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I think after the season ends I want to go back in  the past few  seasons and assess Kelli’s judgement in making cuts. We have the benefit of hindsight but really a lot of hints  are shown in episodes.

example - last year all Alexandria talked about was her fiancé and house and how hard it might be for this dream. Is it a shock she left?

Another thought I have is that Kelli’s “diamonds in the rough” girls is just her code for girls that are pretty and will be entertaining for viewers, but are fodder for being cut. I’m going to look for them. Last year’s Brianna was a perfect example.

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I love that Shelly still dances!

Was just looking at Tara's insta...what she looked like this year in training camp was totally different than what she looked like last year. Last year she popped! This year her skin was dull, and her hair was flat and 1 dimensional. She appeared bloated or puffy in the face, she didnt really have a defined shape like last year. She danced with tiredness instead of power.

In her most recent instapost, looks like she got her pop back, though she mentioned she took 2 months off from dancing. Hopefully she is getting back on track. She looks healthier now. She did not look healthy at all in training camp.

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6 hours ago, TexasBorn said:

I'm starting to mourn Kash's retirement :(

4 hours ago, parrotfeathers said:

Definitely.  Remember that night in TC she wore the wrong clothes?   What if Kelli had cut her?

If this had happened in this years training camp: VK would have gotten away with it. Dayton would have gotten the "strike one".

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2 hours ago, Jennv said:

Any guesses as to who will be a "one and done"?

Rookie Rachel. She said she just wanted to keep dancing for a while longer so I give her 2 years max. Majority of the rookies I believe are 22-24 with the exception of Brennan so I could see them staying for more than 1 year. Regarding the 2nd years, I wouldn't be shocked if Miranda, Molly, Rachel, Savannah, and Christina were done after this year. If they don't retire I could see them being cut at finals, they aren't very strong dancers. 

Side note: I'm still shocked that Savannah got ROTY, it seems in the past all the other ROTY were powerhouses/great dancers and ended up towards the front of the triangle (Kash, JennK, Holly A, Heather  Mary, etc). 

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 I took a break from here and then come back to “Bridget or Amber or even Brennan for point!!!!” Yikes ? I think it’s easy to love Bridget for how sweet/real she seems on social media, but given the importance of the position and the leadership usually held by the point Girl I would hesitate to say a second year would get the job.. especially because she just seems so cute/Maddie like to me. Plus there are so many rookies we know nothing about/were never featured/don’t post any videos that I have seen like Caroline! Does anyone know anything on her? Alanna? Briana? Are these one and done or powerhouses?? So many questions! All the time spent on VK for nothing ?

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31 minutes ago, Cowboysfan16 said:

 I took a break from here and then come back to “Bridget or Amber or even Brennan for point!!!!” Yikes ? I think it’s easy to love Bridget for how sweet/real she seems on social media, but given the importance of the position and the leadership usually held by the point Girl I would hesitate to say a second year would get the job.. especially because she just seems so cute/Maddie like to me. Plus there are so many rookies we know nothing about/were never featured/don’t post any videos that I have seen like Caroline! Does anyone know anything on her? Alanna? Briana? Are these one and done or powerhouses?? So many questions! All the time spent on VK for nothing ?

I like Briana she came from the Titans I think she will stick around 

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56 minutes ago, Monique said:

Rookie Rachel. She said she just wanted to keep dancing for a while longer so I give her 2 years max. Majority of the rookies I believe are 22-24 with the exception of Brennan so I could see them staying for more than 1 year. Regarding the 2nd years, I wouldn't be shocked if Miranda, Molly, Rachel, Savannah, and Christina were done after this year. If they don't retire I could see them being cut at finals, they aren't very strong dancers. 

Side note: I'm still shocked that Savannah got ROTY, it seems in the past all the other ROTY were powerhouses/great dancers and ended up towards the front of the triangle (Kash, JennK, Holly A, Heather  Mary, etc). 

Who was ROTY between Holly A. and JennK? 

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10 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I won't miss Kashara.  I have problems with young women who play up how "country" and ignorant they are as a means of appearing cute.  It's Kelli Pickler's whole routine, and I would prefer young ladies who aren't afraid to improve their minds and show their intelligence.

 

Sometimes you can be too country.

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14 minutes ago, SmpIsimon said:

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I won't miss Kashara.  I have problems with young women who play up how "country" and ignorant they are as a means of appearing cute.  It's Kelli Pickler's whole routine, and I would prefer young ladies who aren't afraid to improve their minds and show their intelligence.

I co-sign this. 

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3 minutes ago, ATLGirl said:

I disagree that Kashara is someone who is "afraid to improve their mind and show their intelligence."

I think we've heard from more than a few people who actually know and interact with Kashara regularly that this is who she is. When the rubber hits the road, she's very intelligent. She stepped up into a role that was left when the whole Holly/Erica/Jenna thing blew up and that was not an accident. You can't be ignorant and do what she did. Doesn't make her a superhero or saint but she's certainly smart.

She may act silly a lot but that's her personality. It may certainly rub some people the wrong way that she's "country", I do get that and that's fine. We all have our opinions. But I don't think she's putting on an act to appear cute.

Man, I need a milkshake...

 

No offense to Kashara -- but it didn't take intelligence -- it took dance ability and Judy's goodwill and Jenna f**king up. 

Personally, I find the cutesy country play up to be a bit much and a little phony -- having said that, she plays the stereotypical DCC, so she does have a niche.

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1 minute ago, MTTFan said:

No offense to Kashara -- but it didn't take intelligence -- it took dance ability and Judy's goodwill and Jenna f**king up. 

Personally, I find the cutesy country play up to be a bit much and a little phony -- having said that, she plays the stereotypical DCC, so she does have a niche.

I can see your point that intelligence wasn't the key in landing here there in the first place. But once she got it, she proved that she had what it took to keep it. They could have put Lacey at point this year instead, she certainly had put in the time. I do think maintaining that spot takes intelligence because you can't have that place of leadership and direction while being a dingaling. But maybe I'm wrong about that and it's actually an easy gig.

I do disagree that it's a "cutesy country play up" but that she's being the real her. But to each their own, there's room for all opinions.

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On 10/17/2018 at 7:55 PM, Thebiglebowski said:

SIDEBAR: It appears that K and J are grooming Jinelle to take over the roll of selecting the squad. I actually think it will be a good fit.

Jinelle would be a fine replacement when the time comes, I agree. She's smart and has a good TV-Q. I'm thinking they might want a Texan in that top role though.

On 10/18/2018 at 3:27 PM, VintageJ said:

Okay, so I just realized it.  Jenn K will take over for Kelli and Miss Kitty will take over for Judy!  Joking.?

Oh, HELLS no. Jenn K comes across so condescending, so snotty. She can be assistant whatever, but that's it.

If I were a betting girl, I'd say Ashton Torres Little will be the one to replace Kelli when she retires. She's got the same approach, and she's easy on the eyes and easy on the ears.

The one who is qualified to replace Judy someday is Michelle Keys. Her choreography, for football games in particular, is pure genius. But she's moving to Hawaii, so it's a no-go. Plus she's made a name for herself as a choreographer, and I'm not sure she'd want to limit herself to just the DCC organization.

My two cents on that subject!

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4 hours ago, SmpIsimon said:

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I won't miss Kashara.  I have problems with young women who play up how "country" and ignorant they are as a means of appearing cute.  It's Kelli Pickler's whole routine, and I would prefer young ladies who aren't afraid to improve their minds and show their intelligence.

Maybe that's honestly her personality? What appears fake to some on the screen may just be who she is in real life.  I think she comes across as sweet, natural and not trying to impress anyone - just being herself.

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5 hours ago, SmpIsimon said:

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I won't miss Kashara.  I have problems with young women who play up how "country" and ignorant they are as a means of appearing cute.  It's Kelli Pickler's whole routine, and I would prefer young ladies who aren't afraid to improve their minds and show their intelligence.

I usually agree with you on almost everything lol, and even here I get what you are saying, but I think Kashara really has a good heart, and I don’t think she’s just a cute country girl either. I  think she loves where she comes from, and is not ashamed (as she shouldn’t be) of how some may percieve country folk, and while she may know how to change your oil (and is proud of it!) she has a brain and an education. She doesn’t let the education change her soul though.  I’m a city girl, and I ADORE true, down to earth people who aren’t playing it up. And I think Kashara is as real as they come. 

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17 hours ago, 5678Pixie said:

I have heard auditions might be in March this year.

Wow, I wonder if this will happen! If it does, we will get a definite list of all retirees much earlier than usual. And perhaps MTT 14 earlier, during the summer? On another note I'm going to miss having the show on a weekly basis once it ends this week :( roll on MTT 14!! :) 

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11 hours ago, Monique said:
13 hours ago, Jennv said:

Any guesses as to who will be a "one and done"?

Rookie Rachel.

I agree.  I think there's a chance Brennan might retire (but then again after all those attempts she might want to do more than one), and another possibility might be Briana...I believe she's closer to the Christina/Brennan age group 

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10 hours ago, SmpIsimon said:

This will be an unpopular opinion, but I won't miss Kashara.  I have problems with young women who play up how "country" and ignorant they are as a means of appearing cute.  It's Kelli Pickler's whole routine, and I would prefer young ladies who aren't afraid to improve their minds and show their intelligence.

I disliked her ever since the "these shorts are shorter than my attention span" comment.  Again, making her sound stupid and flaky in an attempt to be cute.  Way to perpetuate the pro cheerleader stereotype.

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The only rookie I would even speculate on being a one-and-done would be Rachel.  She's already Miss America Runner Up and will likely use this as another stepping stone to her ultimate goal.  As for Veterans, besides Lacey and KaShara, the only people I hope retire are Jessika and Christina.  Jessika because she's proven that she's had issues (weight and ambassador risk, maybe even dance) the entire time she's been on the squad yet somehow manages to make it every year and Christina because she's absolutely one of the weakest dancers on the squad and is a HUGE ambassador risk because if she's in a bad mood for some reason at an event, I don't think she could pull off the fake-happy convincingly.   If they don't retire, I REALLY hope at least Christina is cut at Finals the next year.

As for Brennan, I think she'll stay at least a few years, just because she's worked SO hard to get there and has finally done so.  She's also a solid dancer, brings a maturity they need and seems to be an all-around GOOD person.

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I won’t miss Kashara either, but she’s one who I think my opinion has been affected by the editing of the show and the boards more than anything she actually did. I don’t really have an issue with her. She’s a bit too much for me, but she seems fun, and certainly appears to be a favorite of her teammates. However, I felt Kashara overload from the show, especially last year, and she’s one of the ones on the boards where I feel there’s a “how you can not see how fabulous Kash is” response any time there’s a comment that’s even remotely negative about her, while others get trashed regularly. So while I wish her well, I will not be sad to see her go. 

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11 hours ago, Monique said:

Rookie Rachel. She said she just wanted to keep dancing for a while longer so I give her 2 years max. Majority of the rookies I believe are 22-24 with the exception of Brennan so I could see them staying for more than 1 year. Regarding the 2nd years, I wouldn't be shocked if Miranda, Molly, Rachel, Savannah, and Christina were done after this year. If they don't retire I could see them being cut at finals, they aren't very strong dancers. 

Side note: I'm still shocked that Savannah got ROTY, it seems in the past all the other ROTY were powerhouses/great dancers and ended up towards the front of the triangle (Kash, JennK, Holly A, Heather  Mary, etc). 

The fact that Savannah got ROTY and isn't a powerhouse or even one of the best dancers says so much about her character and who she is as a person and teammate.  

As for your top paragraph, I agree about Rookie Rachel.  I love her but I don't see her being a 5 year girl.  It wouldn't shock me if she's one and done; tho vets don't have to deal with CMT as much so she may be ok with doing another year if it means she's not dealing with cameras all the time. I think Miranda and Molly will re-audition for sure.  Savannah and Christina I could see retiring.  Rachel is actually a really strong dancer, weight is more her issue so she may be over it.  

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3 minutes ago, LaurenBrook said:

The fact that Savannah got ROTY and isn't a powerhouse or even one of the best dancers says so much about her character and who she is as a person and teammate.  

As for your top paragraph, I agree about Rookie Rachel.  I love her but I don't see her being a 5 year girl.  It wouldn't shock me if she's one and done; tho vets don't have to deal with CMT as much so she may be ok with doing another year if it means she's not dealing with cameras all the time. I think Miranda and Molly will re-audition for sure.  Savannah and Christina I could see retiring.  Rachel is actually a really strong dancer, weight is more her issue so she may be over it.  

I wonder about Miranda, but pretty sure Molly will try to come back. Christian and Savannah can go right now. Savannah may be nice but can't keep up and I have nothing nice to say about Christia's dance or attitude or looks. 

Tasha and Yuko are two I wonder about. Tasha's done this a long time now and maybe fighting weight but I love her. Yuko is Yuko and three years is a lot away from home.

Same for weight and away from home for Maddie, esp. coming from Utah where most girls her age are married by now. I wonder if she feels the pressure and has never really dated. I know, she's like 21 or 22, but I had a big discussion with one of my friends who is also devout LDS, and it's different for her culture. 

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A reminder: please do not bring up politics here. The politics on the DCC participants' social media feeds are not relevant to our discussions here, since we don't allow discussion of politics that isn't directly shown on the show.

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50 minutes ago, EricaShadows said:

As for Brennan, I think she'll stay at least a few years, just because she's worked SO hard to get there and has finally done so.  She's also a solid dancer, brings a maturity they need and seems to be an all-around GOOD person.

I want to hug this post :)

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On 10/22/2018 at 12:07 PM, vivianspoetry said:

Whoa, whoa, whoa! The only comparison to Brittney is perhaps Aphrodite herself.  Joking aside, I really don't remember much about Erin from last year, but she was definitely one of the stronger rookie candidates this year.  I think she looks good in that headshot, but am not really a fan of her look while dancing.  Her face is already on the longer side, and almost seems to droop when she dances.  

This!!!^ You are soooo right, Brittney is in a league of her own ~ she is fabulous!!!  Erin has come a long way and definitely a success story from last year's TC - I think she's cute, at best. I totally get what you're saying about her face - her eyes appear droopy 

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57 minutes ago, UnicornKicks said:

Kashara is not dumb. She has an education degree and has plans for PT school. I'm finishing up PT school and its is a TON of physics, chem, A&P, etc. plus the actual PT classes and clinicals. I know English/writing is not my strong point, never has been, doesn't help that my dad's side is ESL but he's also a PT and super smart. Kashara is so dedicated to fitness and so motivating I think she'll do great as a PT. 

Kashara prob comes from a background where it's more modest and acceptable to play down accomplishments about yourself and not look like you're conceited or bragging, like Gina did. Not trashing Gina, she's growing on me, but I know in my own fam we'd NEVER say we were the best in the room or had special skills others didn't. 

Part of why I do not like JennK is how she was so snotty toward Kashara's country accent and acts like she needs to be fake and change herself to fit Jenn's expectations of what is proper and acceptable. To me this is as bad as acting a person of color to "Act White" or somebody from another country to "Act American" and drop their culture and traditions. I've seen it happen in my own family. Not cool.  

Now Kellie Pickler absolutely admits she plays off the naive country girl and dumb blonde stereotype, but Kashara is not Kelli. 

A couple comments on here have made it sound like JennK made a comment about KaShara's accent. What happened?

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42 minutes ago, UnicornKicks said:

and I have nothing nice to say about Christia's dance or attitude or looks. 

Me either! She can pull an Alexandria and I would not be the least bit upset! (Sorry all you Christina fans)

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12 hours ago, TexasBorn said:

I'm just going to say it ... I want Khalyn as point. Next year needs a strong black female role model.

That would be cute, but I just don't think she's THE black girl for point. She's cute and all, but she doesn't have what I personally would look for in a point.

1 hour ago, ByTor said:

I disliked her ever since the "these shorts are shorter than my attention span" comment.  Again, making her sound stupid and flaky in an attempt to be cute.  Way to perpetuate the pro cheerleader stereotype.

It's clear we all have different opinions, but I honestly think that's who she genuinely is. I don't think she's trying to be cute or anything. She just is :)

1 hour ago, PrincessLeia said:

Maybe she really is that country- people who actually know her have said time and time again that’s how she has always spoken, and her countryisms don’t make her less intelligent. Furthermore, just because you’re country doesn’t mean you’re stupid and afraid to “improve your mind and show your intelligence.” Kashara isn’t Kellie Pickler. I guess I’m not really sure what the point of your post was.... are you saying Kashara is dumb or that you just don’t like her accent and phrases because you think she’s putting it on to seem dumb? Which people who know her say isn’t the case. ?‍♀️

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28 minutes ago, sleepyjean said:

LOL, people are never going to give up hope that Christina gets the boot. I will be really amused if she turns into a 4-5 year vet.

Lol same. I don't get the hate. Let the girl live her dream. It seems like as the years progress that the competition is getting tougher, so it just may be difficult for her to keep up considering she isn't as strong as the rest of the girls. Hopefully for her though she is able to leave when SHE wants to and not when the judges want her to.

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18 minutes ago, Isolabella said:

A couple comments on here have made it sound like JennK made a comment about KaShara's accent. What happened?

Basically said rookie year Kashara needed change her accent to be a DCC and pressed to keep her off show group first two years bc of it. Personally I wonder if she somehow intimidates JennK with her honesty and vibrance, and how she gets along so well and is inclusive to EVERYBODY, instead of being an elitist snot. JennK doesn't seem to realize honesty looks a whole lot more WORLD CLASS than being a robot.  

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1 hour ago, PrincessLeia said:

Maybe she really is that country- people who actually know her have said time and time again that’s how she has always spoken, and her countryisms don’t make her less intelligent. Furthermore, just because you’re country doesn’t mean you’re stupid and afraid to “improve your mind and show your intelligence.” Kashara isn’t Kellie Pickler. I guess I’m not really sure what the point of your post was.... are you saying Kashara is dumb or that you just don’t like her accent and phrases because you think she’s putting it on to seem dumb? Which people who know her say isn’t the case. ?‍♀️

I concur with this. I live more on the western side of KY and the accents from Eastern KY are a hella lot more thick than over here. Like her accent is pretty much spot on to where she's from. They are def more "country" over there. But with Kentuckians, you'll have hit and miss accents too. Mine isn't very pronounced, but 15 miles away from here, people still say "warshing machine" and have an accent that could rival Kash's. And I find that my accent does tend to get thicker when I get around people who don't have one as bad, or maybe it just sounds more pronounced  IMO. 

When I heard her say she was from KY I was like oh def must be Eastern. It's a whole other world on that side of the state, I think American Idol Gives back did a campaign there because it's rough. 

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26 minutes ago, LadyMsJay said:
12 hours ago, TexasBorn said:

I'm just going to say it ... I want Khalyn as point. Next year needs a strong black female role model.

That would be cute, but I just don't think she's THE black girl for point. She's cute and all, but she doesn't have what I personally would look for in a point.

I don't think the physical presence will be there for point...in the sense that I have a strong feeling she'll be retiring this year :)

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On 10/22/2018 at 2:05 PM, IzzyEnd said:

That is true. Can't argue there. I really do hope some of these rock star rookies stay to be even better vets. If everyone manages the 1st year storm and keep weight in check. Next year could be hard for new girls to make camp at all. Makes one wonder...how many current vets will retire.

Oh yea, meant to ask. Does Miranda seem off this year, or frumpy? I like her down to earthiness, but she seems not put together as well as I remember last year. But hey, my son's tell me my eyes are the low budget brand.

LMAO!! ..........I can soooo hear my son OR my daughter saying something like that to me!!!  Seriously,  I've always seen Miranda as somewhat frumpy and "matronly".  

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So do the group leaders and seconds have a say in who makes show group? The show has never made it seem like that’s the case, especially since there have been group leaders who tried but never made it (Angela). So, was this just a matter of K&J respecting Jenn’s opinion and reaching out to her about who she thought should be on show group? I’m just trying to get a feel as to how this occurred because it seems odd that she would feel comfortable making her complaints about a team members accent to K&J.

I find it silly regardless. It’s not like Kashara is a spokesperson for a Manhattan based company who regularly gives presentations to international clients. She’s a DCC in Texas. Why on earth would her accent be a big deal?

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Has a redhead ever been point? Kelly has frequently commented on looking for differing hair colors, what better way to show that off than at point.  Savannah won ROTY, so they apparently think she is a good dancer.  If enough vets retire, is it inconceivable that Savannah could be point next year?  Not saying it would be my pick, but I could see it happening for those reasons, albeit a very slim possibility.  Would the boards riot more if Savannah was point or if VK makes the squad next year? 

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