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NotthebadVictoria

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19 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:I still think that even in a complacent rich family you do tend to get a kid or two with aspirations that arise from people's imaginations and from their interior and not from just a desire to work for a good living. So I wonder why that hasn't happened here. But the TLC money as part of the chain that weighs them down and keeps them in place? I do agree that it is. 

I think they beat the aspirations right out of them with blanket training and telling them they would burn in hell for an original thought.

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kalamac
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It's sad when a bunch of internet people who have never met these kids care more about their education and livelihoods than their own parents. Seriously, fuck JB and Michelle.

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crazy8s

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1 hour ago, Churchhoney said:

Well, I certainly think that the complete absence of walking-away-to-live-my-own-life in this family has been true because JB has real estate and TLC provides both money and sweet sweet fame. .... So not getting a career or an education may at least partly result from that complacency, too. ....

I still think that even in a complacent rich family you do tend to get a kid or two with aspirations that arise from people's imaginations and from their interior and not from just a desire to work for a good living. So I wonder why that hasn't happened here. But the TLC money as part of the chain that weighs them down and keeps them in place? I do agree that it is. 

I agree  - since TLC - JB has money, the kids have traveled, have not gone hungry and been set up for whatever sham business they can sit on a couch all day at the TTH or work on "duggar time" JED! sells cars to his brothers and apparently Carlin Bates Laura etc.. how would Jase own trucks for his Buildmasters Construction LLC without JB? how did 17yr old Justin (aka DudleyDooright)  buy a truck on no income from JED! ? how does Joe own a boat and trailer and 2 cars with no job? all these things are claimed on their 2019 personal taxes.

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Churchhoney

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Well, this group has now unearthed so many compelling reasons why the Duggarlings aren't getting educations, working outside JB's umbrella-shadow, or pursuing any independent activities at all that I'm now convinced it'll be a once-in-a-millennium-grade miracle if any of them ever does. 🙂

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Zella

Zella

At College of the Ozarks, there were some shenanigans, but nothing at all compared to what I think is considered a normal college experience. I mean, fuck, if you were legal age and got caught drinking or buying alcohol off campus, you could get still get kicked out. Most of the really wild people got weeded out early because they couldn't hack the rules. The more quietly subversive were harder to weed out. LOL 

And that place is sort of permissive compared to the more fundie places. Pensacola Christian College has separate elevators and stairwells, so boys and girls don't comingle. I'm sure the Duggars would have felt right at home shouting Nike on that campus. 

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satrunrose

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I would imagine it's the quietly subversive types that scare the bejeeses out of the Jimbob types. I mean, between fear of God, fear of parents and fear of the tabloids, outright rebellion might be controlled (or smuggled away to Jesus jail), but if some nice girl from Biology makes a compelling case for evolution...

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Zella

Zella

34 minutes ago, satrunrose said:

I would imagine it's the quietly subversive types that scare the bejeeses out of the Jimbob types. I mean, between fear of God, fear of parents and fear of the tabloids, outright rebellion might be controlled (or smuggled away to Jesus jail), but if some nice girl from Biology makes a compelling case for evolution...

It's certainly easier to operate under the radar when you're quietly subversive. 😆

On a more serious note, though, yes I think you're right. 

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Churchhoney

Churchhoney

13 hours ago, Zella said:

At College of the Ozarks, there were some shenanigans, but nothing at all compared to what I think is considered a normal college experience. I mean, fuck, if you were legal age and got caught drinking or buying alcohol off campus, you could get still get kicked out. Most of the really wild people got weeded out early because they couldn't hack the rules. The more quietly subversive were harder to weed out. LOL 

And that place is sort of permissive compared to the more fundie places. Pensacola Christian College has separate elevators and stairwells, so boys and girls don't comingle. I'm sure the Duggars would have felt right at home shouting Nike on that campus. 

Exactly. 

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irisheyes

irisheyes

There are HUNDREDS of small, Christian colleges that the Duggar kids could have gone to. My friend’s brother went to one in Iowa where the girls had to wear skirts, the guys had to wear ties to class, there were no TV’s, curfew was at 9, and you could get grounded if you broke a rule. This was in the 90”s, but I’m sure the rules are just as strict. So, it’s not as if the Duggar’s couldn’t have found a college that met their standards, they just saw no reason to look. Which is sad. I mean, if Joe wanted to be a preacher, why NOT give him the opportunity to get trained as a pastor so he could excel at serving at a church. Kendra is a flake, but she’s a perfect pastor’s wife for a small, rural church. 

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Temperance

Temperance

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On 8/23/2020 at 6:02 PM, Nysha said:

I think JB not only discouraged his kids to go to school b/c he is a control freak, but also so it was easier to TLC to schedule filming around TLCs schedule. JB is all about being joyfully available for the camera. The money and innate laziness are probably the reason why nobody has hightailed it out of there.

Yes most of their single children are the college set.  They need to be available to film a courtship. 

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RoseGold13

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On 8/22/2020 at 3:07 PM, GeeGolly said:

I had no idea there were so many real Fundy colleges. Are these as extreme as Gothard type teachings? Do they follow all the outwardly foolish modesty rules? Do they infuse Christianity into all their lessons?  Do they have the same courses as mainstream schools?

 

 

On 8/22/2020 at 3:15 PM, Heathen said:

Mostly. 

Yes.

Yes. 

Some, in their own way.

Their presidents tend to be Gothard-level assholes and hypocrites, too (see: Falwell, Jerry, Jr.). 

Bob Jones University didn’t allow interracial dating until 2000. Black people weren’t even admitted until 1971.

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[Bob] Jones Sr. was of the view that twentieth-century blacks should be grateful to whites for bringing their ancestors to this country as slaves. If this had not happened, Jones wrote in 1960, “they might still be over there in the jungles of Africa, unconverted.” Integrationists, according to Jones, were wrongfully trying to eradicate natural boundaries that God himself had established.

https://www.jbhe.com/news_views/62_bobjones.html

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awaken

awaken

6 hours ago, irisheyes said:

There are HUNDREDS of small, Christian colleges that the Duggar kids could have gone to. My friend’s brother went to one in Iowa where the girls had to wear skirts, the guys had to wear ties to class, there were no TV’s, curfew was at 9, and you could get grounded if you broke a rule. This was in the 90”s, but I’m sure the rules are just as strict. So, it’s not as if the Duggar’s couldn’t have found a college that met their standards, they just saw no reason to look. Which is sad. I mean, if Joe wanted to be a preacher, why NOT give him the opportunity to get trained as a pastor so he could excel at serving at a church. Kendra is a flake, but she’s a perfect pastor’s wife for a small, rural church. 

Emmaeus bible college?  If so, I know it well. 

Churchhoney

Churchhoney

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1 hour ago, MunichNark said:

How do these places get away with telling legal adults when to go to bed??

Nobody goes to these colleges except people who've been trained into a power structure like Gothard's and the Duggs'. And, unlike in Europe, we have pretty many of those people. They're used to it.

JB and M or somebody they appointed as their second (like a college dean) could probably tell Jana when to go to bed and she'd do it, I think. And she's 30. (Of course this is less relevant to the Duggars since none of them go to bed until the middle of the night ... They do follow orders, though.)

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Zella

Zella

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2 hours ago, MunichNark said:

How do these places get away with telling legal adults when to go to bed??

Where I went had a 1 am curfew, and they always framed it as a "you're privileged to go here, and if you don't follow the rules, then there are 13 other people waiting to take your place." That is a direct quote that was used for any rule. It is also a work college that targets poorer students and first generation college students, so many felt like they had no other options and had nobody else to direct them to better options.

COFO actually got into some hot water over their curfew a couple of years ago because 2 students who were off campus and missed curfew thought it was better to sleep outside the campus than risk asking security to let them in. They were kidnapped by a psychotic meth addict who terrorized them for a few hours. 😞

I guess I will clarify, the curfew was.more about being in the dorm by a certain time. It didn't mean you had to actually be sleeping. As long as you were.in the dorm where I was, they didn't care if you stayed up the rest of the night. 

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irisheyes

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2 hours ago, Zella said:

 

I guess I will clarify, the curfew was.more about being in the dorm by a certain time. It didn't mean you had to actually be sleeping. As long as you were.in the dorm where I was, they didn't care if you stayed up the rest of the night. 

Yeah, I went to a small, Christian college in the 90’s (not nearly as strict as some), and we had a curfew. Which I appreciate more now that I’m a mom. Once you were in, you could stay up. (We didn’t get grounded if we broke the rules though. 😀)

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Zella

Zella

1 minute ago, irisheyes said:

Yeah, I went to a small, Christian college in the 90’s (not nearly as strict as some), and we had a curfew. Which I appreciate more now that I’m a mom. Once you were in, you could stay up. (We didn’t get grounded if we broke the rules though. 😀)

I was caught out after curfew twice. For the dorkiest reason imaginable. Raiding other dorms' free boxes for books. LOL I was on campus so technically not up to any trouble but still in violation of the rules. We had a trick door in our dorm's basement that everyone knew didn't lock properly, so I hustled in that way with my haul of books and nobody was any wiser. A little while later admin figured out the door was an issue and that was the end of our secret passageway. 😕 

See what hellraising the Duggars missed out on! 

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Nysha

Nysha

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9 hours ago, Zella said:

I was caught out after curfew twice. For the dorkiest reason imaginable. Raiding other dorms' free boxes for books. LOL I was on campus so technically not up to any trouble but still in violation of the rules. We had a trick door in our dorm's basement that everyone knew didn't lock properly, so I hustled in that way with my haul of books and nobody was any wiser. A little while later admin figured out the door was an issue and that was the end of our secret passageway. 😕 

See what hellraising the Duggars missed out on! 

It makes me sad that they have never experienced even this tiny bit of rebellion. They could have gone to your alma mater, stretch their wings for the first time in their lives, and still land within the behavior boundaries of most Christians. Plus, they would have been able to do something besides work for JB and procreate. Which is why JB never gave his kids that option.

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Tikichick

Tikichick

On 8/22/2020 at 9:36 AM, Nysha said:

Liberty University & Bob Jones University are both accredited Fundy colleges, plus there is Clown College that seems to take anyone. I don't know about BJU, but Liberty has online classes. JB & M had a lot of options. JB does not want his children to out shine him or move beyond his sphere of control.

The bolded says it all.  Hobble them in every way you can and it's virtually impossible they can get away.  Anyone looking to court a still single Duggar girl will absolutely be someone JB can be guaranteed to have absolute control over as well.  

On 8/22/2020 at 8:02 PM, Churchhoney said:

Well, this group has now unearthed so many compelling reasons why the Duggarlings aren't getting educations, working outside JB's umbrella-shadow, or pursuing any independent activities at all that I'm now convinced it'll be a once-in-a-millennium-grade miracle if any of them ever does. 🙂

Blaze a big trail, Israel -- and hold your bright light up as high as you can for your cousins! 

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Caracoa1

Caracoa1

Joe and Kendra are in for a world of hurt someday along with their 10 + children.  When Jim Bob's pot of gold starts to run dry he's going to cut those kids off fast and save his own neck.  Joe is very sweet, but simple and doesn't have any marketable skills.. Right now he could not afford a one-bedroom apartment, utilities, car payments, insurance, groceries, child care...so very sad and he should be very concerned for his future.

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leighdear

leighdear

10 minutes ago, Caracoa1 said:

 Joe is very sweet, but simple and doesn't have any marketable skills.. Right now he could not afford a one-bedroom apartment, utilities, car payments, insurance, groceries, child care...so very sad and he should be very concerned for his future.

He has a real estate license.  He can get a job at an agency or brokerage anywhere in Arkansas with that. 

You can't just pick up a RE license at Walmart with a 12 pack of toilet paper and some avocados.  

Where does the "fact" that he, Kendra & the kids live off Jim Bob come from?

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DangerousMinds

DangerousMinds

1 hour ago, leighdear said:

He has a real estate license.  He can get a job at an agency or brokerage anywhere in Arkansas with that. 

You can't just pick up a RE license at Walmart with a 12 pack of toilet paper and some avocados.  

Where does the "fact" that he, Kendra & the kids live off Jim Bob come from?

How else would they be living?

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MonicaM

MonicaM

18 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

TLC money?

Which still means he'll need to put that real estate license to work some day, because TLC will dry up at one point.

We're friends with a couple who both have a real estate license and they make a very nice living.  However, they work hard and work a lot.  Days, evenings, weekdays, weekends, all the time.  Fortunately they love their work and are able to do it together because it pretty much takes up the majority of their waking hours.  They work for the convenience of their clients, not the other way around.  

Not sure Joe or any of the Duggar offspring have the work ethic it takes to be successful in real estate.  At least not at first.  He might grow into the job, but most agencies want results and won't have patience with someone who runs on Duggar time and has never worked a full time stressful job before.

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

At this point anyway, I think the Duggars are buyers/investors in the real estate world, rather than agents for other buyers and sellers. It fits them perfectly, buy some cheap land or a cheap house at auction, sit on it for a time and sell it for a profit. Or rent it out. I think they've even rented a field to a farmer for his cattle before. Not a lot of energy or heathen interaction needed.

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doodlebug

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4 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

At this point anyway, I think the Duggars are buyers/investors in the real estate world, rather than agents for other buyers and sellers. It fits them perfectly, buy some cheap land or a cheap house at auction, sit on it for a time and sell it for a profit. Or rent it out. I think they've even rented a field to a farmer for his cattle before. Not a lot of energy or heathen interaction needed.

Yes, I don't think we've ever seen any of them use their real estate license in the way that most brokers do.  Should something happen to JB and/or the show, I don't think any of them have any experience as commercial or residential real estate agents in the usual sense and I don't think brokerages would be interested in employing them nor do I think any of them have the slightest notion as to how to do the work required of an actual licensed broker.  I think it is a stretch to think the license itself makes them employable.

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crazy8s

crazy8s

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3 hours ago, Temperance said:

Does Joe have any listings?

not that I have seen - he was the seller's agent listed on grandma mary's house and another property this year had him listed. not sure on this, but caldwells maybe were the buyers, Pickles had they bought a property Joe and kendra owned. again, no idea if their is truth to that. other than that nothing from Joe and nothing from JB as far as listings

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Zella

Zella

41 minutes ago, dargosmydaddy said:

Or about to wink!

What is it with the Duggars taking posed photos in weedy fields? It looks itchy and buggy.

Oh rest assured, that is a very dumb move this time of year in Northwest Arkansas. I am perpetually perplexed by why they do this. Like, they'd have to be eaten alive by ticks and chiggers every single time. 

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Jynnan tonnix

Jynnan tonnix

3 hours ago, ouinason said:

My dad had a lazy eye that was corrected through wearing glasses when he was young.  That doesn't always work though.

Back in my day, lazy eyes were generally corrected by wearing a patch on the stronger eye until the lazy one compensated. I have no idea how well that worked, but I knew a few kids my age who had them back when I was in elementary school in England.

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Barb23

Barb23

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I think I remember hearing Kendra explain they got help (chiropractor?) to correct Garrett's lazy neck (not sure what you call it) when he was an infant and it seems to have worked. At least someone noticed something was wrong (besides us) & they had it fixed. Hopefully it will be the same for Addison's eye. 

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GeeGolly

GeeGolly

1 hour ago, Quof said:

Letting a chiropractor touch a child's neck warrants an investigation from Child Protection Services.  

There'd be a lot of investigations then. Although I never have, I know a few parents who brought their kids to chiropractors and I've heard stories of others who have too. And for things like ear infections, rashes, walking late, etc. Very crazy, but true!

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Zella

Zella

2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

There'd be a lot of investigations then. Although I never have, I know a few parents who brought their kids to chiropractors and I've heard stories of others who have too. And for things like ear infections, rashes, walking late, etc. Very crazy, but true!

The sound you hear is just my brain breaking. I wouldn't bring my theoretical kid to a chiropractor, but I could sort of see the reasoning behind, like, a teenager with some sort of back pain or whatever going to a chiropractor. But a rash? Or an ear infection? Oy vey. 

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sleepysuzy

sleepysuzy

I went to a chiropractor as a kid, and I have taken my own children as well. I also take them to regular pediatricians and various specialists (pulmonologist, psychiatrist, gastroenterologist) and get all of their vaccinations. I think chiropractic care gets a bad rap because it is popular among the antivax/essential-oils-cure-everything set, but it has a valid place, too, much like midwifery. 

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