S10.E21: Reunion Part 2

[charming]

What this boils down to is Bethenny cut Carole to the red meat. She said that Adam was using her and was an operator. I think she probably said other things as well which I wish Andy would have asked about.

As Carol pulled away Bethenny continued her attacks and it all went downhill from there. Accusing her of not acting her age? Making snide comments about Red Scarf wanting Bethenny "first" and he only moved on to Carol because he was Tom 2.0.  Comments that she doesn't have a career? Come on, Bethenny is hitting Carol where she knows it will hurt the most.

[bencr]

1 minute ago, ryebread said:

I'm so glad Carole isn't coming back!

In prior seasons, I liked Carole as a kind of Greek chorus who would observe and comment on the other cast members in a wry, albeit dispassionate way (kind of like Cameron on Southern Charm). This season she "found her voice" in a more active way, and I didn't like her nearly as much.

[Martinigirl]

7 minutes ago, ChitChat said:

That's how I felt about the situation all along.  Maybe Carole didn't want to hurt Bethenny's feelings with the truth, but then it snowballed and got out of control.  I think Carole just got so aggravated that she then snapped at Andy.  Again, I wouldn't be too broken up about losing this gig.  I think it would be better for her credibility if she just quietly walks away from it. 

And yet, she is stalking Bethenny's twitter and re-tweeting the nasty tweets. Carole is one scary bitch.

[ShawnaLanne]

28 minutes ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

I agree. I don't think Carole's outburst was the result of anything other than frustration.

And? She did state in her book that Anthony was sterile due to his first fight with cancer and has spoken on the show before about things turning out differently and being the mom pushing a double stroller around. That seems to indicate that Carole is not childfree by choice. I think she is resigned to it now. As for the "swipe left" comment, I can see where she might not want to be a stepmother at this point in her life.

 

That's why she knew that Adam wasn't going to be a forever thing. She knew that he wanted children and she wasn't going to have any.

 

Yes. She said this the first or second year they were dating. After she meets his mom I think, and she said she'd let go for that and understood it, which was why I was confused at her reaction to it ending. But love and logic don't always mix.

Edited August 30, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[Fiero425]

1 minute ago, charming said:

What this boils down to is Bethenny cut Carole to the red meat. She said that Adam was using her and was an operator. I think she probably said other things as well which I wish Andy would have asked about.

As Carol pulled away Bethenny continued her attacks and it all went downhill from there. Accusing her of not acting her age? Making snide comments about Red Scarf wanting Bethenny "first" and he only moved on to Carol because he was Tom 2.0.  Comments that she doesn't have a career? Come on, Bethenny is hitting Carol where she knows it will hurt the most.

Nope, Bethenny's oblivious to her character assassinations! She's in complete denial when diagnosing Dorinda! Even when she felt right, she retreats when put on the spot for some reason and just completely obfuscates her comments that we see on tape! The woman's touched in the head! ;-(

[filmfan2480]

My thoughts of each woman tonight:

Dorinda:  I think she's a drunk.  The other women know it.  Only one says it.  I LOVE how Dorinda says everyone else drinks.  Ummmm, yeah ... THEY DO.  And not ONE of them exhibits the kind of repulsive, slurred, combative behavior that she showed regularly.  And this nonsense that she "had a couple drinks".  There is more drinking going on than is being said, and possibly other things.  I used to love Dorinda.  I think she CAN be kind and intelligent and clear-headed and fun.  But oooooof.  This season.

Ramona: She sooo knows that Dorinda has a major drinking problem and says nothing.  Weak.  I love what she had to say to Bethenny that day on the street on her cell phone.  But other than that moment, she's been neutral/Switzerland this season (in matters concerning Dorinda and Carole/Bethenny) and it drives me crazy.

Tinsley: I like her, but this whole Scott thing is tiresome and she seems weak-willed.

Sonja:  She's just kind of ... there.  Comes out with the occasional correct and/or funny barb.

LuAnn: She DEFINITELY let her already large ego get too big.  The fame/infamy got to her.  And her being sued was the tipping point.

Bethenny/Carole:  Sorry ... I find the whole thing sad.  I think they did love each other and were good friends (while also probably realizing each other's faults, but friends brush those aside and defend each other, as they have).  Honestly ... I think that they both were in the wrong in their friendship implosion.  Bethenny's talking heads about Carole were RUDE.  And Carole's responses in her blogs were astoundingly vicious (and mostly true).  Carole said things where I was like: "Yep, bang on correct.  Bethenny is lying and knows it, too".  And then Bethenny said things where I was like: "Yep, Carole is lying to herself right now.   I'm with Bethenny on this one!"  etc, etc.  I'm just sad.  I think Bethenny is a hoot, but she drives me insane, too.  And Carole has grown on me over time.  But now she's gone.  And I won't be able to track if this friendship was ever going to get back on track, at all.  I assume NO.  But you never know.

Edited August 30, 2018 by filmfan2480

[AnnA]

9 minutes ago, ryebread said:

I was kind of sad to hear she was going but I'm not anymore.

Either toeless sequined socks or just really hideous mesh shoe-boots.  Whichever - fug.

Even if Carole was my fave, I'd still hate her reunion look - head to toe.

Including her reading glasses. 

 

I thought I saw a black ankle strap so if that's right, it was sequined mesh socks. ?

[Drumpf1737]

OMG! Bravo played Season 1 today and I couldn't help but think, wow Bravo wants to gin up support for Bethenny leading into the reunion. However Luann season one versus now is jarring. I wonder if the break up of her marriage shook her more than anyone realized. It's really sad to see this cool, confident, gracious woman reduced.

Why does Ramona always get a pass on being an epic asshole? Who the fuck calls someone's ex to get an invite to their party? Like Andy said, what if one of the other women called Mario to go to his party.

After listening to Carol's list and Bethenny's interruptions I've reached two conclusions, women are just as good at misogyny as men and Bethenny is a bitch. A 70-year-old man can restart his career or date a 25-year-old but a woman can't? To experiment with fashion, cut her hair, simply take pleasure in being alive (aka ride on handlebars) means you're not acting your age because all that is reserved for the young.     

Your career pauses, ebbs, flows and pivots especially if you're in a creative field. So to Bethenny, Barbara Streisand doesn't have a career.  I don't tell people how old I am specifically because of societal bullshit that dictates what's acceptable behavior for women at certain ages. I let people believe I'm 38. It's appalling that Bethenny would say or just think those things about Carol and expect continued friendship!  

Sonja is the best behaved of the group and it's unnerving!

Edited August 30, 2018 by Drumpf1737

[chewycandy]

Did anyone else hear Carole use the word “drumpy”

[Martinigirl]

13 minutes ago, psychoticstate said:

Carole must have been on another show this season.  You know, one where she was continually praising Bethenny and saying only nice things about her.

Bwahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[Fiero425]

This thing with Bethenny trying to undermine Carole's career and choices is really beginning to PO me! WTF does she think she is to signify; "let's compare resumes in the current era!" So again she's age-shaming this woman! Bethenny's truly a huge POS who can't help tearing people down to make herself feel better! Ramona may be right; this b!tch will be alone and probably run off her own child! She's just one horrible human being! ;-(

Edited August 31, 2018 by Fiero425

[Thumper]

46 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

I think the other difference is that There's wasn't necessarily aiming at Andy, Carole was working to humiliate her boss. That's a huuuuge difference.

I don't know that she was "working to humiliate her boss."  I think those words just came out.

 

36 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

I read it too and the cancer was with them from the point they discovered the bump on their honeymoon.  I did not get the same impression.  Carolyn was her best friend and a person who understood what it was like to be a regular person married to someone not so regular.  Anthony's treatment was brutal.  I can't imagine what that must have been like for Carole to go through, being a young wife and newlywed; her husband dealing with a catastrophic illness for the duration of their marriage.  I found What Remains to be very touching.

I think what Bethenny simply cannot stand is Carole has her own friends and her own life.  Whether or not she works regularly is not the point.  Bethenny's career is the only leg she has to stand on.  She has no true friends.  The only adults you ever see with her are on her payroll.  Unless you count Lauren from Pine Crest.  Carole can walk out the door, but Bethenny can't and/or won't.  Bravo keeps Bethenny on television, and television keeps Bethenny in free marketing and advertising for her shitty products.  Carole doesn't need to shill on Bravo to keep her life going.  She's perfectly fine on her own.  Carole also has one other thing that Bethenny does not, and that is a loving family.  By all means, debate.  This is what I believe.  In my eyes, Bethenny is a monster and a terrible human being.  I'd be embarrassed to be associated with her too. 

Agree.

[UsernameFatigue]

2 hours ago, KungFuBunny said:

My impression of Tinsley

KUNGFUBUNNY, as someone who has helped care for 800 rescue bunnies over the last 7 years, I just have to say I absolutely love your GIFs of bunnies! Thank you for posting them! 

Posters have pretty much already stated many of the things I was going to write. I laughed at Dorinda saying that she apologized many times to Lu off camera. But if someone is to say anything to Dorinda - like thank her for a nutcracker - it needs to be on camera or it doesn't count. Noted. 

Dorinda is not only a drunk, but she is nasty even when she isn't drinking. As I recall she was not drinking  when she went crazy on Sonja for daring to compare her divorce to Dorinda's sainted widowhood. I am still ticked that they did not show the clip of Dorinda saying in Cartagena that she and Lu need to go away together for 21 days. Maybe Andy was afraid that Dorinda would go off on him. If I was going to be afraid of any of the Howives, it would be Dorinda. She is nasty.

As someone else pointed out, I don't buy that Scott is too busy to have a relationship with Tinsley. He has time to date others when they are apart. My guess is he just doesn't have a lot in common with Tins. He has a busy career, and Tins has nothing. What are they going to talk about?

Scott: "What did you do today, Tinsley?" 

Tins: "I tried on wedding dresses with you future mother in law, and looked at pictures of the eggs you are going to fertilize one day."  

 

Not to be mean, but Carole has no idea if she and Anthony would have had a child had he lived. Many people think they are going to have a kid and don't because they can't, or they get divorced, or they change their minds.  Whatever. Carole was already 36 when Anthony died. So her window of being able to have kids was already narrowing, especially 20 years ago. But the fact remains, she doesn't have kids. I don't either, and it doesn't bother me a bit if someone points it out. It is the truth. 

[ShawnaLanne]

Just now, Thumper said:

I don't know that she was "working to humiliate her boss."  I think those words just came out.

 

Agree.

Maybe, but she was obviously working from a script the rest of the time.

[mbaywife123]

This has turned into a bad party game of musical chairs.

[bencr]

5 minutes ago, Drumpf1737 said:

Your career pauses, ebbs, flows and pivots especially if you're in a creative field. So to Bethenny, Barbara Streisand doesn't have a career.  I don't tell people how old I am specifically because of societal bullshit that dictates what's acceptable behavior for women at certain ages. I let people believe I'm 38. It's appalling that Bethenny would say or just think those things about Carol and expect continued friendship!  

This is a terrific point. I guess Harper Lee didn't have a career either. Carole won three Emmys and a Peabody award as a broadcast journalist. She wrote two New York Times best selling books and has been a regular columnist for Glamour. In the past few years she is a cast member on a TV reality show. Now she says she wants to go back to writing. I'd say that's a damned good resume.

[SCS]

3 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

I really think it's because Bethenny and Carole got busy. 

LOL I read this as "got busy" -- and thought "that's why Carole looked so distraught in the finale when she and Beth were seated at the bar speaking quietly and Ramona interrupted them --  because Beth was telling her it was merely an interlude and now fini and Carole was devastated."

[UsernameFatigue]

1 hour ago, Gem 10 said:

Weeks ago.  He took a combination of oxycodone, Vicodin and sleeping pills.  A concoction which stops the heart.

Just wondering where you are getting this from? I googled as I thought maybe the results of an autopsy had been published. It turns out that there wasn't an autopsy due to religious reasons. One did not have to be performed since there was no reason to believe the death resulted from a criminal act. 

I like that they closed the show with a picture of Dennis. I liked him on the show (even though he wasn't on a lot) and appreciate they acknowledged him in that manner. 

[howiveaddict]

Anthony dying didn't prevent  Carole from having children. Many women today, have babies without a partner. They use a sperm bank or find a donor. Many men bank their sperm before starting chemo. Or she could always adopt.   Also, I read the book too and it seemed like she didn't want kids.   Juif  So if Carole wanted children, she could have found a way to have them.  She had the money and resources to do so.  Not that Beth saying that she was childless wasn't meant as an insult.  But, Carole shouldn't act like it was the most horrible thing ever said to her because she is a widow.

[Bronzedog]

Umm, Carole?  You don't have a career.  Now that you quit/were fired from this show, you don't even have a job.

[ShawnaLanne]

2 minutes ago, SCS said:

LOL I read this as "got busy" -- and thought "that's why Carole looked so distraught in the finale when she and Beth were seated at the bar speaking quietly and Ramona interrupted them --  because Beth was telling her it was merely an interlude and now fini and Carole was devastated."

It would explain A LOT. I swear they are both acting like ex lovers.

[nexxie]

1 hour ago, ShawnaLanne said:

I mean I personally think every woman who consents to go on these shows is a narcissist. But mean girl Carole, Miss Intellectual, was just too naive to see through Bethenny -  until Bethenny wasn't useful to her anymore.

It’s not that Bethenny wasn’t useful, but that Carole saw behind the mask - and it wasn’t a pretty sight.

[Fiero425]

I think Carole will be just fine without this silly show! ;-)

[RHJunkie]

Bethenny and Carole both look like a couple of fools. I'm glad at least one part of this idiocy is gone because I wouldn't be able to handle another season of their hypocritical bullshit. Bethenny has a particular tendency to exaggerate texts...not sure why when those are traceable compared to a she said/she said conversation, lol...you're not as smart as you think Bethenny. So Bethenny is a bully for not letting Carole speak...wasn't Carole jumping in and not allowing Bethenny to speak in Part 1? Also, Carole claimed she wouldn't say half of those things to an enemy, I wouldn't mind seeing a copy of that list to match up with all the things that she said about Lu which included making references to Lu being a man. She also made a comment about Aviva not having a career too. And earlier in the reunion, she admitted to insulting Bethenny but of course, only after a certain point in the show when she knew for certain Bethenny was bashing her. Then when Andy repeated the comment that they both bashed each other, she said he was full of shit. Andy is full of shit, but he was speaking truth there and there was a handful of clips to prove it. Both of them can fuck outta here. 

Why didn't Bethenny and Carole discuss those specific summer events during the show? That particular conversation seemed reasonable to me regarding their slighted feelings and explanations for why things happened the way it did. Sure, Bethenny in particular was feeling needy but if she had addressed her feelings with Carole sooner (even if at the very first conversation they had this season), Carole would have been able to give her some reassurance that she would have loved to have spent more time during the summer with her but she really wanted to be there for her friend who was grieving over the loss of her husband. Simple. Instead, Bethenny didn't do that and neither thought it important to sit down and try to point down these instances where they felt slighted by one another and address it straight on. 

Tinsley and Scott have such a childish relationship. You break-up over distance and the fact that he's always working...neither of these have changed and you know this each time you try again with him. What exactly do you think will be different when all of your circumstance continue to remain the same? If Tinsley really wants this with him, why doesn't she move to Chicago? She keeps talking about Scott not relocating but Scott has a business and Tinsley is twiddling her thumbs in NYC while mom pays her 10k a month rent. If you see that kind of future with someone, then someone is going to have to make a big compromise because I doubt a marriage surviving in separate cities has a high likelihood.

Bethenny's comments about talking to Noel reinforces my theory that Lu's lawsuit with her kids is more about a last resort to get through to their mother given her issues right now. Her kids are waiting for her and want their mother back, but they need her sober and healthy. So to be clear, Bethenny was part of Lu's intervention? 

Of course Ramona would have the audacity to call someone up to ask for an invite to their party and be completely comfortable in admitting publicly that she was shot down in her attempts, lol. 

I do believe that Dorinda gets particularly nasty when she drinks and I don't believe she was sober when she and Lu had their fight, but that said, I think in many moments when talking about Lu, Dorinda seemed genuine in her care for her and I do think she really does hope to rekindle their friendship at some point. Lu has said shit to people and has forgiven shit to said to her (look at her rekindled friendship with Bethenny). I'll be surprised if they don't at some point make up again. 

[ShawnaLanne]

2 minutes ago, howiveaddict said:

Anthony dying didn't prevent  Carole from having children. Many women today, have babies without a partner. They use a sperm bank or find a donor. Many men bank their sperm before starting chemo. Or she could always adopt.   Also, I read the book too and it seemed like she didn't want kids.   Juif  So if Carole wanted children, she could have found a way to have them.  She had the money and resources to do so.  Not that Beth saying that she was childless wasn't meant as an insult.  But, Carole shouldn't act like it was the most horrible thing ever said to her because she is a widow.

That was my impression when she first started the show. I think she even said something to that effect. But then she changed to this story. I don't begrudge her any version. Our society cares far too much about whether or not a woman has a child and the judgement of women who don't want one is brutal from my observations.

That being said, since Carole has changed her story now and kids are such a charged topic, Bethenny shouldn't have brought up kids. 

My take is that she used it, like she used her husband's death and Carolyn's and John's death in that nasty tweat to Bethenny the day Dennis died, as a way to further bludgeon Bethenny. 

4 minutes ago, nexxie said:

It’s not that Bethenny wasn’t useful, but that Carole saw behind the mask - and it wasn’t a pretty sight.

It's interesting it happened right when Bethenny stopped taking her and Adam on vacation because she was busy helping hurricane victims.

[bichonblitz]

Was Sonja there? And Tinsley? I didn't notice. 

[Neeners]

It's really interesting to not have a dog in this Carole vs. Bethenny fight. I used to like Carole, but that ended basically when she got together with Adam. I haven't liked Bethenny since season two. I started disliking them both even more when they were buddies going after people like Jules. Seeing them completely turn on each other gives me a lot of satisfaction. I'll just wait for that bus to hell over here...

[UsernameFatigue]

12 hours ago, ryebread said:

 

Either toeless sequined socks or just really hideous mesh shoe-boots.  Whichever - fug.

Even if Carole was my fave, I'd still hate her reunion look - head to toe.

Including her reading glasses. 

I figured out tonight what Carole's look reminded me of. The combination of the horrible dress, sour look during 99% of the reunion, and weird shrunken looking mouth reminded me of those shrunken apple head dolls that people dress up in long dresses to resemble little old ladies. 

Edited to add - the other thing I thought odd was Carole's posture during the reunion. It was like she was scrunched up into the couch and slouching. Very odd body language. 

Edited August 30, 2018 by UsernameFatigue

[Neeners]

2 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Was Sonja there? And Tinsley? I didn't notice. 

The only reason I noticed Tinsley is because something was messed up with her face. It looked all swollen. Maybe she'd just had botox or something, but she definitely didn't look like herself.

[Juniebaby]

1 hour ago, AnnA said:

Carole had a child, it would be almost Adam's age.   They could be BFFs LOL

Yes and then he could sleep on Carol’s couch forever like he did at Luanne’s when he was friends with Noel.

[mbaywife123]

Ramona has gone almost silent at this point, she is trying to figure out in her crazy noodle brain which side to land on to keep her job next season. I think she figured out that Carole just got fired after her FU to Andy.

[breezy424]

So,  Carole doesn't have a career.  Well she does.  l guess Beth's choice to be on a reality show doesn't count either since both of you do that.  What does that say about you Beth?  And apparently you just signed up for another season. 

Ro isn't successful because she was supposed to call Beth when she was.  Even though Ro was more financially successful than Beth for decades.  And, Ro was in a twenty year relationship.  How long did your relationships last Beth?

Yeah, Beth has made more money.  Not $125 million but does that define success?  In my mind?  Nope. 

I don't know who is more unhappy.  So or Beth.

[SCS]

2 hours ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

 

 

Will this work?

Perfect! Much better than:

[Bronzedog]

9 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Was Sonja there? And Tinsley? I didn't notice. 

Who's Tinsley?

[mbaywife123]

1 minute ago, Bronzedog said:

Who's Tinsley?

The tissue you take out of your robe pocket after it has been thru the washer & dryer.

[breezy424]

48 minutes ago, funnygirl said:

Dennis passed before part 1 aired but weeks after they filmed the reunion.  They put the in memoriam up tonight because he was mentioned during this part of the reunion. 

Still seems weird to me.  I don't think Beth saying that she hooked up Dennis with Lu about her legal problems is much of a mention to deserve something at the end of the show.  It's also interesting that there was nothing on the Bravo website about Dennis dying.   It's like the TPTB were afraid to touch it.  Just sayin.

[Martinigirl]

2 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

So people who follow Carole on Twitter, is Carole and her sock puppets live tweeting the reunion? If so what is she saying?

She retweeted: (from  Bethenny's twitter)

Cs only crime was waking up. Thats it. And if the roles were reversed, B would be breaking a story and posting pics trying to intimate how "close" she was with Carole's guy. Oh wait. She did that already

and...

B never admits when she is wrong. B lies and uses peeps to suit her story/mood. Bs storyline each season is to pick 1 hw and vilify her. B was posting melon picks and sworn off her so called "love". We saw everything plain as day S10.

 

The tweets probably came from Carole's sock puppet's. 

[ShawnaLanne]

1 minute ago, Martinigirl said:

She retweeted: (from  Bethenny's twitter)

Cs only crime was waking up. Thats it. And if the roles were reversed, B would be breaking a story and posting pics trying to intimate how "close" she was with Carole's guy. Oh wait. She did that already

and...

B never admits when she is wrong. B lies and uses peeps to suit her story/mood. Bs storyline each season is to pick 1 hw and vilify her. B was posting melon picks and sworn off her so called "love". We saw everything plain as day S10.

 

The tweets probably came from Carole's sock puppet's. 

Whether it's a sock or not I see that Carole has no problem mocking Bethenny's relationship with Dennis since she's retweeting. Klassy. It seems to be a theme with people who take on different online persona's, they go as low as possible because they feel safe. So, yeah. I'm thinking those are puppet accounts.

[UsernameFatigue]

25 minutes ago, ShawnaLanne said:

That was my impression when she first started the show. I think she even said something to that effect. But then she changed to this story. I don't begrudge her any version. Our society cares far too much about whether or not a woman has a child and the judgement of women who don't want one is brutal from my observations.

That being said, since Carole has changed her story now and kids are such a charged topic, Bethenny shouldn't have brought up kids. 

My take is that she used it, like she used her husband's death and Carolyn's and John's death in that nasty tweat to Bethenny the day Dennis died, as a way to further bludgeon Bethenny. 

It's interesting it happened right when Bethenny stopped taking her and Adam on vacation because she was busy helping hurricane victims.

I never had a problem with Bethenny bringing up Carole not having kids as it was in relation to what Tinsley and Carole have in common. As someone who does not have kids, I have friends with them, and without them. I enjoy spending time with all, but as many friends with kids (and now grandkids) talking incessently about them, it is refreshing to spend time with other friends without kids, and to focus on other things.

I also got the impression that Carole never cared if she had kids. Yes, people can be brutal to those of us who have chosen not to have kids. Though it is much better now that it was 30 or 40 years ago when it was considered a woman's number one job in life to reproduce. I do find it annoying when women don't own their feelings and opinions though. If you don't want kids, own it. In the end it is your life, and it is weak to me to pretend you want something that you don't, because society says you should. 

Edited August 30, 2018 by UsernameFatigue

[ancslove]

I've said it before, but Carole only has herself to blame for prolonging her breakup with Bethenny.  She should have told B outright that they were done - she had plenty of chances.  But she gave mixed messages, and every time Bethenny seemed to try and take their "new normal" non-friendship status, Carole came back with "I still love you/I still care about you," all the way through the finale.

I wonder if Bethenny first got jealous of Cassandra Grey and the rest of Carole's LA circle, but convinced herself that once filming started, they'd get back on track.  And then Carole got closer to Tinsley, and Bethenny started projecting Cassandra onto Tinsley.  I also wonder how often Carole's LA friends criticized or questioned her friendship with Bethenny, and whether that helped start Carole's reconsideration of B's personality.  

Bethenny can be thoughtlessly abrasive and even mean (thoughtlessly, because I don't think she always sees how harsh some of the jokes she tosses off are), and I get that being the butt of nigh constant sarcastic cracks can get really wearying.  But, Carole has been deliberately vicious all season, especially in THs and blogs.  That she can't see that, or see how that may differ from Bethenny's background patter of jokey insults is really telling.  And it goes back to Carole just not telling Bethenny how she really feels.

[ShawnaLanne]

29 minutes ago, Neeners said:

It's really interesting to not have a dog in this Carole vs. Bethenny fight. I used to like Carole, but that ended basically when she got together with Adam. I haven't liked Bethenny since season two. I started disliking them both even more when they were buddies going after people like Jules. Seeing them completely turn on each other gives me a lot of satisfaction. I'll just wait for that bus to hell over here...

I mean this must be AWESOME for you.

[mbaywife123]

7 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I never had a problem with Bethenny bringing up Carole not having kids as it was in relation to what Tinsley and Carole have in common. As someone who does not have kids, I have friends with them, and without them. I enjoy spending time with all, but as many friends with kids (and now grandkids) talking incessently about them, it is refreshing to spend time with other friends without kids, and to focus on other things.

I also got the impression that Carole never cared if she had kids. Yes, people can be brutal to those of us who have chosen not to have kids. Though it is much better now that it was 30 or 40 years ago when it was considered a woman's number one job in life to reproduce. I do find it annoying when women don't own their feelings and opinions though. If you don't want kids, own it. In the end it is your life, and it is weak to me to pretend you want something that you don't, because society says you should. 

Posted my opinion many moons ago about being childfree. Good for people who make the decision to not have any and good for the people that wish to have them and raise them. Everyone should have the right to plan their lives they wish to live it.

[hottesthw]

1 hour ago, bagger said:

Why would that be a bad thing? Bethenny is being paid and paid well to advertise her brand for free. Why in God’s green earth would she come back to this shit show if it wasn’t for FREE exposure?

Because of the fans and the constant reaffirmation of how wonderful she is in the eyes of some. SG or not, Bethenny needs that adoration to live. It's like oxygen to her. And Bravo gives her that season after season. Without the product though, she really doesn't have much of a storyline. No family or friends to film with, just the paid help. So she NEEDS SG to keep her "job" just like all the others. How she thinks she's above any of these other women is mind boggling . 

I'm also betting the cameras started rolling before Dennis was cold and next season has all the "exclusive footage".

[duddley]

42 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Just wondering where you are getting this from? I googled as I thought maybe the results of an autopsy had been published. It turns out that there wasn't an autopsy due to religious reasons. One did not have to be performed since there was no reason to believe the death resulted from a criminal act. 

I like that they closed the show with a picture of Dennis. I liked him on the show (even though he wasn't on a lot) and appreciate they acknowledged him in that manner. 

When the EMTs arrived Dennis told them he took oxy, vicodin and sleeping pills. Then he lost consciousness and passed away. 

Edited August 30, 2018 by duddley
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[Thumper]

Who is Cassandra Grey?  (I'm not doing Twitter or Instagram.)

I don't follow a lot of the commentary that is outside the show and this site. 

[ryebread]

46 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

"let's compare resumes in the current era!" So again she's age-shaming this woman! 

Imo, she's not age-shaming, here.

She's pointing out that she wants to compare resumes at this current time.  Yes, they both are HWs but beyond that, Carole isn't currently working.  There's no comparison between Bethenny's businesses and Carole's...donut deliveries?  

[bagger]

WHO Do any of these women really film with other than each other? I ask because the fact that bethenny doesn’t film with 20 different people leads to a whole lot of speculation that she has no friends at all.

dorinda: John (which she rarely lets on camera anymore), Hannah (once a season or so) and on one occasion her parents. Other than that I don’t recall anyone else.

ramona: Avery and her friends about once a season and her dermatologist/plastic surgeon whatever she is.

carole: I can’t remember anyone except heather  couple times this year. Her mother once in all her time on the show.

sonja: her facialist.

tinsley: her mother once a season and that friend of hers last season thatbhad the dog in the remote control car.

lu: her kids from time to time.

I’m asking because so much is made about Bethenny not filming with friends and that because she doesn’t it must mean she has no relationships. 

I am just sick of hearing how this is fact but isn’t it the same for the other women?

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[UsernameFatigue]

11 minutes ago, duddley said:

When the EMTs arrived Dennis told them he took oxy, vicodin and sleeping pills. Then he lost consciousness and passed away. 

Thanks - I must have read that and forgot. How sad that he was conscious when the EMTs arrived but they still were unable to save him. 

[thesupremediva1]

No one needs a medical degree to diagnose Bethenny as a narcissist and a liar. Her double-speak was on full display tonight.

Dr. Drake Ramoray could diagnose this woman. All you need are two eyes and one working ear.

Carole's career isn't up for debate. Stories written, Emmys won. It's not Carole's fault she's older than Bethenny and hustled a few decades ago. She doesn't have to get in the current decade to please Beth so Beth can "win." This is why B dislikes her so much. Carole just will not kowtow.

Edited August 30, 2018 by thesupremediva1

[ichbin]

26 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

Was Sonja there? And Tinsley? I didn't notice. 

Anyone remember The Sinatra Group skit from SNL?  Victoria Jackson and Mike Myers portrayed Eydie Gormé and Steve Lawrence as total sycophants to Frank Sinatra (played by Phil Hartman).  That was Sonja during the first two parts of this reunion.

Tinsley?  Who's Tinsley?