S16.E05: Sad Sorry Lonely Little People

[Tabbygirl521]

Regarding the estrangement of the older sons, Google “polygamy and lost boys.”

[nosedive]

13 minutes ago, Kellyee said:

Christine bought that large house. No way would she qualify for Medicaid or even a large subsidy for Obamacare.

I believe one qualifies (or doesn't) for Obamacare (ACA) based on income, exclusive of assets.  

Edited December 20, 2021 by nosedive
typo

[Shelbie]

Kody boo-hooing about how he’s not the head of the house infuriated me.

I have always loathed the idea that just because someone has a penis he is in charge of everything regardless of intelligence, aptitude or common sense. Kody wants to be in charge of everything and everyone and is a seething pit of rage that he isn’t. He then takes out his anger on everyone around him. He is awful on every level.

[deirdra]

4 hours ago, LilyD said:

I’m actually wondering whether Kody offering Truely Liv water instead of hospital treatment was sheer stupidity or a calculated decision (no pun intended) because he knew he’d be getting a huge bill…..

Probably both - he is cheap and unobservant.  Kootie never paid enough attention to his kids to notice that a pale and limp 4-year old is not normal. Aspyn was only 15 and recognized the problem with Truely while Kootie was supposed to be in charge, 'babysitting' his own children (mugging for the cameras to show us what a great Dad he is because he spent 15 minutes of the wives-away weekend cooking hamburgers). Perhaps hiring a nanny is necessary to keep Sol & Areola from the "going to heaven early" concern he had in the last episode.

Edited December 20, 2021 by deirdra

[Chris Knight]

A nanny. Seriously. My word. Shame on Kody and Robyn. Really, I am flabbergasted at this revelation. I absolutely hate Kody and Robyn now more than ever.

I am afraid next week, contrary to what the preview implied, Janelle will actually be in Robyn's corner, saying she needs a nanny because of whatever, when really Janelle is just trying to stay on Kody's good side.

I just cannot believe they can justify a nanny, both financially and from a covid perspective, yet Kody cannot be there while his biological child and her mother endure a horrific surgery and recovery. 

Fantastic of Hunter, Aspyn and Aspyn's hubs to be there for their sister in her time of great need. And Christine's sister for opening their home. Excellent. 

Gosh, I hate Robyn and Kody so much !!!!

 

[Teafortwo]

5 hours ago, Elodia said:

Of course Robyn is in dire need of a nanny. Someone's got to take care of her spawn on the days (every day) when she sleeps in til noon. Or when she and Rahmenhead are looking for Victoria's secrets bargains while strolling maskless through a mall in Scottsdale.  

omigosh, maybe back in 2020 they had the nanny so they could get away to other places without the little ones - you know, "travel"!! I would not at all put it past them to have taken a vacation of their own during the pandemic, even while accusing Christine of doing so.

[deirdra]

6 minutes ago, Chris Knight said:

I just cannot believe they can justify a nanny, both financially and from a covid perspective, yet Kody cannot be there while his biological child and her mother endure a horrific surgery and recovery. 

Especially since Robyn said last week or the week before that Kody had given up "his work" during COVID.  So Robyn, Kody, Day'un, Aurorabreanna must all be hiding out in the mansion, but cannot take care of the younger two?  Draw up some babysitting chore rules and put them in a clear plastic sleeve! 

Edited December 20, 2021 by deirdra

[Adiba]

I do wonder if the nanny isn't some relative of Robyn's that is living with them--wasn't Robyn's niece living with them in LV? I know that niece did not move with them, but maybe they asked (enslaved) another relative to live with them for free room and board. Not saying that it justifies anything about Robyn and Kody needing a nanny/ full-time babysitter, but maybe that's how they'll explain the COVID issue? If not, I got nothing.

[Teafortwo]

The hoodie that Ysabel was wearing that her dad gave her had a logo with "Arms" on it. Something Arms. Probably the name of his gun biz.

[xwordfanatik]

I am in LOVE with Janelle's boys, most especially Hunter.  They've become caring men, in spite of their jealous asshole sperm donor.  Kootie is a worthless toad, and they ALL know it.  

So many golden comments here, and I haven't read them all yet.  I hope next week Robyn gets the smackdown of her life, about that nanny business.  We know who the rill princess is here, Kootie!  

 

[LilyD]

Kody is talking about all the stuff he does to go to heaven. I wonder whether he's finally realized that he unleashed his own personal hell on earth with all the things he's said and done this season! Oh boy, heaven has never been more out of reach than now!

[readheaded]

3 hours ago, Emmeline said:

I believe that under the affordable care act, health insurance companies can't refuse to cover you or charge you more just because you have a pre-existing condition. Before that they could ask.  So that was one of the really good things about it.  I’m sure Kody never wanted to pitch in for coverage.

Yes, this is right. The ACA prohibits insurance companies from excluding or charging more for pre-existing conditions. Unfortunately, people like the Browns have no regard for others and don’t understand that insurance is cheapest for everyone when everyone pays in from the start instead of just paying in when they’re in need of medical care. 

[readheaded]

1 hour ago, Shelbie said:

Kody boo-hooing about how he’s not the head of the house infuriated me.

I have always loathed the idea that just because someone has a penis he is in charge of everything regardless of intelligence, aptitude or common sense. Kody wants to be in charge of everything and everyone and is a seething pit of rage that he isn’t. He then takes out his anger on everyone around him. He is awful on every level.

Agreed! And I wanted to gag when he said that COVID exposed how they really feel about each other. No, we all knew what was up before COVID was ever a thing and we’ve all definitely known that Kody’s an ineffective asshole for forever. 

[laurakaye]

16 hours ago, lindalouwho said:

I just love Hunter. After all that he’s been through, he still puts his family first. Christine did a great job raising those kids.

This so much.  He's had a close bond with Christine from as far back as I can remember, and I also recall seeing him on the show playing with and holding Truely quite often when she was a baby/toddler.  I love that he was there telling Ysabel that her scar was indeed bad-ass. :)

 

15 hours ago, Sasha888 said:

Robyn should just stop talking at this point. Everything she says is hypocritical, because she's painted herself into a corner with her own choices. If she had any sense at all, she would just shut up, but she can't. She has to try to appear to be the sensitive, caring one, even trying to tear up (but not actually doing so) when talking about Ysabel.

All of this, and I also need her to stop calling Ysabel "Izzy."  I have not heard one other person on this show call her Izzy so Robyn most certainly does not get to be the only one.  That shows a familiarity that Robyn does not have with her non-spawn.  Also, shut up, Robyn.

And here is what grinds my gears with that stupid mop-headed jerk....he is giving his wives not named Robyn between 5 - 25% of his total time.  As Christine said on the couch, her kids were her companions because Kody was NOT THERE.  Kody is an occasional passer-by who stops over out of a sense of duty, not necessarily because he wants to.  So when Kody has the absolute gall to tell Janelle that the only way she'll get to spend any time with him is if she kicks their SON to the curb - the son who is trying to save enough money to get his own place by living at home - I wish she would've knocked Kody's weave off with that rake she was holding.  How dare he?!  Just the fact that he is asking his wives to choose between a couple of days per month with him or have their kids at home might be the most unbelievable thing I have ever heard come out of that caveman's mouth, and that is saying something.  Just - wow, Kody.  You're a horrible, horrible human being.  Horrible.

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by laurakaye

[islandgal140]

1 hour ago, deirdra said:

Especially since Robyn said last week or the week before that Kody had given up "his work" during COVID.  So Robyn, Kody, Day'un, Aurorabreanna must all be hiding out in the mansion, but cannot take care of the younger two?  Draw up some babysitting chore rules and put them in a clear plastic sleeve! 

Wasn't this the way of the Browns? The older kids help with the younger ones? I mean damn, Logan half raised those kids. I was so happy when he escaped. Robyn wouldn't even ask them to keep the young prince and Oreo borealis 6 feet away from Truely at the Prairie dog plague picnic. 

[TeeMo]

The poetic justice here is that if you asked me which of these fools bought into polygamy the most, I would probably say Christine. I believe her tagline that she wanted the family “not just the man.” She has a close bond with Janelle’s kids as she did so much of their raising while Janelle worked outside the home. We saw it when Maddie chose Christine to be there for her births and I think she also told Christine about her pregnancies right after she told Janelle and Kody and before she told Meri and Robyn. Christine’s approach to the kids has always been what they claim the goal of polygamy is - having this big family that everyone is invested in regardless of who gave birth to who. 
 

Ysabel’s surgery clearly revealed that no one else in this circus actually looks at polygamy in this way and Christine found herself managing a giant medical situation on her own with no support from her sister wives OR her husband. I honestly think that was the wake up call when she realized there is no point to living this way and accepting a limited, diminished partnership with a man if she isn’t going to get the sister wife support to offset it. My mom gets far more support in her life from her actual sisters than any of these Brown wives get from their sister wives with the added bonus of not having to imagine her husband sleeping with either of them. 
 

So basically the way the Browns do polygamy is so dysfunctional that it ran off the one true believer among them. 

[xwordfanatik]

43 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

This so much.  He's had a close bond with Christine from as far back as I can remember, and I also recall seeing him on the show playing with and holding Truely quite often when she was a baby/toddler.  I love that he was there telling Ysabel that her scar was indeed bad-ass. :)

 

All of this, and I also need her to stop calling Ysabel "Izzy."  I have not heard one other person on this show call her Izzy so Robyn most certainly does not get to be the only one.  That shows a familiarity that Robyn does not have with her non-spawn.  Also, shut up, Robyn.

And here is what grinds my gears with that stupid mop-headed jerk....he is giving his wives not named Robyn between 5 - 25% of his total time.  As Christine said on the couch, her kids were her companions because Kody was NOT THERE.  Kody is an occasional passer-by who stops over out of a sense of duty, not necessarily because he wants to.  So when Kody has the absolute gall to tell Janelle that the only way she'll get to spend any time with him is if she kicks their SON to the curb - the son who is trying to save enough money to get his own place by living at home - I wish she would've knocked Kody's weave off with that rake she was holding.  How dare he?!  Just the fact that he is asking his wives to choose between a couple of days per month with him or have their kids at home might be the most unbelievable thing I have ever heard come out of that caveman's mouth, and that is saying something.  Just - wow, Kody.  You're a horrible, horrible human being.  Horrible.

 

Yes to all of this.  I too, was miffed that Robyn called Ysabel "Izzy."  She doesn't care about Kootie's original kids, and we know it.

 

[Granny58]

just a thought.  Christine stated that she had to get insurance for the surgery.  Now, if that were me, I would have been ASHAMED to admit that my child didn't have insurance, which leads me to believe that that is how she was raised and it never occurred to her that it was a really good idea to have some.  

[all4mom2]

I am confused why Isabelle is BOTH on heavy-duty painkillers every three hours AND "in soooooo much pain!!!" all the time.  Either they're not working, or it's a story line.  When you take narcotics, you're not in pain.  You're FEELING no pain.

Also, what was wrong with the tried-and-true rod-and-screw method?  The cable thing just sounds sketchy, like it will fail at some point.  JMO.

The producers must love a Christine-heavy story; she says everything twice, thus filling more otherwise empty air time!

Edited December 20, 2021 by all4mom2

[Absolom]

14 minutes ago, all4mom2 said:

I am confused why Isabelle is BOTH on heavy-duty painkillers every three hours AND "in soooooo much pain!!!" all the time.  Either they're not working, or it's a story line.  When you take narcotics, you're not in pain.  You're FEELING no pain.

For some of us that is not true.  My last surgery it took them three very long days to find something that worked AND lasted more than 40 minutes.  What ended up working was an IV NSAID.  None of the narcotics worked better than 50% and none lasted even an hour.   On this one I'll believe Ysabel. 

[TipseyGirl]

2 hours ago, Shelbie said:

Kody boo-hooing about how he’s not the head of the house infuriated me.

I have always loathed the idea that just because someone has a penis he is in charge of everything regardless of intelligence, aptitude or common sense. Kody wants to be in charge of everything and everyone and is a seething pit of rage that he isn’t. He then takes out his anger on everyone around him. He is awful on every level.

Yeh. It can't be said enough, Cody sucks hard. He is just now figuring out what the rest of them knew a long time ago.

[all4mom2]

13 minutes ago, Absolom said:

For some of us that is not true.  My last surgery it took them three very long days to find something that worked AND lasted more than 40 minutes.  What ended up working was an IV NSAID.  None of the narcotics worked better than 50% and none lasted even an hour.   On this one I'll believe Ysabel. 

She shouldn't (and wouldn't) have been released unless (and until) her pain was being controlled.  Also, is this much post-operative pain common with the rod-and-screw method?

[eskimo]

I wouldn't be able to sleep at night if my family didn't have any type of health insurance.  One event can bankrupt you, or worse, kill or disable you because you can't get timely treatment.  There are so many people out there who would love to have ins but just can't afford it, or it's just plain unavailable where they live, but the Browns have had the means.  It would have cut into their budget for such a large family for sure, but they would have still had their needs met.  Choosing to have 18 kids=choosing to pay for 18 kids.  In my book anyway. 

Even if I had the money or need to hire a nanny I don't think I would.  Instead I'd hire a housekeeper and use the time saved cleaning to spend with my kids.  No way am I letting anyone else get those moments.  (Not talking about daycare while one works, of course.  Or the occasional night out/break.)  But Robyn doesn't work, and none of her children are very small anymore. 

[all4mom2]

All the women except the legal wife (at the time) are considered single mothers with dependents and thus eligible for government benefits (food stamps, subsidized housing, Medicaid, etc.); they discussed pooling their food stamps in early episodes.  It's common among polygamists and called "bleeding the beast."  So I assume they had insurance, even if just state-sponsored, but maybe it didn't cover this out-of-state experimental (?) method.  I assume she could have gotten the usual surgery right where she was. 

Edited December 20, 2021 by all4mom2

[Absolom]

12 minutes ago, all4mom2 said:

She shouldn't (and wouldn't) have been released unless (and until) her pain was being controlled.  Also, is this much post-operative pain common with the rod-and-screw method?

I wonder why I've been sent home in pain more than twice then?  I can't throw anything Ysabel's way over this one.  All I can do is sympathize with her.  

[VegasVixen]

2 hours ago, Teafortwo said:

The hoodie that Ysabel was wearing that her dad gave her had a logo with "Arms" on it. Something Arms. Probably the name of his gun biz.

It said Spartan Arms, it's a Las Vegas based gun store. I'm sure he showed up with his "man card" when he lived here and bought some guns from them or something. 🙄😂 He WISHES he owned Spartan Arms. He's just a disgusting excuse for a father and I'm over his stupid victim mentality that everything is everyone else's fault. He and Robyn deserve each other. 

[Absolom]

They may have been eligible for benefits when all the children lived at home.  With the decreasing number of children even as single mothers they may not meet the income requirements for all or many of the programs.  They obviously have income from the show and possibly other sources and that has to be counted.  

[Cetacean]

16 minutes ago, all4mom2 said:

So I assume they had insurance, even if just state-sponsored, but maybe it didn't cover this out-of-state experimental (?) method.

Nope, none  There have been multiple times when they have been in financial difficulty due to hospital bills such as after Day'uns accident.  And Grifter Christine did a GoFundMe appeal so that they sycophants would pay for the surgery.  They probably make too much income from the show to qualify for state aid at this point.   They don't even carry much car insurance, just the least they can get away with.

[islandgal140]

It didn't even really seem like there was much communication between Kody/Christian and Ysabel when she got to NJ, pre or post op. 

One of the most incredulous things said this episode is Robyn discussing how competitive the family can be between Kody and the kids re: height or competition between the moms but of course, Robyn isn't into it and doesn't participate. 

Robyn!?!

The dark wife who rose from 4th spiritual wife to only legal wife who lives in a multi-million dollar home, who doesn't work and has a nanny and who Kody lives with full-time and by all accounts the only one still having sex with him, isn't competitive. Okay bitch!

Having just finished watching way too many drama shows and documentaries about the opioid crisis, I hope Ysabel was able to be weaned off them successfully. 

[Cetacean]

40 minutes ago, all4mom2 said:

She shouldn't (and wouldn't) have been released unless (and until) her pain was being controlled. 

Maybe in the "olden days". Now insurance pays for X number of days and then you are out unless there are major medical complications.  Good grief, hip replacements used to be a week of hospitalization and now you are out the next day in a lot of places!

55 minutes ago, Absolom said:

My last surgery it took them three very long days to find something that worked AND lasted more than 40 minutes.  What ended up working was an IV NSAID.  None of the narcotics worked better than 50% and none lasted even an hour.   On this one I'll believe Ysabel. 

Retired nurse here and I have found your situation to be true in a lot of ortho cases.  NSAIDS work a lot better. I had a knee replacement and tossed out the Norco as soon as I got home. It was pretty worthless and Motrin did the trick.  Everyone's pain tolerance is different and Ysabel is a young girl. I have found the youngsters to be a bit more sensitive postoperatively.

[ginger90]

Unless there’s a fever/possible infection, discharge would take place under guidelines.

Just wanted to say, I believe it was only Christine receiving food stamps. They didn’t pool the food stamps, they shared the food. I don’t think any  of them would qualify now.

 

Edited December 20, 2021 by ginger90

[sheshark]

At one time my family of 5 lived in a 600 square foot house, but we had health insurance!  Some things are just more important.

[bichonblitz]

16 hours ago, TomGirl said:

Meri is so pathetic with her constant reiteration of the fact that KODY WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH HER while she still maintains that she has “hope.”  She has absolutely zero pride.

Yeah, her "I'm still here and I'm not going anywhere" spiel is pathetic. Meri, you are there for the paycheck and don't need to work too hard for it, either, since you are not really a part of the family anymore.  

[bichonblitz]

18 hours ago, Adeejay said:

That Hunter is a student in the MBA Nursing Program at Johns Hopkins is rather impressive.

Isn't Hunter the one that graduated from the Air Force Academy? I have mad respect for him. 

Also, I believe Robyn needs a nanny because she is a lazy mother. I remember one episode she and Kody were talking about how they could not control the youngest one (Ari)? because the kid didn't sleep, she stayed up all night and ran around the house and finally crashed in the morning. Great mothering you got going on there, Robyn. 

Edited December 20, 2021 by bichonblitz

[Adeejay]

As much as I can't stand Robyn, I have to give her credit.  She went from a double wide without heat in Bumfuck, Wherever, to a five-bedroom mansion in Flagstaff, Arizona complete with a nanny.  Not to mention, climbing over the backs of three stupid timid women to become the legal wife in what appears to be a monogamous marriage.  Kudos!  If she wrote a how-to book, I believe it would be a best seller.  

[Kellyee]

I watched the episode. Janelle and Christine have a really nice relationship, and their kids have a great bond with each other. Good on Janelle for wanting to help.

Meri made her own bed, but I pity her, and I don't understand why she can't see Robyn`s kids. Is it because Kody doesn't want Meri around? When they all visited Ysabel outside, Kody and Robyn sat real close together, which is a total passive aggressive dick move. 

And wasn't one of the perks of polygamy supposed to be always having help? I'm glad Christine has acknowledged the truth and got hell out of her fake marriage.

I hope we finally get to see the Covid rules list. In the preview, I saw the one about taking off your shoes. I'm betting they are rules no reasonable person can follow.

[the-grey-lady]

Wow, Christine is truly a devoted, caring mother.

I wonder if Kody ever bothered to appreciate what a gem he had in her.

What am I saying? Of course he didn't.

[Joan of Argh]

8 hours ago, Lamima said:

When they showed the flowers that arrived for Ysabel and they were talking about Kody so I assumed they flowers were from him...but, nope, from grandparents. That old balding limp noodle couldn't even send her flowers or a gift or something. 

I also thought that the flowers were from Kootie…. What a total waste of space he is!

he couldn’t spring for a nice bouquet and card with a heartfelt message before her surgery…. Nope all he did was toss her a used advertising hoodie and wash his hands of the whole situation… ugh!

and why the hell couldn’t he help Christine with Ysabels post-op care!?!?!

just when I don’t think he can stoop any lower he STOOPS LOWER!  

And Robyn can go to hell, nasty, selfish hag strutting around with a Victoria’s Secret thong stuck up her ass crack.

when AROARa got the vapors Kody jumped into action and carried her to the nearest fainting couch but Ysabel has major surgery and he does nothing! Ugh!! 🤬

[Ms.Lulu]

2 hours ago, Absolom said:

For some of us that is not true.  My last surgery it took them three very long days to find something that worked AND lasted more than 40 minutes.  What ended up working was an IV NSAID.  None of the narcotics worked better than 50% and none lasted even an hour.   On this one I'll believe Ysabel. 

I was the exact same.  I was on oxycontin every three hours and alternating ibuprofen and acetaminophen every two hours.  My pain stayed between 4-7 for weeks.  

I had heard that our bodies don't remember pain, I still remember that pain 5 years later.  

[lilysmom]

2 hours ago, Absolom said:

I wonder why I've been sent home in pain more than twice then?  I can't throw anything Ysabel's way over this one.  All I can do is sympathize with her.  

I agree with you. After my quadruple bypass, I was sent home after 6 days (diabetes complications kept me there a bit longer than some.) I was still in a LOT of pain, and the pain meds helped dull it, but I will tell you every time I moved, it really hurt. I think everyone's pain tolerance is so different, and Ysabel is a teenager. Besides the pain from the actual surgery, I'm sure her whole body is reacting to being aligned differently than it has been for many years.

Edited December 20, 2021 by lilysmom

[KateHearts]

2 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

She shouldn't (and wouldn't) have been released unless (and until) her pain was being controlled.  Also, is this much post-operative pain common with the rod-and-screw method?

I found it odd, too, that several weeks after her surgery Ysabel was still on round the clock pain meds... I have done spine surgery on children (I realize she's closer to adult, but still...) usually after a couple of tough post op days, kids snap out of it rather quickly and recover fast. I question that maybe the drama ("she's mis-er-a-ble," intones Christine) is to pump up the story and the already-brewing hostility of the audience for Kody.

Did anyone notice (it's been going on a while now) that another pronunciation quirk (aside from the "fillings," and "dill with it") is that they don't say "get to," they say "gedda."  This episode Christine says it several times. "Today, we gedda go home." I live in Utah and haven't heard that one in person, but the dills and the mills abound around here.

I have never seen such a negative transformation of a human as has happened to Robyn. Do yourselves a favor and go back to season 1 and get a look at what she *used* to be- thin, stylish, sparkling eyes, happy. She is now just a bloated, dead-eyed shadow of her previous self. It's really astounding. Her face never reflects any of the emotion she tries to portray. She has no expression (except for a perpetual slight frown) and I find it hard to believe anything that comes out of her mouth.

Meri, Meri- please stop trying to convince us that you're staying for the long run since, you know, covenant with God, getting to heaven, your family belief and culture, blah blah. One minute she's flippantly saying "hey, y'all; you're stuck with me and I ain't goin' anywhere!" and the next she is on the verge of tears despite her "I barely care" or whatever slogan t-shirt. She needs some mood stabilizing medication and someone to slap reality into her- she bought into a bad idea thirty something years ago, maimed it when she got Robyn into the family, and killed it dead with her banana and catfish antics (BTW, what a choice for her "Lizzy's Heritage Inn Family Tradition Baking Extravaganza" - banana bread!)

Kody: "I've done some crazy stuff to get into heaven!" I guess being a responsible father, a good citizen who has a real job and pays taxes, and not relying on your TV revenues to support you doesn't count. 

As phlegmatic as Janelle can be, I find I like her the best of them all. She does her thing; she realizes that the family is a mess but she can't do a thing about it; and she raised some pretty awesome kids. I am in her camp re: the restrictions and "rules" Kody imposed: they are random and often senseless as well as selfish. I think she just doesn't give a shit anymore and is just living her life. I'm not sure, though, why she said, "I can't go on much longer without you being here." Hopefully in regard to her children and not her- em- conjugal needs.

[LilyD]

2 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

She shouldn't (and wouldn't) have been released unless (and until) her pain was being controlled.  Also, is this much post-operative pain common with the rod-and-screw method?

While I completely agree with you, it’s common practise to discharge patients as soon as possible. Particularly now in the pandemic. Pain generally is no criteria, nor is stuff like a drain for instance. 
as for pain meds: I’m on a chronic pain treatment program due to two failed shoulder surgeries. Not all pain killers work the same way. Some are excellent for common pains but won’t stop nerve pain which requires a completely different approach. Ysabel would probably have received something strong for the first few days (possibly an opiod) combined with normal tylenol or ibuprofen and something that tackles the nerve pain. And even then, unexpected movements can really really hurt! I’m thinking about my c-sections now. I was happily drugged and painfree until somebody made me laugh… boy that hurt!

[Teafortwo]

Kody calls the fahmbly "Sad sorry lonely little people" but none of the group that gathered at Christine's sister's house after Ysabel's surgery seemed sad, lonely, sorry or little. Ditto for the group at Maddie's (Hunter, Janelle). So he must be referring to himself, Robyn and Meri? Because I can't think of anyone else.

[Teafortwo]

4 hours ago, laurakaye said:

I also recall seeing him on the show playing with and holding Truely quite often when she was a baby/toddler.

This! There was a wonderful scene of him in the bathroom doing Truely's hair. I forget when, but she was very small. ETA: I believe it was when he was attending the Air Force Academy prep school

Edited December 20, 2021 by Teafortwo

[Teafortwo]

3 hours ago, Absolom said:

For some of us that is not true.  My last surgery it took them three very long days to find something that worked AND lasted more than 40 minutes.  What ended up working was an IV NSAID.  None of the narcotics worked better than 50% and none lasted even an hour.   On this one I'll believe Ysabel. 

Also Christine said there were many different kinds of meds. She may have been on ant-inflammatory and post-surgical antibiotics too.

[BradandJanet]

3 hours ago, all4mom2 said:

I am confused why Isabelle is BOTH on heavy-duty painkillers every three hours AND "in soooooo much pain!!!" all the time.  Either they're not working, or it's a story line.  When you take narcotics, you're not in pain.  You're FEELING no pain.

Also, what was wrong with the tried-and-true rod-and-screw method?  The cable thing just sounds sketchy, like it will fail at some point.  JMO.

The producers must love a Christine-heavy story; she says everything twice, thus filling more otherwise empty air time!

I also wondered why Kody and Christine were so resistant to the traditional rod and screw method. They only thing I can think of is that it would leave a visible scar on Ysabel's back. So what? I hope Kody and Christine didn't waste time and money on that stupid back trussing brace system for that reason. As for surgery, frankly, I would rather have a scar on my back than a surgery that cut through a lot of muscle and required the collapse of a lung just to put the scar on my side.  I wonder if the type of surgery Ysabel had added to her pain and long recovery. None of the decision making was discussed, of course. 

[readheaded]

6 hours ago, Kellyee said:

There is a movie called The Nanny Diaries, and they talk about the different kinds of moms that have a Nanny. I suspect that Robyn falls into the "doesn't work and doesn't parent" category. And the Nanny may be Kody's idea, if Ariella is still a pain in the ass. Solomon seems like an easy kid.

Christine bought that large house. No way would she qualify for Medicaid or even a large subsidy for Obamacare. I don't know how Kody figures in because I don't know if he signs the birth certificates of the kids whose mothers he is not married to, but I'm guessing Obamacare that would cover a decent part of Ysabel's surgery is pretty expensive. And with no real jobs, they have no option other than the Healthcare Marketplace/Obamacare. Christine may have qualified for food stamps when she had 6 small children, but now she only has 2 underage kids in her care. Plus, once she got the insurance, she has to pay the full deductible because she hasn't made a dent in that yet. It must have been a freaking nightmare, but it's hers and Kody's fault. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

They’re damn lucky the ACA was an option of one of them might have had to get a job with benefits and hope the insurance covered the pre-existing condition. 

[Persnickety1]

6 hours ago, Kellyee said:

Christine bought that large house. No way would she qualify for Medicaid or even a large subsidy for Obamacare. I don't know how Kody figures in because I don't know if he signs the birth certificates of the kids whose mothers he is not married to, but I'm guessing Obamacare that would cover a decent part of Ysabel's surgery is pretty expensive. And with no real jobs, they have no option other than the Healthcare Marketplace/Obamacare. Christine may have qualified for food stamps when she had 6 small children, but now she only has 2 underage kids in her care. Plus, once she got the insurance, she has to pay the full deductible because she hasn't made a dent in that yet. It must have been a freaking nightmare, but it's hers and Kody's fault. 

Excellent point.

Perhaps because of the polygamy status of their relationship, Kody's name was not on the birth certificates of some of the kids so he can't take out insurance policies on them.  

That being said, there's no law stopping him from divvying up funds to Janelle and Christine to have funded health insurance for their minor children.  

Honestly, the term "prick" doesn't even begin to be harsh enough to describe this ass. 

[Teafortwo]

sounds like they got the best care possible https://spineandscoliosis.com/anterior-scoliosis-correction-asc/. There is also an interview and transcript.

[Sasha888]

11 minutes ago, Persnickety1 said:

Honestly, the term "prick" doesn't even begin to be harsh enough to describe this ass. 

I used "steaming, stinking, worm-eaten sack of monkey shit" on another thread. You're welcome to it, @Persnickety1!

It was when I first saw the clip of him demanding Garrison be thrown out. My usual choices like "douchebag" and "vile creature" just didn't seem to cover it.