Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Zella]

1 hour ago, Sew Sumi said:

That "take out the garbage" remark was the height of Anna's DC condensation. She was truly a superior bitch back then.

Oh I haven't heard this one. What was she saying?

[Sew Sumi]

17 minutes ago, Zella said:

Oh I haven't heard this one. What was she saying?

I don't remember the exact quote, but she bragged that she had a MAN to take out the garbage. Honey, I thought at the time, you can take out the garbage, too! But it was the way she bragged about it that really bugged. Her tone, as I noted before, dripped with condensention.

Edited June 26, 2019 by Sew Sumi

[Zella]

Just now, Sew Sumi said:

I don't remember the exact quote, but she bragged that she had a MAN to take out the garbage. Honey, I thought at the time, you can take out the garbage, too! But it was the way she bragged about it that really bugged. Her tone, as I noted before, dripped with condensation.

Wow, that is obnoxious. 

[galaxychaser]

Maybe Anna is over feeding Josh so he will die from a heart attack or stroke. Josh looks dead inside maybe he should leave Anna and run off to Central America.

[Lukeysboat]

2 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

I know Anna had her teeth straightened, but I swear she also got a nose-job at some point.  She does look quite different. (not just heavier)

There were rumors of a nose job several years ago. I think it was around the time of Josh’s “indiscretions.” 

[FizzyPuff]

18 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

I don't remember the exact quote, but she bragged that she had a MAN to take out the garbage. Honey, I thought at the time, you can take out the garbage, too! But it was the way she bragged about it that really bugged. Her tone, as I noted before, dripped with condensention.

You know I’ve never seen Anna as the bragging type so that does sounds kinda shocking tbh, she comes across as so sweet etc. 

[Sew Sumi]

3 hours ago, Puffin said:

You know I’ve never seen Anna as the bragging type so that does sounds kinda shocking tbh, she comes across as so sweet etc. 

She was feeling some power via Smuggar's position at the FRC during their time in DC. I found her extremely unlikeable during that period.

Edited June 26, 2019 by Sew Sumi

[awaken]

On 6/24/2019 at 9:07 PM, Oldernowiser said:

I am so over the expression “kiddos.” They’re children or kids.

I blame the Gaines.

Ugh, me too!  It’s not inherently bad, it just sets my teeth on edge when I hear it. Littles, too. 

On 6/24/2019 at 10:22 PM, CalicoKitty said:

We have a little baby Ralph at church.  I hadn't heard that one for a while.  I have had a couple students named Harold.  Harry and Henry are becoming popular around here.

I had a baby Bruce at work the other day 😁

21 hours ago, Lukeysboat said:

There were rumors of a nose job several years ago. I think it was around the time of Josh’s “indiscretions.” 

Can anyone do a side by side pic so we can compare?

[Albanyguy]

On 6/25/2019 at 8:36 PM, Sew Sumi said:

I don't remember the exact quote, but she bragged that she had a MAN to take out the garbage. Honey, I thought at the time, you can take out the garbage, too! But it was the way she bragged about it that really bugged.

Especially since we know that Josh is a lazy, entitled slob. I'm sure that she takes the garbage out herself more often than not. After all, this is the guy who made her carry the luggage on their wedding night and who routinely struts ahead of her, leaving her to straggle behind, trying to herd all the "kiddos" by herself.

[Ohiopirate02]

2 hours ago, awaken said:

I had a baby Bruce at work the other day 😁

I would consider Bruce as a name for my imaginary son.  If not,  I want to get 2 Male cats--Bruce (or Scooter) and Clarence.

[Portia]

I have a coworker with a toddler named Peggy. 

[Zella]

1 minute ago, Portia said:

I have a coworker with a toddler named Peggy. 

Mad Men fan? 😉 

[Ohiopirate02]

14 minutes ago, Portia said:

I have a coworker with a toddler named Peggy. 

I would have gone with Eliza or Angelica myself.

[MsJamieDornan]

On 6/25/2019 at 7:45 PM, galaxychaser said:

Josh looks dead inside maybe he should leave Anna and run off to Central America.

Running is not on his agenda.

[sleepysuzy]

I wonder if the families that use letter themes for names come up with lists for boy and girl names to draw from before they settle on a letter. Anna vetoed Mary, and we know Madison and Marjorie are likely off limits, so I imagine a list with names crossed off. 

[Whyyouneedaname]

On ‎6‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 9:22 PM, CalicoKitty said:

We have a little baby Ralph at church.  I hadn't heard that one for a while.  I have had a couple students named Harold.  Harry and Henry are becoming popular around here.

& we have a Harvey.....I'm also seeing a lot use Vera, Genevieve & Josephine...to each his own I guess. 

[PradaKitty]

My friend’s niece is named..... Agnes!!!! 

[Meow25]

15 hours ago, Portia said:

I have a coworker with a toddler named Peggy. 

I love the name Margaret but never used it because of the nicknames (Marge/Peggy).  Our good friends just named their baby Elenor.  So cute.  ❤️ 

I like the new fad.  I blame the Dutchess of Cambridge.  😉 

Josh is such a slob.  I really just wanted Anna to run away from him.  I'm so sad that Josh got everything he wanted.  It boils me.  I can't even look at his face.  

[nightmeri]

I am not suffering alone! I stupidly watched this clip and it hurt my soul https://youtu.be/npxjuh6UyT4

it also reminded me of how smug smugger was. He is talking about how he loves Anna so much that he won’t cross a line with her during courtship but will only engage in sweaty hand holding/hand sex. He has aged thirty years since then

[jcbrown]

19 minutes ago, nightmeri said:

I am not suffering alone! I stupidly watched this clip and it hurt my soul https://youtu.be/npxjuh6UyT4

it also reminded me of how smug smugger was. He is talking about how he loves Anna so much that he won’t cross a line with her during courtship but will only engage in sweaty hand holding/hand sex. He has aged thirty years since then

Anna's dad is a piece of work in that clip with his explanation that "dating is training for divorce." Her mom looks so beaten down and it made me sick to hear her evangelizing the patriarchy when she talks about how their method is so much better in that it protects the daughters because their husbands are accountable to their fathers. The whole clip was infuriating. Interesting that they were so much more upfront about their fundiness in those days, though. I think now they have polished that turd a bit more for purposes of the show.

My favorite line is Josh saying their marriage is different from other people's marriages. Thank god for that.

Edited June 27, 2019 by jcbrown
To try to torture one sentence a bit less

[Sew Sumi]

Oh man, EVERYONE is insufferable in that clip. Pa Keller is such a  smug asshole spouting his Gothardisms.

Edited June 27, 2019 by Sew Sumi

[Ohiopirate02]

41 minutes ago, nightmeri said:

I am not suffering alone! I stupidly watched this clip and it hurt my soul https://youtu.be/npxjuh6UyT4

it also reminded me of how smug smugger was. He is talking about how he loves Anna so much that he won’t cross a line with her during courtship but will only engage in sweaty hand holding/hand sex. He has aged thirty years since then

The camera crew was totally trolling Josh and Anna from the pickle sharing to that giraffe's tongue.  

[Gemma Violet]

9 hours ago, PradaKitty said:

My friend’s niece is named..... Agnes!!!! 

One of the kids in the Despicable Me movies is named Agnes.  That may have given it a tiny bit of movement up the name popularity scale.  

[awaken]

4 hours ago, jcbrown said:

Anna's dad is a piece of work in that clip with his explanation that "dating is training for divorce." Her mom looks so beaten down and it made me sick to hear her evangelizing the patriarchy when she talks about how their method is so much better in that it protects the daughters because their husbands are accountable to their fathers. The whole clip was infuriating. Interesting that they were so much more upfront about their fundiness in those days, though. I think now they have polished that turd a bit more for purposes of the show.

My favorite line is Josh saying their marriage is different from other people's marriages. Thank god for that.

Hhmmmm, yeah, and how did their methods work out for their daughter?  Not so well, unfortunately. 

[Sew Sumi]

He kept mentioning that courtship was "protected." It didn't keep her safe from a teen sex abuser who turned into a cheating maggot. 

Didn't work so well for Suze, who had a child out of wedlock and was a single mother without a man anywhere in sight for a couple of years.

The Kellers doubled down after Suze and the divorces of the oldest son (who married a non-Gothardite) and Rebekah (whose ex was a Gothardite when they need but left Gothardism during their marriage). Nathan and Daniel are on VERY short leashes.

[Absolom]

9 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

Nathan and Daniel are on VERY short leashes.

Poor young men.  I dread to see who they are finally allowed to marry.  Have they ever met the younger Maxwell sisters?

[Sew Sumi]

Not sure if the Kellers and Maxwells have crossed paths, but the older Keller boy would be a great match for Mary. I think Anna is older than both sons. 

Edited June 28, 2019 by Sew Sumi

[EmeraldGirl]

Haha, my immediate family includes the names Ralph, Harold, Margaret, and Agnes, and I’m not 100 years old. 

I need to stop following Anna on Twitter because I despise her! I’m sure most of them think the same way, but they’re smart enough to shut up about it. She just likes and retweets disgusting nonsense. Birtherism was a biggie, and now she liked Bill Barr playing bagpipes! 

[Zella]

45 minutes ago, EmeraldGirl said:

now she liked Bill Barr playing bagpipes! 

I initially read that as Bill Burr and was so confused and intrigued that she would be retweeting. . . . 

Edited June 28, 2019 by Zella

[Natalie68]

17 hours ago, nightmeri said:

I am not suffering alone! I stupidly watched this clip and it hurt my soul https://youtu.be/npxjuh6UyT4

it also reminded me of how smug smugger was. He is talking about how he loves Anna so much that he won’t cross a line with her during courtship but will only engage in sweaty hand holding/hand sex. He has aged thirty years since then

I am watching it right now.  Are we to believe that conversation with Anna's mother was the 1st time she learned of the nitty gritty of husband/wife relations?  If she didn't hear about that until right before the wedding what could they have possibly told her about Smugger molesting his sisters and another (that we have heard about, my guess is there were others)?  It is too bad she took that asshole back.  She needs to know what it is like with someone other than a selfish pig huffing and puffing his Big Mac breath all over her countenance.  I am sure she could think of a million other things she would rather do with that 2 minutes of her day.

This may sound inappropriate but I have always suspected Anna's dad has a lot in common with Josiah.  Just a hunch.

[Ohiopirate02]

1 minute ago, Natalie68 said:

I am watching it right now.  Are we to believe that conversation with Anna's mother was the 1st time she learned of the nitty gritty of husband/wife relations?  If she didn't hear about that until right before the wedding what could they have possibly told her about Smugger molesting his sisters and another (that we have heard about, my guess is there were others)?  It is too bad she took that asshole back.  She needs to know what it is like with someone other than a selfish pig huffing and puffing his Big Mac breath all over her countenance.  I am sure she could think of a million other things she would rather do with that 2 minutes of her day.

This was filmed when the Duggars were trying to sweep Josh's actions under the rug.  They were trying to weave a fantasy here about how super-special their courtship is and how they are both Godly virgins who have never spent one second of their lives thinking about sex yada, yada, yada. 

I do think that Anna was briefed about Josh's trangressions, but only in a superficial way.  These are people who believe that masturbation or looking at porn are just as evil as touching your sleeping sister.  Anna strikes me as one who would want to help return Josh to his godly path and willingly married him. I can see her smugly believing that he would never look at porn again because Josh now had her to righteously fulfill his desires. 

[Nysha]

On 6/5/2019 at 5:46 AM, Jeeves said:

I've also been a little surprised that they haven't aired any repeats of Counting On. 

I'm kind of surprised, too, since TLC owns all the footage. Even if they didn't want to air them on the channel, they could do a lot of 10-15 minute "Way Back When" segments for their website and easily cut out all references to Josh. Or use that to test the waters and see how upset people get at seeing old videos of Josh.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

Boy, that Ma Keller is a handsome woman isn’t she?!? That was the mousiest collection of human beings I’ve ever seen.  Who told them Christians can only wear dowdy frocks, and aren’t allowed to wash or comb their hair?  They really are too young to be so beat down looking.  And this video should be a reminder to all of us older, single ladies who might wish we had husbands.  We might be single, but that’s better than being married to the Josh Duggars of the world. 

Edited July 1, 2019 by Ijustwantsomechips

[Minivanessa]

5 hours ago, Nysha said:

I'm kind of surprised, too, since TLC owns all the footage. Even if they didn't want to air them on the channel, they could do a lot of 10-15 minute "Way Back When" segments for their website and easily cut out all references to Josh. Or use that to test the waters and see how upset people get at seeing old videos of Josh.

There isn’t footage of Josh in Counting On. Counting On was created after Joshgate tanked the 19K&C show. That’s why I find it odd that TLC doesn’t do repeats of Counting On, seeing as it’s all Duggars v. 2.0.

[tabloidlover]

On 6/27/2019 at 3:29 PM, nightmeri said:

I am not suffering alone! I stupidly watched this clip and it hurt my soul https://youtu.be/npxjuh6UyT4

it also reminded me of how smug smugger was. He is talking about how he loves Anna so much that he won’t cross a line with her during courtship but will only engage in sweaty hand holding/hand sex. He has aged thirty years since then

On 6/27/2019 at 3:47 PM, Sew Sumi said:

Oh man, EVERYONE is insufferable in that clip. Pa Keller is such a  smug asshole spouting his Gothardisms.

Interesting that towards the end of that video Ma Keller says that their rules hold Josh accountable for his actions and he would have to answer to Pa Keller.  Could.Not.Stop.Laughing... 

How did that work out for ya? Idiots.  

*I do believe that Anna only learned about sex right before the wedding as she still looked shell shocked in the interview.   Ergo, she was never fully told about Josh’s past.   

[galaxychaser]

No matter what I will always feel sorry for Anna. Stuck with that unemployed loser pumping out blessings like a pez dispensers.  Uneducated woman with that many kids is doomed to her life.  Can’t leave or will exist in poverty.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

Duplicate post.

Edited July 1, 2019 by Ijustwantsomechips

[AUgirl]

On 6/26/2019 at 6:22 PM, awaken said:

Ugh, me too!  It’s not inherently bad, it just sets my teeth on edge when I hear it. Littles, too. 

I had a baby Bruce at work the other day 😁

Can anyone do a side by side pic so we can compare?

My cousins baby due in October is going to be Oliver. Old names seem to be coming back so maybe Smuggar number 6 will be named Mildred or Maude.  

[Fig Newton]

On 6/26/2019 at 9:50 PM, Ohiopirate02 said:

I would consider Bruce as a name for my imaginary son.  If not,  I want to get 2 Male cats--Bruce (or Scooter) and Clarence.

Woooo hooooo, Springsteen fans !!!!!!!😎

[galaxychaser]

Myrna?

[Jynnan tonnix]

5 minutes ago, galaxychaser said:

Myrna?

Anything but Mabel. That seems to have been having a resurgence lately, and I've hated it ever since they used it for the baby on "Mad About You" as an acronym for "Mothers Always Bring Extra Love". The name itself was unattractive enough (to my mind, and with apologies to anyone who might have a Mabel!), but foisting that contrived and saccharine acronym on it just made it worse. 

[Normades]

31 minutes ago, AUgirl said:

My cousins baby due in October is going to be Oliver. Old names seem to be coming back so maybe Smuggar number 6 will be named Mildred or Maude.  

Ooooh!!  Let it be Maude!!  Then maybe we can get a Harold.  That would make me really happy!!

[Ohiopirate02]

If the Smuggars name their daughter Maude, I will laugh.  When I hear Maude, i think about the Bea Arthur character who had one of the first (if not the first) on-screen abortions.  

[gonecrackers]

42 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Anything but Mabel. That seems to have been having a resurgence lately, and I've hated it ever since they used it for the baby on "Mad About You" as an acronym for "Mothers Always Bring Extra Love". The name itself was unattractive enough (to my mind, and with apologies to anyone who might have a Mabel!), but foisting that contrived and saccharine acronym on it just made it worse. 

I hated it then too; didn't know that it was used an an acronym that way. However, the name grew on me, & when I found out it means "lovable" I started to really love it. Never named anyone Mabel though, as it got shot down.

[xwordfanatik]

I like Marguerite or Martha.  Marilyn or Marianne are nice, too.

[PikaScrewChu]

The Smugs are hard to predict where they're going to go.

If we think about popularity for the year they were born...

Mackynzie (I'm going with Mackenzie) here: #77 for girls in 2009

Michael:  #6 in 2011

Marcus: #153 in 2013

Meredith: #590 in 2015

Mason: #7 in 2017

I would have bet on Matthew or Miles if M6 was a boy. They like popular or classic names for boys. Both fit that criteria. Girls is a bit harder to predict. I'm going to go with Marianne/Marianna or a form of Madeleine since they're known but not as popular as Mia or Mila are right now. Knowing the Duggars it will probably be Madalyn or something.

[GeeGolly]

Martha, Maisy, Matilda, Melania, Morgan, Modesty or Myrtle.

[Temperance]

4 hours ago, PikaScrewChu said:

The Smugs are hard to predict where they're going to go.

If we think about popularity for the year they were born...

Mackynzie (I'm going with Mackenzie) here: #77 for girls in 2009

Michael:  #6 in 2011

Marcus: #153 in 2013

Meredith: #590 in 2015

Mason: #7 in 2017

I would have bet on Matthew or Miles if M6 was a boy. They like popular or classic names for boys. Both fit that criteria. Girls is a bit harder to predict. I'm going to go with Marianne/Marianna or a form of Madeleine since they're known but not as popular as Mia or Mila are right now. Knowing the Duggars it will probably be Madalyn or something.

I think Miles and Matthew are good choices. Matthew was the name of the guy suing Josh, because Josh used his picture on Ashley Madison. 

I'm thinking Marie or Molly for a girl. 

[jennblevins]

My guess is Mariah/Mariyah or Martina, since they seem to like three-syllable names for girls and two-syllable names for boys.

Of course, that means “Madison” would fit right in, but sometimes I think they named Mason they way they did so they’d have plausible deniability of Madison just being too close to Mason to consider using ...

[galaxychaser]

Maddy

Morgan

Morgana

Maggie