Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[Sew Sumi]

 

[Barb23]

On 1/1/2020 at 9:01 PM, jcbrown said:

It's nice to see Joy so seemingly besotted with her little 

Aww, he is a cutie. I love that age.

[Aunt Catfish]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

 

Are those pine floors that Gideon is standing on?   His Dad must appreciate them as much as my husband did in his construction work.  I also have fond memories of knotty pine.  Early on my family had a full kitchen made of it.  I sincerely hope that little Gideon enjoys his rare time (in his family) of being an only child.  My little sister came along over three years after me, but she had serious health problems (not exactly in the special needs area) that plagued her all her life.  My late father confessed to my husband that he felt that I may have been neglected because of this.  My mother also said recently that my sister's ill health was hard on me because my parent's attention may have been more focused on her.  On looking at that picture of Joy and Gideon, there is a sadness in her eyes.  I wouldn't wish what she has been through on anybody.  Seems it has made her appreciate her son.  Quality over quantity?  You Be The Judge!

[Growsonwalls]

Gideon is so adorable. What a cutie. 

[xwordfanatik]

To me, it looks like Joy and Austin dote on Gideon as much as JinJer dote on Felicity.  I hope the fact that Joy and Austin had doubts about the way they were raised means that they denounced any idea of that blanket training crap.  Giddy seems to be very happy and much loved.

[cmr2014]

57 minutes ago, xwordfanatik said:

To me, it looks like Joy and Austin dote on Gideon as much as JinJer dote on Felicity.  I hope the fact that Joy and Austin had doubts about the way they were raised means that they denounced any idea of that blanket training crap.  Giddy seems to be very happy and much loved.

I hope you're right, but I think it's wishful thinking.

Remember the video of J'chelle chasing after Spurgeon and admonishing him to "obey?" Obedience is super-important to J'chelle, and I think that includes her adult children obeying as well. If she thinks blanket training is great, her daughters should think that, too. There is no room for anything like an "opinion" in Duggar-land.

If I recall correctly, Austin's family appeared on a show called something like "The Strictest Parents in America." While he and Joy may have gone through periods of questioning, they have said more recently that they see nothing wrong with the methods that their parents used (aka blanket training).

It's possible to love your children and be a strict parent, too. It's also possible to be a strict parent without being a sadist or a control freak -- it's just a space where it's a lot easier to hide and pretend that you're not enjoying dishing out "discipline." Joy only has one child right now, and he's barely a toddler. I hope that they're still no signs of blanket training once he starts to show a little independence.

[JustRosie]

8 hours ago, farmgal4 said:

In a nutshell, can you tell me how Lauren acted when she first met Ivy?  I don’t watch the show.  Thank you!

She was holding Ivy in Jessa’s hospital room and speaking to the camera, crying and talking about Asa’s due date etc. She was probably responding to the producer’s questions. However, an adult would have answered the producer’s questions by saying they were happy for Bin/Jessa and what a beautiful baby they had (and then cried in private where nobody had to see it). Instead, Lauren talked about herself and cried. 

[awaken]

Has anyone asked joy if they follow the pearls’ methods?

[Temperance]

3 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

I hope you're right, but I think it's wishful thinking.

Remember the video of J'chelle chasing after Spurgeon and admonishing him to "obey?" Obedience is super-important to J'chelle, and I think that includes her adult children obeying as well. If she thinks blanket training is great, her daughters should think that, too. There is no room for anything like an "opinion" in Duggar-land.

If I recall correctly, Austin's family appeared on a show called something like "The Strictest Parents in America." While he and Joy may have gone through periods of questioning, they have said more recently that they see nothing wrong with the methods that their parents used (aka blanket training).

It's possible to love your children and be a strict parent, too. It's also possible to be a strict parent without being a sadist or a control freak -- it's just a space where it's a lot easier to hide and pretend that you're not enjoying dishing out "discipline." Joy only has one child right now, and he's barely a toddler. I hope that they're still no signs of blanket training once he starts to show a little independence.

I hope they don't resort to blanket training if they have more children and the family size grows less manageable. It's easy to be lenient when you have one or two kids. A lot of fundies and even normal people use discipline to cope with the strains of having a large family or even too many little kids close in age. 

[Nysha]

Austin defended his parents hosting the Pearls at their camp, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll use Pearl's methods. I have no doubt that Gideon is disciplined by having his hands smacked and will be spanked as he gets older, but that doesn't mean he's going to be beaten with rods until his spirit is broken.

 

[Albanyguy]

9 hours ago, awaken said:

Has anyone asked joy if they follow the pearls’ methods?

The Pearls are a sore subject with the Duggars. I think it’s more than likely that Jim Bob and Michelle blanket trained at least the first six or seven kids, but they have never acknowledged it or said anything that could be considered an endorsement of the Pearls. They’re smart enough to realize that talking about beating your kids would be taking “we do things a little differently” too far for most of their fans. That whack job Zuzanna Anderson, who brags about beating her kids because Jesus wants her to, has called the Duggars out for refusing to acknowledge that they beat theirs.

At some point, the Duggars stopped the blanket training. It’s been speculated that it stopped after Michelle had her laundry room breakdown, but I think they only stopped when the TLC crew moved in to start filming them.

If Joy or any of the other Duggars kids are into using the Pearls methods, I don’t think they’d admit it.

Edited January 4, 2020 by Albanyguy

[GeeGolly]

8 hours ago, Nysha said:

Austin defended his parents hosting the Pearls at their camp, but that doesn't necessarily mean he'll use Pearl's methods. I have no doubt that Gideon is disciplined by having his hands smacked and will be spanked as he gets older, but that doesn't mean he's going to be beaten with rods until his spirit is broken.

 

I believe there's a post of Austin's somewhere defending blanket training. However I agree that we don't know how they're disciplining their own child and we don't know if they would blanket train the exact way the Pearls have taught.

And kids need to be disciplined and not every form of discipline works the same way with each child. But even now they should be saying no to Giddy and removing him or distracting him from dangerous situations or behaviors like hitting and biting.

The reason I think JB and M stopped blanket training is because it takes time and commitment. The only thing JB and M were committed to over the years was procreating. Blanket training involves sitting infants on a blanket and striking them with an object when they do what comes instinctively - crawl. I believe as the child ages, not only are they hit, they are then instructed to do something like run and touch the doorknob three times, to display instant obedience. Michelle couldn't be bothered to put her kid in a high chair to feed them so I doubt she invested that much time in disciplining her kids.

Most parents discipline when something happens, they don't set their kids up to be disciplined.

I think all of the Duggar 19 are strict parents and I'm guessing they all use a combination of spanking and timeouts. Whether they use rods or objects to hit their kids or punish them when a behavior occurs throughout the day or set their kids up to catch them misbehaving is a whole other thing.

One could argue that insisting young children learn to recite phrases, passages and such, and performing them on demand is a form of discipline.

Jill and Derick learned what happens when one shares their discipline 'techniques'. I doubt any of the Duggar 19 will make the same mistake other than maybe a quick pic of a kid in a timeout chair.

[BigBingerBro]

In one of the early Duggar specials, there was a scence where one of the little boys was acting up, whining and crying.  Michelle went to the boy and bent over him and was filmed speaking very strongly to him.  Of course we don't know what she said due to the voiceover/editing, but whatever is was the kid snapped into submission.  So whether they stopped blanket training or not, I believe they always employed some pretty serious discipline. 

Then there was the time when Michelle was announcing to the family that she was pregnant again, and Josiah reacted quite emotionally and tried to escape the situation.  JB grabbed him and nearly held him in a headlock so he couldn't get away.   Who knows what other punishment he endured after that one! 

[floridamom]

BigBingerBro, I remember both of those scenes.

I think Michelle may have quit blanket training her children after the show because chances increased that she would be 'caught' doing it.

[Minivanessa]

2 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

The Pearls are a sore subject with the Duggars. I think it’s more than likely that Jim Bob and Michelle blanket trained at least the first six or seven kids, but they have never acknowledged it or said anything that could be considered an endorsement of the Pearls.

Actually, they have. Including a 2011 "Amazon blitz" where they promoted the Pearls' book on their website. Deets here: http://thewartburgwatch.com/2014/04/30/the-duggars-promote-bill-gothard-and-the-pearls/

But yes they seem to have STFU about the Pearls in recent years.

Edited January 4, 2020 by Jeeves

[dargosmydaddy]

In the leaked police report after the Josh incident, the last kid who was interviewed (names redacted, but it appears to be a boy, maybe Joe?), answers that JB and Michelle spanked all the kids with a "rod."

[Albanyguy]

22 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

Actually, they have. Including a 2011 "Amazon blitz" where they promoted the Pearls' book on their website. Deets here: http://thewartburgwatch.com/2014/04/30/the-duggars-promote-bill-gothard-and-the-pearls/

But yes they seem to have STFU about the Pearls in recent years.

Yes, I think they didn't expect or like the pushback they got for that and dropped the subject permanently.

[Temperance]

7 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

The Pearls are a sore subject with the Duggars. I think it’s more than likely that Jim Bob and Michelle blanket trained at least the first six or seven kids, but they have never acknowledged it or said anything that could be considered an endorsement of the Pearls. They’re smart enough to realize that talking about beating your kids would be taking “we do things a little differently” too far for most of their fans. That whack job Zuzanna Anderson, who brags about beating her kids because Jesus wants her to, has called the Duggars out for refusing to acknowledge that they beat theirs.

At some point, the Duggars stopped the blanket training. It’s been speculated that it stopped after Michelle had her laundry room breakdown, but I think they only stopped when the TLC crew moved in to start filming them.

If Joy or any of the other Duggars kids are into using the Pearls methods, I don’t think they’d admit it.

Michelle admitted to blanket training either in the early specials or during the first season or so. She didn't admit to hitting her kids. She said she "gives/gave them a consquence", a euphemism that means whatever you want. She described sitting the kids on the blanket and "giving a consequence" if they leave the blanket.  Blanket training is done with young children so by this point the kids are too old to keep blanket training. 

Edited January 4, 2020 by Temperance

[farmgal4]

9 hours ago, Albanyguy said:

The Pearls are a sore subject with the Duggars. I think it’s more than likely that Jim Bob and Michelle blanket trained at least the first six or seven kids, but they have never acknowledged it or said anything that could be considered an endorsement of the Pearls. They’re smart enough to realize that talking about beating your kids would be taking “we do things a little differently” too far for most of their fans. That whack job Zuzanna Anderson, who brags about beating her kids because Jesus wants her to, has called the Duggars out for refusing to acknowledge that they beat theirs.

At some point, the Duggars stopped the blanket training. It’s been speculated that it stopped after Michelle had her laundry room breakdown, but I think they only stopped when the TLC crew moved in to start filming them.

If Joy or any of the other Duggars kids are into using the Pearls methods, I don’t think they’d admit it.

Steven Anderson did an entire sermon on How To Spank Your Kids or some shit like that.  He told his congregation exactly how to use a belt, took his belt off and everything.  It’s on YouTube if you can stomach watching it.

[Sew Sumi]

11 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

Steven Anderson did an entire sermon on How To Spank Your Kids or some shit like that.  He told his congregation exactly how to use a belt, took his belt off and everything.  It’s on YouTube if you can stomach watching it.

I remember that. He is an evil, evil man.

[Albanyguy]

5 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I remember that. He is an evil, evil man.

And behind him is an evil, evil woman.

[Sew Sumi]

3 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

And behind him is an evil, evil woman.

Zsu is the absolute worst. They're a match made in hell.

[farmgal4]

48 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

I remember that. He is an evil, evil man.

He kept stressing over and over the importance of not leaving a mark (bruise/cut/blood blister/etc) on the child’s body.  I’m sure that’s to prevent visits from CPS.  I think a lot of fundies homeschool so there won’t be any questions from outside sources about how they’re abusing, I mean, raising their kids.

I’ve just realized that I’m way off topic.  I’m sorry.

[Jynnan tonnix]

1 hour ago, farmgal4 said:

He kept stressing over and over the importance of not leaving a mark (bruise/cut/blood blister/etc) on the child’s body.  I’m sure that’s to prevent visits from CPS.  I think a lot of fundies homeschool so there won’t be any questions from outside sources about how they’re abusing, I mean, raising their kids.

I’ve just realized that I’m way off topic.  I’m sorry.

Yup...not leaving a visible mark is stressed so much, yet not leaving a psychological mark (outside the all-important obedience, of course) gets not a mention.

And I don't think this is necessarily off topic, as it is part (for more or less depending on the family dispensing the "wisdom" and the personality of the offspring who choses how to implement it) of pretty much all families within the reach of the Pearls.

[louannems]

5 hours ago, farmgal4 said:

Steven Anderson did an entire sermon on How To Spank Your Kids or some shit like that.  He told his congregation exactly how to use a belt, took his belt off and everything.  It’s on YouTube if you can stomach watching it.

And his poor children were right in the church hearing that.  I used to be so horrified when my dad would brag to the neighbors that he didn't hesitate to take a belt to us kids. I used to tell my best friends that my parents never spanked us.

[GeeGolly]

18 hours ago, dargosmydaddy said:

In the leaked police report after the Josh incident, the last kid who was interviewed (names redacted, but it appears to be a boy, maybe Joe?), answers that JB and Michelle spanked all the kids with a "rod."

I'm guessing DCF told them they needed to use other means of discipline going forward. Not that I think the Duggars would listen.

[farmgal4]

On 1/3/2020 at 1:57 PM, Sew Sumi said:

 

That’s honestly one of the sweetest things I’ve ever seen.  It’s obvious that they adore each other.

[Gemma Violet]

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That’s honestly one of the sweetest things I’ve ever seen.  It’s obvious that they adore each other.

I must have watched it over a dozen times during the last few days.  Each time I'm in this thread I scroll back and watch it another 2-3 times.  Just adorable.

[galaxychaser]

Yay is my least favorite word.

[Sew Sumi]

Another cute Giddy pic.

 

 

[Temperance]

Any pictures of Joy?

[Growsonwalls]

Gideon is one adorable baby. And while Joy seems to follow her parents' conservative tenets I'm glad that she and Austin show more affection towards Gideon. 

[Sew Sumi]

More cute Giddy pics.

 

[JustRosie]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

More cute Giddy pics.

 

That’s a cute baby!

[emma675]

His happiness just comes through the pictures, what a sweet kid. Austin seems to have mellowed out a lot over the last year and he seems to be happier in general, too. 

Edited January 13, 2020 by emma675d

[Westiepeach]

You can tell they both absolutely adore each other!

[AnnaBaptist]

On 1/7/2020 at 11:04 PM, galaxychaser said:

Yay is my least favorite word.

It's one of my least favorite words, too, but in this instance, it didn't annoy me. That's because it was clear that Gideon couldn't wait to see his dad, and when Austin came into the house, you could see the joy on Giddy's face. Joy was just reacting to Gideon's happiness. Contrast this to Jill, who says "Yay" even when her children show no interest or pleasure in what's going on.

[Nysha]

On 1/9/2020 at 5:24 PM, Growsonwalls said:

Gideon is one adorable baby. And while Joy seems to follow her parents' conservative tenets I'm glad that she and Austin show more affection towards Gideon. 

I hope it doesn't change, but I bet JB & Michelle showed the same affection towards Josh. It's easy to parent one child and to get caught up in the amazement of watching a tiny baby turn into a full-blown person if he or she is the only one in the house. Let's see how they do when they have 5, 6, or more kids.

[galaxychaser]

5 minutes ago, Nysha said:

I hope it doesn't change, but I bet JB & Michelle showed the same affection towards Josh. It's easy to parent one child and to get caught up in the amazement of watching a tiny baby turn into a full-blown person if he or she is the only one in the house. Let's see how they do when they have 5, 6, or more kids.

Exactly 

[Fig Newton]

Cute video. For all my initial dislike of Austin, I am actually starting to find him more tolerable and a loving father.

That smile on his face, and that smile on Gideon's face tell me those are two humans happy to see each other.

I wish them all well. From appearances at least, looks like a loving, doting, caring family.

[Zella]

29 minutes ago, Fig Newton said:

Cute video. For all my initial dislike of Austin, I am actually starting to find him more tolerable and a loving father.

That smile on his face, and that smile on Gideon's face tell me those are two humans happy to see each other.

I wish them all well. From appearances at least, looks like a loving, doting, caring family.

Yes, I used to make a lot of Michael Cera serial killer jokes about him, but he does seem to have lightened up a lot in the past year or so. I no longer get a creepy serial killer vibe about him. Seriously doubt I'd like him in person, but he, Joy, and Gideon seem like a happy, loving, close family. 

[Tikichick]

Yep, Joy and Austin seem like very content parents to a little boy who seems quite happy and loving as well.  Watching the marriage retreat episode really made me believe Joy and Austin have truly found their match and are flourishing together.  

[Sew Sumi]

And yet more cute Giddy pics. This seems to be Joy's jam. 

 

[xwordfanatik]

Joy, please wash your hair.  Or your bangs, at least.  You're so pretty otherwise.

Giddyup is a cutie!

[Totally]

Joy looks tired, I wonder if she’s pregnant

[galaxychaser]

Or wear a hat. 
 

[queenanne]

On 1/15/2020 at 4:45 PM, xwordfanatik said:

Joy, please wash your hair.  Or your bangs, at least.  You're so pretty otherwise.

Giddyup is a cutie!

She, like Jinger, needs a dip in the ProActiv.

Either that, or everyone in the family has suddenly developed an affinity for a mystery filter that makes everyone's complexion look pebbly.

[awaken]

52 minutes ago, queenanne said:

She, like Jinger, needs a dip in the ProActiv.

Either that, or everyone in the family has suddenly developed an affinity for a mystery filter that makes everyone's complexion look pebbly.

Ugh. Pebbly skin and greasy bangs. Nice. 

[GeeGolly]

On 1/15/2020 at 5:04 PM, Totally said:

Joy looks tired, I wonder if she’s pregnant

I would say yes. We've only seen close-ups of her.

Has a Duggar not been pregnant since Izzy was gestating? Anna, Jessa and Jill kept things going prior to Felicity being born.

[Temperance]

26 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

I would say yes. We've only seen close-ups of her.

Has a Duggar not been pregnant since Izzy was gestating? Anna, Jessa and Jill kept things going prior to Felicity being born.

There was a small gap between Felicity being born and Jessa being pregnant with Ivy. (Yes I'm counting before Jessa announced the pregnancy to the world.) 

 

Also after Israel, Meredith and Spurgeon were born. Then no one was pregnant until Jessa was pregnant with Henry.