S12.E09: Drag Bingo Bombshell

[The Closer]

Probably will be one of the most unpopular opinions I've ever held regarding a television show, but I find Meaghan far more judgmental than Lydia. Lydia didn't pass on the drag show invitation and sit around clutching her pearls about how she'd never go to such a show. She gave it a try. She also didn't refuse to get dressed up with the other women. She gave it a try. She didn't say anything to the women about the activity or her feelings about it to dampen their enthusiasm for it. She didn't remove herself when Shannon had her butt crack hanging out to the world while getting spanked. Lydia excused herself when the women were fighting over the same old crap they've fought over a thousand times already. Sure, she hadn't been enjoying herself a whole lot that night (and I don't know how you don't enjoy yourself at Hamburger Mary's!) but I feel like this is no different than someone who doesn't want to hang out at a sports bar during Monday Night Football. It's okay to not like something. It's just not okay to demean or belittle those that partake. All of Lydia's comments were in her talking heads where it was clear she was being prompted (baited?) to talk about it. Obviously she was asked about whether being a drag queen was wrong/a sin and she shrugged it off with a non-comment about how drag queens weren't mentioned in the Bible which I thought actually pretty tactful on her part.  I get not liking Lydia. She's not exactly my favorite, but I think it's fine for her to have a difference of opinion if the way she's expressing it not rude or disrespectful. I didn't think her reaction to the drag show a big deal.

Now, Meaghan comes across to me as totally judgmental. She has anointed herself as someone who gets to decide who is right in any given situation. When she decides someone is in the wrong, she tries to orchestrate payback for them. This can involve her digging into a person's private life beyond what is normal or manipulating people by trying to control the flow of information. She's appointed herself judge, jury and executioner based on what she thinks is wrong or right of others. This is why I think Kelly tried to cut her down a notch in a poorly constructed and ill-timed comment about Meaghan's kid being at home. I think what Kelly was likely going for was that maybe Meaghan shouldn't always be so busy judging others in a "shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house" kind of way, only Kelly chose a horribly wrong argument to make.  Given how poorly Meaghan responds when she's called out, she strikes me as way too judgmental and hypocritical for my tastes. I get that her target is usually Vicki which may make her popular with others as a result, but it's hard for me to ever root for someone who is as manipulative, judgmental, and conniving as Meaghan is. Yet, somehow Meaghan gets a pass but Sister Christian is deemed to be the judgy one.

[Hockey Addict]

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/juicy-scoop-with-heather-mcdonald/id1135332109?mt=2&i=378215940

[notnowimbusy]

I think Lydia went, even over her objections, because it was in her contract.  If she refused to go to anything that went against her personal beliefs, she wouldn't even be around these women.   My bet is if there was any way to get out of it she would have in a heart beat.  I can see her crying to a producer telling them her objections to it, and them telling her she can not go, but then she's off the show.  Lydia needs the money.  That magazine isn't going to buy her anything.   And nobody wants to see her w/her mother arguing over a pink scarf.  (Or talking about Doug's balls).

Vicki is in panic mode.  If nobody will film with her, except Meghan trying to pry information out of her, her daughter who looks increasingly bored with the whole thing, or Kelly who's ready to side with whoever the "popular crowd" is, Vicki knows in her gut she's on the way out.   She will take the show down before she goes willingly or graciously. 

Tamra and Shannon are determined to see Vicki go.  No amount of Meghan interfering will make them back down.  Not to mention Meghan looks stupid for trying.

[jaybird2]

23 hours ago, lunastartron said:

But alcohol doesn't stay in your blood indefinitely. Couldn't she just dump her milk for 24 hours and then alternate with formula before switching back? 

i don't know.  i've never birth any babies.  all i know is what i've heard and that is nursing mothers should not drink or do drugs.

[jaybird2]

1 hour ago, Mu Shu said:

In New York, Armenian woman with straw hair is cased as carrying fraud purse.  So no rob.  

Everyone knows that women who carry real Birkins are better coiffed.  

lol!  i read your post without checking to see who posted and i thought 'oh, kung fu bunny has nailed it again'. low and behold kfb didn't post this, you did.  

please take it as a compliment as kfb is one funny bunny!

Edited September 6, 2017 by jaybird2
for clarity

[film noire]

13 hours ago, Teddybear said:

There is not ONE interesting thing about either of them.  

In Armenian culture, interesting people are the boring ones.

10 hours ago, Dirtybubble said:

Some bullet points:   Shannon became 100% cooler for being a fan of Brett Michaels

I don't much like Bret Michaels. I don't much like Shannon. But I fucking LOVED Shannon as Bret Michaels.

I would happily watch every second of a show based on her living her daily life as Bret. (Cooking diet chicken as Bret?  SO THERE. "Put down the chips David!" YES! REWIND TO WATCH FIVE MORE TIMES. Body fat testing? LOVE IT. Bandana shopping trip? CHECK, CHECK, CHECK.) And (look away, Lydia --  yes, we all know you read here) I think she was fucking hot as Bret. I can imagine her in a dive bar with a pool cue in her hand, drinking and accidentally butt-recording every conversation ("Number 5 in the side pocket!") and then some shithead harassers approach her  ("What kind of goddamn lady-dude are you?") and next thing we hear is her all "Sons, you're about to learn what "Every rose has its thorn" means" --  and then she wails on them with the pool cue until they beg for mercy, and her work is done ("Can sumfuckingbuddy call me an Uber?") She needs to get in touch with that cockwalking energy,  is all I'm saying. Watching her as Bret, I realized just how much she is undone by the traditional markers of femaleness; the high heels that throw her body out of line and into a pigeon walk -- like her ass is full of helium -- the clothing that defeats her, thrown on a body that exists everywhere in our culture, but ignored by designers; the body shame that lowers her head and rounds her shoulders; the indirect gaze.

None of that was in her when she was cockwalking. Shannon, be the man you wish David was -- Bret -- and rock the fuck on.

My only wish for Kelly this episode: that Bret-Shannon had said to her, "You are a mom-shaming cunt.  Shut up."  

And then never apologized for using the C word.

Edited September 6, 2017 by film noire

[Audpaud]

I thought Lydia left the show due to the scandal/allegations against her brother? Was it the same brother at the children`s birthday party?

This cast needs reshuffled or replaced. Tamara remains the worst of the worst and should be the first to go.

[UsernameFatigue]

8 hours ago, esco1822 said:

From Vicki's blog:

"I was proud of Lydia to remove herself and go to the bathroom, as I would have done the same thing. Nothing about that evening was emulating a Christian life, nor was it something that they should have been proud of attending. "

 

This is soooo funny!!! Vicki would have removed herself? Vicki would have been on the stage upstaging the queens. Vicki has done more things she should not be proud of than all of the other OC Howives combined. Including all Howives from all 12 seasons. Thanks for the laugh, Vicki!

[ScoobieDoobs]

I'm at a point now, where Vicks popping up on my TV makes me angry.  I actually have to look away or turn the show off when she's on.  Yes, producers, that's how much I DO NOT want to watch her.

[StatisticalOutlier]

Since there wasn't much else interesting in this episode, I was amused by Meghan referring to herself as "Meghan King Edmonds P.I."  Uh, no, it's "Meghan P.I.," which is a play on "Magnum, P.I.," right?  I'm not sure she knows that. 

[biakbiak]

50 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Since there wasn't much else interesting in this episode, I was amused by Meghan referring to herself as "Meghan King Edmonds P.I."  Uh, no, it's "Meghan P.I.," which is a play on "Magnum, P.I.," right?  I'm not sure she knows that. 

I am pretty certain she knew exactly what she was saying. Also, to be a play on Magnum, P.I. it would have been King Edmonds, P.I. not Meghan P.I. He wasn't Thomas, P.I. though sometimes Rick would call him Thomas.

[yourmomiseasy]

But Meghan and Magnum sound more alike than Magnum and King Edmunds.

[biakbiak]

2 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

But Meghan and Magnum sound more alike than Magnum and King Edmunds.

Yes but both Shannon and Vickie love using her full name when they are upset with her. It felt completely intentional.

[RHJunkie]

Wow, Vicki must really be short on friends to film with if she was willing to make peace with Gretchen and become friends with her, lol. The very few who are indulging her think that her experiences have shaped her into a better person. Considering Vicki without missing a beat proclaimed that she was victim, convinces me that Vicki's ways are only influenced by the fact that she needs people in her corner and right now available recruits are in short supply.

Meghan is being a shit stirrer. Given that she's busy with her baby, it's probably the easiest role to take on this season with a high likelihood of securing her spot for next season. This way she gets the camera time, she brings the drama without being involved in the drama.

Kelly continues to be a nasty piece of work. She continues to use this defense that her nasty behaviour is reactionary as that somehow makes anything better. She can't have a disagreement with someone without scraping at the bottom of the barrel for shit to sling at you. Acknowledging your bad behaviour is not any credit to you when you continuously fail to do anything to improve that behaviour. She has zero self restraint and it's tiring to hear all of her excuses for why that is.

I haven't been a fan of Lydia this season but I thought she handled herself well given how uncomfortable she was in the situation. No matter what religion you follow, if you try to follow it to the letter of the law, you're going to come across contention with others and their way of life. I don't think the objective should to be convert people's beliefs, but to make them accepting of what is different around them, even if they don't prescribe to it themselves. Lydia may have felt the experience was contrary to her Christian beliefs but she didn't come across judgemental and she didn't complain and make things about herself.

[gundysgirl]

13 hours ago, SCS said:

Nahh, Vix doesn't sign the checks. The show's producers would not bring Gretchley back based on Vicki's prattle unless they were confident she'd bring the drama and make it worth the pennies..

Yes, it's not complicated. Bravo and production could see what they had and it wasn't good. Gretchen has been desperate to get back on the show since she was fired. They brought her back because they needed some drama. I cannot see how Vicki had anything to do with it. Although she might use it to her advantage. 

[PhilMarlowe2]

Meghan is unbearable. I am still trying to understand how or why it was okay for Meghan to poke Kelly about rumors of her infidelity but somehow it is this huge offense when Kelly then asks her about rumors of Jim's infidelity? Somehow, because Meghan was 7 months pregnant, she is exempt from being held responsible for her initial behavior? And then, months later, Meghan tries to present it as Kelly simply being rude out of the blue? Meghan is just messy. This is why I never liked her in the first place. There are times when she sees things calmly and can be the voice of reason, but there are other times when she is so full of (self-righteous) hot air, it's unbelievable.

And then there is Shannon so ready to jump on Kelly's back once again. I don't like Kelly! I don't want to defend her! But this felt like a less toxic version of what happened in Ireland. The flipping texts were right there. Everyone could see that Meghan had a hand in the conflict that went down. But there is defensive, reactive Shannon doing what she always does - knee-jerk defending her alliances - I mean, friends - and jumping on the back of anyone she doesn't like regardless of whether it is aligned with the deeper truth. Why doesn't Shannon apply the same moral fortitude to Meghan? Why doesn't Shannon wag her finger in Meghan's face and say, "Meghan, you don't bring up rumors of infidelity - that hurts too much!" What is so annoying about this is that Shannon experienced Meghan's messiness first hand in Season 10 - she was gas-lit by Meghan over the charity stuff, she was excluded from Meghan's party, she was willing to see how invasive/over-the-line Meghan was in the initial phases of the conflict with Vicki - but, again, because alliances have shifted, Shannon will now defend Meghan as a protective, good friend. I honestly have to say that I think Shannon is the worst. Her self-righteous anger toward anyone she doesn't like, masquerading as moral virtue, is really unattractive.

And Meghan was a shit-stirrer this episode. Look, I don't think anyone is going to argue that Vicki has been in the right these past few seasons or that she is in any way "the victim." I think we all know this. But Meghan was not at that lunch to try to understand Vicki's side, and for her to say so was disingenuous. Meghan repeatedly cut Vicki off, immediately refuted everything she said and was basically there as a mouthpiece for Shannon and Tamra. Which would be fine if Meghan owned it. If she had said, "I wanted to have lunch with Vicki to stick up for my friends and make her see the truth," then I'd have no problem with it. But don't pretend to be getting together to better understand someone when you have no intention of even hearing them out. So, then she totally encourages Vicki to talk about the rumors, and even suggests she bring the evidence out, and then runs to tell Shannon about it? Kelly was right when she called Meghan thirsty.

Anyhow, if drag bingo is what we can look forward to in a version of this show without Vicki, I am doubling down on my stance that this show needs Vicki. These women have no chemistry together.

Edited September 6, 2017 by PhilMarlowe2

[Mu Shu]

Vicki's goose is cooked.  No one wants to hear about how much ass this nag is getting.  Fifty shades of gross right there.

[booboopbedoo]

Note to Vikki - you like a sausage stuffed in that dress. When you gain weight you need to get clothes that fit.

 

Is this all this show has become - fighting over and over about the same bullshit??

Shannon you have become a caricature of yourself.

Lydia go save some Orphans.

8 minutes ago, Mu Shu said:

Vicki's goose is cooked.  No one wants to hear about how much ass this nag is getting.  Fifty shades of gross right there.

Unless Steve is taking Viagra there is no way at his age he can do it 4 times a day and even with drugs he can maybe do it twice

[chenoa333]

Tamra's boobs (in that red dress she's wearing in her TH's) look like the boobs went to a tanning salon and the rest of her body stayed home.

[NYCFree]

The fact that the women were dressed up as men, while having the argument, made it funnier by a factor of ten. I wish all real housewife arguments could be made in costume!

[esco1822]

14 hours ago, howiveaddict said:

My theory on why Peggy was picked for  the show. They auditioned other women to be howives, but they all declined when they heard they would be hired to be a friend of Vicki's .  Peggy was the only one to take the bait.

I just thought they were REALLY late hopping on the Kardashian bandwagon. Armenians = money.

[ButterQueen]

21 hours ago, AntAnn said:

Is it just me or does It appear that Shannon can actually have fun? I thought she was hilarious dressed as Brett Michaels during the bingo fiasco. In contrast though, when she is with David, she's a total nag and downer IMO.

I too think Shannon is a hoot.  I think she loses all confidence around David.

Iceland better be good.  I don't like a cast that refuses to engage and be civil.  The NY ladies could teach these HO's a few things.  Their Mexico trip is still on my DVR, as is Scary Island.

Edited September 6, 2017 by ButterQueen

[ButterQueen]

20 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

Why is Gretchen back? I think Lydia and Peggy are getting the tap out. I think during filming the show runners realized (like most of us here) that the recent add-ons are just not doing it and decided to extend an invite to Gretchen and Lizzie to try and salvage what is left of the season.

I really liked Alexis.....I know, I know.

[Cherrio]

55 minutes ago, booboopbedoo said:

Unless Steve is taking Viagra there is no way at his age he can do it 4 times a day and even with drugs he can maybe do it twice

Vicki is erectile dysfunction.  No pill or pulley will help. :)

[PhilMarlowe2]

19 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

I really liked Alexis.....I know, I know.

I wouldn't go so far as to say that I really liked her, but I did find her relatively harmless. And she was someone who could be genuinely kind. Both those things are more than I can say for a lot of the other Housewives.

19 hours ago, Cherrio said:

Vicki is erectile dysfunction.  No pill or pulley will help. :)

"Vicki no pulley the woody."

Edited September 7, 2017 by PhilMarlowe2

[Natalie68]

16 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Regarding the story about Eddie, maybe he is bisexual.  And that he dated men before he met Tamra. Not a biggie one way or the other. I think it is much more likely that this is another rumour started by Vicki, but even if he was seen kissing a man - who cares? 

Interesting that the proof Vicki had that David beat Shannon, she no longer has. If she looks for Brooks's cancer binders I am sure it will be right there beside them. 

Eddie is a nice man.  Never starts shit, never says bad things about people and I find it disgusting V is going after him.  And really, who cares if he has been with a man?  Tamra doesn't seem to and really, what is the big deal?  They need to quit using being gay/bi as an insult.  Super convenient for V to have 'lost' these pics due to changing phones.  I know I have my pics moved every time I get a new phone.  And if this is your proof of anything that you keep hurling at Shannon, WHY get rid of it?  She is a fucking liar and a def con woman.  As someone with personal and close experience with one, yep Vicki, you fill the bill.

15 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

I am one that is that stupid with devices.  I once laid in wait for hours to catch and record an insane owl, who mimicked a howler monkey.  Nobody in my house believed it existed, and it would arrive in my yard at roughly 3 AM to terrorize me nightly.  So BAM, I got him one night, and happily rewound my IPhone . . . . . to find a recording of my boobs. 

This is hilarious!  Yeah, I am always handing my phone to my staff asking how to do stuff.  It isn't that I am stupid, I just don't care enough to learn what it can do.  

[Natalie68]

11 hours ago, film noire said:

In Armenian culture, interesting people are the boring ones.

I don't much like Bret Michaels. I don't much like Shannon. But I fucking LOVED Shannon as Bret Michaels.

I would happily watch every second of a show based on her living her daily life as Bret. (Cooking diet chicken as Bret?  SO THERE. "Put down the chips David!" YES! REWIND TO WATCH FIVE MORE TIMES. Body fat testing? LOVE IT. Bandana shopping trip? CHECK, CHECK, CHECK.) And (look away, Lydia --  yes, we all know you read here) I think she was fucking hot as Bret. I can imagine her in a dive bar with a pool cue in her hand, drinking and accidentally butt-recording every conversation ("Number 5 in the side pocket!") and then some shithead harassers approach her  ("What kind of goddamn lady-dude are you?") and next thing we hear is her all "Sons, you're about to learn what "Every rose has its thorn" means" --  and then she wails on them with the pool cue until they beg for mercy, and her work is done ("Can sumfuckingbuddy call me an Uber?") She needs to get in touch with that cockwalking energy,  is all I'm saying. Watching her as Bret, I realized just how much she is undone by the traditional markers of femaleness; the high heels that throw her body out of line and into a pigeon walk -- like her ass is full of helium -- the clothing that defeats her, thrown on a body that exists everywhere in our culture, but ignored by designers; the body shame that lowers her head and rounds her shoulders; the indirect gaze.

None of that was in her when she was cockwalking. Shannon, be the man you wish David was -- Bret -- and rock the fuck on.

My only wish for Kelly this episode: that Bret-Shannon had said to her, "You are a mom-shaming cunt.  Shut up."  

And then never apologized for using the C word.

I'd watch this spin off

[Lady of nod]

I am loving Meghan this season. Yes she's stirring the shit but in all the best ways. And she owns it. And I also think babies see ghosts!  This new one Peggy and her idiot husband can leave anytime. They're only interest  seems to be talking about how much money they have. And Lydia - are we supposed to believe that she grew up in oc and has never been exposed to drag queens? And she doesn't know what to think if it's not spelled  out for her in the Bible? She and her husband are just annoying to the highest power. pun intended. I've always likes Shannon, she's a fun girl, around her friends but she needs to lose David. They have always been uncomfortable to watch together. He just drags her down. Kelly's a psycho bitch. Every time she opens her mouth I want to shove something in it. And as for Vicki, there are not enough words to express how much I detest her.I do feel thru her scenes. I know there's a lot of hate here for Tamra, but she doesn't bother me and I like Eddie. I didn't watch the first years of this show so I guess that's when she was so awful. That all I got

I fast forward her scenes. I don't feel them. Hate autocorrect

[sarivon]

15 hours ago, RedheadZombie said:

You don't remember Tamra getting baptized while angels sang, and Vicki holding up her hand to God.  She's Christ-like.

At tamra's baptism --- the angels weren't singing .... They were weeping in horror!

Edited September 6, 2017 by sarivon

[RedheadZombie]

5 minutes ago, sarivon said:

At tamra's baptism --- the angels weren't singing .... They were weeping in horror!

Ha!  You're so right.  It was a full gospel chorus a singing.  Perhaps the angels were cringing as they anticipated Vicki re-enacting the church scene in Blues Brothers.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lX5tfRdkoY0

[StatisticalOutlier]

9 hours ago, yourmomiseasy said:

But Meghan and Magnum sound more alike than Magnum and King Edmunds.

Yeah, that's why I thought it was "Meghan P.I." in particular.  She's too young to remember the show, so maybe I shouldn't fault her, but "Meghan King Edmonds P.I." just misses the point, and I wonder if she thought it was a compliment, which I don't think "Meghan P.I." is.

[nexxie]

There are a lot of shallow people on these shows, but Pe$$y and family amount to barely a puddle.

13 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

This is soooo funny!!! Vicki would have removed herself? Vicki would have been on the stage upstaging the queens. Vicki has done more things she should not be proud of than all of the other OC Howives combined. Including all Howives from all 12 seasons. Thanks for the laugh, Vicki!

Wasn't it Vicki who humped the nice Irish man in front of everyone?

[HunterHunted]

1 hour ago, Natalie68 said:

Eddie is a nice man.  Never starts shit, never says bad things about people and I find it disgusting V is going after him.  And really, who cares if he has been with a man?  Tamra doesn't seem to and really, what is the big deal?  They need to quit using being gay/bi as an insult.  Super convenient for V to have 'lost' these pics due to changing phones.  I know I have my pics moved every time I get a new phone.  And if this is your proof of anything that you keep hurling at Shannon, WHY get rid of it?  She is a fucking liar and a def con woman.  As someone with personal and close experience with one, yep Vicki, you fill the bill.

She was called on using this "Eddie is gay" rumor as a pejorative at last season's reunion. Both Andy and America let her know how gross it was and like the stupid spiteful cow that she is, Vicki decided to double down on it.

I sort of love her Twitter because every 5th tweet is essentially "He's the one who lied!!!!! Did you read his statement!"

[schmickschmack]

19 hours ago, Cherrio said:

The only reason I can come up with is that he rebuffed Andy at some point?  

Because Andy is the single biggest gay homophobe I've ever seen in my life.  He called RHONJ to task on some homophobic comments back in S1, but since then, they've been cranking them out and he's been super chill (he did touch on it with Atlanta at the last reunion, but in a half-assed way).  

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

On 9/5/2017 at 0:47 PM, Reppiks2897 said:

 

Peggy and Diko talk  like that all the time. We have a $350,000 car we have a $450,000 car we have a $750,000 car. This little college trip is going to cost $10,000   Here try this $85,000 necklace sign try to $70,000 necklace on. They have a bad case of season 1 "the Guidice's"  

Agree completely and because they are so close I get a tiny Silex  (Simon and Alex  van Kempen) vibe, also due to their codependent brand name mutual love. Not as quirky or thirsty upper middle class as Silex but codependent. 

Edited September 6, 2017 by Alonzo Mosely FBI

[Cherrio]

14 minutes ago, nexxie said:

There are a lot of shallow people on these shows, but Pe$$y and family amount to barely a puddle.

Wasn't it Vicki who humped the nice Irish man in front of everyone?

Yes !  Then she made a gross comment about it too.

[FairyDusted]

The commentary has been way better than the actual show this season. Lackluster as it is here we are. Now look at Dallas.....Nada. 

[nexxie]

3 minutes ago, Cherrio said:

Yes !  Then she made a gross comment about it too.

That's right - she had no regard for his feelings, a man who was probably just trying to be polite to the tourists. For Vicki, he was just a handy pawn in her latest look-at-me drama.

[ghoulina]

18 hours ago, JakeyJokes said:

I'm giving Lydia a slight pass on these grounds: While I have never been to HM's drag queen bingo, I go in my city if I'm ever free on a Saturday afternoon. The queens love to curse, encourage patrons to take their shirts off, and make sexually explicit comments. (If anyone here is a RuPaul's Drag Race viewer, Willam used to call bingo there quite often and still does occasionally, for point of references). I can see her being more offended at the R-rated stuff than the concept of drag queens per se.

That's how I would be. It could be all straight people, all women, all couples, all nuns. I don't care. I am pretty private about sex and the raunchy behavior from ANYONE would make me uncomfortable. No judgments against those who partake, it's just not my thing. I probably would have stayed at home. Some of her THs were a bit ridiculous, but I think while she was actually there she seemed to be making an effort. 

[ghoulina]

14 hours ago, UsernameFatigue said:

This is soooo funny!!! Vicki would have removed herself? Vicki would have been on the stage upstaging the queens. Vicki has done more things she should not be proud of than all of the other OC Howives combined. Including all Howives from all 12 seasons. Thanks for the laugh, Vicki!

Right??? This is the woman that was inappropriately heckling the Irish dancers in Ireland and gyrating with random men in the pub. She is so full of shit. 

[bichonblitz]

17 hours ago, The Closer said:

Now, Meaghan comes across to me as totally judgmental. She has anointed herself as someone who gets to decide who is right in any given situation. When she decides someone is in the wrong, she tries to orchestrate payback for them. This can involve her digging into a person's private life beyond what is normal or manipulating people by trying to control the flow of information. She's appointed herself judge, jury and executioner based on what she thinks is wrong or right of others. This is why I think Kelly tried to cut her down a notch in a poorly constructed and ill-timed comment about Meaghan's kid being at home. I think what Kelly was likely going for was that maybe Meaghan shouldn't always be so busy judging others in a "shouldn't throw stones if you live in a glass house" kind of way, only Kelly chose a horribly wrong argument to make.  Given how poorly Meaghan responds when she's called out, she strikes me as way too judgmental and hypocritical for my tastes. I get that her target is usually Vicki which may make her popular with others as a result, but it's hard for me to ever root for someone who is as manipulative, judgmental, and conniving as Meaghan is. Yet, somehow Meaghan gets a pass but Sister Christian is deemed to be the judgy one.

^^^ This!  I can't stand judgy Meghan. Unpopular opinion here. People love her. And Shannon.  

[Sage47]

19 hours ago, QQQQ said:

"[Star-gazing] is best in pitch darkness on a very clear night."

 

Shit, no wonder my noontime astronomy parties are so poorly attended. Ordering Pippa's book, stat.

 

"Peggy was the only one to take the bait."

Taking the bait is very important in the Armenian culture.

AHHH, I LOVE this post!!!

[jaync]

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I don't care if his marriage is a front, though I find it difficult to believe that Eddie needs a beard.

Yeah, the notion that Eddie and Tamra would need to be in a bearding situation never made sense to me. Eddie's never really pinged for me, though (I know he did for several back in the TWoP days), and I find the affection he and Tamra show for one another to be sincere.

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kelly is going to turn on Vicki.  I can't wait the see it happen.  

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None of that was in her when she was cockwalking.

Bret-Shannon definitely had it all over Mrs.Roper-Shannon.

Damn, I loved me some Rock of Love.

[Sage47]

Wow, I loved the profile of Shannon as Bret Film Noire, spot on! What a great look at the psychology of who Shannon *could* be. But she will never allow herself to be loose and free like that. She has the stuffy, old lady persona down pat and she's stickin' with it.

Poor Eddie. He is the nicest guy probably on any Housewives show. Quiet, unassuming, kind, not a gossiping prick or attention whore like Terry Dubrow. Leave him the hell alone Vicki, you asshole. 

I can not stomach this woman another day. Vile, vindictive Vicki. Now she's going to pull a Laurie (who came back on the show to talk about catching Vicki in a threesome) and utilize Gretchen to throw mud at Eddie? What a piece of trash. 

My guess is that Eddie is bisexual and had a past with men. None of my business and I don't want to see him shamed. I do not believe that he and Tamra have a sham marriage-Tamra would never go for that. 

And Peggy IS the only one they could get to film and pretend to be Vicki's friend-no doubt about it. Because Peggy is the most boring person ever seen on any television show, ever.  She has zero to offer, nada. She was the only sucker they could get. 

Edited September 6, 2017 by Sage47

[yourmomiseasy]

30 minutes ago, jaync said:

Yeah, the notion that Eddie and Tamra would need to be in a bearding situation never made sense to me. Eddie's never really pinged for me, though (I know he did for several back in the TWoP days), and I find the affection he and Tamra show for one another to be sincere.

Bret-Shannon definitely had it all over Mrs.Roper-Shannon.

Damn, I loved me some Rock of Love.

I rewatched Daisy of Love a year or two back and it made me really sad.  I felt bad for everyone on there.  I'm afraid Rock of Love would be the same, so I've decided not to taint my memory with a rewatch.  Slightly on topic, I could totally see Kelly as a Rock of Love contestant.

Edited September 6, 2017 by yourmomiseasy

[UsernameFatigue]

2 hours ago, ghoulina said:

Right??? This is the woman that was inappropriately heckling the Irish dancers in Ireland and gyrating with random men in the pub. She is so full of shit. 

Not only this, but doing it right after she sends herself "I love you" flowers from Steve. I also recall Vicki hitting on men in a pool in Mexico. She was either still married to Donn, or it was when she was with Brookes. And of course she was with Brookes when she was still married to Donn. Vicki is that last person who should be preaching about what is appropriate behavior.

[WireWrap]

3 hours ago, ghoulina said:

That's how I would be. It could be all straight people, all women, all couples, all nuns. I don't care. I am pretty private about sex and the raunchy behavior from ANYONE would make me uncomfortable. No judgments against those who partake, it's just not my thing. I probably would have stayed at home. Some of her THs were a bit ridiculous, but I think while she was actually there she seemed to be making an effort. 

If Lydia is that uncomfortable hearing sexual jokes, watching raunchy behavior and/or hearing vulgar language then why did she come back to the show because the entire cast does all of those things on a regular basis and Lydia knew that? LOL

10 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

Not only this, but doing it right after she sends herself "I love you" flowers from Steve. I also recall Vicki hitting on men in a pool in Mexico. She was either still married to Donn, or it was when she was with Brookes. And of course she was with Brookes when she was still married to Donn. Vicki is that last person who should be preaching about what is appropriate behavior.

She was married to Donn and having the affair with Brooks when she hooked up with a Brooks look alike in Mexico! Vicki shouldn't pass judgement on anyone because she has the morals of an alley cat! LOL

[Mindthinkr]

25 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

She was married to Donn and having the affair with Brooks when she hooked up with a Brooks look alike in Mexico! Vicki shouldn't pass judgement on anyone because she has the morals of an alley cat! LOL

Maybe Vicki should take a vacation with the pirate loving Countess. That could be fun to watch (but we'll hide in the bushes hoping Luann doesn't fall on us so we can see the real deal...not just what they play up for the cameras). 

[lunastartron]

7 hours ago, ButterQueen said:

I really liked Alexis.....I know, I know.

Alexis was my favorite of all the OC wives. It's a little odd that she hasn't filmed guest spots since her departure - she's still friends with Vicki (as well as Lydia) and would be a natural choice for a comeback if production wanted to stack allies. I'm kind of glad she hasn't returned in the current context of the show, though. She was pretty staunchly Team Vicki/Brooks during her WWHL spots even through the end of season 10. 

[WireWrap]

47 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Maybe Vicki should take a vacation with the pirate loving Countess. That could be fun to watch (but we'll hide in the bushes hoping Luann doesn't fall on us so we can see the real deal...not just what they play up for the cameras). 

I would watch Luann on vacation all day long, she is a happy, not vulgar/embarrassing vacationer. Vicki on the other hand, doesn't like to try new things or the local foods and acts like an ugly American more often than not, so no, I'd rather not include her! LOL Vicki is more Ramona's speed on vacation.