S07.E11: Hostiles and Calamities

[MVFrostsMyPie]

Uh... yeah I got nothing. But this episode did remind me I had pickles in the fridge and I hate half of an entire jar. 

3 hours ago, Raven1707 said:

Pretty sure Sherry is still alive.

Yeah, she's just juggling her marriage with Negan and a $10 million marriage contract with some Hollywood dude over on The Arrangement. 

[Slovenly Muse]

3 hours ago, Cheetosandchoc said:

I thought Dwight set the doctor up so Neegan wouldn't have any doubts.

 

3 hours ago, Raven1707 said:

Good point, but he was clearly annoyed by Carson pontificating about Sherry.

Yeah, it's both of these, I think. Sherry's totally alive. Dwight was trying to protect her. As Neegan said, if Sherry really had let Daryl go (which she did), Neegan would have hunted her down as long as it took and killed her. By shifting the blame to the Doc (who sparked Dwight's ire with his attitude towards Sherry's situation), he cleared Sherry's name, and now Neegan thinks she ran because she was afraid he would blame her, not because she actually did it, thereby saving her from being pursued and possibly saving her from execution if she DOES get recaptured. It's probably the last thing Dwight will ever be able to do to help her, which makes it almost sweet, apart from the unfortunate immolation of the doctor.

[Happy Harpy]

I decided to spare my eyes, my brain, and my patience, and skip this one as soon as I saw the promo. Nothing and no one at Negan and Nazis' remotely interests me, and I'm afraid I don't care much about Eugene. I'm more curious about the ratings than about reading a recap. Did people fall back into their watching habits, did the first two episodes of 7-B mellow them or did many tune out like in 7-A? Dun, dun, dun.

[thuganomics85]

Well, I give them credit: if you are airing an episode opposite of the Oscars, you might as well have be focused on Eugene, Dwight, and, yep, fucking Negan, and not bother with any of the characters that I care about.  If anything, that's the smart call!

That said, I do kind of like the idea of seeing Eugene actually not resist and totally be down with the whole "I am Negan" thing, not because he truly believes it, but he knows that is what it will take to survive at this place.  Cowardly, sure, but it fits with Eugene.  He has his moments of bravery, but for the most part, he's always been about protecting himself, and I can see why he has decided to do this, as oppose to agreeing with his wives, and it ends up blowing back on them, if they failed.

The stuff with Dwight though just bored me.  I could care less about him and Sherry, and it is obvious that Sherry isn't dead and will be back somewhere down the line.  Sucks that the doctor had to pay for it thanks to Dwight's manipulations (show is really making Negan kind of come off dumb, which I'm not sure is the intent here), but that's just the life of a Savior!

Next week looks fun though.

[millennium]

I'm about halfway through this episode.   Is there any reason to keep watching?   This is boring as hell.

[nachomama]

Ok so when Eugene falls back on the genius/genome project story and does experiments for the ladies what exactly did Eugene do before the apocalypse? He isn't stupid but he isn't genius either. Did he just read a lot? And Negan knows he wasn't a medical doctor right? Don't kill your doctor unless you have a backup doctor. 

Akd I do think Eugene is biding time. Not entirely cowardly but gonna turn the tide in the future. *hope* 

[Artsda]

I guess the planned this boring episode that felt like filler to air opposite the Oscars.

[Nashville]

1 hour ago, Slovenly Muse said:

 

Yeah, it's both of these, I think. Sherry's totally alive. Dwight was trying to protect her. As Neegan said, if Sherry really had let Daryl go (which she did), Neegan would have hunted her down as long as it took and killed her. By shifting the blame to the Doc (who sparked Dwight's ire with his attitude towards Sherry's situation), he cleared Sherry's name, and now Neegan thinks she ran because she was afraid he would blame her, not because she actually did it, thereby saving her from being pursued and possibly saving her from execution if she DOES get recaptured. It's probably the last thing Dwight will ever be able to do to help her, which makes it almost sweet, apart from the unfortunate immolation of the doctor.

That, plus the doc was privy to the knowledge that Dwight was still sweet on Sherry - which, to Negan, translates to a lack of devotion to himself.  If Doc and Dwight ever had occasion to butt heads, Doc might use that information to throw shade Dwight's way - and Dwight's self-preservation gene is far too well-developed to leave any threat like that hanging over his head, no matter how remote.

[Tim Thomason]

Say what you will about Eugene, he consistently proved that he was the smartest man in the room in pretty much every scene in the episode. I've always been annoyed by the trope of people's pride or courage getting in the way of an easy out with simple phrases like "I am Negan" here (and seen in the earlier episodes with Daryl). Having Eugene instantly, and enthusiastically, skip the lengthy brainwashing was hilarious and greatly subverted expectations (although it is in character, of course). I just hope that it's another one of his famous lies, and Eugene hasn't actively changed loyalties.

The pill scenes were a little hard-to-swallow (npi), but I think he made the right call. He keeps the pills for a rainy day, but doesn't contribute to either a suicide or a potentially botched murder attempt. Both of which would almost certainly be pinned on him, Mr. Jack of All Trades new arrival. We actually saw him making the pills, so we know he was completely with the wives up until perhaps the point that the good Doctor met his grisly end.

Right now, all that Eugene has done is smelted some Zombies to a fence. We'll see what happens when he's ordered to construct something to negatively attack Alexandria (or anyone, I suppose). Will his survival instinct, like Dwight's, come at the cost of other people? Even those (previously?) close to him? I mean, Eugene was there when his closest friend Abraham got his head bashed in by Negan. I can't imagine that (despite what he says about the 30 or so friends of Negan) he would hold anything but the deepest of disdain and hatred for Negan.

This episode was good (imo), and fairly hilarious at points (Easy Street, locking the door), that I find it one of the more enjoyable eps this season. Unless my assessment of Eugene's inner thoughts is incorrect. Then my opinion of the episode will sour quite a bit.

[Save Yourself]

Before I read any comments I wanted to put a couple of my thoughts down:

How stupid is Negan to kill the doctor, even to the extent of saying he's replaceable - I think implying Dwight isn't?! I can't think of any profession that would be more vital in the brave new world, you'd do anything to protect anyone with medical training. 

Just read the AV Club review and the reviewer thought that this episode showed Eugene turning traitor? I thought he was just going with the program (as Daryl should have done) to avoid you know, being beaten to death with a baseball bat (makes sense to me! I'd be 'Negan' too!). Will be interested to read what y'all have to say.  ?

[GreyBunny]

CDB treated him like crap, calling him coward because he couldn't fight and was often afraid to try (not everyone can be a warrior). They never honestly appreciated the knowledge and skills he did have, which are considerable.  He gets to the sanctuary and from day one they know he has useful skills, he's given status, and treated with respect.  I don't blame him one bit if he decides to stick with the Sanctuary.

He digs Easy Street, that was cute.

1 hour ago, nachomama said:

what exactly did Eugene do before the apocalypse?

I think he was a high school science teacher.

[Save Yourself]

50 minutes ago, Tim Thomason said:

Say what you will about Eugene, he consistently proved that he was the smartest man in the room in pretty much every scene in the episode. . Having Eugene instantly, and enthusiastically, skip the lengthy brainwashing was hilarious and greatly subverted expectations (although it is in character, of course). I just hope that it's another one of his famous lies, and Eugene hasn't actively changed loyalties.

The pill scenes were a little hard-to-swallow (npi), but I think he made the right call. He keeps the pills for a rainy day, but doesn't contribute to either a suicide or a potentially botched murder attempt. Both of which would almost certainly be pinned on him, Mr. Jack of All Trades new arrival. We actually saw him making the pills, so we know he was completely with the wives up until perhaps the point that the good Doctor met his grisly end.

Right now, all that Eugene has done is smelted some Zombies to a fence. We'll see what happens when he's ordered to construct something to negatively attack Alexandria (or anyone, I suppose). Will his survival instinct, like Dwight's, come at the cost of other people? Even those (previously?) close to him? I mean, Eugene was there when his closest friend Abraham got his head bashed in by Negan. I can't imagine that (despite what he says about the 30 or so friends of Negan) he would hold anything but the deepest of disdain and hatred for Negan.

This episode was good (imo), and fairly hilarious at points (Easy Street, locking the door), that I find it one of the more enjoyable eps this season. Unless my assessment of Eugene's inner thoughts is incorrect. Then my opinion of the episode will sour quite a bit.

I agree with everything you've said, particularly the bolded part. I didn't think Daryl was brace for not pretending to accept his position in Negan's world, I just thought he was a bloody idiot. It would have been a lot easier for him to bust out of there if he hadn't still been locked up AND he could have provided intel to CDB. Take a stand if you're being told to do something actually reprehensible but saying a few words and acting the part? Pfft, just do it already!

[Iguessnot]

I rather enjoyed this episode, but I like Eugene. Even Negan didn't annoy me to much.  Just a few random notes:

1. Red headed dude is trying to meet up with Eugene. I wonder what that's about and why would he immediately trusting of Eugene?

2. I'm glad Eugene saw through the wives' plot. Even if the stuff was actually for the other girl, Eugene would be implicated in her sudden death.

3. It would be logical to assume Dwight implicated the doctor because someone was going to pay for Sherri not being brought back, but I don't think the show connected the dots there. All we had was Dwight side eyeing the doc over comments that i did not find insulting so Dwight looks totally unsympathetic and his reasons unknown.

[millennium]

Eugene reminded me of Lloyd Henreid from The Stand, the hapless criminal who appears destined to die of starvation in a locked jail cell until Randall Flag saves him and makes him swear eternal loyalty.   After that, Lloyd became an important man in Flagg's organization, much as Eugene has in Negan's.   There's a bit of Trashcan Man about Eugene too.

Did we really need ANOTHER Negan-burns-a-guy scene?   Really?   Is JDM's one-note acting so cornball and ineffective that we require refresher doses of torture porn to remind us that Negan is, to borrow a phrase, "a really bad dude?"

The Fonzie jacket and baseball bat are starting to look pretty foolish as well.   I think if Carol ever confronted him she would just bust out laughing in his face at the whole get-up, then take him down with a few withering observations.

Perhaps the only thing worse than this watching this episode again would be sitting and listening to Chris Hardwick tongue-bath this episode. 

Edited February 27, 2017 by millennium

[Bryce Lynch]

I would rather be forced to listen to an endless loop of "Easy Street" than be forced to sit through yet another tedious Neagan episode.

[JackONeill]

9 hours ago, mishap said:

I am so mad at this show for making think that something might actually happen, and I come back every week, hoping that this is the episode.  Another boring tedious episode.  But I will watch next week's episode too .    I am sucked into it too far now to give up on it.   I really wish I could. 

The reality is, nothing is going to change until Negan is killed. And that, I am afraid is a LONG way off. Long as in next season. Until then, it's just to be little incremental gains for Team Rick, plus some setbacks. 

I would normally say that we should buckle up our setbealts because it's going to be a wild and woolly ride. But I am afraid it's not. So, go ahead: keep your seatbealts unfastened and feel free to move about the cabin.

[ghoulina]

Aaaaaand the filler episodes begin. They obviously want to save the big showdown with Negan for the finale, so they're going to have to find a lot of ways to stall out. I know, how about a bunch of standalone episodes filled with character development and nothing happening? Yay! 

Okay, this is not a new concept. And some shows are able to handle these kind of pacing issues fairly well. Others aren't ratings slaves who want to save all their big moments for finales, or mid-season finales. This show actually used to be one. See Lori dying in episode 3. At any rate, if you're going to do filler, don't just phone it in. Make those episodes just as great as the BIG moments. These guys? They don't even bother anymore. 

And, once again, they seem intent on ruining the characters I like. I really liked Eugene for awhile there. I tend to enjoy the characters who aren't your typical badasses, but have something important to offer the group. And Negan did kind of make a good point - why wasn't Rick/ASZ utilizing Eugene's smarts more? But anyhow, now Eugene seems a like a traitor and I just don't give a shit about him anymore. Yes, I know, I know....it's quite possible he's pretending for the time being. But I just don't know. He seemed way too happy just playing video games and eating pickles. 

What it boils down to is - Eugene is a coward who will never change. And I think that's really poor development (or lack thereof) on the writers' part. Because previously they seemed to be taking him in a different direction. Saving Tara. Offering to be the diversion when they were trying to get Maggie to Hilltop. Admitting he made the bullet to save Rosita. It seemed like Eugene was finally growing a pair and willing to step outside of his comfort zone to help his people. But now that he's been given this community with a terrifying leader and a cozy apartment, it's like - this is what I've been waiting for. No fine lines. No grey areas. I'm Negan and I'm happy to do whatever the fuck you want for the safety that this giant band of psychopaths gives me. What a tool. 

If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but he just seems to feel way too at home there. 

And all that shit with Negan's wives and Beth 2.0 being suicidal, blah blah blah. So boring. 

I have to admit, I'm actually a lot more interested in Dwight's story than Eugene's. Sherry doesn't really do much for me, but I find myself oddly drawn to Dwight. The part with the beer and the pretzels was the one part this episode I actually enjoyed. I thought that was cute. But his whole journey to find Sherry just opens up plot so many of those plot holes that have been plaguing me for a few seasons now. Why are the other wives so suicidal and miserable if Sherry was able to leave that easily? And if people are given free reign like Dwight, to leave the compound, why haven't some of them just taken off by now? If you get a good jump and just go and go and go, you could probably get away. I mean, how far as Negan and his henchmen going to chase you? All the way across America? Head west. Travel at night. Take backroads. It can't be that hard. 

That's what I would have done if I were ASZ/CDB. Just load up your shit right after a Negan visit and get the fuck out of there. 

Negan continues to grate. I spend the entire time he's on screen just hoping his back will break in half and that will be the end of him. 

[Haleth]

I can't stand any time Negan shows up but I have to admit to enjoying seeing Eugene try to fit in.  When he started grabbing random things to claim I was howling.  He did great, falling so convincingly back into Dr Human Genome Eugene.  I don't see him making any risky moves to kill Negan or get himself out of the Sanctuary, but if he can continue to snow everyone around him into thinking he's a brilliant scientist it might be kind of amusing.

However Dwight is still boring and in no way a sympathetic shlub.  

While Negan thought Eugene's idea of pouring molten metal over the zombies was brilliant, I was thinking it was just the opposite.  How dangerous is a zombie encased in metal, bonded to the fence?  

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Why are the other wives so suicidal and miserable if Sherry was able to leave that easily?

She wasn't suicidal.  They wanted to kill Negan with the pills.

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And if people are given free reign like Dwight, to leave the compound, why haven't some of them just taken off by now? If you get a good jump and just go and go and go, you could probably get away. I mean, how far as Negan and his henchmen going to chase you? All the way across America? Head west. Travel at night. Take backroads. It can't be that hard. 

Dwight and Sherry did try.  They were found and Dwight got his face ironed for the effort.  That would be a pretty scary deterrent if you don't have the means to survive.

Edited February 27, 2017 by Haleth

[ghoulina]

4 hours ago, Save Yourself said:

How stupid is Negan to kill the doctor, even to the extent of saying he's replaceable - I think implying Dwight isn't?! I can't think of any profession that would be more vital in the brave new world, you'd do anything to protect anyone with medical training. 

Yea, do they have another doctor just sitting around in some apartment, twiddling his thumbs and waiting for his chance? Doctors sure as hell aren't replaceable. CDB has struggled to keep one. They've had a vet and a psychiatrist. Was Dr. Ben a true medical MD? Dr. Carson was, but into the fire with you. I like the character of Dwight, but from Negan's standpoint, I'm not sure what makes him so special. Unless he keeps him around just to torment him, and death would be too easy. 

[BetyBee]

Based on the one shot of Eugene almost smirking for the camera, I think he's playing Negan, just like Dwight is.  They will team up to overthrow Negan.  And the suicide pills will be part of their plot.  Just speculation, but I do think the writers want Eugene to ultimately be a hero for CDB.  I think we are meant to root for Dwight too, but that's a little tougher.  Incidentally, I don't think there's any way Negan wouldn't demand proof that Dwight killed Sherry.  I find setting up the doctor to be pretty far fetched, even for this show.  Though doctors do have a short shelf life in the ZA for some reason.  

[bosawks]

Negan's resting smirk face just makes me want to spit nails.

His non-resting smirk face makes me want to drive a nail through his tongue......

[Lady Iris]

I am firmly on the do whatever it takes to survive bandwagon for Eugene. He's not Braveheart warrior brave but he's got the brains and lots of cunning to outwit the Saviors. No way is he forgetting about Abraham. Nuh uh. I'll walk barefoot through a roomful of legos if that happens.

Edited February 27, 2017 by Lady Iris
Grammar matters.

[Jel]

I liked this episode, and I thought it was an important one for story telling/plausibility.  It showed the brutishness and unpredictability of Negan, and it showed the untrustworthiness of the individual Saviors -- no one is loyal and you never know how, why or in which manner you will be sold out. That combination of things better explains the environment they are living in and goes a little way to explain why none of them have ever just got together to kill Negan in his sleep. The show does need to explain that I think, and tonight's episode did.

I think Eugene is an interesting character and I would like to know his back story.  In Saviorville he feels safe, and he is respected and valued -- and that's more than he ever got from Rick and co. He's a weak man who gets a little power and it immediately goes to his head; the bullied becomes the bully. I think it actually makes sense that he would join the Saviors for those reasons, but, ultimately, I don't think the show is going to go that way. 

[diebartdie]

OK, couple things......Negan decided to go on and murder the on-site physician because, due to Eugene's babbling, he believes Eugene to also be a physician. Now the babbling Im referring to annoyed me to no end and here's why (I freely admit, this is the nit pickiest of nits) ... Eugene babbled that he had a PhD in something and another PhD in something else and that he had "completed doctoral work and was also a medical doctor" or something to that effect. I suppose the average person might not be aware that a person holding a PhD in ANY field has completed doctoral work and that "D" indicates that they are indeed a doctor. A physician may OR MAY NOT have a DOCTORAL degree. Not ALL physicians are doctors but EVERYONE who has completed their doctoral course work and successfully defended their thesis is a doctor. I guess its a small thing but it gets right up my damn nose!

Now having got that off my chest ... I realize the show is setting up Eugene to pull the ol' switcheroo and really come through for CBD but honestly,

49 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

now that he's been given this community with a terrifying leader and a cozy apartment, it's like - this is what I've been waiting for. No fine lines. No grey areas. I'm Negan and I'm happy to do whatever the fuck you want for the safety that this giant band of psychopaths gives me.

is pretty plausible as well.

Edited February 27, 2017 by diebartdie
completed a thought

[JackONeill]

Speaking of PhDs, we don't really know Negan's backstory, do we? And I'm not saying I want it. But wouldn't it be funny if he had been a librarian?!?! That would explain why he's so damned talkative...now.

Edited February 27, 2017 by JackONeill

[TattleTeeny]

I liked the episode well enough but what I am confused by is why Negan would believe that Sherry would refer to the doctor as "honey" (or why Dwight believes that Negan believes that). 

I'm liking the ambiguity about what Eugene is up to--I feel like there were enough hints going in both directions that it could go either way. 

Edited February 27, 2017 by TattleTeeny

[Anela]

I have to leave the house, and was watching as I was getting ready. All I have to say right now is what I've said all along: fuck this guy!!! I was expecting that (I haven't watched the end - just up to the guy being thrown into the fire), but damn. And just as I was sympathizing with Dwight again. I know he was trying to protect his wife, but that's cold. 

[nodorothyparker]

I surprisingly didn't hate this one.  Which I realize is quite the bar for a show to be setting.  Sure, I'm as tired as anyone of Negan yammering on and on while contorting into half back bends before doing something Terrible just in case we missed the first dozen times the show has indicated that he is indeed Terrible, but Eugene's portion of events was curiously interesting.

I don't for a moment believe he's gone over the Dark Side as some reviewers like the AV Club seem to think as much as I think he was reading the room, realizing the cavalry isn't coming, and concluding he might as well be pragmatic about his new situation for the time being.   The last time he saw Rick and crew they were mostly still cowering in the street in Alexandria and hadn't done a damn thing about the much more valuable to them Daryl being taken, so why would expect any rescue from them?  For all he knows, they could have provoked a situation that got them all killed since then.  He's there in the first place because he let Rosita bully him into making a bullet for her, and they as a group certainly haven't shown much inclination to value his particular skill set. They've mostly gone the opposite route and minimized or ridiculed his ability to survive on brains instead of sheer brute strength or ax wielding skills.  So it's not unreasonable for him to think he's entirely on his own.  He's smart enough to know that if he takes on Negan or his henchmen directly, he can't expect to win.  If playing along means he gets to live a reasonably comfortable for the post ZA geek's paradise with girls and video game AND junk food where he isn't being force fed dog food or having his head bashed in, he might as well do that while he studies how everything works and considers his options.   His making the poison pills but refusing to hand them over as he realized he was being played and how that might rebound back on him was a great example of this.  He still has the pills if it should come to that.

It's actually a pretty provocative statement on survival from a show that usually insists that Rick's way is the only right way to survive.    But then this entire season so far has been full of statements like that where we've watched Rick and crew be their usual self-righteous, sometimes belligerent and reactionary selves and get smacked down time and time again while people who are finding other avenues aren't locked in a box naked in their own filth eating Alpo or rolling around in trash possibly contracting tetanus fighting a garbage walker because no one else is willing to sign up for a likely red shirt mission.  We know of course that they'll win in the end but the show isn't exactly giving a ringing endorsement of Rick's methods by painting a flattering portrait at the moment.

I could barely follow all the stuff with Dollar Store Daryl (gold star for whoever coined that) and the suddenly expendable flammable doctor.  I just don't care.

[Vyk]

On ‎2‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 8:38 PM, ShadowSixx said:

IDK if writers are trying to make Dwight sympathetic but it just doesn't work. He's not sympathetic, he's just an asshole.

 

On ‎2‎/‎26‎/‎2017 at 8:44 PM, Bluegirl547 said:

He definitely didn't deserve to die over that. The show keeps trying to humanize Dwight and have the audience root for him, but then they make him do something awful for no good reason. I'm baffled.

I go back and forth on Dwight.  We get bits and pieces of what his and Sherry's past was like, and I do sympathize with him.  It's clear as day he's in a situation in which he doesn't want to be, and I do feel some pity for him over that.  (Only Simon, Arat, Laura, and the two douchebags who beat up Aaron seem happy to be working for Negan.)  But then, as said above, he says or does something completely terrible, and I'm back to hating him again.  The first time, we learned of his and Sherry's situation, and I sympathized with him right up until his next appearance, when he got very smarmy with Rosita.  Then, I hated him again.  This week, I feel for him after getting another slight look into his past with Sherry.  But then, he sets up Dr. Carson, and I again feel no pity for him.

That said, I do think he only expected Negan to give him the iron, not throw him in the fire.  He looked just as shocked and horrified as Eugene and the wives all did.

Edited March 1, 2017 by Vyk

[Primetimer]

Science smartness is repaid handsomely when Eugene makes a home with The Saviors.

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[MV007]

I kind of liked this episode.  I liked seeing Negan's wives because we finally met someone in that camp that wanted to kill Negan and was willing to try something.  And I liked their interaction with Eugene.  It was the first time I ever cared what happened with Eugene.

On the other hand, I'm tired of the show trying to build up empathy for Dwight only to have him do something awful at the end of the episode.  I knew it was coming so I never felt bad for him when he went looking for Sherry.  In fact, what I really wanted was for Sherry to find Darryl and hook up with him in some shack only to have Dwight find them and then Darryl put a bullet in his head.

[walnutqueen]

I take it none of Neegan's wives ever watched the ID Channel?  Because - antifreeze in his iced tea, ladies!

[TigerLynx]

I don't know if Eugene is trying to play secret agent man, or is just a coward, but the speed with which he said, "I'm Negan.  I'm completely Negan.  I was Negan before I ever met you," or something along those lines, made me laugh.  I wonder if Eugene holds the record of quickest person to jump on the Negan band wagon ever.

I believe the problem with Negan and the Saviors is the same one that plagued the hospital and Governor SLs.  They drag on to long, and it doesn't help when the writers decide to throw in SLs and devote entire episode to characters that are third tier at best.  I so do not care about Dwight.

[AngelaHunter]

10 hours ago, ShellsandCheese said:

I'm over this Neegan story and I'm done with Dwight and that whole crew. Can't they all just die? What the heck is up with these people? They are all so cowardly and disgusting -- I can't even feel sorry for them anymore.

That's one thing, among many, that TPTB don't seem to "get" about good storytelling. If no one in that story has any redeeming features whatsoever, then the audience won't care anything about them and if they don't care about them, they have no interest in what happens to them = boredom, something no storyteller (or television producer) wants. Disinterest makes people stop watching. I watched a movie called "The Perfect Storm" a true and tragic story but everyone in the movie was so unlikable I didn't care that they all died.

10 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

WTF was all that shit in Sherry's letter about Dwight having a bad memory and can't remember shit from one day to the next. What is he freaking Memento now?  I really don't want nor need to know Dwight like that. 

I bet not one person on the planet wanted or needed to know that. I saw all the reams of writing and heard the piano, and now I'm glad I FF-ed the whole thing.

10 hours ago, CletusMusashi said:

I think watching him use his mulletude of charms on Negan's harem is the most fun you can have outside of The Kingdom. But if I were Eugene, I'd like to go a little bit further sexually than "playing videogames."

Eugene is so totally a virgin who must dearly miss his internet porn.

[Uncle Benzene]

Welp. "Everything Right Is Wrong Again" might very well have been the single most awesome thing that's ever happened on The Walking Dead.

So we've got that going for us.

[Door]

I do not care about Dwight. I do not care about Sherry. I do not care about Dwight and Sherry, whether they are together or apart. I AM happy we finally touched base with Eugene. I believe he's still Team CDB even though he really shouldn't be. They treat him like crap and don't use the skills he does have. I hope when they reunite they treat Eugene better.

...I don't really care about this story any more. It's all become so crap. That makes me sad.

[MVFrostsMyPie]

It would have been cool if some part of Negan's clothing got caught on the doctor so when he threw him in the fire, he'd get dragged in there too. 

[rmontro]

I thought it was pretty obvious that Dwight implicated the doctor just to protect his ex-wife, keep people from searching for her, and giving her a chance to get away.  Negan's not the type to let something like that happen without someone paying for it, so Dwight framed the doctor.  I'm surprised there have been so many questions about it.

They're trying to make Dwight sympathetic here, but wow that is a dirtbag thing to do.  Getting someone murdered in a horrible fashion is just not okay, even if your motivation is to protect someone you love.  I know TWD tries to show a lot of difficult moral predicaments, but that is pretty cold.

[Ocean Chick]

So this was a burner episode (see what I did there?) to use against the Oscars, eh?  Bore.  Ing.  Don't care about Negan.  Don't care about the Saviors.  Don't care about Sherry.  Don't care about Dwight.  And now that he caused the death of an innocent man (Dr. Carson)?  I hope Dwight dies a flaming death.  Slowly.  On a spit.  He can never be redeemed to me.

I'm hoping Eugene is playing a long con.  That's the only way he can be redeemed at this point.  I don't care about him enough to really worry about it though.  Which is sad, as I really like the actor. 

[JackONeill]

I think TPTB would be perfectly happy if the audience came to hate ALL the characters. I think the only thing that keeps them from doing that is push back from AMC. Both Rick and Daryl would be dead AFTER having gone completely maniacal. We would be left watching a show that would be about who is the worst of the worst. Ironing faces, clubbing heads, doctors flambe. Because all that is childishly cool.

[Timetoread]

Ok, listen.  I am reaching so deep inside myself to find the love I once had for this show, but so far it is still in hiding.  I simply can't with this drivel.  Negan would be so much more menacing if he didn't come across like a pre-tween Goosebumps bully.  What grown man walks around carrying a baseball bat 24/7?  In a world where you can be killed by zombies, men with guns, psychos with tanks, the common cold or starvation - are you really that scared of a dude with a bat?  Somebody truly menacing is somebody who you can SEE why people follow him, I was thinking something more like a cult figure than this one-note idiot.  Jim Jones on steroids (though the real JJ was plenty bad).

13 hours ago, EllenC said:

Yeah I don't get all the time spent on Dwight when we have characters like Rosita that we know so little about. Even Michonne feels neglected lately.

Honestly.  We've had ZERO Rosita backstory and only a dream sequence for Michonne - the Queen of the Apocalypse who apparently dropped out of the sky a full blown Samarai.  And maybe one day, someday, Carl will tell us how it feels to have no eyeball.  And Carol will stop boring me or commit suicide. Or Morgan will do the same.  Or FPP will throw off his collar and take up with a woman.  Or Shiva will find a male tiger, mate, and make cute little cgi cubs.  Anything.  ANYTHING other than this filler about meaningless new characters.

13 hours ago, Raven1707 said:

Pretty sure Sherry is still alive.

But do we care?  Let me answer that...

[LadyArcadia]

I actually liked this episode.  It was 1,000 better than last week's, which didn't even feel like the same show.  Last week was horrible!  I've always been more fond of the character episodes than the action packed ones and this was a good focus on Eugene's character.  I don't believe he's playing Negan. I believe, after getting beat down emotionally for years and treated like an idiot, that he truly feels respected now.  He has a purpose and people appreciate him for who he is. He's never had that before. He's the socially awkward nerd that has never been popular.  On top of that, bitch Rosita constantly insults him and bullies him.  He's now wanted and people love him for his strengths.  He's soaking it all in!

I don't blame him one bit.  He's got a pretty good set up.  It almost made me forget all the horrendous things Negan has done.  I had to keep reminding myself that he brutally murdered Abraham.  Which Eugene conveniently set aside for his own personal gain. 

I liked it, a lot.  Do more of this and less of the mad max garbage pail kids, please.

[Timetoread]

1 hour ago, Door said:

I AM happy we finally touched base with Eugene. I believe he's still Team CDB even though he really shouldn't be. They treat him like crap and don't use the skills he does have.

I really dislike Eugene.  They don't treat him like crap at all.  They feed and save his worthless behind and he has YET to pay them back for that.  I'm tired of watching his sniveling manchild schtick.  This storyline better culminate with him crippling the Saviors en masse so that all Rick needs to do is show up and shoot Negan (or feed him to Shiva) and call it a day.  Watching him play Atari, eat pickles, carry a stuffed animal in his pocket, and make science projects for giggling idiots made me feel passionate about my moniker - I should stop wasting time out of my life with this nonsense.  It is "Time to read."

[AngelaHunter]

40 minutes ago, JackONeill said:

Ironing faces, clubbing heads, doctors flambe. Because all that is childishly cool.

"Gross" is what teenaged boys find cool. Negan makes Nazis look compassionate. Did he become this diabolical monster, evil incarnate, in two years? Does every bad guy on this show have to be successively the most evil person in the history of the world, yet Negan has a whole bunch of followers who would stand there and watch him throw someone as all-important as a doctor into a fire to be burned alive for the capital crime of... letting Daryl go.  Do we need to be bashed over the head as Glenn was every time to make us "get it?"

At least with the Governor, his followers were blissfully ignorant. They didn't have to kneel, had no idea what he was really like and he was given some shreds of humanity, a few different facets to his character, unlike the totally one-dimensional Negan, who doesn't even seem human.

[Dobian]

A few other observations.  One, TWD has the worst soundtrack of any show I've ever watched.  I cringe whenever music starts playing on this show.  Nobody in the post-ZA has any musical taste.  And Eugene makes a good little Nazi, just as I expected.  I do enjoy his self-awareness that he is a total coward who is only interested in food, video games, and self-preservation.  This episode makes me appreciate how truly pathetic the Saviors really are, allowing their whole reason for existence to be to fuel the huge ego of this epic douchebag.  Just...lame.

Edited February 27, 2017 by Dobian

[festivus]

I'm not ready to hate Eugene yet and I don't think I will even if he has fallen in with Negan. Eugene has always been about self preservation and has many times said he is a coward. Even so, he tried to overcome by helping Tara and Rosita. Not everybody is meant to be some bad-ass zombie fighter. Don't think that the group value him, but they should have, he has other skills that could benefit them. I think the only people that cared about him are Tara, Abraham and maybe Glenn, and two out of the three are gone. 

 

On another note, I'm so sick of Negan the idiot and his damn bat. He has no layers at all, I understood Gareth the cannibal better than I do him. How stupid do you have to be to kill your doctor over something like Daryl escaping? Seriously, he can not be dead soon enough for me. I HATE this storyline.

[Yolapukka]

14 hours ago, Mu Shu said:

But what even is the point of the fence bolted walkers, robo copped up or no?  You would have to try to stick a body part in their mouth to get injured.     they are useless.

boring.  And I'm good and sick of the harem bunch.  

Maybe that was the point? Perhaps Eugene was giving Negan the illusion of something badass and scary when in reality he has made the walkers on the fence less of a threat. At least before applying the metal finish they could grab and had a range of motion with their heads. I'm probably giving Eugene too much credit for strategic thinking, most likely, he was just pulling something out of his ass in the moment so he had something to present to Negan that would impress the yappy idiot.

Edited February 27, 2017 by yuggapukka

[mrspidey]

14 hours ago, Bluegirl547 said:

I'm so confused. Why did Dwight set up the doctor?

Because he's a coward. That was the point of the last scene. Two cowards on the balustrade. 

[AngelaHunter]

1 hour ago, Timetoread said:

I really dislike Eugene.  They don't treat him like crap at all.  They feed and save his worthless behind and he has YET to pay them back for that.

This is true. He sucks up resources and gives little back, just like Morgan, except unlike Morgan he at least doesn't judge and sermonize to the others that all life is precious, disapproving of their methods and actions even as they're saving HIS worthless ass and feeding him.

[3jt]

Mr. jt is not a fan, and only catches glimpses of the show when I'm watching and he can't escape, when seeing Negan said he looks like a combination of Bowser and Anthony Bourdain.  I laughed so hard and even gave him a high five! He also pointed out that he doesn't understand why people would follow someone like him. He really is not a threat by himself, so why would anyone allow him to be such a douchewaffle?

I am really hoping that Eugene is setting himself up to be okay incase this is indeed where he will spend the rest of his days- he knows that CDB is totally out numbered and has witnessed innocent people dying just for dipshit to make a point without any push back from Rick.

I still love the show- have never read the comics, so am free to just accept what I am shown. I would be very bored if the show were just a bunch of people fighting Zombies every episode. YMMV :O)