S11.E06: The Liberation of Erika Jayne

[chenoa333]

Knowing what I know now about Erika, I can't watch this show anymore. Erika and Tom are the epitome of evil. 

[Door County Cherry]

We've just had to remove a lot of posts that mention information that hasn't been discussed in this episode or even on the show yet.

We know there is a lot out there about Tom and Erika but this episode only focused on their divorce and that Erika might have more information.   

If you have knowledge about future events and would like to know what is considered a spoiler, click on the spoiler link below.  If you're not spoiled or have future information and don't want future information, then don't read the next part.  

Spoiler

 

Tom's dementia.

Tom/Erika's victims or crimes.  

 

 

[blixie]

I can't believe Erika is being so transparent about her motives, aka, she is implying something is coming for her as if it's TOM when it's her potential "legal issues". edited because we can't talk about things that are known. 

Ugh Sutton, Ugh Crystal, "nip it in the bud" is RH code for BEAT IT INTO the ground, rile it up forever. For once I wish these women would learn a better phrase: let sleeping dogs lie. OTHO this is why I watch to see privileged women try to out bitch each other, those mutual "I believe  you" exchanges were fantastic. I much prefer a Sutton that throws down even if she is wrong than the one that uses tears and face roller to get through a conflict. 

Again really annoying that the producers have decided to coddle Erika and are still using Sutton v. Crystal as fodder. What in the entire actual fuck?

Edited June 24, 2021 by blixie

[Cosmocrush]

3 hours ago, Thumper said:

I like Kathy’s outfit.  More normal.

And I liked how she explained it too:  When I'm in Paris, this is what I wear during the day.  Ha!

[Ms Blue Jay]

I hate when people demand to be thanked for random shit they do for people that the person did not ask them to do whatsoever.  Like Sutton bringing Crystal her coat.

"I brought her her COAT.  I was being NICE.  I brought her her COAT".  Ok?  In a locked, private residence?  Why the hell did she need it for when she was sleeping?  If someone bothered me late at night to bring my coat from the couch to my bedroom I'd be confused too.

That being said, whatever, Sutton is weird, and manipulative, but Kyle is the worst.  STFU and stay the hell out of it, Kyle.  You're such a busybody.

Edited June 24, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[MinorL]

2 hours ago, WaltersHair said:

Does Erika have dirt on these ladies, because they are being extraordinarily  cordial. They have beaten the Sutton-Crystal 30 second encounter literally to death, but are giving Erika space on a sudden divorce announcement? Complete BS.

They’re afraid of her. 

[Thumper]

I think I have missed a lot of the Kyle skullduggery over the years.  As I have missed much of the vitriol towards LVP (Except I thought she was sneaky and “who me?” towards Eileen).  And the dog thing, IMO, still rests squarely on Dorit.  Not sure how LVP got bounced on that one.

Anyhow, Kyle.  Must watch her more closely. 😁

[Ms Blue Jay]

So Kyle and Sutton were going to Crystal's and they discussed it beforehand, was Kyle asking Sutton "Do I need an out?"  Like she's already planning to bail on Crystal's dinner?  

So I know I'm slow on the uptake but Rinna's actions (ingratiating Erika at every fucking turn, even though she's making no sense), and Kyle's actions (positing Sutton as having 100% innocent intentions 24 hours of the day and anyone who thinks differently is crazy) show me two women who want to be top dog with their two minions Erika and Sutton while Dorit and Garcelle and Crystal are on the bottom of this pile.  

And now Garcelle is saying Sutton is "harmless"?  Ugh.  Crystal is allowed to feel however she wants about Sutton and I don't know why people in this cast bend over backwards to defend Sutton when she is constantly manipulative and acting victimized.  She spoke about her father, sure, and when Crystal did the same she completely ignored it.  

Edited June 24, 2021 by Ms Blue Jay

[Thumper]

16 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

So Kyle and Sutton were going to Crystal's and they discussed it beforehand, was Kyle asking Sutton "Do I need an out?"  Like she's already planning to bail on Crystal's dinner?  

So I know I'm slow on the uptake but Rinna's actions (ingratiating Erika at every fucking turn, even though she's making no sense), and Kyle's actions (positing Sutton as having 100% innocent intentions 24 hours of the day and anyone who thinks differently is crazy) show me two women who want to be top dog with their two minions Erika and Sutton while Dorit and Garcelle and Crystal are on the bottom of this pile.  

And now Garcelle is saying Sutton is "harmless"?  Ugh.  Crystal is allowed to feel however she wants about Sutton and I don't know why people in this cast bend over backwards to defend Sutton when she is constantly manipulative and acting victimized.  She spoke about her father, sure, and when Crystal did the same she completely ignored it.  

I don’t understand the Sutton - Chrystal thing anymore, except to say “ let it go.”  But they won’t.

Totally on board with the sense that  evil Rinna is faux-sympathizing with Ericka.  🤮

 

[Emmeline]

3 hours ago, Hangin Out said:

I’m glad it’s not my sofa Erika’s sitting on with no underwear.  WTF?

Especially with her oiled up vagina!

[Shannah Banana]

Crystal is a bitch when she wants to be, and she has a craw up her ass over Sutton and she's the one that broke the faith and kept it alive and alive and alive.  She's really stretched the truth with many of her Sutton stories, and I really couldn't understand how she felt like she was doing Sutton a favor by trying to squash the whole naked debacle, when she was dragging her every chance she got, with a skewed perception of it, imo.  She has body issues that maybe, cause her a certain paranoia also.  Not to mention, she's an asshole. 

Erika.  It felt like she was painting Tom as a control freak that didn't really love her, and was somewhat afraid of him.  Clearly, she bailed on the whole situation though.  She wasn't going down with Tom and his ship, that's for sure.  It's hard to ooo and ahhh over her house under the current climate, but I was glad to see her dog. 

 

[Cheezwiz]

I can't believe we're supposed to feel sorry for Erika having to move into a 2,000 square foot rental house (which was a lovely character home by the way, and I would kill to live in a charming house like that). I'm wondering if the editors are having fun with the lingering shots of all of Erika's clothing racks and piles and piles of designer shoes. How ever will they fit into 3 bedrooms? THE HORROR!

Clearly the Sutton walk-in is the puppygate/Denisegate horse to be beaten to death this season. I think Sutton was wrong, but I'm liking Crystal less and less. No, Crystal, you are not obligated to respond when others keep bringing it up. This feels something souped up by producers for drama.

Although I'm not super fond of Crystal, I like her house, and her husband seems like a nice fellow. I thought it was a really fun activity that she chose for everyone to do - very lighthearted, not to mention delicious looking. Too bad she seems like a bit of a pill herself. Craving pork and green onion dumplings something fierce now.

I hope Garcelle meets up with a nice man who appreciates her - I think she's great.

[renatae]

Only watching to see the Erika Spin-a-thon. She initially made it out like she only left with the clothes on her back, a couch, and two chairs. "I don't have a dining room table." Boo Hoo. The place is gorgeous, and looks like she's lived there at least 6 months. Wonder who decorated it? Not Erika - too much class. Until we come to the Costume Room.

On to Suttongate. They get more pathetic every year. Nothing compares to doggy gate. Can't belive this mistake of entering Crystal's room is the latest unspeakable offense. I guess anything to take the attention off Erika's real problems.

[SemiCharmedLife]

It's so crazy watching these episodes knowing what has unfolded with Erika and Tom.  A highlight was Erika praising herself as someone who can keep a secret.  Lawyers, are you taking notes???

[renatae]

8 hours ago, Hangin Out said:

Why is Kyle still wearing that hat while eating lunch?  Where does she think she is?

In the way back (cough) ladies who donned hats wore them throughout, whether church, dinner, or shopping. I actually loved Kyle's outfit. Everybody else parading around in their LV tattoo togs looked ridiculous. And I hate Kyle.

Edited June 24, 2021 by renatae

[SemiCharmedLife]

RE:  Sutton's party

I was glad to see she had included name cards, since she was so aghast that other hostesses did not have them.

If that party cost $35,000, we need to see the swag bags- they must contain at least $30,000 worth of goodies.

[RealHousewife]

2 hours ago, Thumper said:

I think I have missed a lot of the Kyle skullduggery over the years.  As I have missed much of the vitriol towards LVP (Except I thought she was sneaky and “who me?” towards Eileen).  And the dog thing, IMO, still rests squarely on Dorit.  Not sure how LVP got bounced on that one.

Anyhow, Kyle.  Must watch her more closely. 😁

Here are my opinions as a super fan of the show since season 1 . . . 

Kyle is probably a great wife, mother, aunt, and friend to those she truly likes. But she has a mean streak and has been involved in many of the most ugly moments of the show. Just to name a few: limo-gate, Game Night, ganging up against a grieving LVP, then ganging up against Denise the next season. Even though she's a beautiful woman who has everything, she comes across pretty jealous. She usually only has beef with the more physically attractive or popular cast mates. If you're not a buxom blonde or bigger hit with the fans, you won't be on the receiving end of her inner Regina George. Her bitchiness is pretty direct when it comes out, and most of the time she feels bad afterwards and is pretty good about apologizing. She is also great about taking apologies when she's been wronged and moving on. She might even end up being your bridesmaid. She knows she's definitely not perfect and doesn't pretend to be. 

I also think Lisa is wonderful to everyone she cares about. I wouldn't say she's a mean girl. She's never been part of any gang-ups. She knows she's got everything going for her and is not intimidated by other women. While I don't think she's Regina George, she can be an ass and say it's British humor darling! She doesn't like to be directly bitchy; her style is more passive aggressive. She liked to stir up the pot among the others but step away smelling like roses. She is the more loyal friend. She will have your back, defend you, and not put you down, unlike Kyle. If you cross her though, she is less forgiving. You better have enough bridesmaids because you'll be lucky if she even attends your wedding. Sometimes I don't blame her for being hurt and cutting people out of her life. Other times I wish she'd chill out, apologize, and move on. It's okay if you're not perfect Lisa! You're still closer to perfection than all the rest of us. 

[CrinkleCutCat]

Crystal, carefully not talking about the Sutton late night walk-in, has managed to do a lot of talking about it! It’s gone from it being “not a problem” to her being “violated”.  

Sutton seems to divide opinion here. Awkward innocent versus perpetual manipulative victim. Someone else saying “whatever you’re doing in here” might be creepy, but with Sutton she’s trying to be funny to cover up her embarrassment. Actually… think about it like this: someone who has Autism/is Autistic (fierce debate about the two options so I’m covering both bases) will say things in a way that is awkward and we don’t (shouldn’t) judge them if we understand that they just don’t have the social skills to be diplomatic/not seem creepy, etc. I’m not saying Sutton has Autism, I’m just saying her *awkwardness* and different *social skills* mean her walk-in encounter with Crystal was innocent and, sure, ended up being weird for both of them… but to label it “creepy” and a violation is gas-lighting Sutton.

disclaimer: I don’t mean to bring pathology into this but I thought it was a good example of understanding context about social skills to inform how we judge someone….  I have a son with Autism.

Edited June 24, 2021 by CrinkleCutCat

[pasdetrois]

Crystal appears to be a miserable human being. She's sour all of the time. In one scene she acted as if she couldn't stand being around her family.

Who wrote Erika's Poor Me script? An attorney or a PR firm? It's disturbing that Bravo is coddling her in exchange for ratings (and will probably continue to do so). Is the cute house the one she has been rumored to be living in for several seasons?

The others know (in these scenes) something big is up with Erika and Tom, but they are too experienced in the ways of Hollywood divorce drama to speculate on-camera. Also, they have their own quite large skeletons, and they don't want Erika to retaliate.

Edited June 24, 2021 by pasdetrois

[Slakkie]

It is interesting that after defending her "Tom" all these years she is now embracing the narrative that it was a loveless controlling relationship that she finally had enough.  It does not ring true and its apparent she was trying to be the victim.  What I don't get is that on one hand she is sure that her is going to get her but on the other hand she says he does not give a shit about her.

Which one is it Erika?  And why are the Ho Wives giving her a pass of not being real?  How many people have they turned on and destroyed for less?  I will be quite interested to see how this plays out

[tvfanatic13]

To the unaware, Erika came across as sympathetic. To those that have watched her for years (or at least to me), she is a better actress than we thought. 

[Chatty Cake]

I believed Erika as far as how Tom treated her but I believe it didn’t matter as long as the money was flowing her way. I’m sure they lived separately enough for her to basically have her own freedom.  If he were that controlling I doubt he would have allowed her to dress up and sing such gems like the one where she says her kitty is a python.

[nexxie]

10 hours ago, Hangin Out said:

I’m glad it’s not my sofa Erika’s sitting on with no underwear.  WTF?

 

6 hours ago, Emmeline said:

Especially with her oiled up vagina!

Erika probably plans to use her naked oiled vajayjay to lure a rich rando - sort of like trolling for fish.

Edited June 24, 2021 by nexxie

[Keywestclubkid]

8 hours ago, Feech said:

Compare and contrast the parties at Sutton and Crystals houses.

Sutton’s party was elegant and classy.

Crystal’s had her relatives and nanny doing all the work while she ordered her poor schlub of a husband around like he worked for Ramona.

Plus it looked like Sutton was the only one who brought a hostess gift.

Interesting. 
 

  Reveal spoiler

Erika Jayne actually never saw Tom Giradi naked. She walked in on him once to give him a coat and he was lying on the bed sweating covered in cash he stole from widows and orphans.

 

They were two totally different kind of parties. Sutton ALSO had hired help what’s wrong with having your family there to make dumplings (that her family made with her when she was younger) At a non formal party? So it’s ok for Sutton to have help but god forbid Crystal has a nanny (She has small children ) and a housekeeper there? Elegant and classy? Sutton was trying to push her jewelry line at the ladies (so she could help pay for the 35k party) lol come on now .. 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Keywestclubkid

[pasdetrois]

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I guess Erika should  start dating, maybe bag another rich guy to pay for all her upcoming lawyer fees. 

The short dress and hooker heels, the "I put THC on my clit"...advertising her sexuality to potential sugar daddies.

[65mickey]

Did Chrystal say that she was violated by Sutton or that she felt violated? If the latter she is entitled to her feelings. If I had been naked in my room late at night and someone walked in without being invited in I would feel violated also. I'm hoping we have heard the last of this but somehow I doubt it.  

[Keywestclubkid]

1 minute ago, 65mickey said:

Did Chrystal say that she was violated by Sutton or that she felt violated? If the latter she is entitled to her feelings. If I had been naked in my room late at night and someone walked in without being invited in I would feel violated also. I'm hoping we have heard the last of this but somehow I doubt it.  

She felt violated… 

[Maximona]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She felt violated… 

I might have felt violated, too, if Sutton had actually used that cartoon villain voice that Crystal made up for the 100th iteration of this incident when she's talking to whichever forgettable cast member she was talking to earlyish in the episode.

Wasn't there kind of an evil Sutton laugh, too?

I still think Crystal is going for the answer to the Big Question—Sutton:  Racist Bigot or Repressed Lesbian????—every time she trots this one out again.  Give it a break for Gawd's sake, Crystal!

[amarante]

2 hours ago, Slakkie said:

 

Which one is it Erika?  And why are the Ho Wives giving her a pass of not being real?  How many people have they turned on and destroyed for less?  I will be quite interested to see how this plays out

Crystal, Kyle and Kathy were on WWHL last night and the question was briefly raised in terms of why they were sympathetic towards Erika in last night's episode with Rinna stating that she wanted to give her "space" versus treatment of Denise.

They appear to have completely changed their current response as essentially uniformly they all said that this episode was filmed 6 months ago and they were reacting based on the information they had at the moment. 

So it appears they have (or their PR flacks) are preparing for any kind of shift in their support of her. Of course it can go either way but it is at least a shift in how they have been publicly dealing with it up to that moment last night.

[Keywestclubkid]

36 minutes ago, Maximona said:

I might have felt violated, too, if Sutton had actually used that cartoon villain voice that Crystal made up for the 100th iteration of this incident when she's talking to whichever forgettable cast member she was talking to earlyish in the episode.

Wasn't there kind of an evil Sutton laugh, too?

I still think Crystal is going for the answer to the Big Question—Sutton:  Racist Bigot or Repressed Lesbian????—every time she trots this one out again.  Give it a break for Gawd's sake, Crystal!

She opened the door saw her naked made a comment and STILL went in the room ... NO in no way is that Ok I am sorry .. you see someone naked you turn around and WALK OUT .. you dont make a comment of whatever you are doing in here and continue in the room ... SUTTON is in the wrong in this 100% doesnt matter sorry

[Pondlass1]

Who is this misty eyed soft spoken woman and what has she done with Erika? And what of the sweet aged super lawyer, so proud of his wife, who charmed all the housewives that time. Where’d he go? Is anything real?

 If Chrystal had locked her door, what then? Crickets?

 

[Yours Truly]

8 hours ago, Shannah Banana said:

Crystal is a bitch when she wants to be, and she has a craw up her ass over Sutton and she's the one that broke the faith and kept it alive and alive and alive.  She's really stretched the truth with many of her Sutton stories, and I really couldn't understand how she felt like she was doing Sutton a favor by trying to squash the whole naked debacle, when she was dragging her every chance she got, with a skewed perception of it, imo.  She has body issues that maybe, cause her a certain paranoia also.  Not to mention, she's an asshole. 

Erika.  It felt like she was painting Tom as a control freak that didn't really love her, and was somewhat afraid of him.  Clearly, she bailed on the whole situation though.  She wasn't going down with Tom and his ship, that's for sure.  It's hard to ooo and ahhh over her house under the current climate, but I was glad to see her dog. 

 

THANK YOU! I'm loving the fact that they kept flashing back to EVEN MORE conversations we didn't get to see of Crystal retelling the story. Now I understand that she was being asked by the other women but we got to see and hear just how much seasoning she continued to put on the details. Crystal didn't just explain what happened she elaborated and dissected and imposed this sinister narrative to each explanation. She couldn't have just said, "well I was walking out of the shower naked, Sutton came in with my coat I fell to the floor in a ball to cover myself and Sutton make some comment about "I don't know what's going on in here" dropped the coat and scurried out." The way Crystal tells the story, first of all she makes in seem like Sutton came in and pulled up a chair and stayed a while, but she also inserts a narrative that's way more than it needed to be. 

Look, when I recount an experience, even if I'm not happy with the situation or the person I'm speaking of I try to stay as close to facts as possible AND THEN if I want to get into how I felt about stuff I start expressing what bothered me about how things transpired but during Crystals retelling of the story she seemed to insert an exaggerated version. I'm surprised she didn't add details like Sutton slithered in with her forked tongue, proclaimed I was a masterbating pervert and slithered out after taking 30 mental pictures of my naked body. I don't know Crystals versions just all sounded like she couldn't wait to paint Sutton as some really bad person that did a bad thing to her and I find Crystal ridiculous.

Garcelle's TH was right on the money. Sutton is harmless. Awkward and cooky but harmless. My take on the perceived Sutton "victimhood" is that she has indeed been a victim. The thing about social awkwardness is that most people don't have patience for it. For some reason society likes to act like it has a right to mistreat people who don't find the basic footing of maneuvering around others. I've been targeted in the past because I've said the wrong thing or my timing has been bad etc. You know what that does over the years? It turns us into hyper aware people who are constantly worried that we are being judged and criticized for every move. My thing is just because someone has traits and quirks that are annoying to you doesn't mean you have a right to mistreat them. You have a right to protect your peace and figure out what YOU need to do to create a comfortable space where interacting with that person doesn't cause you distress. Scolding someone or expecting another person to change in order to appease your inability to be mature around others that aren't exactly your cup of tea screams "Mean Girl" to me.

All it seems is that Crystal is a pretty abrupt personality and people like Sutton challenge her patience so in turn she finds herself in a position where she's in danger of showing a not so nice side of herself. These type of people resent the socially awkward because they bring out the ugly side in them. To them you've imposed and you've forced them to have to be civil, to have to TRY to be nice and because you have quirks or traits that irritate them they are aggravated that they have to call on more patience than they would with someone who falls within the basic social graces of group interaction.

I'm not saying that it isn't trying to deal with these types of personalities but it's not an excuse to turn around and try to label them in a way that tries to justify the way you are treating them. From the beginning Crystal has been trying to put Sutton in a particular box in the minds of the others ladies and the audience and to me it reeks of her trying to lay down the groundwork to absolve herself for any attacks towards Sutton down the line. 

She's also tried to vilify Suttons actions with her retelling of the incident. Like geez louise. I have no problem with her feeling a certain kind of way about how vulnerable she was in that situation but to continue to present it like some malicious behavior on the part of Sutton is just so fucked up.

Besides Crystal lost me when she sat down with Sutton called her crazy and manic and giggled at her when Sutton was trying to express herself. Sutton may have been overly emotional during her interactions but at the same time I see her ready to sit down and quietly discuss something with someone. The fact that she gets very anxious and uncomfortable during tense discussions really doesn't strike me as extra at all. I've been in hella stressful conversations where my nerves are on fire and my heartbeat was a bit fast and tears were a serious possibility so I'm just guessing that's where Suttons emotions are when she pulls out the roller. The fact that a coping mechanism comes under fire and is another reason for someone to be targeted is pretty mindboggling to me. To call people "extra" and doubt their distress and accuse people of doing things just for theatrics is another very bad course of action that is such a disservice for mental health. It's rather sad actually. 

 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Yours Truly

[chlban]

10 hours ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I hate when people demand to be thanked for random shit they do for people that the person did not ask them to do whatsoever.  Like Sutton bringing Crystal her coat.

"I brought her her COAT.  I was being NICE.  I brought her her COAT".  Ok?  In a locked, private residence?  Why the hell did she need it for when she was sleeping?  If someone bothered me late at night to bring my coat from the couch to my bedroom I'd be confused too.

That being said, whatever, Sutton is weird, and manipulative, but Kyle is the worst.  STFU and stay the hell out of it, Kyle.  You're such a busybody.

This. As always Kyle is right in the middle of everything trying to stir up trouble. 

[Keywestclubkid]

3 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

 

 If Chrystal had locked her door, what then? Crickets?

 

it was her room with the door closed what does it matter if it was locked or not? that's like saying well if the wife just stopped talking then she wouldn't get hit .. its a moot point because it wasn't Suttons room the moment she opened the door and saw her naked she should have turned around ... this is ALL on sutton not crystal who was in her own room with the door closed...

[Yours Truly]

17 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She opened the door saw her naked made a comment and STILL went in the room ... NO in no way is that Ok I am sorry .. you see someone naked you turn around and WALK OUT .. you dont make a comment of whatever you are doing in here and continue in the room ... SUTTON is in the wrong in this 100% doesnt matter sorry

So what's the punishment? Sutton made a mistake in how she chose to handle it and considering how socially awkward we've seen Sutton I'm not that surprised that she mishandled it. What's the end goal anyway? The girl made an error in how to handle that situation. Now what? Tar and feathering? Self flogging? I'm just curious. LOL 

[Hangin Out]

On 6/20/2021 at 1:47 AM, Feech said:

Everybody seems to want to protect Erika Jayne.

It’s disgusting.

Garcelle is probably the only one who is not afraid of Erika, or anyone.  The rest are kiss asses and phonies.  They probably can’t stand Erika.

[Keywestclubkid]

26 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

So what's the punishment? Sutton made a mistake in how she chose to handle it and considering how socially awkward we've seen Sutton I'm not that surprised that she mishandled it. What's the end goal anyway? The girl made an error in how to handle that situation. Now what? Tar and feathering? Self flogging? I'm just curious. LOL 

The punishment apparently is Crystal being called a bitch and at fault for being in her own room with the door closed. It’s kinda funny that Sutton is getting a pass when she is the one that instigated the whole issue but it’s Crystal who is the bad and wrong one.  Again the white lady who cries gets a pass and the PoC is once again held at fault ... That whole weekend it was Sutton again coming for crystal but its crystal that is being a bitch in holding Sutton at arms length because she was acting unhinged towards her /......

Edited June 24, 2021 by Keywestclubkid

[Chatty Cake]

26 minutes ago, Pondlass1 said:

Who is this misty eyed soft spoken woman and what has she done with Erika? And what of the sweet aged super lawyer, so proud of his wife, who charmed all the housewives that time. Where’d he go? Is anything real?

 If Chrystal had locked her door, what then? Crickets?

 

I used to think Tom had a sweet old man side too. He probably was a little of everything throughout the marriage. 
I would have locked my door! There’s a camera crew there, who knows how many people. If I were on the Sutton end I would have waited after the knock before opening the door and called out that I had her coat. It’s called manners Sutton. Now they are both blowing it way out of proportion.  It was awkward but not worthy of multiple discussions.

[Ms Blue Jay]

23 minutes ago, Yours Truly said:

So what's the punishment? Sutton made a mistake in how she chose to handle it and considering how socially awkward we've seen Sutton I'm not that surprised that she mishandled it. What's the end goal anyway? The girl made an error in how to handle that situation. Now what? Tar and feathering? Self flogging? I'm just curious. LOL 

Punishment?  Crystal went out in front of the group with the intention of SOLVING this problem with Sutton in front of everyone.  Little did she know that Sutton was going to take her to task for every single thing Crystal has ever said to her but now, with an audience.

Nobody but Dorit is taking Crystal's side on this.  Everyone seems to be punishing Crystal.  Gabrielle and Kyle both seem to feel that Sutton never has malicious intent in any situation at all, which honestly is pretty condescending to Sutton.  

Crystal needs to figure out that you can't have good intentions with Sutton.  She'll find a way to tear you down in front of everyone.

[escatefromny]

Has Crystal never been to a gym or a spa???  He she never been to a European beach?? There are so many routine occasions when friends (and strangers) see you naked, I just don't understand why she thinks this is a big deal.  (I think it is funny too that she likely didn't hear the knock and Sutton's call becuase she was busy on the phone with her friend criticizing all the women.)

Granted I grew up with sisters and went to a single sex college, but this over the top reaction to someone seeing you naked just seems put on to me (and absurd).  Especially after seeing how close she is with her female cousins.  Instead of "dropping to your knees and covering yourself", how about just turning around, grabbing a towel or going into the bathroom ..... what is she hiding, a tail?

My brother-in-law walked in on me in an outdoor shower on a beach vacation, I turned around, he said sorry, closed the door and it was never mentioned again ... because it is not a big deal!!!!!

[Keywestclubkid]

2 minutes ago, escatefromny said:

Has Crystal never been to a gym or a spa???  He she never been to a European beach?? There are so many routine occasions when friends (and strangers) see you naked, I just don't understand why she thinks this is a big deal.  (I think it is funny too that she likely didn't hear the knock and Sutton's call becuase she was busy on the phone with her friend criticizing all the women.)

Granted I grew up with sisters and went to a single sex college, but this over the top reaction to someone seeing you naked just seems put on to me (and absurd).  Especially after seeing how close she is with her female cousins.  Instead of "dropping to your knees and covering yourself", how about just turning around, grabbing a towel or going into the bathroom ..... what is she hiding, a tail?

My brother-in-law walked in on me in an outdoor shower on a beach vacation, I turned around, he said sorry, closed the door and it was never mentioned again ... because it is not a big deal!!!!!

The door was closed to her own private room. Repeating the door was closed to her own PRIVATE room. Sutton had also just had an altercation with the woman. Did I think Sutton has some evil Ill intent? No but blaming crystal for feeling a type of way about being naked and walked in on by a woman that was just attacking her is justified… 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Keywestclubkid

[Cosmocrush]

13 hours ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

This is probably the best acting job Erika has ever done.

Poor Erika.  After decades of suffering she was brave enough to stoically move out while Tom was at work. ( In November.  When California was still pretty much closed but somehow 81 year olds were still heading into "the firm".   ) 

Poor, brave Erica.  Leaving a 16,000 sqf home "she never made her own" in Pasadena to slum it up in a $1.5 million dollar Los Angeles house that's all hers.  

Poor, brave, mansion-less Erika.  Her bankroll husband called her expensive in front of his friends.  (Gasp!)and the implication was it was more than once!  He wouldn't have a real conversation with her even though he is 81 and apparently suffering some cognitive decline.

Poor, brave, mansion-less, lonely Erika.  She had to resort to paying her staff to be her friends.  She had to settle for buying a show business career and then it got cancelled by Covid.   The money to pay her friends employees dried up.  

Oh look poor, brave, mansion-less, friendless Erika, dressed up like a hooker and oiled up her coochy to make Asian dumplings at Crystal's home.  At least she got a meal.   

*snort* 

 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Cosmocrush

[WhatAmIWatching]

Aw Crystal, I stuck up for you last episode! I totally get she felt very uncomfortable, but her embellished retelling is no bueno. Sutton isn't a victim here, either. They already hashed it out the day after it happened, and that should've been the end of it, but then I guess it wouldn't be the housewives, lol

 

ok Erika, which is it? On the trip you were saying how Tom brought you expensive food every night for 3 mo and you both spent hours and hours during quarantine really talking to each other, and *now* it was only short sentences and you never saw him and he was mean? When did the "if you can afford her, take her" thing happen, last week?  I'm getting dizzy with all the spin! It's like we're on a tilt-a-whirl 😂 

A long long time ago, didn't she say she had a fashion archive she was building? So, where is all that, in climate controlled storage somewhere? I remember thinking she was copying Rachel Zoe.  And omg poor thing, she had to move from a 4 bed to a 3 bed home. Whatever will she do? Gah!

If Tom worked at The Firm, then I get some of her fear. I watched that movie with the other Tom, and it was quite scary! 🤣 

[Cosmocrush]

8 minutes ago, escatefromny said:

Has Crystal never been to a gym or a spa???  He she never been to a European beach?? There are so many routine occasions when friends (and strangers) see you naked, I just don't understand why she thinks this is a big deal.

Crystal has body dysmorphia issues; I think her sharing about her eating disorders was an attempt to explain that to the ho-wives.   I think it was a big deal to Crystal partly because of her issues.  I don't think Sutton had any ill-intent but she hasn't shown herself to be the epitome of manners she tells us she is anyway. 

[Hangin Out]

13 hours ago, forevertwentynine said:

Oh so she's trying to spin it now that he treated her badly.   

Wow... who is really buying her BS?

That was rich.  All the while he adored her .. now he’s knocking her.  Lol. That was the key.  They hatched up a plan they would hook up again after he/they were found innocent, then would reunite.  So obvious and she’s a bad actress.

[Hangin Out]

28 minutes ago, Chatty Cake said:

I used to think Tom had a sweet old man side too. He probably was a little of everything throughout the marriage. 
I would have locked my door! There’s a camera crew there, who knows how many people. If I were on the Sutton end I would have waited after the knock before opening the door and called out that I had her coat. It’s called manners Sutton. Now they are both blowing it way out of proportion.  It was awkward but not worthy of multiple discussions.

It looked like a planned move to give Crystal something to bitch about.

[Persnickety1]

45 minutes ago, Hangin Out said:

Garcelle is probably the only one who is not afraid of Erika, or anyone.  The rest are kiss asses and phonies.  They probably can’t stand Erika.

All of these women have skeletons in their closet, skeletons that Erika would not hesitate to drag out into the light and in front of the camera to take them down with her.  And the women know that.  

All of them, except for Garcelle.  Well, maybe Sutton has no skeletons in her closet, but she doesn't have the social skills to hold anyone's feet to the fire.

If any of them are going to nut up and go toe to toe with the odious Erika, I believe Garcelle could hold Erika's feet to the fire and verbally take her down, smiling sweetly the entire time without backing down.  

Or maybe I'm biased because I happen to love Garcelle.  

 

 

[Hangin Out]

13 hours ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

This is probably the best acting job Erika has ever done.

So obvious it’s hilarious.  Concocted by the lawyers.

[WhatAmIWatching]

23 minutes ago, Cosmocrush said:

Crystal has body dysmorphia issues; I think her sharing about her eating disorders was an attempt to explain that to the ho-wives.   I think it was a big deal to Crystal partly because of her issues.  I don't think Sutton had any ill-intent but she hasn't shown herself to be the epitome of manners she tells us she is anyway. 

I really feel for her over body dysmorphia and ED issues. That's a life-long and difficult struggle. At the same time, she shouldn't have accepted Sutton's apology if she were going to keep bashing her to other people over it. IMO that's unfair and kinda crappy. How many times is one expected to apologize for something?
Since she was a brand new friend to Sutton, Sutton never should've done the knock-and-enter thing. They had no history or shared time together yet. It would be different if it had been Kyle's room. To me, both Crystal and Sutton are in the wrong.

Edited June 24, 2021 by WhatAmIWatching
Both not but, autocarrot!

[lilmarysunshine]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

She opened the door saw her naked made a comment and STILL went in the room ... NO in no way is that Ok I am sorry .. you see someone naked you turn around and WALK OUT .. you dont make a comment of whatever you are doing in here and continue in the room ... SUTTON is in the wrong in this 100% doesnt matter sorry

That was not my impression. I thought she knocked, did not get a response, went in the room to put the coat down and then saw her naked. Embarrassed, she made a joke about it. There is a slight delay after she goes in before we hear conversation, iirc. I am assuming because she did not see Chrystal as soon as she opened the door.

Is Chrystal a friend of Teddi’s? Seems like Teddi would have had the same reaction with making a mountain out of a molehill.