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I wonder if Christine is going to get her spiritual marriage to Kody undone.  If she does, that puts Kody in an interesting predicament.  In order to have his own kingdom, doesn't he need three wives?  If that's the case, he can't afford to lose Meri.  I wonder if his dynamic with her will change after Christine leaves.  And I only even thought of this because Kody keeps counting only three wives.  So by that logic, he's only got two right now. 

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13 hours ago, Elodia said:

Having a visible scar seems like an absolute horror to them, it's mindblowing. Maybe this explains Robyn's goiter, as Thyroid surgery will leave a scar on the neck.  When it has healed well, it is barely noticable.  I wouldn't care about a scar if I was just fine then. Getting a scar shouldn't prevent anyone from having important surgery.

So true and well said! My second child was born via emergency section and left me with a pretty nasty scar. I’ve absolutely no regrets, nor did I have any doubts when they told me it had to happen as it saved my son’s life. 
Guess that’s what bothers me so about Kody… I would give my life to keep my kids safe and support them when they need me most.

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1 hour ago, chi-girl said:

I wonder if Christine is going to get her spiritual marriage to Kody undone.  If she does, that puts Kody in an interesting predicament.  In order to have his own kingdom, doesn't he need three wives?  If that's the case, he can't afford to lose Meri.  I wonder if his dynamic with her will change after Christine leaves.  And I only even thought of this because Kody keeps counting only three wives.  So by that logic, he's only got two right now. 

Since Kody et al are not supported or endorsed by the AUB anymore, I guess he makes up the rules as he goes about all that stuff, from God’s mouth to his ear.  There are many polygamous offshoots of LDS, so who knows, maybe he’s staked a claim on his own version?

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Having to deflate a lung didn't sound like such a great idea, either; I'm still curious what they had against the traditional surgery, but that's the wacky Browns for ya...

For once, I think the Browns (ok - Christine, but Kody didn't give a shit, ever) made a good call. I think the older procedure is outdated and left the patient with a pretty rigid spine, plus the surgeon said that they couldn't have achieved the degree of correction they did with the older procedure. If they were at RWJ, that's a very well-respected hospital and the surgeon struck me as intelligent and well-educated. 

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1 hour ago, LilyD said:

But what really infuriated all of us here, was downplaying Ysabel’s pain (he never took it seriously) and prioritizing his healthy kids Sol and Ari because apparently, they couldn’t be without dad for a few weeks

Amen.  My mom was a military wife and dad was often overseas for weeks, months and even up to a year once.  It was fine.  and (gasp) no nanny!!!

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So Kody wants to kick Garrison out of Janelle's house because he is not adhering to Kody's rules, but didn't he just complain last week that Janelle was also not adhering to his rules by travelling? And he complains that his wives do not have any time for Meri, but he as her freakin' husband has no time for her. Despite the fact that she is all alone and actually wants to spend time with the POS. I am surprised that KoDouche didn't suggest that Garrison move in with Meri since Kody doesn't care if he sees either one. 

Why did Janelle not explain to Kody, rather than to us in a TH, that she has spent lots of time without Kody as one of 4 wives, so of course her kids would come first. Duh.

I wonder if the reason Robyn has a nanny is that Kody is angling for a 5th wife? Though I think Robyn is the boss of Kody, and I don't think that will happen. At least until she gets tired of the manchild.

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On 12/19/2021 at 11:51 PM, Sasha888 said:

This.

Meri is that person who bulldogs someone until out of pure frustration, they say "Only if you were the LAST woman on Earth!" and then she says "So you're saying there's a chance???"

Even if it's for TLC cash, geez. Have some respect for yourself.

I have "hope" that Keanu's coming me for me any day now too, but I have the sense not tell anybody about it. Except you guys, anonymously! 🤣

 

That's funny!!  I've been waiting YEARS now for George Clooney to appear in my life!

And WHY does Sobbyn have a NANNY???

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I am guessing Christine signed up for faith-based health plan.  Faith-based plans are health agreements that are designed to meet the same general needs as health insurance.  The plans are groups of people who voluntarily work together to share the burden of medical expenses.  Healthcare sharing plans are usually faith-based, meaning participants share the same religious beliefs.  They assist each other with the cost of medical bills and help to protect plan members against catastrophic financial loss due to medical bills.

If I am correct, the faith-based plan would pay for Ysabel's surgery and in return Christine would help others pay for their surgeries by making monthly contributions to the shared pot. 

This would also explain why she had to find a plan that would accept her.

That's my guess.

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So right now Janelle is pretty much homeless. She has the trailer parked and is living with one of her sons. 

Can she really embrace plural life. She’s kind of the throw away wife. 

She has two sister wives with homes. Meri and Robin.    Why???  Why??? Is she homeless?

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5 hours ago, LilyD said:

I kinda see where you are coming from and acknowledge your worry as it is indeed very real. However… he is a parent and with that, comes the responsibility to look after your child and support it whenever you can. This procedure was a HUGE thing and if your kid needs to have a horrible major procedure and wants you there, you’d better be there. Pandemic or not… There really was no excuse to let your kid down at such an important moment in life and I think Kody’s decision left a bigger and more painful scar on her soul than that scoliosis surgery on her body.

But what really infuriated all of us here, was downplaying Ysabel’s pain (he never took it seriously) and prioritizing his healthy kids Sol and Ari because apparently, they couldn’t be without dad for a few weeks… If I were Robyn, I would have personally packed his bag and kicked him out with the instructions not to come back for the next 6 weeks! That’s what any true mother would do!

Sorry, I should have separated those two somewhat competing thoughts into two posts.  OF COURSE Kody should have been with Ysabel and Christine for the surgery.  He kept saying he "couldn't" go, which was completely self-serving and patently false.  If someone's cutting into your child with sharp instruments, you are there, come hell or high water or global pandemic.  It's unthinkable that Kody took a pass.  For shame.

 

 

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4 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I wonder if the reason Robyn has a nanny is that Kody is angling for a 5th wife? Though I think Robyn is the boss of Kody, and I don't think that will happen. At least until she gets tired of the manchild.

Maybe the nanny is for Kody? He would drive me to distraction and I would need someone on hand to watch and make sure he didn't get into stuff while I cleaned or paid bills.

Ooo or maybe the nanny is already their 5th wife and they're just keeping it under wraps? 😂 

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7 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

I don't think Kody is "hinting" that Meri should court him.  I don't know how any man can make it any clearer to any woman that he is over/done with her forever.

Remember last season he actually said she wasn't, and needed to be, courting him. I think that was during the car ride to the roadside picnic of doom.

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1 hour ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Remember last season he actually said she wasn't, and needed to be, courting him. I think that was during the car ride to the roadside picnic of doom.

When Kody said that to Meri in the car, she may have thought...Oooh, I've got this, I have packed some of my world famous rice krispie treats in the picnic basket, and the way to a man's heart and all...

It may have been more effective if she had tossed a few bananas in the basket and demonstrated her skills in that department.  I am positive that when Kody saw that photo when she was "courting" the catfish it was more than he could bear. 

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On 12/20/2021 at 11:11 AM, BradandJanet said:

What was Cody going on about how they waited until they could get the "right" surgery without pins and screws? The doctor was on camera saying the curvature was so bad he had to put in some hardware.

The hardware was planned (to attach the tethers to the vertebra), but he had to do things (rib separations?) in more places than expected to restore as close to ideal as possible spinal position - in terms of the stiffness of the curve/spine, correcting individual twisted/turned vertebra, re-creating the *normal*/correct spinal curvature that's often destroyed by severe scoliosis, etc. But the two screws in each vertebra were planned/expected.

Kody is just a MF asshole painting it as worthwhile to have pushed the surgery off as long as they did, in a "well if it got us to this best surgery we can't regret that" kind of way.

On 12/20/2021 at 3:41 PM, all4mom2 said:

I am confused why Isabelle is BOTH on heavy-duty painkillers every three hours AND "in soooooo much pain!!!" all the time.  Either they're not working, or it's a story line.  When you take narcotics, you're not in pain.  You're FEELING no pain.

Also, what was wrong with the tried-and-true rod-and-screw method?  The cable thing just sounds sketchy, like it will fail at some point.  JMO.

Uh, really not necessarily the case re narcotics, and they'd have prescribed as lightly as possible both nowadays and in a teenager. My guess is she's also on muscle relaxants, re painful spasms in the muscle cut through outside the ribs (though the back muscles were spared) and NSAIDS, which - in my parents' experience - helped more with muscle spasms than the muscle relaxants. Possibly something like gabapentin/lyrica/cymbalta depending on the nerve involvement where they separated muscle; that works better for nerve pain than any painkiller or NSAID. And multiple ribs were separated.

I'm medical, and from what I know (which is hardly in-depth on these exact surgeries!), I would prefer this surgery for my own kid - whichever has the worse immediate recovery, it so far looks better to me long-term in terms of mobility.

So I did notice that they were gone for six weeks - two weeks were the pre-op quarantine, then the hospitalization was expected to be five days and they planned to fly home another five days after that. So they stayed local an extra two, two and a half weeks to get her more able to travel, and near the doctors for follow-up and medication adjustment. I could also *swear* I saw, back at the time, one of the daughters - Mykelti? - say on IG that Kody was going out *after* the surgery, to only need to be quarantined from "everyone else" for two weeks versus the two weeks pre-op then whatever time post-op? I obviously didn't follow that too closely, but it was news to me that he didn't end up going out post-op after all.

It isn't *quite* Flagstaff to NJ distance, but we rental-RVed one of my parents to their across-a-decent-chunk-of-the-US rare-cancer specialist repeatedly during COVID, as no one was wild about them in airports, and direct flights aren't an option so a decent layover is unavoidable. (We flew in N95s pre-COVID.) You do what you gotta do. As someone else said, Kody was neither deceased nor deployed, so there's zero excuse.

Even before factoring in THE NANNY.

12 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

I don't think Kody is "hinting" that Meri should court him.  I don't know how any man can make it any clearer to any woman that he is over/done with her forever.

The jerk literally told her she should be courting him to her last season, in the car. He absolutely wants it both ways.

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12 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I wonder if the reason Robyn has a nanny is that Kody is angling for a 5th wife?

or she doesn't want him to think about a 5th wife and needs all her reserves to keep him happy 🤢, hence the nanny for the mundane tasks of life, such as parenting.  She's keeping it all sexy-time.

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10 hours ago, goofygirl said:

That's funny!!  I've been waiting YEARS now for George Clooney to appear in my life!

And WHY does Sobbyn have a NANNY???

Got a thingk for Jonathan of the Property Brothers like you wouldn't believe, but no interest from my dream date, yet!!!  Oh Jonathan, 'nannas can't hold a candle to you, darlin.  Come let me give ya a taste of some Tennessee sugar, shugga!!!

🥰💞😍🤣🤣

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15 hours ago, LilyD said:

But what really infuriated all of us here, was downplaying Ysabel’s pain (he never took it seriously)

I guess when you don't carry medical insurance on your kids, you have to downplay the pain for 9 months until you can get some kind of coverage.

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16 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

I don't think Kody is "hinting" that Meri should court him.  I don't know how any man can make it any clearer to any woman that he is over/done with her forever.

But if Kody leaves Meri he loses his place in heaven.  If Meri leaves him he 's golden!  Maybe she's playing with him by staying!

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Hunter has always been one of my favorite Brown kids. Actually Janelle's kids in general seem like great kids, as do most of Christine's kids (so basically anyone not named Mariah or Robyn's children - although Sol does seem like a sweet little boy). He seems so family-focused and genuinely kind. Somebody did something right with those kids. 

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16 hours ago, chi-girl said:

I wonder if Christine is going to get her spiritual marriage to Kody undone.  If she does, that puts Kody in an interesting predicament.  In order to have his own kingdom, doesn't he need three wives?  If that's the case, he can't afford to lose Meri.  I wonder if his dynamic with her will change after Christine leaves.  And I only even thought of this because Kody keeps counting only three wives.  So by that logic, he's only got two right now. 

I doubt if anyone will "spiritually divorce" anyone; they believe marriage is for eternity.  That doesn't mean they have to live together or even see each other.

10 hours ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Remember last season he actually said she wasn't, and needed to be, courting him. I think that was during the car ride to the roadside picnic of doom.

That was last season.  He couldn't make it any clearer this season he is DONE; stick a fork in him...

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5 minutes ago, all4mom2 said:

That was last season.  He couldn't make it any clearer this season he is DONE; stick a fork in him...

But I wonder if now with Christine leaving, he knows deep down that he actually needs Meri to stick around or there's no show?  Unless Christine is going to continue to be filmed in Utah and TLC is going to show us how this wonky dysfunctional family is going to work even when they are divided (no lie, I would tune in for that)...otherwise, what are we going to watch?  Kody and Janelle's awkward non-relationship, Kody and Meri doing a gross will-they-or-won't-they dance around each other, and Robyn dry-crying that none of this is what she wanted because she loves everyone!

I fill like the balance is going to tip just a little when Christine leaves, and Kody is going to need Meri just a little more than she needs him to keep the gravy train rolling, which I think is far more important to him than him getting his own planet.  

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18 hours ago, chi-girl said:

 

I wonder if Christine is going to get her spiritual marriage to Kody undone.  If she does, that puts Kody in an interesting predicament.  In order to have his own kingdom, doesn't he need three wives?  If that's the case, he can't afford to lose Meri.  I wonder if his dynamic with her will change after Christine leaves.  And I only even thought of this because Kody keeps counting only three wives.  So by that logic, he's only got two right now. 

 

Maybe Meri’s Plan is to tag along to Planet Kody instead of being alone for all eternity but I wouldn’t put it past Kody to start the search for another Robin approved wife! Maybe the Nanny (thinking of Fran Drescher...) will be a contender. 

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12 hours ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Maybe the nanny is for Kody? He would drive me to distraction and I would need someone on hand to watch and make sure he didn't get into stuff while I cleaned or paid bills.

Ooo or maybe the nanny is already their 5th wife and they're just keeping it under wraps? 😂 

5 plots for 5 houses too.

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18 hours ago, LilyD said:

I kinda see where you are coming from and acknowledge your worry as it is indeed very real. However… he is a parent and with that, comes the responsibility to look after your child and support it whenever you can. This procedure was a HUGE thing and if your kid needs to have a horrible major procedure and wants you there, you’d better be there. Pandemic or not… There really was no excuse to let your kid down at such an important moment in life and I think Kody’s decision left a bigger and more painful scar on her soul than that scoliosis surgery on her body.

But what really infuriated all of us here, was downplaying Ysabel’s pain (he never took it seriously) and prioritizing his healthy kids Sol and Ari because apparently, they couldn’t be without dad for a few weeks… If I were Robyn, I would have personally packed his bag and kicked him out with the instructions not to come back for the next 6 weeks! That’s what any true mother would do!

You have stated this so perfectly.  Kody and Robyn should be ashamed of themselves for their complete lack of empathy, kindness, or human feeling.  They are both narcissists and deserve each other.  Kody can't be bothered to be there for Ysabel for a major surgery, yet prances off, unmasked, with Robyn to Victoria's Secret (haven't they wised up and banned her? She must be their best customer, when she's paying her bills.)

When Christine mentioned "nanny" in the previews, I was livid.  I am so glad at least one of these other wives wised up and got the heck out of there. I'm sure they are still practicing their version of polygamy for the reality show and will do anything to continue it, including getting a new sister wife.  

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5 hours ago, Mr. Miner said:

I guess when you don't carry medical insurance on your kids, you have to downplay the pain for 9 months until you can get some kind of coverage.

Does this mean they had to wait 9 months for open enrollment?  Then, isn’t there a waiting period until insurance starts paying for stuff?  This is shocking to me since it means Ysabel suffered in at least two major ways: (1) more constant pain, and (2) additional curvature of her spine.  
 

And on top of this, didn’t Kody want them to wait even longer??!!  So he could potentially accompany them post-Covid?!

 

I’m beside myself over this selfishness.  It’s downright abusive.  

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16 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

So right now Janelle is pretty much homeless. She has the trailer parked and is living with one of her sons. 

Can she really embrace plural life. She’s kind of the throw away wife. 

She has two sister wives with homes. Meri and Robin.    Why???  Why??? Is she homeless?

Plenty of people live in RVs, especially fifth wheelers, full-time; I wouldn't call that "homeless."  In fact, IMO you're LESS "homeless" at least owning that as opposed to renting a house.  She's said in the past she'd be perfectly happy living this way.

3 hours ago, KateHearts said:

Honestly, I think Janelle is the type who really doesn't have much sexual interest in a husband; he fathered her (great) kids, they seem to be able to communicate without tension, and between them they provided the bulk of financial support of the family in the early years. She worked and her kids were provided for by Christine; now that they are older Janelle is just hanging out, doing whatever she does (gardening? living in a camper? fishing?)  Her kids are launched, and she has the (minimal) amount of contact with Kody as she needs.  Seems to work for her.

Truth to tell, a lot of women "of a certain age" are not interested in going at it like rabbits anymore.  Probably including Robyn.  With the possible exception of Meri.

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Above Ms.Lulu mentioned Christine may have found some faith-based "insurance" and that could explain all the oddities in this case.  Christine needed a GoFundMe and hyper LulaNO sales to raise $50,000 in Spring 2020 before the Fall surgery.  Hospitals & ACA don't require such large amounts of cash months in advance, but a faith-based pot of money that funds future payouts probably would.

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On 12/21/2021 at 2:25 PM, LilyD said:

I kinda see where you are coming from and acknowledge your worry as it is indeed very real. However… he is a parent and with that, comes the responsibility to look after your child and support it whenever you can. This procedure was a HUGE thing and if your kid needs to have a horrible major procedure and wants you there, you’d better be there. Pandemic or not… There really was no excuse to let your kid down at such an important moment in life and I think Kody’s decision left a bigger and more painful scar on her soul than that scoliosis surgery on her body.

But what really infuriated all of us here, was downplaying Ysabel’s pain (he never took it seriously) and prioritizing his healthy kids Sol and Ari because apparently, they couldn’t be without dad for a few weeks… If I were Robyn, I would have personally packed his bag and kicked him out with the instructions not to come back for the next 6 weeks! That’s what any true mother would do!

He could have found a way to go that didn’t violate Covid protocols. He and Christine probably would have had to trade off days in the hospital due to restrictions. But he could have gone. My BIL fell and shattered his knee in Nov 2020. My sis was able to be in the hospital with him amid stringent protocols. She did what she needed to do. 

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18 hours ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Remember last season he actually said she wasn't, and needed to be, courting him. I think that was during the car ride to the roadside picnic of doom.

Yes, they were in the car. They showed this scene at the very beginning of the last episode. 

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On 12/21/2021 at 9:21 PM, Jeanne222 said:

So right now Janelle is pretty much homeless. She has the trailer parked and is living with one of her sons. 

Can she really embrace plural life. She’s kind of the throw away wife. 

She has two sister wives with homes. Meri and Robin.    Why???  Why??? Is she homeless?

My guess is she and Meri would wind up killing each other and Sobbyn just said "NO!"

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11 hours ago, LotusFlower said:

Does this mean they had to wait 9 months for open enrollment?  Then, isn’t there a waiting period until insurance starts paying for stuff?  This is shocking to me since it means Ysabel suffered in at least two major ways: (1) more constant pain, and (2) additional curvature of her spine.  
 

And on top of this, didn’t Kody want them to wait even longer??!!  So he could potentially accompany them post-Covid?!

 

I’m beside myself over this selfishness.  It’s downright abusive.  

I think he wanted her to wait (because of Covid concerns), so he could be filmed for the episodes about her surgery.  

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I’m sure he wanted to be there to tell the nurses and doctors what to do. After all he does know everything about everything.

 I wonder if he told Christine to be sure to tell the medical staff that her husband has 4 wives. This would be sure to impress them in Kody’s head and is vital information. 

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42 minutes ago, lilysmom said:

Wait... I think I can see the content of the first 6 episodes of next season. How should we divide the property??? 

By then Janelle will want to install a pole barn, a farm big enough to breed thoroughbred ostriches, a fishing shanty to clean all those poisonous fish she's going to catch, and a small restaurant (Janelle's Rockstar Cafe) in addition to her greenhouses.

I fill like Janelle is asking for those greenhouses because A. she knows they're never going to build on that property, but B. in case they do, she gets the biggest and best plot of dirt.

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11 hours ago, Art Of Noiz said:

I think he wanted her to wait (because of Covid concerns), so he could be filmed for the episodes about her surgery.  

The very fact that the surgery was scheduled during a pandemic implies it couldn’t wait. I believe elective surgeries were already on hold at that time. Kody is a jackass. 

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20 hours ago, deirdra said:

Above someone mentioned Christine may have found some faith-based "insurance" and that could explain all the oddities in this case.  Christine needed a GoFundMe and hyper LulaNO sales to raise $50,000 in Spring 2020 before the Fall surgery.  Hospitals & ACA don't require such large amounts of cash months in advance, but a faith-based pot of money that funds future payouts probably would.

These faith-based funds are pretty restrictive and require documentation that you are as religious as you say you are. How did Christine find a group that accepted the Browns' rather "fluid" beliefs and had enough members to cover this expensive surgery? Also, these faith funds don't guarantee they can or will cover something. It sometimes just depends on how big the pot of money they have is. 

I'll bet Ysabel's surgery with all the other expenses like travel, hotel, physical therapy, etc, will end up close to 100K. 

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On 12/21/2021 at 10:44 PM, WhatAmIWatching said:

Maybe the nanny is for Kody? He would drive me to distraction and I would need someone on hand to watch and make sure he didn't get into stuff while I cleaned or paid bills.

Ooo or maybe the nanny is already their 5th wife and they're just keeping it under wraps? 😂 

This has been the proposed suggestion for a new season or two for this show for several years now.  I wouldn't put it past them, but honestly, I have no interest in that nonsense.

I want to see Christine living her life in joy after sacrificing nearly all of it to that nincompoop.

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Christine has starred in a reality show now for over 10 years. There is no way she is qualifying for Medicaid.

The $50k could easily be a year of premiums, plus travel expenses and to cover a high deductible. Christine has herself, Gwen, Isyabel, and Truely to insure, so I could easily see premiums being $2.5k a month for a plan with generous nationwide in-network. That's $30k in premiums alone, plus likely a $10k deductible. Set aside $10k for travel and that $50k is gone fast. I truely hope she didn't sent $50k off to a Samaritan cost sharing plan with the hopes that it *might* get paid.

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