S17.E13: Coronapocalypse

[Scarlett45]

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Now that Christine has left the family, big problems with Kody and Janelle's marriage bubble to the surface; before they can address them, however, Kody and Robyn both get COVID-19; Robyn ends up in the hospital wondering if she's going to survive.

Air Date: December 4, 2022

[VioletNevermind]

I have never been more disgusted with Kody in the entire 10 years of this show than I was while watching Gabe burst into tears as he talked about the fact that his piece of shit father forgot his birthday.  He may technically be a grown man, but Gabe is still a little boy inside, seeking validation and basic attention from his dad.  The tragic fact of the matter is that he’ll never get it- ever.  Robyn and her kids have it all and she planned it that way.

Kody is mad because his “wives” and every child over the age of 12 have his fucking number and he can’t stand that he’s been exposed.  By constantly playing the part of Robyn’s personal hype man, he’s diverting attention from his own failures.  “Look at how everyone is treating Robyn!  I can’t possibly have good relationships with my kids because of how everyone treats Robyn!”  Robyn, ever the martyr, plays into it to perfection with her tears, cringing, and hand-wringing.  If she weren’t such a detestable human being, I could almost give her a high-five for the masterfully executed psychological game she’s been playing with this entire family.  She knew she was the favorite from day one and leveraged every opportunity to claw her way to the top of this shit heap.  For all intents and purposes, she’s the only wife and everyone knows it.  I hate her and her eyebrows.  The only positive thing I can say about her is that when she had Covid and was too sick to apply her usual six layers of eyebrows, she looked marginally better.  Ish.  I’ve said enough nasty things here, so I will reserve comment on her Cleopatra costume.

Oh, and Kody tells Janelle that he feels “rejected” by her?  All aboard the Gaslight Express!

Edited December 5, 2022 by VioletNevermind
Gabe, not Garrison!

[altopower]

Wait - I thought that was Gabe who broke down in tears because his father couldn't be bothered to remember his birthday. I'm guessing Kody never called him when he was sick with Covid months before and only called now (or then, when filmed) because it suddenly was a real problem for his real family, Robyn and the kids.

[OldWiseOne]

"Loyalty" is code for what exactly? Kody told Janelle eleventy billion times he needed her loyalty without ever defining what that meant! Or maybe she knows the code and is aware of what he's asking for, I was left frustrated and annoyed. Of course I often am when it comes to listening to Kody. He says he is begging Janelle for empathy for his broken heart, but all he talks about is Robyn?

[Roslyn]

I suspect Kody's "I feel stupid" comment is somehow tied to him trying endlessly to connect the dots so that he can blame Christine for the household catching Covid. His brain shut down from exhaustion.

And yes...Kody. You are stupid. You really really messed up your family and lost the joy that all of those people could have brought you. May they thrive in your absence.

[VioletNevermind]

7 minutes ago, altopower said:

Wait - I thought that was Gabe who broke down in tears because his father couldn't be bothered to remember his birthday. I'm guessing Kody never called him when he was sick with Covid months before and only called now (or then, when filmed) because it suddenly was a real problem for his real family, Robyn and the kids.

Right you are- thank you.  It’s fixed.  I’m terrible with names on a good day and these people have too many kids, lol. 

[mythoughtis]

Some of the TH scenes appear to be in response to someone else’s TH.  I really wish the producers would have shown Kody Gabe’s TH and filmed Kody’s reaction. I’d really like to know if Kody felt any remorse whatsoever.    I’d like them to have then shown both TH scenes to Janelle 

Edited December 5, 2022 by mythoughtis

[RedDelicious]

Take some FUCKING NOTES ROBYN. THAT’S what REAL CRYING LOOKS LIKE you ASSHOLE.

I apologize for the coarse language. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by RedDelicious

[Tuxcat]

Since it appears as if they are setting up for another season around the Janelle/Kody tension, can we please ask TLC to stop airing covid storylines? Not one single person (or producer) in that family has an unbiased, scientifically grounded perspective about this tragic public health crisis. If they don't stop using covid to build their storylines, I think I might scream.

Secondly, anyone notice that it was seemingly July when Truely visited (prior to the supposed date of the split). They kept cutting to snow outside but the kids were in shorts, and there was Happy Fathers Day and Uncle Sam crap everywhere.

Lastly, I think Kody does not actually know how to hang out and converse with children - even adult children. Recall this whole thing could have been avoided by doing covid safe activities, hiking, biking, kayaking, FaceTiming, outside picnics... He just never made the effort to connect in Flagstaff - even before covid. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by Tuxcat

[Adeejay]

 “Robyn is perfect, Robyn is great, Robyn treats me the way I'm supposed to be treated.”  Egotistical blow hard!  So, after almost 30 years, Kody is now wondering if he and Janelle are a good fit.  Janelle was always allowed to make her own decisions and he was okay with that. Now, he is changing the rules to justify pushing her out.  I don’t think he wants her to be a better communicator or to be more loyal; he wants her to be submissive like Robyn.  Someone should probably tell him that loyalty and being submissive are not the same.  I don’t believe he had an issue with Janelle being too independent when she was helping to support the family, but because she sides with Christine and wants money to build a home, suddenly, she is disloyal.

[islandgal140]

There is just no bottom when it comes to Kody.

Poor Gabe. I was curious about the timing of that call. Did Kody just call to shoot the shit and talk about Covid or was it only in relation to Covid coming to Chez Robyn's and wanting to compare notes? It all sucks, but the latter sucks like a Dyson vacuum.  I really hope Janelle seeing her son's pain wakes her up and makes it the last straw for her. 

I really hope the kids don't watch this mess. Kody crying about not being able to see one of Robyn's daughters for 10 days -  while she lives under the same roof with him - was a total gut punch coming from the dude who flippantly stated his underage daughter with chronic pain could get on a plane ALONE to get freakin' back surgery BY. HERSELF. in NJ.  Utterly disgusted and mind boggling. 

Did the tender age kids just go trick or treatin' at several doors (and cars) of their own home? 

It has been one of the better season, but sweet Jebus when does end?  It feels interminable.

Lawd, another jacked up preview. Feels like we are finding out that the sunken place has many sub-basements occupied by Kody. 

[Adeejay]

4 minutes ago, islandgal140 said:

There is just no bottom when it comes to Kody.  I really hope Janelle seeing her son's pain wakes her up and makes it the last straw for her. 

I am very disappointed in Janelle.  There’s more to being an independent woman than just handling your own affairs and doing things for yourself.  It also includes standing up for your kids and leaving men that do not treat them right.

[SunnyBeBe]

As messed up mentally as Kody seems lately, it wouldn’t surprise me if Kody did call to wish Gabe a happy birthday, but got distracted talking about Covid and forgot.  Later, Robyn mentions it and Kody can’t recall if he ever did it, so he calls him back. It’s too coincidental that after not talking much, he just happened to call on his birthday.  I’m not sure that’s any less horrible, though.   

[toodywoody]

Poor Gabe. 

Kidney carrying on and on about his kids being turned against him by their mothers, when he does shit like he did to Gabe. He deserves to be treated like trash from his kids. I'm glad the older kids all seem to get along except for a few and even those have the others supporting them. That's a win for me. These kids have been raised by their real parents, Jenelle and Christine. And they seem to know that.

Edited December 5, 2022 by toodywoody

[NotinKansasanymore]

So did Kody just say that he is not going to have holidays with Janelle’s boys until they apologize to him and Robyn?

Also love that Kody is now officially done with his Covid protocols now that he and Robyn got Covid. Aurora didn’t get it so guess they don’t care about her health now!

[GeeGolly]

Oh Gabe. I wanted to reach through the screen and hug him. Kody just can't get out of his own way. I hope for Gabe's sake they have come to a place of understanding, if not more. Not that Kody deserves it, but Gabe loves (loved?) his dad.

I can't with the covid stuff - the drama, the blame, the twisted thinking - nope.

Janelle is leaving me curious. I honestly don't know if she stays or leaves. And Meri - is she now a wife again? Is Kody going to start hanging out with her alone? Or is she still not safe?

What's crazy is that Kody has any wife at all, never mind 2.5 wives.

Ladies, if you read here, he's not worth fighting for.

[Misslindsey]

Does anyone remember offhand where Janelle spends Christmas last year? Please tell me she did not go to Robyn's. Yeah, Kody instead of Janelle spending holidays with her kids, she would rather spend them with Robyn's kids at Robyn's house. Sure.

It sounded like pretty much all the non-Robyn kids have Kody's number. When Janelle mentioned that Maddie and Caleb might try to come to Flagstaff for the holidays Kody seemed like he would rather not see them. Did they side more with Christine? I may have gotten the wrong impression from that brief part of the Janelle and Kody conversation. Also, Kody telling Janelle it isn't right that a wife goes to visit their kids without the husband. We have been told repeatedly that Kody cannot be away from Sol and Ari for more than a couple days. Janelle would never see her kids if she had to wait for Kody to go with her. If the kids go to Flagstaff to see Janelle, Kody probably would not go to see them anyway with all his covid rules. Of course, now that he had covid he feels he can relax the rules even though this is fall 2021 where I think a majority of places already relaxed their covid guidelines.

I rolled my eyes at Robyn saying she doesn't tell her younger children much about what is going on. Those kids might here it indirectly. I just remember the conversation she had with her kids last season where she told them basically Janelle and Christine were going to spend Thanksgiving elsewhere. Also, judging from the two older girls at the Christine send off I would assume that they are hearing an earful from probably both Robyn and Kody.

Poor Gabe, but we do have the same birthday.

I hate Kody (and Robyn). As for Halloween, in 2020 where I live there were ways to have a socially distanced Halloween. In 2021 Halloween was basically normal. Did Kody and Robyn have the four door Halloween because they were coming off covid or some other reason?

[suev3333]

All kodouche is worried about is "having a divorce on my record".... I just can't with this ass.   He has ZERO culpability!!  Omg,  end this,  pleeeease.  It's so hard to watch!  (Yea I know,  I'm still here watching though ,🤦‍♀️)    all I know is I feel zero connection or love between ramen head and Janelle and Meri 

Edited December 5, 2022 by suev3333
Had to vent more

[toodywoody]

Kidney saying about the wife and husband should go see the kids together is bs and nothing but a way to control Jenelle. First off he should be making plans to see all his kids, pre covid, during covid and now. Since the other 3 wives were made to deal with their households and kids throughout the years and Robyn knew what family she was getting into, then her nanny having ass should be just fine without him there to go see his other kids. But that's the way she controls him. She wants to sit there and say how she cares so much for this family when that's bullshit. Why were the other wives allowed to handle their own shit and Robyn can't and Robyn's kids can't. Those two youngest should be taught that Dad has other kids he needs to go see and spend time with. And how many days does Kidney spend away when he goes to sell guns? I think it's all crap and it's something Kidney let happen. So he needs to own up to his own shit relationships with his other kids. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by toodywoody

[Art Of Noiz]

Kody is such an effin liar. He has been trying to get the 3 OG to leave since before we saw S16e1. He said he told Logan he thought he had made a mistake wirh plural marriage. 

In the 1st episode, at the lunch meeting Janelle called, he said he was settled. At "Robyn's house." Then locked his fingers. Ok where is a sneer emoji when you need it?

14 minutes ago, toodywoody said:

Kidney saying about the wife and husband should go see the kids together is bs and nothing but a way to control Jenelle. First off he should be making plans to see all his kids, pre covid, during covid and now. Since the other 3 wives were made to deal with their households and kids throughout the years and Robyn knew what family she was getting into, then her nanny having ass should be just fine without him there to go see his other kids. But that's the way she controls him. She wants to sit there and say how she cares so much for this family when that's bullshit. Why were the other wives allowed to handle their own shit and Robyn can't and Robyn's kids can't. Those two youngest should be taught that Dad has other kids he needs to go see and spend time with. And how many days does Kidney spend away when he goes to sell guns? I think it's all crap and it's something Kidney let happen. So he needs to own up to his own shit relationships with his other kids. 

🏆 🏆 🏆  for nanny having ass!! 

[Pooky]

Omg. I just can't. Kody and Robyn have 0 awareness. Oh so they were all crying because they missed each other.. boo fucken hoo. They live in the same house ffs. This tell all better be bloody good. When is someone going to call this arsehole out!! I really dgaf about Robyn and her having covid. They both make me sick! Poor Gabe. Its tragic how he treats his non Robyn family!! 

[Irate Panda]

Are we just ignoring Robyn’s “Cleopatra” costume? Also, I’ll bet my imaginary Coyote Pass lot than Robyn and Kody think Cleopatra and King Tut were married.

[ladyscorpio]

Wow, watching this asshole Kody makes my blood boil!! I do not understand how the hell is Janelle okay with how he treats her kids?? Especially Gabe! She is telling Kody he is her best friend and she wants to stay with him!! Omg, if any man treated my son/kids like that, my mama bear would castrate them!! I don't care if he is the bio dad!! That makes it even worse!! Why is she okay with this?? Everyone keeps saying she's so smart and such a strong woman, I don't see that, because she sees and hears the way he treats her kids, yet she doesn't do anything about it. I think maybe it's low self esteem or maybe she doesn't think she can have a better life and meet someone else. It doesn't show her ever putting him in his place. She stays silent when he's there in person.  In her talking head she will say things, but not to him. It's frustrating to see her not defend her kids. Sobbyn sure did a number on him, now they are both the "victims" in this mess. He is so blind to see how she destroyed the whole family!! And she has him believing that she is the one being bullied!! I hope they both read all the comments on Instagram and Reddit. I hear rumors that Janelle has left him, I hope it's true. He was totally trying to manipulate her into leaving just like Christine did. Notice when she says she wants to make it work with him, he gets all quiet and doesn't know what to say, like he's bugged that his efforts to push her away isn't working. That was their plan all along, to check off all of the wives, one by one, so they can be together just the two of them and Sobbyn's kids. They're probably planning on giving away the extra lots on CP to Sobbyn's adult children. I hope TLC cancels Kody and Sobbyn. 

[taragel]

53 minutes ago, Misslindsey said:

Poor Gabe, but we do have the same birthday.

Me too! October 11 Libras, unite!

That Kody would call him on his birthday, when their relationship had already been pretty estranged and he gave Gabe so much flack about not obeying his "protoculls" only to say "Oh shit, Robyn and the kids (and maybe me) got it anyway. What should I do now? I'm so confused!" is so perfectly egregious that it's right on brand for Kody. Of all the needy selfish things you could call and ask him about (and there are so many, when it comes to Kody)... how to protect Robyn/you from Covid is like literally the very worst possible thing. The fact that there was no follow up confessional with Kody about it also seems very telling -- though a little surprised they didn't have one where they clearly ask Kody about it and he complains that he was out of his mind with Covid AND ROBYN MIGHT DIE, how could Gabe dare expect him to remember something as insignificant as his birthday.

I wish Janelle had been more pissed and challenged him more at that restaurant. She's great in the talking heads, not so much in the room/on her feet. Define loyalty, Kody, without mentioning Robyn (or Christine). Can you even do it? I have a hard time blaming her or any of the OG wives for sticking it out so long though. Even though the Browns aren't religious or following the polygamist/Mormon traditions much, they all clearly have some indoctrination issues they can't shake. Anyone who can say "I won't give up on this marriage even though I'm not sure I love him" has a whole magazine rack to work through probably. 

I'm loving how terrible this all is for Kody, but this does feel like an incredibly long season, eh?  (I'm also amused that even after leaving him and being in Utah, Christine still has more screen time than Meri.)  I thought for sure this was the finale and next week would be a tell-all. If they even do one. I would love for them to get Leah Remini to host it. Haha.

Edited December 5, 2022 by taragel

[SunnyBeBe]

Unless, Kody is faking a lot of his bizarre behavior, I wonder if he might have something wrong….I mean really wrong.  Like maybe he needs a full neurological work up.  When he was debating over going into the ER….I thought it might have been a good idea. , but not for covid. There are some neurological disorders that cause people to lose it, like he’s been doing. Even a vitamin deficiency can cause cognition issues.  He might have been annoying before, but this is to a whole other level. Plus, Janelle talked about things she told him, yet he has no memory if it. Plus,  forgetting birthdays, forgetting kids ages, mixing up what he’s said before and to whom, emotional outbursts, depression, etc…….it should be checked out.  

Edited December 5, 2022 by SunnyBeBe

[GeeGolly]

Don't get me wrong, I think its horrible Kody forgot Gabe's birthday...

...but I thought every family 'secretly' texted everyone with reminders of whoever's birthday it is. Just my family?

Oh and as mentioned above - Ari and Sol. If they did a Tell All with those two, I'm sure they know everything, even more than we do.

[GrammyPammy]

Kody: “Robyn always makes sure things are awesome for the kids”

like trick-or-treating at their own house.

Also, Robyn looked terrifying in that Cleopatra get-up…

Edited December 5, 2022 by GrammyPammy

[UsernameFatigue]

That TH of Gabe crying was heart breaking. I don't understand why Janelle keeps giving Kody the benefit of the doubt where her kids are concerned. Also, Geez Louise (or Geez Janelle) WTH was she talking about, Kody not being his usual optimistic self during Covid? Kody hasn't been optimistic since the majority of his kids figured him out, and kicked him to the curb. And true to his narcissistic self, he is blaming everyone else for where his life is now. 

I was laughing at Kody's assertion that he never thought he would be known as someone who had been divorced (to paraphrase). Gee Kody, you have a real honest to goodness legal divorce from Meri. Remember, when you conned her into divorcing you so you could make Robyn your legal wife? Not to mention you stated recently on the show that you do not considered Meri to be a wife, that you are divorced from her spiritually as well. Despite Robyn's assertion that you can't 'divorce' a wife without the church's blessing, 

So, lets see, divorced both legally from Meri, and whatever the other version is, in your head. Christine says the two of you didn't need to get divorced by the church as neither of you follow the church's teachings any longer. So you are divorced in one way or another from half of your wives. You certainly seem bent on getting rid of Janelle as well. And honestly, you would be doing her a favour, as it is just pathetic to have Janelle consider you her best friend, when you can barely stomach being around her. 

I was totally fascinated by how much younger Robyn looked with Covid, sans makeup. I always assumed her horrible eyebrows were tattooed on, but since they were normal looking when she had Covid, maybe not? She looked sooooo much better with normal eyebrows. 

[drinavictoria]

Poor Robyn wasting away like Catherine Earnshaw on the parlor sofa .

[Celia Rubenstein]

Did anyone else notice the tears in Kody's eyes as he described seeing Aurora, who had been isolating in the basement while everyone at her house was sick?  He was on the verge of bawling saying "it's been like ... ten days!" 

How long does Kody go without seeing (or even talking to) his other children?  Where are his tears for them? 

[Pooky]

So Mr Drama queen wants to check in to hospital to see Mrs Crybaby. Holy fuck. Its not a motel you weak as pos. 

Janelle you are joking right. Wake up lady. You are next. Go hug your son now because he needs it!

[js9548]

Question. I have read on this site that Cody was not vaccinated. Is he an anti-vaxxer?  He seemed to want to follow his doctor's recommendations regarding social distancing. Or was this to just avoid the rest of the family? If Cody isn't vaccinated, I assume Robyn and family are not vaccinated either. Are Christine, Janelle, and families vaccinated? I am not saying they would not still catch Covid if vaccinated but it may not have been as severe as their cases seemed to be. 

[MsMalin]

I live in Pennsylvania an hour away from the Amish community. I was very excited last night as I was watching SW to see a commercial pop up on my screen for a new show about the Amish community. They showed an Amish woman talking on screen. Holy Shit that wasn't an Amish woman, it was Robyn with no makeup in her hoodie.  The unrecognizable natural eye brows threw me off.

But seriously, I felt like a very bad person as I sat watching the second half of last nights show with a smirk on my face. I have never laughed at another persons illness but I just couldn't help it. And Kody, it is 2022, people don't go to the hospital to die, they go to get better. My grandmother thought people went to the hospital to die because they did back in 1900.  Oh and if you really believe that, does that mean you were willing to let your daughter go all alone to the hospital in NJ to die? You are a real POS.

Hey Kody, Janelle and Christine had 20 more years of history together under many different experiences, that is why they are close. Why can't you get that into your thick skull?

Nice that they had a guest appearance by Meri to prove she is still alive and kicking. There can't be any family interactions shown, she can only comment on other interactions. Please Meri, I beg you...make it final and declare you are divorced for the second time.

Edited December 5, 2022 by MsMalin

[MsMalin]

6 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

I really hope the kids don't watch this mess. Kody crying about not being able to see one of Robyn's daughters for 10 days -  while she lives under the same roof with him - was a total gut punch coming from the dude who flippantly stated his underage daughter with chronic pain could get on a plane ALONE to get freakin' back surgery BY. HERSELF. in NJ.  Utterly disgusted and mind boggling.

This! He can't use the excuse that she is a young child. They all sobbed, het he can't understand his other children's animosity because he made no effort to see them.

[Kellyee]

If Gabe completely kissed Robyn's ass and apologized for his perceived offense, he still wouldn't have a good relationship with his father. Instead he would just be Meri, an outsider and sometimes tolerated afterthought who gets an occasional compliment for being a good little doormat. 

This is a typical divorce/remarriage situation. Kody's focus is on his new wife and kids. There is nothing Gabe can do to fix it. 

[Elodia]

2 hours ago, js9548 said:

Question. I have read on this site that Cody was not vaccinated. Is he an anti-vaxxer?  He seemed to want to follow his doctor's recommendations regarding social distancing. Or was this to just avoid the rest of the family? If Cody isn't vaccinated, I assume Robyn and family are not vaccinated either. Are Christine, Janelle, and families vaccinated? I am not saying they would not still catch Covid if vaccinated but it may not have been as severe as their cases seemed to be. 

I also read Kody isn't vaccinated, Mykelti and Tony also aren't vaccinated. Mykelti said they didn't want to and that it was a matter of "personal freedom". I doubt any of them are vaccinated, and of course for Kody and Robyn  Covid was a welcome excuse for not having to deal with the rest of the family. 

[TurtlePower]

And the Asshole of the Year award goes to: KODY BROWN!

The hypocrisy of this man. All his COVID concerns which he was mean to everyone about and they still got it (the vaccine was available at that time, did these people even get it? I’d had two doses by spring 2021 and an additional in fall due to medical condition).

Kody forgetting Gabe’s birthday — heartbreaking.

I was glad they showed very little of Meri. She’s kinda just there like a barnacle on the side of a boat - it’s there you just forget about it.

Robyn saying she’s so bad off with no O2 support — I don’t blame her for going to get checked out, but do blame her for being over-dramatic about it. If she needed oxygen, she would have been on it. 

Kody has made it abundantly clear he favours Robyn and Robyn alone. He doesn’t care for his and Janelle’s kids.  I truly hope Janelle has left the situation.

Don’t really care what Meri does at this point. Yawn. Kody, Robyn and Meri deserve each other. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by TurtlePower

[Granny58]

7 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

only in relation to Covid coming to Chez Robyn's and wanting to compare notes

that's how I saw it. 

[Ms.Lulu]

27 minutes ago, Elodia said:

I also read Kody isn't vaccinated, Mykelti and Tony also aren't vaccinated. Mykelti said they didn't want to and that it was a matter of "personal freedom". I doubt any of them are vaccinated, and of course for Kody and Robyn  Covid was a welcome excuse for not having to deal with the rest of the family. 

Paedon has said that Kody isn't vaccinated. I'm guessing that due to patriarchy that means none of Robyn or her kids are vaccinated.

Christine has talked about being vaccinated and Janelle has mentioned members of her family being vaccinated.  Janelle's called out Garrison and Hunter specifically.

Edited December 5, 2022 by Ms.Lulu

[Granny58]

7 hours ago, NotinKansasanymore said:

So did Kody just say that he is not going to have holidays with Janelle’s boys until they apologize to him and Robyn?

Did he also say he doesn't feel "safe" (his favorite word) with them?  I know he used it last night at some ridiculous point but don't remember where.  

7 hours ago, Misslindsey said:

Also, Kody telling Janelle it isn't right that a wife goes to visit their kids without the husband.

My mom would come visit me without my dad due to his health problems.  It was perfectly fine.  

[TurtlePower]

20 minutes ago, Granny58 said:

Did he also say he doesn't feel "safe" (his favorite word) with them?  I know he used it last night at some ridiculous point but don't remember where.  

My mom would come visit me without my dad due to his health problems.  It was perfectly fine.  

Kody is holding onto grudges and looking for every way to perpetuate the strained relationship. One segment he says he doesn’t want an apology and then contradicts himself the next, saying that is what he wants.

It’s just been Robyn Robyn Robyn this whole season, worse than ever. He knows the remaining 2 can never be Robyn. He’ll have her at the risk of losing everyone else he married and kids he brought into this world. And he’ll probably still blame THEM. 

[sheshark]

When Janelle dared to ask Kootie how he would feel if the situation were reversed, his smirk basically said “Who would want you, Janelle?” and for that alone she should have walked.  I’m guessing the show producers, etc are just letting it all hang out now.  Somewhere along the line they decided to give up their happy story line and found the real stuff is what the public wants.

[altopower]

We saw Gabe break down talking about that non-birthday call from Kody. But I'm wondering if he told Janelle about it. A little kid would, but he's older and trying to shoulder things on his own. My guess is that he would have told a brother before his mom. And if Janelle did know, and still thinks Kody is her best friend, I wash my hands of her. 

[altopower]

5 minutes ago, sheshark said:

When Janelle dared to ask Kootie how he would feel if the situation were reversed, his smirk basically said “Who would want you, Janelle?” and for that alone she should have walked.  

Janelle used a lot of silence in that "conversation" with Kody. It wasn't a nice adult chat. Her shoulders were so hunched I thought she was going to pinch her head in her efforts to stay calm and not react from the gut to the incoherent and contradictory things he was throwing at her. That line about reversed situations was one of them that seemed to shock him that she would even ASK, because of course the world revolves around him.

[TurtlePower]

10 minutes ago, altopower said:

We saw Gabe break down talking about that non-birthday call from Kody. But I'm wondering if he told Janelle about it. A little kid would, but he's older and trying to shoulder things on his own. My guess is that he would have told a brother before his mom. And if Janelle did know, and still thinks Kody is her best friend, I wash my hands of her. 

I think she was saying “best friend” as a reminiscence, not the current state, to see how he responded. I also think Janelle is starting to truly realise where she stands with Kody — even telling him she cares for him doesn’t seem to affect his terrible behaviour towards her. 

Edited December 5, 2022 by TurtlePower

[steff13]

I think the Kody/Janelle lunch and Janelle's assertion that Kody is her BFF happened before the Gabe non-birthday call, so that situation wasn't in play yet.  

[Maire]

Everyone has commented so well on Kody and his nastiness. One thing I couldn’t believe is that they don’t even do the easiest things for each other. When I’ve had friends or family with COVID I made them meals or dropped off groceries. They just wring their hands like what can I do? They don’t do the most basic things to help each other.

[65mickey]

My youngest daughter had covid in April of this year. The CEO of the company that she works for brought her soup becase she had no family close by. She was vaccinated and boosted but still got Covid. She had a fever for less than 24 hours and a stuffy head cold for about a week. She said is was nothing compared to how sick she was when she had the flu several years ago. Maybe if Kody and company had bothered to get vaccinated Robyn wouldn't have ended up "wasting away" in the ER.  Oh wait all of her test came back fine. 

Did I hear correctly that during one of her talking heads Janelle referred to Kody as her lover?  Maybe I dreamed that because I kept falling asleep during the show.  If she did say this there is no hope for her. She has now officially become Meri 2.

[TurtlePower]

5 minutes ago, 65mickey said:

My youngest daughter had covid in April of this year. The CEO of the company that she works for brought her soup becase she had no family close by. She was vaccinated and boosted but still got Covid. She had a fever for less than 24 hours and a stuffy head cold for about a week. She said is was nothing compared to how sick she was when she had the flu several years ago. Maybe if Kody and company had bothered to get vaccinated Robyn wouldn't have ended up "wasting away" in the ER.  Oh wait all of her test came back fine. 

Did I hear correctly that during one of her talking heads Janelle referred to Kody as her lover?  Maybe I dreamed that because I kept falling asleep during the show.  If she did say this there is no hope for her. She has now officially become Meri 2.

I don’t think so, because she’s willing to admit it might not be working out (and I think this comment was a reminiscence). I don’t see Janelle in denial like Meri seems to be (who is unrealistically hoping for a renewal). Kody has been dismissive and absent towards Janelle’s kids and if push comes to shove, she will choose them over Kody.

I hope, anyways. Janelle does have a history of speaking up and then caving under pressure (the flagstaff move is one example). Kody seems to be helping push her out the door. 

[steff13]

I don't know if I heard Janelle call Kody her lover, but I was surprised when she emphasized that all aspects of their marriage were good, and Christine said the same.  I assumed they stopped being intimate years ago, but with Christine's focus on the lack of intimacy it seems like if she thought Kody and Jenelle weren't being intimate she wouldn't have said that.  

Edited December 5, 2022 by steff13