S10.E15: Wigging Out

[HunterHunted]

My cable went out last night and I wasn't able to watch until this morning. I read through the comments and expected a completely different episode. Bethenny was a cow the entire time.

• Tinsley's way of assigning rooms is superior because it eliminates choice and makes it completely random. Plus the girls get a gift, which placates them.
• The place they were staying looked quite nice even though the floors weren't that clean and it wasn't on a beach (FYI Bethenny, not everyone loves the beach or sand).
• Carole was defensive about red scarf Brian. However, Carole was actively trying to explain how insignificant her date with him was when Bethenny tried to turn it into AdamTom: Revenge of the Cheating Operator and another hill she was willing to die on just to embarrass Carole.
• Scott's flowers did look like a funeral arrangement. How can they have 365 blissful in love days when they've been broken up for a couple of months?
• Bethenny is in the midst of a custody fight because SHE STARTED IT! She decided to use her restraining order as a gambit to  push for full custody. This shit is a quagmire of her own making.
• I don't think Carole's dress is eye searingly horrible. It's not my style, but it's fine. I reserve that sentiment for Dorinda's gladiator sandals and dress. They really didn't go together. Clearly the editors thought so too because they have us multiple shots of the shoes.
• Gawd, Bethenny is being a cow.
• Ramona is obnoxious, but I sort of love that not a single service person in Colombia has acquiesced to her demands.
• It sucks that Bethenny accidentally ingested something with fish in it. It's scary to think that you might have to go to a hospital in a foreign country. However, I've only ever been sick enough to writhe on the floor twice in my life (a terrible case of food poisoning and the flu). Frankly a bed and a trashcan or a bucket is much better.

[Taralightner]

9 hours ago, Bronzedog said:

Why did I get the impression that Ramona didn't forget that Bethenny is allergic to fish?  Then, after the first incident, she puts her dirty fish dishes in front of Bethenny.  I just don't believe Ramona does  that stuff innocently.

Plus, Ramona says- as B takes the bite, “let me know what you think of the soup.”

The ONLY thing that has me second guessing is that Ramona is so self-absorbed, how would she remember the B is allergic to anything? 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

51 minutes ago, weaver said:

I kept thinking of Kelly when Bethenny had her breakdown, and was shouting at my screen, "Go to Sleep."  I love karma.  

THIS! Kelly wasn't as capable and organized an opponent as Carole who doesn't really give a shit. Kelly and Bethenny never got close. Bethenny and Carole did, and Carole knows what a lying, narc, hyper, needy POS Bethenny is and truly has slammed the door on all feelings toward her. I am enjoying it. I think 90% of Bethenny's panic attack is that she knows Carole knows where the bodies are buried and might spill what she knows about Bethenny getting Jason arrested and pursuing custody. 

2 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

My cable went out last night and I wasn't able to watch until this morning. I read through the comments and expected a completely different episode. Bethenny was a cow the entire time.

• Tinsley's way of assigning rooms is superior because it eliminates choice and makes it completely random. Plus the girls get a gift, which placates them.
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• Bethenny is in the midst of a custody fight because SHE STARTED IT! She decided to use her restraining order as a gambit to  push for full custody. This shit is a quagmire of her own making

I love Tinsley she is the real life Elle Woods and she entertains me. I think she's good on the inside. 

Yes that Bethenny started the custody she reaps what she sows then points the finger at EVERYONE else. I believe this is the pattern that caused the estrangement from her parents. If she doesn't figure it out her life is going to deteriorate quickly from here. Her money and privilege has shielded her from the consequences from her dysfuction junction thus far and the jig is up! She can fool her SM fans, but she cannot fool her body, her sanity or the courts as it turns out. 

When Bethenny said Brian was "running game" I thought she meant like literally he is a runner, as in marathon or 5K. 

[pieinmyeye]

1 hour ago, bosawks said:

Me too, for a second there I thought Tinsley might have won the Kentucky Derby.

Hahahahahaha!!

[Jel]

8 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

I know the B haters are just going to hate, so, whatever, but I thought Carole came out looking like the bigger asshole here.

They were both being ridiculous about Snoopy, though Carole pretending she didn't know who he was when the matchmaker set up a date, was pathetic considering last week's THs. And Bethany was clearly insulted that some guy who went after her, just went to the next person on the list. Gross.

It's funny, everyone said B "brought out" C's mean girl, but Carole is clearly, CLEARLY a mean girl on her own, in a colder way than B. After seeing her in action this year, and a preview of her complete lack of sympathy for B crying, former friend or not, Carole is a piece of work.

Bethany owning to being jealous of Tinsley was funny. I'm with her there.

That's spot on, Shawnalanne. And it's like once Carole perceives a slight (real or imagined, and rightly or wrongly) she feels she now has carte blanche to go after the person, in perpetuity.  She also doesn't seem to feel the need to offer an explanation -- perhaps assuming the person knows what they did and did it to intentionally hurt her.  I think the adult thing to do is to officially end the friendship, not just emotionally ghost someone because you're pissed. It seems that is triggering Bethenny's abandonment issues.

The coldness has been going on for a while (personally, not a fan of that), but I saw contempt for Bethenny in Carole this episode.  I believe Bethenny had much more invested emotionally in Carole than Carole did in her. 

[esco1822]

5 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

Maybe they've seen Romancing the Stone a hundred times like me.  Although I think "Joan" pronounced it Carta-hey-nuh.

"Is this the bus to Cartagena?"

[Ms Blue Jay]

26 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

My cable went out last night and I wasn't able to watch until this morning. I read through the comments and expected a completely different episode. Bethenny was a cow the entire time.

• Tinsley's way of assigning rooms is superior because it eliminates choice and makes it completely random. Plus the girls get a gift, which placates them.

I'm sorry, I have to speak up.  I can't deal with Tinsley being labelled a genius for the damn room-choosing, LOL!

It's not "completely random" in my opinion.  When the women went to each room, how was it decided which woman would open her Tiffany's box?  And if it was THAT easy to choose THAT order, it would have been just as easy to randomly choose rooms.

I guess the "genius" of Tinsley's plan is that she WAS doing a choosing of an order of women, when it came to who would open the box in what order, and she used the opening of the boxes as a way to distract the women from THAT.

But when I analyze it, I find it needlessly overcomplicated.  

[MerryMary]

Bethenny needs to take a chill pill.  Watching Carole dish it back at Bethenny is somehow rewarding, although I don't like either one of them very much.  So... next week's episode doesn't feature the boat ride from hell?  This trip is a three-parter?  It's too stretched out.  Some serious fashion missteps in this episode but that makes for interesting tv.

[Ms Blue Jay]

35 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

It sucks that Bethenny accidentally ingested something with fish in it. It's scary to think that you might have to go to a hospital in a foreign country. However, I've only ever been sick enough to writhe on the floor twice in my life (a terrible case of food poisoning and the flu). Frankly a bed and a trashcan or a bucket is much better.

A lot of things I can't eat - milk, raisins, soy, eggs for example.  And there are things I can eat SOME of, but can't go above a certain limit.  I try very, very hard to keep track of what I eat, but when everyone doesn't speak the same language, it's hard.  Even worse, some people lie or make mistakes when they tell you ingredients.  I had a coffee place say they were using lactose free milk, but then they didn't (since that experience, I've never trusted a coffee shop to do it again.)  Some people really don't believe I have the food intolerances I do.  Some people think I can just "get over it" or I'm exaggerating.  Some people are obsessed with pushing their food onto you at work, and you have to say No a million times.  And, people often develop these food intolerances in adulthood, so I spent 18 years being able to eat whatever, and it was hard to get used to the change. Anyways, I've been sick like this many times.

Edited July 19, 2018 by Ms Blue Jay

[weaver]

14 minutes ago, Ms Blue Jay said:

I'm sorry, I have to speak up.  I can't deal with Tinsley being labelled a genius for the damn room-choosing, LOL!

It's not "completely random" in my opinion.  When the women went to each room, how was it decided which woman would open her Tiffany's box?  And if it was THAT easy to choose THAT order, it would have been just as easy to randomly choose rooms.

I guess the "genius" of Tinsley's plan is that she WAS doing a choosing of an order of women, when it came to who would open the box in what order, and she used the opening of the boxes as a way to distract the women from THAT.

But when I analyze it, I find it needlessly overcomplicated.  

Agree.  I didn't even understand the way they used the Tiffany boxes to select the rooms, frankly.  

[Mozelle]

1 hour ago, AttackTurtle said:

I’m sorry, there is no comparison between Scary Island Kelly and Columbia Bethenny.  Kelly went after Bethenny for everything from the very recent death of her father to her company....and it wasn’t just Scary Island.  Kelly had it out for Bethenny from her very first episode.

Bethenny will always be my favorite housewife.  This was not a good episode for her, but she knew going there that she was on the outs with Dorinda and Carole.  She’d said as much in her eattlier episodes. She cane there in defensive mode and Carole’s response to her about red scarf guy was cutting/nasty.  And I hope Carole feels like an ass when she sees that he was texting Bethenny non-stop.   I do think she thought she had a real friendship with Carole.  I remember seeing pics of Carole with her CA celebrity friends at Christmas Time and all I could think was that Carol was a total poser.  She’s in her mid-50’s and she was posting group photos with her BFF’s like a middle schooler.

Bethenny has never pretended to be something she’s not.  She’s tightly wound, emotional, crazy, funny, vulnerable and has a big heart.  I think she’s totally in love with Dennis and the fact that he can’t be committed to her probably feels awful...and I wish he could, because I like what I see in those two.  

And I really hope that Carole/Ramona/Dorinda understands that love her/hate her this show is not the same without Bethenny.

I keep trying to understand what's wrong with Carole taking pictures and posting them to her IG when all of these women do it? They all post group photos on their social media, but Carole having real friends who like hanging out with her and taking pix to commemorate their time together is poser behavior?

42 minutes ago, HunterHunted said:

My cable went out last night and I wasn't able to watch until this morning. I read through the comments and expected a completely different episode. Bethenny was a cow the entire time.

• Tinsley's way of assigning rooms is superior because it eliminates choice and makes it completely random. Plus the girls get a gift, which placates them.
• The place they were staying looked quite nice even though the floors weren't that clean and it wasn't on a beach (FYI Bethenny, not everyone loves the beach or sand).
• Carole was defensive about red scarf Brian. However, Carole was actively trying to explain how insignificant her date with him was when Bethenny tried to turn it into AdamTom: Revenge of the Cheating Operator and another hill she was willing to die on just to embarrass Carole.
• Scott's flowers did look like a funeral arrangement. How can they have 365 blissful in love days when they've been broken up for a couple of months?
• Bethenny is in the midst of a custody fight because SHE STARTED IT! She decided to use her restraining order as a gambit to  push for full custody. This shit is a quagmire of her own making.
• I don't think Carole's dress is eye searingly horrible. It's not my style, but it's fine. I reserve that sentiment for Dorinda's gladiator sandals and dress. They really didn't go together. Clearly the editors thought so too because they have us multiple shots of the shoes.
• Gawd, Bethenny is being a cow.
• Ramona is obnoxious, but I sort of love that not a single service person in Colombia has acquiesced to her demands.
• It sucks that Bethenny accidentally ingested something with fish in it. It's scary to think that you might have to go to a hospital in a foreign country. However, I've only ever been sick enough to writhe on the floor twice in my life (a terrible case of food poisoning and the flu). Frankly a bed and a trashcan or a bucket is much better.

Right. Because Bethenny was already gearing up for a fight, so anything Carole said at that dinner was going to be picked apart by Bethenny. Carole mentioning that Bethenny and Brian were friends, that they had gone out, was apparently beyond the pale, even though Bethenny had mentioned in her TH in the previous episode that they'd had lunch together. 

What's also ridiculous about Bethenny trying to liken Brian to Tom, acting as though she has a radar out for "men like them" and steers clear, is that Bethenny has historically jumped right in with questionable men herself, even most recently with Dennis. So she can get off that high horse. 

33 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

THIS! Kelly wasn't as capable and organized an opponent as Carole who doesn't really give a shit. Kelly and Bethenny never got close. Bethenny and Carole did, and Carole knows what a lying, narc, hyper, needy POS Bethenny is and truly has slammed the door on all feelings toward her. I am enjoying it. I think 90% of Bethenny's panic attack is that she knows Carole knows where the bodies are buried and might spill what she knows about Bethenny getting Jason arrested and pursuing custody. 

I love Tinsley she is the real life Elle Woods and she entertains me. I think she's good on the inside. 

Yes that Bethenny started the custody she reaps what she sows then points the finger at EVERYONE else. I believe this is the pattern that caused the estrangement from her parents. If she doesn't figure it out her life is going to deteriorate quickly from here. Her money and privilege has shielded her from the consequences from her dysfuction junction thus far and the jig is up! She can fool her SM fans, but she cannot fool her body, her sanity or the courts as it turns out. 

When Bethenny said Brian was "running game" I thought she meant like literally he is a runner, as in marathon or 5K. 

See, I don't think that's the case. I think that Bethenny realized--post-Christmas, especially--that whatever friendship she had with Carole was completely done and that Carole has the ability to slip someone back into the "acquaintance" spot fairly easily. I get the sense that Bethenny wanted Carole to be devastated over their break up the way that Jill was devastated over the break up with Bethenny. Carole isn't that woman. And because Carole is living her life still having fun and not acting as though Bethenny sharing the same airspace as her is going to ruin her day, week, month, year, entire life, Bethenny can't cope. She wants Carole to be as devastated as she is (so then she can turn around and berate Carole for being devastated), and Carole's not playing that game.

Edited July 19, 2018 by Mozelle

[weaver]

33 minutes ago, Alonzo Mosely FBI said:

THIS! Kelly wasn't as capable and organized an opponent as Carole who doesn't really give a shit. Kelly and Bethenny never got close. Bethenny and Carole did, and Carole knows what a lying, narc, hyper, needy POS Bethenny is and truly has slammed the door on all feelings toward her. I am enjoying it. I think 90% of Bethenny's panic attack is that she knows Carole knows where the bodies are buried and might spill what she knows about Bethenny getting Jason arrested and pursuing custody. 

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I agree.  Kelly could not handle the group emotionally because of whatever evident issues she has.    Her breakdown was real, and should have been recognized as such.  As recently as two years ago B was hawking a t shirt saying "go to sleep."  This was years after the actual incident and  I thought it was unnecessarily cruel.  But that's B, unnecessarily cruel.

I remember Bethenny trying to take on Heather from day one.  Maybe she was jealous of Heather and Carole's relationship.  

Carole doesn't give a damn and its wonderful to see.

[hoodooznoodooz]

On 7/19/2018 at 9:22 AM, Ms Blue Jay said:

I'm sorry, I have to speak up.  I can't deal with Tinsley being labelled a genius for the damn room-choosing, LOL!

It's not "completely random" in my opinion.  When the women went to each room, how was it decided which woman would open her Tiffany's box?  And if it was THAT easy to choose THAT order, it would have been just as easy to randomly choose rooms.

I guess the "genius" of Tinsley's plan is that she WAS doing a choosing of an order of women, when it came to who would open the box in what order, and she used the opening of the boxes as a way to distract the women from THAT.

But when I analyze it, I find it needlessly overcomplicated.  

@HunterHunted never said that Tinsley was a genius, just that her approach was superior.

rewatched: Ramona considered it ingenious (and pronounced ingenious correctly).

Edited July 20, 2018 by hoodooznoodooz

[esco1822]

With all of the complaining about how Carole isn't over Adam, wants to marry him, makes up stories about how much he loves her, talks about him all the time--you'd think people would appreciate that she went out with someone else.  She went out with a guy, she had a good time, she was happy he wanted to see her again. She didn't know he had been texting Bethenny non-stop so I don't really see the problem. If now, after she knows that he was "running game" she continues to defend him, that's another story but she's already said "it's not that deep." So it's not remotely a Lu and Tom situation. She's not in love with the guy, planning a wedding and a life with him and defending his documented instances of cheating. She's defending her understanding that he really liked her after one lunch. She enjoyed the attention and conversation from a guy who was not Adam. If B was coming from a place of concern for her friend getting played, she'd have come at this conversation in an entirely different way. Instead we see her complain in a TH that Carole knew she knew him and didn't tell her about the date and then get completely offended when Carole called him her friend. We see her again try to age-shame Carole for using the word "deep" like a 25 year old while also age-shaming the girls for not being young and hip enough to understand her "rolling with my snowmies" sweatshirt. She is just exhausting and so are her "rules" for people she spends time with. So why do we wonder why people don't want to spend time with her???  

[bichonblitz]

11 hours ago, ChitChat said:

You could tell by the look on their faces how exhausted they were with dealing with her never ending "woe is me, the sky is falling on me" routine.   How telling that she got up and walked away after Tinsley got the flowers and bracelet from Scott.  At least she admitted she was jealous.  But, damn, Bethenny.  You're the millionaire with your own company.  Why the eff are you jealous of anybody else?  

 

It's so sad to me that she has it all and yet is more miserable than she has ever been. Is Bethenny having problems with Dennis? It must be the reason for her jealousy over Tinsley and Scott. She needs intensive therapy. 

 

11 hours ago, Mozelle said:

No one is isolating Bethenny. Out of the airport, Bethenny was going on about how she didn't want to be around Carole or Dorinda.

I agree. I also didn't see anybody going all "mean girl" on her as some seem to think. It looked to me like the other women are pretty much sick of her, she see's it and it's pissing her off. 

[Gem 10]

11 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

Then flop onto the bed with a waste can or any other receptacle that can be thrown away.

Between the booze, antihistamines, and wrenching, she was too weak to walk and probably just sunk down.  A dirty floor isn’t even thought of at that point.  Better the floor than a cracked head.

[hoodooznoodooz]

There’s a very good chance that, in 10-15 years, Bryn will feel about Beth exactly the way Beth feels about Bernadette. 

[Jel]

2 minutes ago, esco1822 said:

With all of the complaining about how Carole isn't over Adam, wants to marry him, makes up stories about how much he loves her, talks about him all the time--you'd think people would appreciate that she went out with someone else.  She went out with a guy, she had a good time, she was happy he wanted to see her again. She didn't know he had been texting Bethenny non-stop so I don't really see the problem. If now, after she knows that he was "running game" she continues to defend him, that's another story but she's already said "it's not that deep." So it's not remotely a Lu and Tom situation. She's not in love with the guy, planning a wedding and a life with him and defending his documented instances of cheating. She's defending her understanding that he really liked her after one lunch. She enjoyed the attention and conversation from a guy who was not Adam. If B was coming from a place of concern for her friend getting played, she'd have come at this conversation in an entirely different way. Instead we see her complain in a TH that Carole knew she knew him and didn't tell her about the date and then get completely offended when Carole called him her friend. We see her again try to age-shame Carole for using the word "deep" like a 25 year old while also age-shaming the girls for not being young and hip enough to understand her "rolling with my snowmies" sweatshirt. She is just exhausting and so are her "rules" for people she spends time with. So why do we wonder why people don't want to spend time with her???  

I like Bethenny and I don't think she was coming from a place of concern re: Carole and Red Scarf. It seemed plain that Bethenny was trying her version of the high road by not saying anything like he'd been texting me, said he was there to see me, etc, but her high road ain't that high. 

To my eyes, Carole appeared smug, like she was very pleased with her (incorrect) assumption that the guy was so taken with her, over all the others!  (If he was so taken why didn't he find three minutes at the event, instead of after the fact-ing asking the event planner for her number, but whatever). After the Bethenny plan fails, he goes for plan B Carole. I don't know what was going on in the guy's head, but on the surface it does look like he's gaming. (To me anyway).

It broke one of my Jel rules of human interactions -- if you're going to be smug, then for the love of mike, make sure you actually have something to be smug about. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

5 minutes ago, bichonblitz said:

It's so sad to me that she has it all and yet is more miserable than she has ever been. Is Bethenny having problems with Dennis? It must be the reason for her jealousy over Tinsley and Scott. She needs intensive therapy. 

 

I agree. I also didn't see anybody going all "mean girl" on her as some seem to think. It looked to me like the other women are pretty much sick of her, she see's it and it's pissing her off. 

It’s possible that Beth, 20 years ago, thought that all she needed was success, money, a child and a relationship with a man. That would make her happy!!!

And now she has it.

And she’s still so miserable.

Because she is still Beth.

[bichonblitz]

26 minutes ago, weaver said:

I remember Bethenny trying to take on Heather from day one

She was also horrible to Kristin and Jules from day one. I could never figure out what her problem was with them. Two beautiful, sweet women. Oh, I just figured it out. 

[islandgal140]

OMG, why is it that when Carole was pushing Ramona down the street in the wheelchair I immediately thought of the scene in "What ever happened to Baby Jane" when Baby Jane pushed wheelchair bound Blanche down the stairs? Wishful thinking?

I liked Tinsley's room choice method. Hell, I love anything that prevents Ramona and Sonja usual asshole methods of trying to get the best room for themselves. If Ramona had tried that shit this time around, I would not have objected to one of the girls "sweeping the leg" Cobra Kai style. 

I loved the shade of green of Carole's earring but there was just too much of it. As for the outfit, not a fan but if you can afford it and have the body for it and it makes you feel good and sexy - you do you. My only real objection to it is I think Carole always chooses the wrong venue. This look is more suited for maybe a Fashion Week event in NYC or Paris, Met gala, maybe a fancy avante garde art exhibit or a more edgy awards show like the Grammys or MTV awards but for a night out with the girls on vacay? Just too much.  Same with the body tattoo suit. 

 

1 hour ago, Sharonana said:

It's interesting to me how everyone perceives the Carole/Bethenny "friendship" or what is left of it. There is much conjecture and speculation on our parts. We can't know what goes on behind the scenes, but of course we all have our opinions. ;) It's either team Carole or team Bethenny without much in between. I am not team Bethenny. She is so exhausting and exasperating. Talk about smug! I couldn't be around someone like that. I think Carole finally saw the real Bethenny. (just my oh so humble opinion) Carole didn't like what she was seeing and is trying to distance herself. I totally understand this as it's happened to me in the past few years. Some people just suck the life out of you with their constant neediness. Bethenny berates Carole for silly things which is so immature. She age shames her and makes fun of what she wears. I have friends that wear things of a questionable nature. I don't put them down for it. If it makes them feel good, then more power to them. If I looked as good as Carole, I'd probably wear some of the things she does too. I don't know...think I'm ready for Bethenny to move on from this franchise. She is taking the fun out of it.

I am team no one. Hell, I am the bitch enjoying this fallout. Yup, I am that bitch! Knowing B, I knew it was only a matter of time and I have been anticipating this since they went all Gruesome Twosome many seasons ago. My only surprise is how nonchalant and blase Carole appears to be about the fallout. I think some part of B is upset that Carole is 'so cool' about it and managing to appear relaxed and enjoy herself while B is marinating in a misery partly of her own making, hence B being stuck on the whole 'it is not that serious' statement Carole made. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

On 7/19/2018 at 10:20 AM, islandgal140 said:

OMG, why is it that when Carole was pushing Ramona down the street in the wheelchair I immediately thought of the scene in "What ever happened to Baby Jane" when Baby Jane pushed wheelchair bound Blanche down the stairs? Wishful thinking?

I liked Tinsley's room choice method. Hell, I love anything that prevents Ramona and Sonja usual asshole methods of trying to get the best room for themselves. If Ramona had tried that shit this time around, I would not have objected to one of the girls "sweeping the leg" Cobra Kai style. 

I loved the shade of green of Carole's earring but there was just too much of it. As for the outfit, not a fan but if you can afford it and have the body for it and it makes you feel good and sexy - you do you. My only real objection to it is I think Carole always chooses the wrong venue. This look is more suited for maybe a Fashion Week event in NYC or Paris, Met gala, maybe a fancy avante garde art exhibit or a more edgy awards show like the Grammys or MTV awards but for a night out with the girls on vacay? Just too much.  Same with the body tattoo suit. 

 

I am team no one. Hell, I am the bitch enjoying this fallout. Yup, I am that bitch! Knowing B, I knew it was only a matter of time and I have been anticipating this since they went all Gruesome Twosome many seasons ago. My only surprise is how nonchalant and blase Carole appears to be about the fallout. I think some part of B is upset that Carole is 'so cool' about it and managing to appear relaxed and enjoy herself while B is marinating in a misery partly of her own making, hence B being stuck on the whole 'it is not that serious' statement Carole made. 

I think it’s because Carole has many real friends. Beth has Teri in Florida. 

Edited July 21, 2018 by hoodooznoodooz

[Mozelle]

8 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

It’s possible that Beth, 20 years ago, thought that all she needed was success, money, a child and a relationship with a man. That would make her happy!!!

And now she has it.

And she’s still so miserable.

Because she is still Beth.

"No matter where you go, there you are."

[ShawnaLanne]

1 hour ago, Jel said:

That's spot on, Shawnalanne. And it's like once Carole perceives a slight (real or imagined, and rightly or wrongly) she feels she now has carte blanche to go after the person, in perpetuity.  She also doesn't seem to feel the need to offer an explanation -- perhaps assuming the person knows what they did and did it to intentionally hurt her.  I think the adult thing to do is to officially end the friendship, not just emotionally ghost someone because you're pissed. It seems that is triggering Bethenny's abandonment issues.

The coldness has been going on for a while (personally, not a fan of that), but I saw contempt for Bethenny in Carole this episode.  I believe Bethenny had much more invested emotionally in Carole than Carole did in her. 

It reminds me of her issue with Lu. At first I was team Carole all the way, I mean for anyone to call someone a pedophile for dating a man in their 20s is ridiculous, but for Lu to do so, when she is so free sexually age wise, marriage wise etc. .., is  beyond believable. But four years later and Carole still seemed to feel the rage as fresh as if it just happened, and she sunk as low as ever with Lu until recently when according to Carole, Lu felt humility, which is an entire other issue. This thing with B seems to be once again about Adam, and her feeling embarrassed by B calling him an operator, which objectively he is coming across as.

As far as the contempt goes, I think she feels it for every other woman on the show. B's breakdown and their fight gives her an excuse to express it.

Edited July 19, 2018 by ShawnaLanne

[thesupremediva1]

I think we've come full circle: Bethenny is the Kelly Bensimone of this trip. I'm waiting for her to flip out about someone attacking her in the press, talking about her kids, and maybe before it all ends she'll say she had nightmares because she thinks someone wants to stab her. "Satchels of gold!" Get that woman a bag of Haribos and call it a day.

Beth's venom (excellent term for it, Writer Girl) was on full display. Guess Satan Andy and the editing couldn't protect her this year. She was, as always, nasty AF to and about Ramona. Even in her TH she insinuated her room-choosing game was better than Tinsley's - guess she's sour that Tins's had Tiffany and was clearly better. Then she, of course, went around to every ho but Tins griping about how she needs a nice hotel and the place isn't up to par. I might have a problem with the cleanliness, sure, but B was lying on the bathroom floor and the rest of the house was charming and lovely. Get over yourself, B. Just because it's not a SkinnyGirl trip and you didn't plan it doesn't mean everyone can't have a nice time.

Ultra hypocritical: The SCREECH-SERMON she gave Ramona last year about being a "gavon animal" and ungrateful and therapizing her up and down for her bad behavior about the Mexico rooms, when - cut to this year - Beth is ten times worse than Ramona! She wasn't just bitching about her room. She was bitching about the house, the view, the company, etc. She pedantically told Ramona to look around and be grateful. You should try it  some time, B, when you're not running the show (BGrateful?).

Beth was the one who couldn't hold her tongue about the guy she doesn't want and dove on Carole. If I were Carole, after the litany of shit B had said about her and Adam, I'd have tossed a drink at her and that white dress. And isn't this the second time Beth has taken a dig at Carole about her age? No wonder Beth put Aviva on the show - they have the same mean-girl playbook.

Beth has one set of rules for her and one set for everyone else. She doesn't have conversations - she doles out orders, proclamations, and punishments. Everything she says is gospel. Ro was right about it, and I'm happy to see Carole and Dorinda calling her on it. Bethenny speaks to Dorinda like she's her staff - constantly telling her how she must interact with her and treat her. Dorinda used to take it seriously; now she's just nodding with a blank face until she can get away from the harpie shrew. She's learned what many others know: You can never please Bethenny unless you're totally subservient to her at all times.

Sonja and Bethenny get along now out of convenience, but I think part of the reason for Beth is that she can offload SG jeans on Sonja and have an excuse to say, on camera, that everything is too big for her. Cripes, that woman is skin and bones. She must be under great stress or something because she doesn't look healthy at all. I'd be concerned for her if she didn't purposely try to humiliate and poke at Jules.

Dorinda is a shit-stirrer, sure, but she correctly told Bethenny that IT'S NOT GOSSIPING WHEN EVERYONE KNOWS ABOUT IT. If you want to bitch to everyone within earshot, how do you think Tins isn't going to find out? Bethenny likes to go at Dorinda because, when Dorinda drinks, she tells B some hard truths. She "sees" Beth, I think, and that is why B dislikes her now. Beth also feels she can safely label Dorinda a drunk, and does so at all times now, so nothing Dorinda says can stick to her. It's sick.

I agree with everyone who thinks B is having a bloody meltdown over the fact that the friendship with Carole looks dead and Beth is scared she'll spill some dark stuff. 

How does anyone with a serious food allergy not speak to kitchen staff before a meal? That makes no sense at all.

Tins's roses transported us to an Italian funeral. That might have been more fun than what we saw last night. 

Edited July 19, 2018 by thesupremediva1

[missyb]

12 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Someone find out how I can get Bethenny's white dress she wore to dinner...I covet that dress.

And I loved LuAnns booties.

[rhys]

How did the room selection work? I guess i wasn't able to follow along.

[ryebread]

We need a new dick, after Tom and Harry.

Is Bravo is ramping up Red Scarf to be the new Tom?  

[RedInk]

I'm only a casual show-watcher, but I get angry watching Bethenny. I wish I didn't! I shouldn't care! And they're ALL really such assholes, but I do cringe  and recoil at her emotional scenes.

She mocks and belittles and says cruel things that I wouldn't dream of saying to my worst enemy, and when the situation gets icy - like it naturally will - she has a balls-to-the-wall tantrum/tirade or a breakdown because she cannot authentically work through her issues with someone and accept any culpability. Everything is excused. Ugly things said during a tirade have to be forgiven later because she was going through so much in her life. And breakdowns immediately bring up all unrelated drama and (as she is fond of saying, "torture") in her life so that anyone else will look like a POS for stepping up to her. I mean rolling on the floor, full-body sobbing. You know who isn't going through some bad shit? Nobody! Nobody is actually her vision of Tinsley on a yacht without a care in the world. Thinking your drama is premium and gives you a free pass is arrested emotional development and it's exhausting. And I'm not a hater & agree that when she's funny, she brings a lot to the show. So there. 

Edited July 19, 2018 by RedInk

[Lady of nod]

8 hours ago, breezy424 said:

Yikes.   Again.   The parent who gives birth has precedent?  As much as I get the whole experience and of  pregnancny and giving birth, been there and done that, I just can't discredit the other fifty percent.  I'm done with this.

Been there done that too. And went through an ugly divorce. But never kept my child from visiting his father - until he tried for full custody. He lost, but still had visitation.  Now I don't know the particulars of B's "custody  battle". In the courts, as I understand it, this can also refer to visitation. As in shared custody. Meaning anything from 50-50, to one parent being the primary, with the other having time too. My son has been in a "custody battle" for 4 years. Having to spend alot of money(which he doesn't really have) just to get more visitation time. It drags on and on and is a constant source of stress for all involved. But here's the thing. Children need stability and calm. And they need two parents, The courts are coming around to realizing this. Not only do fathers have rights, but the child has a right to have a father. 

The fact that B is even on this show exhibiting her unstable behavior when she is in this battle mystifies me. She is supplying Jason with lots of ammo. I firmly believe she never really loved him. She wanted a child and a spin off reality show. She should have used a sperm bank. I don't think she ever loved anyone but herself, and Brynn. But she puts her own ego ahead of Brynn too. Surely she watches the show. How can she not see that she comes off as being mentally unstable? 

[Coffeewinewater]

12 hours ago, mbaywife123 said:

Good grief in the preview here comes Carole again in yet another cringeworthy (white) monstrosity. Does this woman not own a mirror?

What happened to all the jeans and t -shirts she used to wear? Did Adam take them ? I know some have questioned her fashion sense but lately it's been over the top ugly.

Eta: I know she wouldn't be wearing jeans a t shirt to dinner. But some simple and pretty would be welcome. 

Edited July 19, 2018 by Coffeewinewater

[janie2002]

I didn't think Carole was being smug, I thought she was being giddy about a new date. The ladies were drilling her over it and then B got super defensive. B is the one that seemed to want to embarrass Carole, she made it know he was running game, and tom2.0. 

What a way to make someone you miss feel like shit. Then she is crying over her friendship? I actually think its funny Carole is just breezing on by, giving her very little attention and B is freaking out. Plus constantly attacking Carole acting younger than she is, while her catch phrase is get off my jock? talk about dated ass slang.

I think B is so used to being right she feels that she everyone must give in to her train of thought, and it's not happening with Carole. In ramonas words on that bridge she pushes everyone away and pushed Carole away.

[Giselle]

In that dress Carol looked like Baby Jane rolling Joan Crawford around in a wheelchair. 

[weaver]

I think Bethenny lost a lot of clout when her show with Fredrik went totally south.  Fredrik even said he probably wouldn't work with her again.  So the perceived influence Bethenny had with Bravo and maybe even Andy is I think gone.  This frees up the other women to treat B just like one of the castmates, not someone with power and casting influence.   Carole I think despises Bethenny and is clever enough to act in the way she knows will piss off Bethenny the most.   

I enjoy seeing Carole's outfits.  I think they look ridiculous on her, but it's fun to see them.  In the beginning, I think her edgy wardrobe was more organically achieved; she wore what was in her wardrobe.  Didn't she own vintage Ossie Clark?  Now I think it is quite calculated to look as eccentric as possible.  Loved the Gloria Swanson turban and 50's bathing suit outfit.  Did they say outfit number one was Alaia?  

[janie2002]

1 hour ago, esco1822 said:

With all of the complaining about how Carole isn't over Adam, wants to marry him, makes up stories about how much he loves her, talks about him all the time--you'd think people would appreciate that she went out with someone else.  She went out with a guy, she had a good time, she was happy he wanted to see her again. She didn't know he had been texting Bethenny non-stop so I don't really see the problem. If now, after she knows that he was "running game" she continues to defend him, that's another story but she's already said "it's not that deep." So it's not remotely a Lu and Tom situation. She's not in love with the guy, planning a wedding and a life with him and defending his documented instances of cheating. She's defending her understanding that he really liked her after one lunch. She enjoyed the attention and conversation from a guy who was not Adam. If B was coming from a place of concern for her friend getting played, she'd have come at this conversation in an entirely different way. Instead we see her complain in a TH that Carole knew she knew him and didn't tell her about the date and then get completely offended when Carole called him her friend. We see her again try to age-shame Carole for using the word "deep" like a 25 year old while also age-shaming the girls for not being young and hip enough to understand her "rolling with my snowmies" sweatshirt. She is just exhausting and so are her "rules" for people she spends time with. So why do we wonder why people don't want to spend time with her???  

I completely agree, she didn't know he had texted B. She was taken by the attention he gave her. What's the big effing deal. NOPE B had to embarrass her.

I do think B is exhausting, her friendship is so full of rules. I rather hang out with Tins and have fun and have her buy me gifts lol

[bichonblitz]

Carole must be going through a mid-life crisis. She has never dressed so badly and tried so hard to look young and edgy. It all started when Adam dumped her and reduced her to a booty call. I think that break up really messed with her head. 

[Coffeewinewater]

4 minutes ago, weaver said:

I think Bethenny lost a lot of clout when her show with Fredrik went totally south.  Fredrik even said he probably wouldn't work with her again.  So the perceived influence Bethenny had with Bravo and maybe even Andy is I think gone.  This frees up the other women to treat B just like one of the castmates, not someone with power and casting influence.   Carole I think despises Bethenny and is clever enough to act in the way she knows will piss off Bethenny the most.   

I enjoy seeing Carole's outfits.  I think they look ridiculous on her, but it's fun to see them.  In the beginning, I think her edgy wardrobe was more organically achieved; she wore what was in her wardrobe.  Didn't she own vintage Ossie Clark?  Now I think it is quite calculated to look as eccentric as possible.  Loved the Gloria Swanson turban and 50's bathing suit outfit.  Did they say outfit number one was Alaia?  

Wow, I didn't know that show hadn't done well. Never watched.

I do think it's funny that Carole seems so easy breezy about Bethany, while B seems to being losing her mind over the friendship ending.  I have no dog in the fight, both have annoyed me and made me laugh at different times. 

[Sun-Bun]

2 hours ago, Sharonana said:

I couldn't be around someone like that. I think Carole finally saw the real Bethenny. (just my oh so humble opinion) Carole didn't like what she was seeing and is trying to distance herself. I totally understand this as it's happened to me in the past few years. Some people just suck the life out of you with their constant neediness.

THIS. I was the Carole of a similar situation, after dealing with the Bethenny-like histrionics of a longtime bestie of over 10 years. Even took her on a trip with my family and she acted exactly the same as Beth is: crying randomly, ready to attack anyone, complaining about the accommodations/food, etc....she was always just as exhausting, abrasive and as needy as Beth((only without a millions-making career)). I finally had to cooly step aside a’la Carole because her negativity became too much. But I’m still polite to her and live my life too if we happen to bump into each other at events or gatherings—-that’s just being a mature adult. 

Carole obviously has her valid reasons for backing away from Bethenny and I think we’re seeing it for ourselves via Beth’s wild behavior on this vacay. Carole’s has it with her but she isn’t going to let Beth’s antics prevent her from enjoying the trip, which I can respect. I don’t get the vibe that she’s being smug or cold to Bethenny either; I just think she’s keeping a polite distance, standing up for herself when she’s being baited, and staying calm just to make the trip go smoothly. 

It’s usually much easier to disengage than to battle, after all. But they’ll obviously pow-wow over it eventually, because that’s Real Housewives rationale for you.

Also, I actually liked Carole’S crazy outfit(maybe if the green earring were a bit less poofy if wouldn’t have looked as arresting), ditto Tinsley’s! They’re having fun and feeling their fashion moments; I can appreciate that. 

On the flip side, I didn’t like Luanne’s entire be-wigged look AT ALL—sorry, I thought she looked like a drag queen, especially while lumbering around the city streets. 

Lu still wins the award for ‘best travel buddy’ to me though; even while not even drinking and dealing with Beth’s mopey ass, that gal can still party and encourages everyone to just go out, keep shopping and have some fun.

 

Ramona isn’t acting like a bossy bitch on the group vacation, wow!! Yeah, she must be heavily medicated—-we’ve yet to ever see her be so calm and easygoing on one of these trips.

I can’t help but love Tinsley; the gal is so thoughtful and made a big point to make sure their trip started off running smoothly. And now I wanna be her friend just for all her generous gifts...even Sonja couldn’t talk shit about her.

Dorinda clomping around in her gladiator sandals, ugh...couldn’t she have found some cute flats/appropriate sandals before they left??

[Mozelle]

13 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Someone find out how I can get Bethenny's white dress she wore to dinner...I covet that dress.

I couldn't find the exact dress, but I do recall Tinsley proclaiming it an Alaïa ("An A-what-uh?" -- robber, Clueless). I've found these, instead, on

• Net-a-Porter
• Yoox / Yoox
• Shopstyle
• The Real Real

Edited July 19, 2018 by Mozelle

[bichonblitz]

41 minutes ago, rhys said:

How did the room selection work? I guess i wasn't able to follow along.

I wasn't able to follow that, either. They all walk in to a room with their Tiffany blue boxes, only one of them gets to open the box and the name is on the necklace gets the room? I must be missing something. Whatever the game was, they all gave Tinsley great accolades for thinking it up! I can't help it, I like Tinsley. She's a fun girl, a nice girl. Especially compared to Bethenny. Tins is sunshine and Beth is the big dark rain cloud hovering and waiting to ruin everybody's good mood. 

[TV Diva Queen]

Wow, that's alot to catch up on.....here's my random thoughts"

 - Ramona having the bodega employee put her Ace Bandage on?  Don't ever change Ro. 

 - When B said she was jealous of Tinsely, someone upthread posted for Beth to go ahead and do it.  She can't, she runs a business and has a child, neither of which Tins has.  

 - I think the Artichoke pizza guy owns the Artichoke pizza mini chain in NYC.  Right?  (The vodka sauce pizza there is to die for)

 - Luanne looked fabulous as Sofia Vegarra, and in my opinion nothing like a linebaker.  She's got a fabulous figure with the curves in the right places, none of the current NYHW's come close to her.  

 - That house was nasty and grimy (like B said and evidence by Lu's feet) and I agree with the poster that thought even Tins hated it.

 - Cute little Sonja getting a check off on her bucket list.  lolololo

[AnnA]

3 hours ago, ChitChat said:

I respectfully disagree.  I had a co-worker who would be fine when she walked in the door each morning, then by the morning meeting she worked herself into a crying breakdown of what was going on in her life. 

OK  but that doesn't mean it can't "just happen" to someone too.

[Giselle]

This episode should have been titled "Its All About Bethany"

God what a black hole of emotional need. The fun of the trip just pulled down that dark Frankel drain.

[Ki-in]

13 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Someone find out how I can get Bethenny's white dress she wore to dinner...I covet that dress.

https://www.bigblondehair.com/

 This is a good place to try

Edited July 19, 2018 by Ki-in

[esco1822]

15 minutes ago, TV Diva Queen said:

I think the Artichoke pizza guy owns the Artichoke pizza mini chain in NYC.  Right? 

I thought he was implying that too so I looked up the owners and he's not one of them. I LOVE their pizza too.  So good.

https://bushwickdaily.com/bushwick/categories/restaurants/4277-artichoke-pizza-bushwick

[islandgal140]

21 minutes ago, TV Diva Queen said:

- Ramona having the bodega employee put her Ace Bandage on?  Don't ever change Ro. 

LOL! I just realized you are right. For some reason, I remember it being a convenience store because of the NY Lottery sign in the window but I had a brain fart and thought medical supply. That store employee is better than me because I wouldn't be putting a bandage on some strangers nasty foot (even if it has a sock on it). 

[Persnickety1]

I need to catch the full episode later, but my favorite scene right out of the gate was....

Luann watching Ramona's wheelchair antics whilst sporting an amazing pair of sunglasses and proclaiming with something bordering on disgust...

"She's such a pain in the ass."

TWICE.

Now I just need to see the rest of the episode.  

[Juliegirlj]

If Bethenny has a true allergy to fish then it is her responsibility to notify the staff and chef- preferably before the trip and again at arrival. 

Anyone with a severe allergy should always keep an epipen with them. 

The house in Cartagena was interesting, albeit a bit dirty, however, with a full staff and house manager all it would take is a discreet request to have the floors cleaned. 

Luann is fortunate that the mean girls club broke up ( AKA Bethenny and Carole), because they would be going in hard on her if they were still BFF’s.

Why are they trying to make Scott out to be some mysterious wealthy player? Those flowers were ridiculous and Scott and Tinsley are kind of a joke. 

Bethenny seems more like a high maintenance control freak than a confident strong woman. 

[Lynnlynnlynn586]

3 hours ago, AttackTurtle said:

I’m sorry, there is no comparison between Scary Island Kelly and Columbia Bethenny.  Kelly went after Bethenny for everything from the very recent death of her father to her company....and it wasn’t just Scary Island.  Kelly had it out for Bethenny from her very first episode.

Bethenny will always be my favorite housewife.  This was not a good episode for her, but she knew going there that she was on the outs with Dorinda and Carole.  She’d said as much in her eattlier episodes. She cane there in defensive mode and Carole’s response to her about red scarf guy was cutting/nasty.  And I hope Carole feels like an ass when she sees that he was texting Bethenny non-stop.   I do think she thought she had a real friendship with Carole.  I remember seeing pics of Carole with her CA celebrity friends at Christmas Time and all I could think was that Carol was a total poser.  She’s in her mid-50’s and she was posting group photos with her BFF’s like a middle schooler.

Bethenny has never pretended to be something she’s not.  She’s tightly wound, emotional, crazy, funny, vulnerable and has a big heart.  I think she’s totally in love with Dennis and the fact that he can’t be committed to her probably feels awful...and I wish he could, because I like what I see in those two.  

And I really hope that Carole/Ramona/Dorinda understands that love her/hate her this show is not the same without Bethenny.

Good post ?

[shoegal]

13 hours ago, WhoaWhoKnew said:

I like Carole's swimsuit.

Carole's swimsuit was gorgeous.  I like that Carole is into fashion and I'm usually entertained by her outfits (I actually liked the "walking dress!) and I enjoy watching her have fun with what she wears.  Carole is one that definitely dresses for herself (I am the same) and wears everything with confidence, which is key.....as far as the Carrie Bradshaw aspect, who am I (shoegal!!) to criticize??  ;) 

 

9 hours ago, RedDelicious said:

It occurred to me when Carole volunteered to push Ramona in the wheelchair that she'd done it before with Anthony, like hey I know how to do this. I'll admit, it made me a little sad. I know there's a lot of distaste for her but I still say she'll never be over her husband's passing. I'm not excusing her behavior or perception of her as a whole. It's just something I think about from time to time. Just like Dorinda is not over Richard. I think it affects you and you're never really the same again. And some days it affects you more than others.

That is exactly where my mind went and this is why Carole will forever get a pass from me regarding her "youthful" nature.  Carole spent her 30's caring for and watching her husband die a slow and painful death.  She spent her time in hospitals watching her spouse be cut apart bit by bit, with blood and drains and wheelchairs and everything that goes with it, and then the next decade mourning his death...this is not the typical time spent in the prime of your life, so if she wants to spend her 50's and 60's regaining what she lost in her 30's and 40's, well, I can't hate on that.  Date boys, dress however you want, put your feet up on the dash and get it, Carole!  You earned it.