss spoilers?  I hope so, but, my question is about something in the preview for the Reunion show.  I'm putting in spoiler tags, just in case. 

Spoiler

It appeared to me that Bethenny stood up and put her hand on Carol, either in anger or frustration.  Did I see that correctly?  WTH?

[trimthatfat]

15 hours ago, stewedsquash said:

She does it on every single vacation, and always at the Berkshires. It's her thing.

She reminds me of a former friend who breaks down during any fun, positive occasion. A birthday dinner, a trip to Disney World, a trip to the beach. I no longer hang out with her because her manic breakdowns were uncomfortable.

I wondered if Bethenny would attend the funeral and she did. I wonder how his wife felt. Even though they were separated in most respects, they were still legally married and have kids together. Her statement was very sad. Makes the pap strolls with Bethenny look even more tacky than they did before.

[tvfanatic13]

I detest pile-ups (ones?) so I will likely be team B at the reunion. 

[Keywestclubkid]

Honest question does Bethany suffer from borderline personality disorder? Cause she checks off every box of the disorder..... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder

[Mozelle]

31 minutes ago, tvfanatic13 said:

I detest pile-ups (ones?) so I will likely be team B at the reunion. 

No worries. Andy was there to make sure that Bethenny could speak and get her thoughts out there. (I'm basing this from the two reunion clips that are currently up on the Bravo YouTube page.)

[trimthatfat]

38 minutes ago, tvfanatic13 said:

I detest pile-ups (ones?) so I will likely be team B at the reunion. 

Well, she is a very polarizing person. But Andy is firmly in her ass most of the time so she’ll be fine.

[nexxie]

50 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Honest question does Bethany suffer from borderline personality disorder? Cause she checks off every box of the disorder..... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder

I’ve thought perhaps narcissistic personality disorder, but would love to hear from someone who has experience with borderline. It seemed that the therapist shown in her spinoff was taking a salary while enabling her act - but maybe that was just on camera.

[straightshooter]

5 hours ago, nexxie said:

For Bryn’s sake, I hope Bethenny doesn’t move her yet again to yet another cute room in yet another “home” - because it’s always about Bethenny’s needs.

Maybe Andy will create a show called Always About Bethenny or Bethenny Always.

Totally my opinion here, but I really think this is just where things are in the evolution of Bethenny, and it's very sad to me.  She admittedly has issues from childhood and worked hard to build a life in which she thought she'd be shielded and safe, able to take care of herself and rely on nobody BUT herself.   I don't think things have turned out as she'd hoped, maybe success and money have not brought the comfort and happiness she'd thought they would - not to mention all of the pressure that accompanies both.    Her daughter obviously is a major source of happiness for her, but I feel like we've now watched a few seasons of a panicked Bethenny, after realizing that financial security and power are not going to protect her from the pain of life.   To add to that, she's received some pretty big blows from reality that proved to her that she is not immune to pain, loss or rejection - and for a control freak, that is horrifying.   I think the biggest source of panic is that she does not have control when it comes to her child, though.   From that perspective, I actually do understand the freakouts since the divorce.  

I think Bethenny's need for control runs her far more than does narcissism.   That need for control is very much a fear-based issue.   I do worry about her and Brynn in the aftermath of the loss of Dennis.   Sounds like he was a safe place for her, and I'm sure her grief will be a tough thing for Brynn to see.   I hope they will both have support and counseling through this.  

Just my $.02!  

[nexxie]

9 minutes ago, straightshooter said:

Totally my opinion here, but I really think this is just where things are in the evolution of Bethenny, and it's very sad to me.  She admittedly has issues from childhood and worked hard to build a life in which she thought she'd be shielded and safe, able to take care of herself and rely on nobody BUT herself.   I don't think things have turned out as she'd hoped, maybe success and money have not brought the comfort and happiness she'd thought they would - not to mention all of the pressure that accompanies both.    Her daughter obviously is a major source of happiness for her, but I feel like we've now watched a few seasons of a panicked Bethenny, after realizing that financial security and power are not going to protect her from the pain of life.   To add to that, she's received some pretty big blows from reality that proved to her that she is not immune to pain, loss or rejection - and for a control freak, that is horrifying.   I think the biggest source of panic is that she does not have control when it comes to her child, though.   From that perspective, I actually do understand the freakouts since the divorce.  

I think Bethenny's need for control runs her far more than does narcissism.   That need for control is very much a fear-based issue.   I do worry about her and Brynn in the aftermath of the loss of Dennis.   Sounds like he was a safe place for her, and I'm sure her grief will be a tough thing for Brynn to see.   I hope they will both have support and counseling through this.  

Just my $.02!  

Narcissistic personality disorder (as opposed to garden variety narcissism) is all about control - the greatest fear is losing control. The persona (mask) people with npd create is about control, and they try to control every situation, every conversation and every person in a world that they imagine revolves around them.

I agree that Bethenny has very old, deep-seated issues - I feel for Bryn because it’s not a child’s job to meet the needs of her mother, or be held responsible for her mother’s happiness.

[straightshooter]

12 minutes ago, nexxie said:

Narcissistic personality disorder (as opposed to garden variety narcissism) is all about control - the greatest fear is losing control. The persona (mask) people with npd create is about control, and they try to control every situation, every conversation and every person in a world that they imagine revolves around them.

I agree that Bethenny has very old, deep-seated issues - I feel for Bryn because it’s not a child’s job to meet the needs of her mother, or be held responsible for her mother’s happiness.

I agree with you on the Bryn(n?) issue, for sure.  I sure hope that's not the dynamic within their relationship.  

I think a less wordy way (compared to my first post on this) of stating what I've noticed is that she's just seemed more fear-filled as time has gone on - to the point that she was no longer really trying to give off the image of having everything under control - or just didn't have the strength to do so?   

I feel like the breakdown of her friendship with Carol was a HUGE blow - I think she felt rejected and abandoned, and that sent her over the edge a bit.  Such awful timing with two really big losses back to back.  (I'm neither Team Carol nor Team Bethenny, by the way)  

Edited August 16, 2018 by straightshooter

[Natalie68]

19 hours ago, chenoa333 said:

Just read the People Magazine story about the death of Betheny's bf, Dennis Shields. All i can say is: poor Brynn. That poor kid has been exposed to more cray cray craziness by her mom. And probably her dad too but Betheny NEVER should have brought a kid into the world considering what a psycho/emotional mess she  (Bethany) is.

Gonna say that B is not alone in this.  A lot of people with kids are fucked up.  I would say a lot of parents are FAR MORE fucked up than B.

Edited August 16, 2018 by Natalie68

[nexxie]

4 hours ago, straightshooter said:

I agree with you on the Bryn(n?) issue, for sure.  I sure hope that's not the dynamic within their relationship.  

I think a less wordy way (compared to my first post on this) of stating what I've noticed is that she's just seemed more fear-filled as time has gone on - to the point that she was no longer really trying to give off the image of having everything under control - or just didn't have the strength to do so?   

I feel like the breakdown of her friendship with Carol was a HUGE blow - I think she felt rejected and abandoned, and that sent her over the edge a bit.  Such awful timing with two really big losses back to back.  (I'm neither Team Carol nor Team Bethenny, by the way)  

 

She seems to be experiencing some kind of ego disintegration for sure, which makes her very fearful. It would be interesting to know if that’s about Carole - maybe it rocked her world to think somebody saw her clearly enough to walk away, since the goal is to keep that mask intact so everyone is fooled and controlled. The abandonment issue does make me wonder about borderline personality - that’s always mentioned in descriptions. (I’m not on a team either, but get why Carole would want out of the relationship.)

Edited August 16, 2018 by nexxie

[Feline Queen]

Beth wanted a child to 'correct' the mistakes of her childhood but she's just making different ones with Bryn. 

I hope she did let Bryn stay with her dad during this immediate aftermath of Dennis' death.  I've had my grandchildren (ages 6 & 8) all week while my ex-DIL is dealing with taking her grandmother off life-support (she died yesterday) and now the funeral arrangements. 

[film noire]

2 hours ago, straightshooter said:

I think a less wordy way (compared to my first post on this) 

I didn't think it was wordy; I thought it was smart and well written. 

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 if that’s about Carole - maybe it rocked her world to think somebody saw her clearly enough to walk away, since the goal is to keep that mask intact so eveyone is fooled and controlled. 

I think you're right -- and the way Carole walked away must be unsettling for Frankel; the dynamic was completely different with Radziwill. In the past (despite the high stakes emotion being churned out whenever Frankel has gone after someone) it's actually been "comfortable" territory for Bethenny, imo. No surprises in what will happen; she'll either scream insults and someone will return fire (Ramona) or she'll scream insults at someone who will first cower, and then try to fix it/get back into her good graces once the attack is over (Luann, Sonja). 

Those two paths sound a lot like the adult energy Frankel has described watching in her childhood -- the way her mother would go after people -- but Carole took neither of those two paths; she stayed calm. She didn't rage and scream back. She didn't back down,  or get flustered when Bethenny tried to divert/confuse her when Carole was discussing their issues. She ignored Frankel's standard rules of engagement, and changed familiar territory into something unknown -- what is happening here? why isn't Carole reacting to me? -- and that might have been the first time (at least on the show) that Bethenny has not been able to vent her rage in a way that feels "right", leaving her feeling completely out of control (while on camera, yet).

I also wonder if Carole's unruffled reaction is what prompted Frankel snarking about Carole always being "too cool" -- as if she had to convert Carole's refusal to engage into a deficit, thereby turning Carole's calm (in the face of Frankel's hectoring) into a win for Bethenny -- Carole is the broken one who won't engage, she's the sad sack who always has to be "too cool" like she's twenty years younger -- she's the loser,  not me.

All that said, I think Radziwill might have been a good friend for Bethenny, if she weren't on the show. Their ugliest 'mean-girling' selves seemed to come out when they felt the need to posture for the camera -- play it cool and hip and oh so edgy -- but without anybody watching (the very idea!) Carole's far less frantic and hyper approach to life might have been very good for Frankel.  (Or not -  who knows ; ) 

 

1 hour ago, Feline Queen said:

I hope she did let Bryn stay with her dad during this immediate aftermath of Dennis' death.  

Bryn was with Jason when Shields died (it was his time of the week to have her).

Hopefully he has kept her longer, maybe taken her to her grandparents for a 'surprise' summer visit.

Edited August 16, 2018 by film noire

[archer1267]

Ugh. Jason's saying that Bethenny should be tested for drugs, in light of what happened to Dennis. He also questioned her judgment in letting Dennis watch Bryn.

[Maharincess]

24 minutes ago, archer1267 said:

Ugh. Jason's saying that Bethenny should be tested for drugs, in light of what happened to Dennis. He also questioned her judgment in letting Dennis watch Bryn.

I was waiting for that loser to pull something like this.  

[SuprSuprElevated]

4 minutes ago, Maharincess said:

I was waiting for that loser to pull something like this.  

The discussion has been ongoing in the Divorce thread.

[crgirl412]

4 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Honest question does Bethany suffer from borderline personality disorder? Cause she checks off every box of the disorder..... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borderline_personality_disorder

 

3 hours ago, nexxie said:

Narcissistic personality disorder (as opposed to garden variety narcissism) is all about control - the greatest fear is losing control. The persona (mask) people with npd create is about control, and they try to control every situation, every conversation and every person in a world that they imagine revolves around them.

I agree that Bethenny has very old, deep-seated issues - I feel for Bryn because it’s not a child’s job to meet the needs of her mother, or be held responsible for her mother’s happiness.

They are both Cluster B Personality Disorders so they do overlap.  She could be BPD with with co-occurring NPD but I think she is more BPD with NPD traits/features. 

I work as an RN on an Acute Inpatient Psychiatric unit.  We dread the BPD patients we already know from previous admissions and new ones that our psychiatrists have accepted to be treated. 

IMHO it's one of the "worst" diagnosis or labels you can give to someone both clinically and like we are as there are so many preconceived ideas about the disorder with some being true and some not. 

****In a post above I talked about teaching children and adults.  I was a teacher then went back to school to be a nurse.****

Edited August 16, 2018 by crgirl412

[crgirl412]

3 hours ago, nexxie said:

She seems to be experiencing some kind of ego disintegration for sure, which makes her very fearful. It would be interesting to know if that’s about Carole - maybe it rocked her world to think somebody saw her clearly enough to walk away, since the goal is to keep that mask intact so eveyone is fooled and controlled. The abandonment issue does make me wonder about borderline personality - that’s always mentioned in descriptions. (I’m not on a team either, but get why Carole would want out of the relationship.)

I like this. 

[ShawnaLanne]

Everytime anyone sticks up for Bethenny in the media it's some sort of conspiracy. Like the many entertainers who come on Andy's show and back her, or Andy himself (though I get that, he's twisted) backing her means that they are either hoodwinked or she has something on them. 

I don't think she's a saint, I did not like how she slut shamed Lu, or how mean she was to that poor woman who had an eating disorder - I'm blanking on her name, but maybe like me, despite her flaws they just like her. She's messy and self involved, but witty and generous; she's complicated. But in general, I just don't see the machavilian she devil.

Edited to add: my father is a narcissist, there are seversl bi polar people in my family, and I'm kinda sure my ex is BP. So I recognize behaviors.

Edited August 17, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[Otherkate]

Never mind.

Edited August 18, 2018 by Otherkate

[SuprSuprElevated]

This is the only Instagram post BF has posted since the one with Dennis & Cookie on her bed.  To me, this is all that needed to be said.  I'm assuming it is directed to those who gave her positive interaction.

[crgirl412]

11 hours ago, SuprSuprElevated said:

This is the only Instagram post BF has posted since the one with Dennis & Cookie on her bed.  To me, this is all that needed to be said.  I'm assuming it is directed to those who gave her positive interaction.

This is simple and classy; it is all that needs to be said. 

[Happy Camper]

Although I really dislike Bethenny, I do feel badly for her during this horrific situation. She surely must be reeling from this and I really believe that she has never suffered any loss like this before in her lifetime. I also believe that she truly loved Dennis. I cannot imagine that the Bethenny that we have seen before August 10 could be the same Bethenny after.

I think that Dennis was a huge stabilizer in her life. It must be horrible for her to deal with this, and on top of it all having to deal with the gossip about his separation etc. 

If anyone was envious of her in the past, not so much now. 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

7 hours ago, Happy Camper said:

Although I really dislike Bethenny, I do feel badly for her during this horrific situation. She surely must be reeling from this and I really believe that she has never suffered any loss like this before in her lifetime. I also believe that she truly loved Dennis. I cannot imagine that the Bethenny that we have seen before August 10 could be the same Bethenny after.

I think that Dennis was a huge stabilizer in her life. It must be horrible for her to deal with this, and on top of it all having to deal with the gossip about his separation etc. 

If anyone was envious of her in the past, not so much now. 

I completely agree. I hope this tragic event will force her to really address the issues she has (hey we all have them I am not singling her out!) and simplify her life and enjoy her fame money and success in a healthier way. 

Edited August 19, 2018 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[jaync]

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Souless vultures preying on anyone and everyone.

It says something about Beth that she chose to be the romantic and business partner of the proprietor of such a business.

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People who don't like her do a lot of projecting here.

...as do those that do like her.

The popular guess for this blind item (CDAN) is Andy/Beth...

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Well now I know why this talk show host is always sticking up for this reality star and making sure others corroborate whatever she says that is controversial even if it means taking a position 180 degrees from what they previously have said. Apparently she has some information from almost a decade ago that makes him look absolutely awful and would have everyone turn on him in an instant. 

If true, then that would explain the blatant favoritism and continual granting of projects that predictably end up as failures.

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Lol bethennny now needs to expand her resume and add blackmailer lol

[jaync]

Well, it would match her black soul, lol.

[Sunfield]

On 2018-08-16 at 8:02 AM, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Countdown to Bethenny selling her new apartment running away from her feelings as coping strategy  in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1........ I give it 10-1 odds. At the very least she will reinvent herself with a new vacation condo/property. I say FL or CA. 

Maybe because of Bryn, she and Jason will get the real therapy they both need to get cohesively through this mess. That’s maybe 50-1. Should be lower. 

Then there’s 100-1 odds on Hoppy Ever After..... 

I think Bethenny faces her feelings dead on every time. She learned to in therapy it seems. That’s why she’s successful. That’s also what drove Carol around the bend because Carol always runs from her feelings or denies she has any feelings. 

 

The apartment renovations are a hobby she enjoys as a creative outlet. She’s got decorating talent but I don’t tend to like the layouts entirely. She’s good at this.  Being rich, hobbies tend to be expensive. If she were a man she’d maybe buy cars or a boat.

Edited August 20, 2018 by Sunfield
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[Mozelle]

I think that Bethenny is great at therapy speak. It doesn't mean that she actively applies any of that to her life.

It's just like LuAnn coming out of that rehab stay and using the language she heard there. LuAnn's actual behavior, though, belies all of that. I feel this is quite the case with Bethenny. 

[BodhiGurl]

This blind (apologies to original poster, it was quoted without the name of the original poster)

"Well now I know why this talk show host is always sticking up for this reality star and making sure others corroborate whatever she says that is controversial even if it means taking a position 180 degrees from what they previously have said. Apparently she has some information from almost a decade ago that makes him look absolutely awful and would have everyone turn on him in an instant. "

 

This fits Vicki over on RHOC pretty well - especially given Shannon and Tamra have done a 180 and are chummy again with Ms. Cancer Scam herself... Cancer scam  = controversial... I'm not sure what Bethenny has said on the show that is so controversial that Andy is covering for her regardless because she has dirt on him - or what her castmates are corroborating given the "dream team" seems to delight in gaslighting her... Over on RHOC Vicki has done plenty and it seems she can do no wrong nor does she seem to have any risk of losing her OG of the OC job on teevee... just a thought... ;) 

Edited August 20, 2018 by BodhiGurl
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[SweetieDarling]

On 8/19/2018 at 7:56 AM, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

I completely agree. I hope this tragic event will force her to really address the issues she has (hey we all have them I am not singling her out!) and simplify her life and enjoy her fame money and success in a healthier way. 

It's a nice thought, but I doubt it. 

[Jel]

Hmm that blind item. I could see it being about Vicki.

I can kinda sorta see it being about Bethenny, but who among her cast mates is corroborating anything she says? Most of them are flat out calling her a liar.  I also can't think of any position that any of them have taken that is 180 degrees away from what they originally thought AND protects or supports Bethenny.  Maybe that would apply to Sonja and Lu, but Ramona, Dorinda, Tinslet/Teensley (hey KFB!) and Carole? Nope. If that's blackmail, it's toothless blackmail with a crappy percentage of effectiveness.  

[Jel]

1 hour ago, Mozelle said:

I think that Bethenny is great at therapy speak. It doesn't mean that she actively applies any of that to her life.

It's just like LuAnn coming out of that rehab stay and using the language she heard there. LuAnn's actual behavior, though, belies all of that. I feel this is quite the case with Bethenny. 

I have to say I've seen some real progress this year compared to her lash outs and angry tirades from just a couple of years ago.  Less frenetic, panicky, desperate energy. Just not taking the bait from Ramona last episode I found quite notable. )