S11.E06: The Liberation of Erika Jayne

[UsernameFatigue]

10 minutes ago, MissFeatherbottom said:

And didn't it have 9 bathrooms?? That's just odd to have more bathrooms than bedrooms!

I think it is quite common in big houses to have more bathrooms than bedrooms, as often each bedroom has its own bathroom, then there are a couple at least on floors with no bedrooms. I think for that size house, something like 8 or 9 bedrooms and over a dozen bathrooms would be common. So the bathroom number didn't surprise me, but the number of bedrooms did! Now that I am typing this though, maybe Erika changed a few bedrooms into closets, so there are only 4 rooms actually made up as bedrooms? 

[Boo Boo]

"I let go of my Lamborghini, I let go of my 16,000 Square foot home...I let go of my marriage..."  

The order in which she talks about letting go is the order of importance to Erika.

(That house is butt ugly as is that ugly furniture she brought to her rental house)

[WhatAmIWatching]

5 minutes ago, Boo Boo said:

"I let go of my Lamborghini, I let go of my 16,000 Square foot home...I let go of my marriage..."  

The order in which she talks about letting go is the order of importance to Erika.

(That house is butt ugly as is that ugly furniture she brought to her rental house)

OMG Yessssssss!

I remember thinking that exact thing! 

[RealHousewife]

My mind never went to Crystal doing anything sexual just because she was naked. Isn't nudity only necessary for sex with another person in the room? She was also chatting on the phone, venting about Sutton. That wasn't a sexy convo. My guess is she might sleep naked or was changing or something and got a phone call. 

When she brought up her eating disorder, I did think her reaction to Sutton walking in on her made more sense. I've never been bulimic, but I do have experience with anorexia. People with body issues are more uncomfortable with nudity. Folks often assume if you're young and thin you have no issues with yourself, especially around women. But a lot of us are painfully self-conscious about so much. I know most people can't relate and don't think someone walking in on them is a big deal. (I still don't think Sutton meant any harm.) So as much as Sutton shouldn't have gone into her room, it's precisely why I keep my door locked. It doesn't mean anything interesting is going on. I just want my privacy. 

I wouldn't bring up her work as an operator at an escort service when she was a teenager as an excuse to say, what's the big deal? I've also defended Sutton quite a bit over this debacle, I'm just trying to be fair about this. Lots of the time when a woman has posed nude or something like that, people think the world has the right to see them naked at any time, and that's totally unfair. 

Anyhow, I agree with the posts about Sutton being an easy target. I think she's awkward but harmless and sweet. Crystal came across pretty icy, but I'm glad to hear they're apparently friendly now. Maybe they just got off on the wrong foot, and to be fair to Crystal, it is hard to get a read on her in such a short time. I'm ashamed to say it, but I was a big Brandi fan her first season. I might end up really liking Crystal, who knows. 

[Yours Truly]

30 minutes ago, MissFeatherbottom said:

As a very quiet and socially awkward person too, I can sniff a mean girl a mile away. I've had to deal with them my whole life since I am considered an "easy" target. 

See I turned my quiet shyness into loud unapologeticness LOL!  I don't think Sutton is perfect but what I can never stomach is how bullies and mean people try to spin peoples quirks and personality traits into something they have a right to attack. At the end of the day NO ONE has the right to mistreat another person. Even if you are appalled at something someone does the idea that retaliation is somehow justifiable really rubs me the wrong way. I'm not talking about obviously moral and ethical misbehaving I'm talking about character and personality traits that grate the nerves. I get my patience tried with socially awkward people ALL the time and to be honest there is a level of self awareness I expect from people but I would never retaliate in a cruel way just because you've irked me.  I'll adjust and figure out what will alleviate my discomfort in the situation. Do I defuse my aggravation by maybe befriending the offending party or do I just remove myself from the area or do I playful engage in a manner that may help the energy get better? It seems like that's to much to ask of people. To hope that the first and only course of action when someone is being bothersome is to bite their heads off or be confrontational. Too many times I see issues being met with ego, attitudes, pettiness and disregard. As if that's the only way to approach situations. With bite and snark. 

Hell, you don't have to be best friends, ignore the behavior or even condone it but it doesn't always need to be met with nastiness and scorn. Nobody believes that's the recipe to make things better and yet that's usually the go-to when it comes to trying to resolve things. Backwards thinking I say. 

24 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I really am missing this "mean girl" behavior that Crystal apparently is doing.. what is it that she is doing? is she picking on Sutton randomly? Is she singling Sutton out at random with out any cause? Am I missing something?

Apparently.

Edited June 24, 2021 by Yours Truly

[Keywestclubkid]

Just now, Yours Truly said:

 

Apparently.

She doesn't cry and scream as a reaction .. she isnt overly emotional .. that doesn't make her a mean girl .. please enlighten me about this supposed mean girl behavior she is doing ..

[Yours Truly]

5 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She doesn't cry and scream as a reaction .. she isnt overly emotional .. that doesn't make her a mean girl .. please enlighten me about this supposed mean girl behavior she is doing ..

It's all good.

It's apparent to those of us who've experienced it regularly in life. Not everyone notices or gets it. It's the sad way of the world. 

[sistermagpie]

7 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She doesn't cry and scream as a reaction .. she isnt overly emotional .. that doesn't make her a mean girl .. please enlighten me about this supposed mean girl behavior she is doing ..

Also, I don't see her attacking Sutton's alleged quirks, frankly. She only laid out problems with her behavior (unfairly calling her crazy etc.) when she was talking about being the target of Sutton's sudden outbursts directed at her personally. Sutton seems to be getting a lot more quirky and socially awkward in retellings. In fact, one could easily decide that it's Crystal who's the socially awkward one, since she's the one being read as a bitch who's reacting wrong to everything. 

Edited June 24, 2021 by sistermagpie

[Keywestclubkid]

4 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

It's all good.

It's apparent to those of us who've experienced it regularly in life. Not everyone notices or gets it. It's the sad way of the world. 

I was a femmy young gay boy in the south I LIVED with mean girl and boy behavior towards me until I moved away mid middle school year ... I still live with it from some assholes today .. again i see her reacting non emotionally towards someone who uses emotions as a weapon... i see someone keeping someone at arms length that they just met and have had issues with .. she is not seeking her out and being mean to her in her interactions .. I DO NOT see mean girl behavior towards her .. what is this behavior tho 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Keywestclubkid

[Yours Truly]

Not sure if I'm ready of Erika's story line. Seeing her this episode sort of made my skin crawl. Not because of all the accusations but because of her steely, delivery of everything. Now that's creepy. It's like she's a doll in a horror flick.  The ones that scare the fuck out of everyone just by sitting in the corner unmoving, big eyes wide open. 

[NYCFree]

Sutton started the weekend with Crystal by interrupting Crystal when she was going to share something about being Chinese American. The next day Sutton basically manipulated Crystal into apologizing to her, rather than the other way around. Sutton even added “I’m sorry if my tears offended you.” Nothing about interrupting Crystal, nothing about shutting down her experiences.

The second day, Crystal tried to include Sutton in on a joke and got treated as if she physically attacked Sutton instead. Even Sutton’s closest friends told her she was acting irrational. As an aside, Sutton doesn’t reflect on this, but rather add ‘irrational” to the list of “names” she has been called.

By the third day, I would feel exactly like Crystal if I were confronted again by this person who kept attacking me, while crying at the same time and acting like I was the one wounding her.

[Yours Truly]

5 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I was a femmy young gay boy in the south I LIVED with mean girl and boy behavior towards me until I moved away mid middle school year ... I still live with it from some assholes today .. again i see her reacting no emotionally towards someone who uses emotions as a weapon... i see someone keeping someone at arms length that they just met and have had issues with .. I DO NOT see mean girl behavior towards her .. what is this behavior tho 

I don't know what to tell you then. I see it. Oh well, Tomato-Tomahto.

[Boo Boo]

6 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I was a femmy young gay boy in the south I LIVED with mean girl and boy behavior towards me until I moved away mid middle school year ... I still live with it from some assholes today .. again i see her reacting no emotionally towards someone who uses emotions as a weapon... i see someone keeping someone at arms length that they just met and have had issues with .. I DO NOT see mean girl behavior towards her .. what is this behavior tho 

I am so sorry for what you had to deal with.

I understand that you don't view Crystal as a mean girl.  Your posts though seem to suggest someone that is emotional is using that emotion as a weapon or are unhinged/crazy.  Sometimes people are emotional.  Being emotional doesn't mean unhinged or crazy.   Not being emotional doesn't mean you have tremendous mental health either.  

Edit:  I do think this is a good conversation we're having though about mental health!  

Edited June 24, 2021 by Boo Boo

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

I don't know what to tell you then. I see it. Oh well, Tomato-Tomahto.

mmmm a nice Tomato would be good right now :P

Just now, Boo Boo said:

I am so sorry for what you had to deal with.

I understand that you don't view Crystal as a mean girl.  Your posts though seem to suggest someone that is emotional is using that emotion as a weapon.  Sometimes people are emotional.  Being emotional doesn't mean unhinged or crazy.   Not being emotional doesn't mean you have tremendous mental health either.  

Thank you .. eh its life and I lived through it ...

 

True sometimes people are emotional  ...I just see Sutton using her emotions to get away with things .. Again I point to the talk they had on the boat and when she saw that her tears where having no effect on Crystal they suddenly just "vanished" like no wet eye no nothing it just turned off completely... My mother used to do that .. its a very manipulative thing that some people do 

[Cosmocrush]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She is used to using her emotions and crying to get her way.

Yes, a woman who shops by having the store close just for her is clearly used to getting her way.   I wonder if Whole Foods shuts down for her too?  

The only time I felt bad for Sutton was when she told her divorce story.   That had to sting. 

[dosodog]

So.  Ericka still isn't wearing underwear in public?  Even after pantygate?

[eleanorofaquitaine]

18 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

Also, I don't see her attacking Sutton's alleged quirks, frankly. She only laid out problems with her behavior (unfairly calling her crazy etc.) when she was talking about being the target of Sutton's sudden outbursts directed at her personally. Sutton seems to be getting a lot more quirky and socially awkward in retellings. In fact, one could easily decide that it's Crystal who's the socially awkward one, since she's the one being read as a bitch who's reacting wrong to everything. 

Yes, same. Listen, I think Crystal could be a "mean girl." Anyone has the potential to be mean, and certainly that includes Crystal.  But what I see some as interpreting as "mean girl" behavior was, to me, Crystal standing up for herself against Sutton's out-of-nowhere behavior.  In each of these interactions, Sutton was the one who "started it," for lack of a better term, but since Crystal defended herself and didn't role over and play dead for poor, weak Sutton, she's getting tagged as a "mean girl."

To my way of thinking, Sutton's unprovoked attacks on Crystal are far closer to "mean girl" behavior that Crystal's actions.  Sutton's getting a lot of mileage out of being the poor, fragile, allegedly-socially-awkward-but-also-socially-gracious-Southern girl in defense of behavior that really was uncalled-for, in my opinion. 

All of that being said, it truly is a silly argument between the two of them at this point. Sutton's fragility act may be a bit much for me but it's obvious she truly did not mean to make Crystal uncomfortable, at least at that moment.  And Sutton should accept that while she may not have intended to make Crystal uncomfortable, the result of her actions was that Crystal was uncomfortable. And then let it go. But Lord knows, we'll probably see another 4 to 6 episodes rehashing this. 

Edited June 24, 2021 by eleanorofaquitaine

[WhatAmIWatching]

17 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She doesn't cry and scream as a reaction .. she isnt overly emotional .. that doesn't make her a mean girl .. please enlighten me about this supposed mean girl behavior she is doing ..

From my view, her calling Sutton manic, unstable, creepy, weird and even crazy is leaning over into mean territory. There's less inflammatory words to use to get the point across, instead of labeling someone. Crystal  kinda went all in and all thesaurus over Sutton.

 I understand she was (rightfully) upset over the 'altercations' they had, and then the accidental nudity viewing, but the words she chose to express her upset were less than kind, IMO.

 

(And yes, Sutton has responsibility for her part in all the things, too, she behaved badly and got called on it.)

[Thumper]

1 hour ago, Yours Truly said:

Not to say that she couldn't have had a bad reaction to Suttons mistake but I agree that she seems to be trying very hard to make it seem like such a traumatic event and I honestly believe 100% that's it is being done to make Sutton look bad and that's it. I truly do believe that is all that is. 

What I find completely ironic is that Crystals elaborate and intense reaction to what happened leans on the idea that people have a right to feel what they want to feel and that having a visceral reaction to something that triggering shouldn't be denied or criticized and yet she was quick to mock Suttons fragile emotional state and how she copes. A lot of people are failing to see what's the big deal while others understand what triggers one person may be completely benign (and laughable) to someone else.  Crystal wasn't able to offer up that sort of understanding in Suttons case and yet she feels completely justified in thinking that her experience would be accepted as something that was obviously traumatic. Well the same way Crystal didn't understand Suttons anxiety and fragility there are those who don't get what could be so traumatizing about someone walking in on you by accident. This is a teaching moment. Maybe, don't dismiss people's discomforts and anxieties if you expect to be in your own feels about something that not everyone can get on board with or see the severity. 

Excellent point.   

[Keywestclubkid]

7 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Yes, same. Listen, I think Crystal could be a "mean girl." Anyone has the potential to be mean, and certainly that includes Crystal.  But what I see some as interpreting as "mean girl" behavior was, to me, Crystal standing up for herself against Sutton's out-of-nowhere behavior.  In each of these interactions, Sutton was the one who "started it," for lack of a better term, but since Crystal defended herself and didn't role over and play dead for poor, weak Sutton, she's getting tagged as a "mean girl."

To my way of thinking, Sutton's unprovoked attacks on Crystal are far closer to "mean girl" behavior that Crystal's actions.  Sutton's getting a lot of mileage out of being the poor, fragile, allegedly-socially-awkward-but-also-socially-gracious-Southern girl in defense of behavior that really was uncalled-for, in my opinion. 

All of that being said, it truly is a silly argument between the two of them at this point. Sutton's fragility act may be a bit much for me but it's obvious she truly did not mean to make Crystal uncomfortable, at least at that moment.  And Sutton should accept that while she may not have intended to make Crystal uncomfortable, the result of her actions was that Crystal was uncomfortable. And then let it go. But Lord knows, we'll probably see another 4 to 6 episodes rehashing this. 

I love ALL this post

[CSunshine76]

18 hours ago, French Fries said:

How are you 50 and privileged and never had a mammogram? *eyeroll*

And then cry and act like a toddler getting a shot! Good Lord, it’s uncomfortable but it’s nothing like to cry over!

[RealHousewife]

I think there are different kinds and levels of mean girl. There are mean girls who are bigots. There are mean girls who target those who are socially awkward. There are mean girls who really hate pretty women. 

I don't know that I'd describe Crystal as a mean girl. I think I'd probably describe her as icy for now, but I can see why others do. She's given me mean girl vibes from some stuff too. I'm not saying the tension between her and Sutton is all on her by any means. I do wonder if Crystal would react the same way toward someone who's not socially awkward and sensitive. The reactions I'm referring to are how she spoke to Sutton, about Sutton, the names she called her, her icy "okay, okay, okay, okay" when Sutton was emotional and apologizing. Her gleeful smirk saying Sutton is exactly who she thought she'd be or whatever. It's entirely possible Crystal is a good person, had a bad first impression of Sutton, and is doing her job as a housewife by being honest and snarky. However, those of us with mean girl experience know the Suttons are easier targets than the Erikas. We feel more protective of them. Sutton isn't perfect, but she's sweet and not going to rip your head off. Erika is a tough cookie, and she makes it clear to not fuck with her. It's possible she became this way after being a victim of mean girls herself. 

A couple others I'd describe as mean girl are Kyle and Lisa Rinna. I'm not saying they're mean all the time or anything. They're probably pleasant, even nice, people most of the time IRL, but their treatment of Denise and LVP on the show was very mean girl. 

Regarding Sutton and the tears, I can be a sucker for tears depending on the person. Coming from Sutton, it's organic imo. I don't think those are manipulative tears, and I want to rescue her from those other crazy bitches. When it's Kyle, I'm like girl, spare me your fragile butterfly act. lol You are way too aggressive to be a crybaby. 

[Joan van Snark]

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I think it is quite common in big houses to have more bathrooms than bedrooms, as often each bedroom has its own bathroom, then there are a couple at least on floors with no bedrooms. I think for that size house, something like 8 or 9 bedrooms and over a dozen bathrooms would be common. So the bathroom number didn't surprise me, but the number of bedrooms did! Now that I am typing this though, maybe Erika changed a few bedrooms into closets, so there are only 4 rooms actually made up as bedrooms? 

The 4 bedrooms are all probably giant en suites with their own bathrooms and huge closets.  Erika's 'chapel' is probably a converted bedroom.  I hope she spent some time on her knees repenting in there before she moved out.  Then there are probably other rooms that could be bedrooms as others said being used as closets, game rooms, offices, etc.

I don't think that house was butt ugly as others have commented.  It was actually very tastefully decorated, if slightly dated.  Love the yellow chinese wallpaper in the dining room.  Doesnt look like Erika had a hand in decorating it other than her photos pasted all over the walls.  

The outside of Kyle's house is great but the inside, not so much.  She needs to fire Fay as a decorator.

[90sfan]

53 minutes ago, Boo Boo said:

"I let go of my Lamborghini, I let go of my 16,000 Square foot home...I let go of my marriage..."  

The order in which she talks about letting go is the order of importance to Erika.

What I found ridiculous too is everyone's reaction to Erika saying her new car was a Range Rover. They all looked it at her with pity/shock as if she had just bought an old clunker.

[pasdetrois]

Simply put, it's clear Crystal can't stand Sutton and I'm sure Sutton feels the same way about Crystal. It doesn't matter what events occurred - they are gonna go after each other.

It's too bad they showed the mammogram hysterics. Good way to discourage women from getting them. They used to be more painful, but the technology is greatly improved.

[lilmarysunshine]

3 minutes ago, Joan van Snark said:

The 4 bedrooms are all probably giant en suites with their own bathrooms and huge closets.  Erika's 'chapel' is probably a converted bedroom.  I hope she spent some time on her knees repenting in there before she moved out.  Then there are probably other rooms that could be bedrooms as others said being used as closets, game rooms, offices, etc.

I don't think that house was butt ugly as others have commented.  It was actually very tastefully decorated, if slightly dated.  Love the yellow chinese wallpaper in the dining room.  Doesnt look like Erika had a hand in decorating it other than her photos pasted all over the walls.  

The outside of Kyle's house is great but the inside, not so much.  She needs to fire Fay as a decorator.

I was gonna say I think the “chapel” was probably a bedroom.

She sure is working hard to set a narrative. Now viewers have seen instances where it did seem like he was controlling (I am remembering some dinner where she was angry at another housewife for how she acted in front of Tom), but she was not complaining when he was underwriting her singing career and lifestyle. 

[65mickey]

26 minutes ago, NYCFree said:

Sutton started the weekend with Crystal by interrupting Crystal when she was going to share something about being Chinese American. The next day Sutton basically manipulated Crystal into apologizing to her, rather than the other way around. Sutton even added “I’m sorry if my tears offended you.” Nothing about interrupting Crystal, nothing about shutting down her experiences.

The second day, Crystal tried to include Sutton in on a joke and got treated as if she physically attacked Sutton instead. Even Sutton’s closest friends told her she was acting irrational. As an aside, Sutton doesn’t reflect on this, but rather add ‘irrational” to the list of “names” she has been called.

By the third day, I would feel exactly like Crystal if I were confronted again by this person who kept attacking me, while crying at the same time and acting like I was the one wounding her.

Yes to all of this. Some people seem to have short memories about how the Sutton/Crystal fued started out. Her buddy Kyle even went to Sutton's room and suggested she apologize for the night that she butted and cut off Crystal's discussion about being of Asian descent and hearing Asian stereotypes. Sutton said no and I am not sorry. She has managed to turn herself into a victim when she was the one who was the initial offender.  She is socially awkward and seems to be desperate to fit in. But after saying this I do hope that put this behind them and they probably would have if Kyle had not stirred the pot again gleefully hoping to reignite an argument. 

[princelina]

I'm tired of both of them.  I am often a socially awkward person, and do you know what I don't do?  Act like a wacko - with a face roller on a boat, for example.  I also don't wish to be seen naked, or even without a shirt on, so you know what I don't do?  Leave my doors unlocked.  (ETA:  I would also lock my door if I was badmouthing my companions on my phone 😁 ). Attention seeking famewhores, looking for a "storyline".  Yawn.  And then fucking Sutton carrying on at her "mammogram" with a camera crew on her!  I'm not saying she didn't get one, but when she was filmed it was very clear that her breast was not in the machine, even as she cried and carried on.  A "reenactment" if you will 🙄

I'll give Dorit props for keeping her big mouth zipped when Ericka's oiled "tweeter" (is that what Kyle called it? 😄 ) showed up!

Erika's basically telling the same story about Tom that she has always has - she's just acting now like it was a problem!  Apparently I'm the only one who's interested in this since no one else is talking about it, but since my previous post was removed I'll say it again in a sticking-to-the-episode kind of way:  she just left behind her entire Erika Jayne "career" and didn't mention it once, nor did anyone else!  Is that just a black hole of memory now?  Does she think she's popular enough to continue it without Tom?  Was is all just made up for the show because they're all attention seeking famewhores looking for a storyline?  I want to know!!

Edited June 24, 2021 by princelina

[WaltersHair]

I remember Erika had an apartment in Hollywood so she could film and didn't have to go back to Pasadena. Does she still have that, or is it just the house?

[sistermagpie]

2 minutes ago, princelina said:

Erika's basically telling the same story about Tom that she has always has - she's just acting now like it was a problem!  Apparently I'm the only one who's interested in this since no one else is talking about it, but since my previous post was removed I'll say it again in a sticking-to-the-episode kind of way:  she just left behind her entire Erika Jayne "career" and didn't mention it once, nor did anyone else!  Is that just a black hole of memory now?  Does she think she's popular enough to continue it without Tom?  Was is all just made up for the show because they're all attention seeking famewhores looking for a storyline?  I want to know!!

I was expecting to be only focused on that, but what we have so far wasn't enough to react to for me. She was just sort of laying out her story that seemed self-serving, of course, but also wasn't out there enough to seem too off.

I did think that her new house would seem much nicer if she didn't have rooms devoted to just storage of a million shoes and clothing racks. I wouldn't want to live in that!

[HelloOutThere]

🤔

How many fucks do I give that Erica Jayne is down and out in Beverly Hills?

None! Not one! Zero! Zero! Zero! DONE!

Also…I LOVE Kathy’s interactions with Erika. Thank God for true, legit LA snobs like Kathy Hilton who are so far above Erika in hierarchy that Erika registers only a very light grayscale on their radar. I wouldn’t be surprised if Kathy has no idea about Erika’s “career”. Even after filming with her for an entire season.

Kathy is not afraid of Erika. Neither was LVP and neither is Garcelle. I bet Crystal certainly is. Funny how the bitchy mean girls are hypnotized and terrified of Erika. They make it so easy to be bullied - and I’ve always hated Erika’s bullying approach of being ominously quiet and world weary. It’s so high school and lame. 

Oh well…the chickens are here to roost I suppose 🐓 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

2 minutes ago, sistermagpie said:

I was expecting to be only focused on that, but what we have so far wasn't enough to react to for me. She was just sort of laying out her story that seemed self-serving, of course, but also wasn't out there enough to seem too off.

I did think that her new house would seem much nicer if she didn't have rooms devoted to just storage of a million shoes and clothing racks. I wouldn't want to live in that!

I think my post got deleted because I inadvertently included spoilers but I can believe both that yes, Erika and Tom's relationship was unbalanced AND that she's also spinning a narrative to cast herself in the most sympathetic light.

I could practically see the wheels turning in her head when she was talking about how allegedly bad things were with him.  I have no doubt that yeah, he could be a controlling, alpha male-type guy but she was definitely telling the story to cast herself as a victim. And let's just say that I think she has lots of reasons to do that, and only a few of them are related to whatever the state of their marriage actually was. 

Erika is used to presenting one image to the world - and it's one that she tightly controls. That's what we saw last night. And I guess we'll have to see if that holds up in the coming episodes. 

[Door County Cherry]

This thread will reopen by tomorrow.

When it does, the discussion needs to focus on what happened in this episode.  Period. 

No talk about what else is going on in Erika's divorce.  Not even with spoiler tags.  No tangents about things that happened in previous episodes.  

A number of posts have been hidden in this thread, but no warnings have been given.  We’re going zero tolerance from here out though - anything straying beyond events of the episode will get warnings and/or posting suspensions.

[StatisticalOutlier]

21 hours ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Though I do wonder about them monogramming everything, what's up with that? Even down to their tiny slices of cake!

I like that @FlyingEgret used it as forensics on eating disorders.  I think every morsel of food from now on should be monogrammed, and chronicled in the show. 

20 hours ago, princelina said:

(ETA:  I would also lock my door if I was badmouthing my companions on my phone 😁 ).

Hell yes.

[Boo Boo]

21 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

mmmm a nice Tomato would be good right now :P

Thank you .. eh its life and I lived through it ...

 

True sometimes people are emotional  ...I just see Sutton using her emotions to get away with things .. Again I point to the talk they had on the boat and when she saw that her tears where having no effect on Crystal they suddenly just "vanished" like no wet eye no nothing it just turned off completely... My mother used to do that .. its a very manipulative thing that some people do 

Gotcha!  Yes, there are definitely those who put on the water works to manipulate.  

(And glad you made it through Keywest! I may not always agree, but I love your postings here.)

[Cosmocrush]

20 hours ago, princelina said:

Erika's basically telling the same story about Tom that she has always has - she's just acting now like it was a problem!  Apparently I'm the only one who's interested in this since no one else is talking about it, but since my previous post was removed I'll say it again in a sticking-to-the-episode kind of way:  she just left behind her entire Erika Jayne "career" and didn't mention it once, nor did anyone else!  Is that just a black hole of memory now?  Does she think she's popular enough to continue it without Tom?  Was is all just made up for the show because they're all attention seeking famewhores looking for a storyline?  I want to know!!

This is a great point about the marriage.    And I doubt Erika Jayne's 'showbiz'  act will go one without a huge infusion of money from somewhere.  I always thought of her act as a money pit, not a money maker. 

 

20 hours ago, HelloOutThere said:

How many fucks do I give that Erica Jayne is down and out in Beverly Hills?

None! Not one! Zero! Zero! Zero! DONE!

Down and Out in Beverly Hills would have been a much better title for this episode.  Imagine having to downgrade to a new Range Rover!  The horror!

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

22 hours ago, Yours Truly said:

Not sure if I'm ready of Erika's story line. Seeing her this episode sort of made my skin crawl. Not because of all the accusations but because of her steely, delivery of everything. Now that's creepy. It's like she's a doll in a horror flick.  The ones that scare the fuck out of everyone just by sitting in the corner unmoving, big eyes wide open. 

This, Erika is scary. She is creepy as F. 

Also, in this ep she stated she started filling a moving truck? Like on her own? Is she Bonnie Franklin as Ann Romano from the hit television situation comedy One Day At a Time and moving w/her 2 teenaged daughters to Schneider's apt building?  How did she get ALL those clothing racks out in a couple hours? The shoes? The staff didn't call Mr. Girardi? The fuck they wouldn't hv called him at work to tell him that she was leaving if the staff wanted to keep their jobs at the manse.  

I believe her in the group text when she said "This is going to be hard." Keeping it all straight ain't easy when it's manufactured.

Edited June 25, 2021 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[bichonblitz]

Why would any of the castmates be afraid of Erika? I never understood this. What is she going to do them besides give the death stare and firmly say such drivel as "You don't want to go there". "You don't want to mess with me". So what? Big deal. I wish one of them would go there, let's see what she does. 

[J80134]

My mother has body dismorfia. I've shared many hotel and tiny cruise ship rooms with my mom and I have never, in my whole life, seen her naked. If someone walked in on her, she would be mortified, and if they indicated she was up to something (even just peeing, which she waits to do when she's sure no one can hear the tinkle)....she'd never be able to face them again. She'd also never want to speak of it because that is reliving the humiliation and making her even more paranoid about what others might be thinking about her. Crystal was emotional the 1st time she spoke of it, but after that she's seemed all too happy to repeat the details and say how violated she felt, but her expression, tone and emotional state don't really match up to such devestation. I can't say exactly why, but I think Crystal is full of shit and exaggeration, trying to create her howives character. 

Dumplin Lips throwing out Lord Disick dating her daughter leads me to believe we'll be tortured by thier appearance soon. My 20 yr old (with many issues) found herself a 40 yr old party boy, father of 3, to give her the attention Harry Hamlin doesn't.  Not yay!

Woe is you, Erika. Giving up the things you already know will be seized. Downgrading to a condo and a range rover. The horror! Wait until the next downgrade when you're living on Mikey's couch and rolling up to places in a ridiculous outfit in your 2000 corolla.

[Feech]

Do you check out those cake slices that had the woman’s names written in icing. That they didn’t touch! They looked delicious!

Don’t they know that there are children starving in Belgium that are going to bed without any chocolate cake!

[sistermagpie]

6 minutes ago, J80134 said:

Crystal was emotional the 1st time she spoke of it, but after that she's seemed all too happy to repeat the details and say how violated she felt, but her expression, tone and emotional state don't really match up to such devestation. I can't say exactly why, but I think Crystal is full of shit and exaggeration, trying to create her howives character. 

Oh, I think whatever distress she felt in the moment is long gone and now it's just enjoyable to talk about it. IMO. 

Re: Sutton and emotional manipulation, I don't think it has to be something she's planning or anything like that. She's just used to her emotions being respected and reacted to and is free to express them. Even if they're a little fake, probably. Like it's a way of saying how she feels, it doesn't always have to be something she can't control--or something she thinks she should try to control.

Somebody could probably use these shows as a great study for how people relate to their emotions or use them etc. 

21 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

Also, in this ep she stated she started filling a moving truck? Like on her own? Is she Bonnie Franklin as Ann Romano from the hit television situation comedy One Day At a Time and moving w/her 2 teenaged daughters to Schneider's apt building?  How did she get ALL those clothing racks out in a couple hours? The shoes? The staff didn't call Mr. Girardi? The fuck they wouldn't hv called him at work to tell him that she was leaving if the staff wanted to keep their jobs at the manse.  

 

LOL. Yeah, it is hilarious the idea of her picturing herself as absconding in the night with nothing but what she could fit in a van or something. She's got people at her new tiny house suggesting how to do the whole thing up. 

Also, I admit I thought it was funny when Erika was relating the story of Tom being so dismissive of her at the lunch, saying, "If you can afford her you can have her" because that whole career she has as Erika Jayne really does seem like it costs a whole lot of money. Like, this wasn't Ricky complaining that Lucy bought ANOTHER hat when she'd already run through her budget!

[Boo Boo]

12 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Why would any of the castmates be afraid of Erika? I never understood this. What is she going to do them besides give the death stare and firmly say such drivel as "You don't want to go there". "You don't want to mess with me". So what? Big deal. I wish one of them would go there, let's see what she does. 

Right.

This is a woman whose biggest accomplishment was marrying money and parlaying that into a reality show.  The bar is pretty fucking low to get on Real Housewives franchise it appears, so even massive wealth isn't a requirement.

So now that her financial situation is a house of cards and it's very unlikely that her Erika Jayne musical act is going anywhere, what is there to be afraid of?

14 minutes ago, J80134 said:

Dumplin Lips throwing out Lord Disick dating her daughter leads me to believe we'll be tortured by thier appearance soon. My 20 yr old (with many issues) found herself a 40 yr old party boy, father of 3, to give her the attention Harry Hamlin doesn't.  Not yay!

 

I love how she's pretending to be upset that she didn't cook up this relationship with Mama Kris.  Allegedly.

[Feech]

At least Sutton was woke enough to serve pastries of color.

 

Edited June 25, 2021 by Feech

[Shannah Banana]

1 hour ago, bichonblitz said:

Why would any of the castmates be afraid of Erika? I never understood this. What is she going to do them besides give the death stare and firmly say such drivel as "You don't want to go there". "You don't want to mess with me". So what? Big deal. I wish one of them would go there, let's see what she does. 

I wish someone would go there too, like you said, what is she gonna do?  People like Erika that try to intimidate with their anger rage, irk me to no end.  That fight or flight impulse kicks in and these ladies choose flight over fight because why?  Big bad Erika that is in more trouble than she even knows won't do shit.  If anyone becomes unhinged in this group, it's Erika.

[FlyingEgret]

Anyone else having trouble envisioning Erika driving Tom to the Firm? Was this a regular occurrence?  Did they stop at McDonald's for breakfast?

It just boggles the mind that he had two PJs but not a driver...

Obviously this is assuming Erika's story was true... 

[WaltersHair]

21 minutes ago, FlyingEgret said:

Anyone else having trouble envisioning Erika driving Tom to the Firm? Was this a regular occurrence?  Did they stop at McDonald's for breakfast?

It just boggles the mind that he had two PJs but not a driver...

Obviously this is assuming Erika's story was true... 

This is why I asked about the apartment in LA/ Hollywood. She said she used it during filming for the Housewives so she didn't have to go all the way home to Pasedena. She was filming when she dropped the divorce decree, so I assumed she could just stay at the 'clubhouse' full time instead of moving straight into the rental home. That clubhouse was full of pricey furnishings and art.

[Starlight925]

I can't believe Erika still has her entourage of Mikey et.al., trying to figure out where to put all her racks of skin-tight inappropriate clothing and spiked heels, and....for what?  Is she even performing anymore?  I get it, it was lockdown time, but was she holding onto all this stuff to perform again?  To repeat outfits?  

And why, in this "hardest" time of her life, did she feel that was important to be filmed?  That she'd be using not one, but TWO ENTIRE BEDROOMS for her clothes & shoes!!

Like, supposedly her world is crumbling, she's moving to a sad rental house with whatever furniture she could fit in the van, but she has time and energy to bring in her staff to sort her clothes.

Oh poor Erika, downgrading to a Range Rover.  

And I agree re:  the steely delivery.  It's her cold, non-emotional death stare.  

There's a new important word out there, Erika:  Vulnerability.  Show some.

The only reason I think the other HW's are scared of her is that she has dirt on all of them. 

Edited June 25, 2021 by Starlight925

[Boo Boo]

1 hour ago, WaltersHair said:

This is why I asked about the apartment in LA/ Hollywood. She said she used it during filming for the Housewives so she didn't have to go all the way home to Pasedena. She was filming when she dropped the divorce decree, so I assumed she could just stay at the 'clubhouse' full time instead of moving straight into the rental home. That clubhouse was full of pricey furnishings and art.

But then there wouldn't be such a dramatic move!

[Kiss my mutt]

I’m still thinking about that THC oil and why she would use a sexual enhancer before Sutton’s party. Oh yeah, so she could use the words vagina and clit. 

[Raiderred]

It was quite hysterical to see cold-hearted Erika act so syrupy sweet to the other ladies.  My, my hell has certainly frozen over.  I am loving this karma.  

This song by Foreigner fits her to a tee: