Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Lunera]

M6 would be the 15th grandchild, so did they accidentally out another pregnancy?

Edited April 26, 2019 by Lunera
M6 not M7. Must have been thinking of Sierra's horde of 7.

[Oldernowiser]

Eight exclamation points! That’s so precious!

Shut up, Duggars. Just shut up.

[Scarlett45]

5 minutes ago, lookeyloo said:

My take is that she is a healthy young woman with desires and he is there and available.  We don't know what he has told her, acts towards her, forgiveness considered, etc. etc.  Of course what we know from the teevee eliminates him as a contender for any one of us, but, we aren't her.

Basically- in Anna’s world her choice is to have sex with her husband or be celibate the rest of her life, and that’s only if Josh “allows” that. In their social milieu a woman’s body belongs to her husband- period. In the mainstream world women are raped and sexually assaulted by their husbands and boyfriends, and are often too afraid to leave the relationship. Josh molested his own FIVE YEAR OLD SISTER- I don’t think he is above raping his wife (and he wouldn’t even think of it as rape). 

I do believe Anna wants these babies- I think she enjoys them and they give her purpose. Whether she has “forgiven” Smuggar, or accepts that this is the best she can do, or is forced by him to gave sex I just don’t know  

Anna will continue to have children in the even years for the next decade, with maybe one last baby after 42. They will likely have 12 kids. 

[Temperance]

5 minutes ago, Lunera said:

M7 would be the 15th grandchild, so did they accidentally out another pregnancy?

It's M6, and probably not. Either they lost count or someone is waiting to announce with a paid announcement. Pickles claims it's Joy.  I think it's more likely Si and Lauren or John and Abbie. 

Edited April 26, 2019 by Temperance

[lookeyloo]

1 minute ago, Scarlett45 said:

Basically- in Anna’s world her choice is to have sex with her husband or be celibate the rest of her life, and that’s only if Josh “allows” that. In their social milieu a woman’s body belongs to her husband- period. In the mainstream world women are raped and sexually assaulted by their husbands and boyfriends, and are often too afraid to leave the relationship. Josh molested his own FIVE YEAR OLD SISTER- I don’t think he is above raping his wife (and he wouldn’t even think of it as rape). 

I do believe Anna wants these babies- I think she enjoys them and they give her purpose. Whether she has “forgiven” Smuggar, or accepts that this is the best she can do, or is forced by him to gave sex I just don’t know  

Anna will continue to have children in the even years for the next decade, with maybe one last baby after 42. They will likely have 12 kids. 

The part where you say "I don't know" is really true.  We don't know. He isn't for us and maybe she has told herself enough to accept him in that way.  Maybe she is unwilling to be with him except to get pregnant.  Maybe she just likes it with him enough to suppress the other stuff.  We don't know if he withholds because he doesn't want more children.  We don't know if he is still seeing other women (you know what I mean). We just don't know.  

[farmgal4]

45 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

She has no choice (or she would if she weren't brain washed). I wonder if she initiates or he does? Yuck. 

I wonder how much he forces her to do that she really doesn’t want to do or hates doing?

[Sew Sumi]

10 minutes ago, farmgal4 said:

I wonder how much he forces her to do that she really doesn’t want to do or hates doing?

We do know from the leaked Ashley Madison application that he doesn't believe that marital rape is a thing. I hope that Anna has sex for more than procreation purposes.

[Marshmallow Mollie]

Maybe Michelle is counting Lauren’s miscarriage? (But not Anna’s)

[JoanArc]

I guess the last band aid baby finally fell off.

 This explains why they’re selling their house. I will not watch that announcement video for anything. I simply cannot muster up any congratulations or hope for these two. Jim Bob and Michelle are two of the most selfish and evil people I know.  Just look what they released on the world.  Funny how they didn’t talk about Josh at all in their wonderful wonderful wonderful statement. 

[Scarlett45]

4 minutes ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

Maybe Michelle is counting Lauren’s miscarriage? (But not Anna’s)

I don’t think so. I think either someone else hasn’t announced yet or Michelle cannot count. 

[JoanArc]

3 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

I don’t think so. I think either someone else hasn’t announced yet or Michelle cannot count. 

 Porque no dos?

[Scarlett45]

1 minute ago, JoanArc said:

Porque no dos?

True true. 

[fonfereksglen]

How neat and sweet.  😬

[BitterApple]

Let's see, no job, living in Daddy's guesthouse and no prospects? Yup, perfect time to bring another innocent life into the world!

FWIW, I don't think Josh forces himself on Anna. I think she's the one who wants all these kids.

[Scarlett45]

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

FWIW, I don't think Josh forces himself on Anna. I think she's the one who wants all these kids.

I do firmly believe that Anna does want these children, no matter what she thinks or doesn’t think about her husband. I do hope he doesn’t give her an STI because I highly doubt he’s given up his cheating ways. 

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, Lunera said:

M6 would be the 15th grandchild, so did they accidentally out another pregnancy?

"It is going to be neat to see what God does with each one of their children's lives." 

Neat? Seriously? They really are living in decades long past.

And what has God done with any of your family's lives so far, you crap-filled dunderheads? What will become of these completely uneducated, isolated kids as they grow up, learn their father's messy background, and move on into a 21st-century world where JB's money has dwindled to nothing thanks to the dozens of competing claims of these proliferating generations and where they have no employment-worthy knowledge or skills to speak of? 

And, wow, "God is at work in their sweet little family! He has blessed them with another child! What a gift! The best days for their family are still ahead!"      If I've ever seen somebody "protesting too much," this is it. 

Edited April 26, 2019 by Churchhoney

[mimionthebeach]

Once, before Marcus, Josh and Anna were discussing family size. Josh said something like 3 would be good, five max.  Anna said five was "a good start".

I don't think he's coercing her in any way. She's driving the baby-crazy train. I'm not condoning his sleeping around and I find him disgusting, but I also believe he was looking to have sex without constant babies. I wouldn't be surprised if he's taking steps* to maintain the spacing between pregnancies. His situation being what it is, he has no say in how many kids they have. That's his penance. 

* probably nothing more sinister than having headaches and spending a lot of time in the bathroom. 

[ThinkerBell]

Pairing "Neat" with God in the same sentence speaks volumes, and tells me all I need to know about the Duggars.

[bigskygirl]

1 hour ago, Lunera said:

M6 would be the 15th grandchild, so did they accidentally out another pregnancy?

I think I am going to get sick. Seriously...What is wrong with these people.

[galaxychaser]

Sweet little family? Lol 6 kids is a lot of kids. 

[Minivanessa]

18 minutes ago, galaxychaser said:

Sweet little family? Lol 6 kids is a lot of kids. 

I know. "Sweet little family," as in "Bitch hasn't even yet delivered a third of the NINETEEN kids I delivered. Don't forget who is the Queen Bee around here."

Edited April 26, 2019 by Jeeves

[OpieTaylor]

Their “best days are still ahead” per JB & M - wtf does that mean? If they had “only” had 5 kids, the best days were over? They’d peaked and just had to muddle through from now on? WTF

[FizzyPuff]

2 hours ago, lookeyloo said:

My take is that she is a healthy young woman with desires and he is there and available.  We don't know what he has told her, acts towards her, forgiveness considered, etc. etc.  Of course what we know from the teevee eliminates him as a contender for any one of us, but, we aren't her.

I wonder if Anna has any desires other than to keep reproducing for Jesus. Quite sad really, I bet she’s never had a orgasm she probably thinks it’s from the devil. 

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

I do firmly believe that Anna does want these children, no matter what she thinks or doesn’t think about her husband. I do hope he doesn’t give her an STI because I highly doubt he’s given up his cheating ways. 

Did Josh ever cheat on Anna? We all know he was on Ashley Madison and then some porn star claimed she slept with him and said he was really violent with her & that she was gonna take him to court, but then she dropped it. Did she get paid off? Did she ever even meet Josh? Or did she just want her 5 minutes of fame? I don’t wanna be defending the guy, I think if he had the chance to cheat he would I just don’t think he ever did. Did Josh ever say I cheated on Anna? I know he said unfaithful but in their circles they think looking at porn is cheating right? 

9 minutes ago, Jeeves said:

I know. "Sweet little family," as in "Bitch hasn't even yet delivered a third of the NINETEEN kids I delivered. Don't forget who is the Queen Bee around here."

I cannot wait for the day one of those kids pass 19 kids they better hope Michelle ain’t alive, she’ll be coming for them. 

[Marshmallow Mollie]

If Anna doesn’t have a baby around, then she’ll have more time for her husband. Or she’ll have to admit the marriage can’t take another child. She’ll keep reproducing as long as she can. 

[Rabbittron]

6 hours ago, Temperance said:

So JB and Michelle commented on the pregnancy announcement and said it's our 16th grandbaby! huh?

They have 12 born grandchildren - Josh 5, Jill 2,  Jessa 2, Joy 1, Joe 1, Jinger 1.

 Seewald #3 makes 13. 

Joe and Kendra #2 makes 14.

Either JB and Michelle got it wrong or someone else is pregnant due before Anna and hasn't announced.  I'm going with either Abbie or Lauren. 

 Well there's the Duggar math class in action  I bet you that she is including the miscarriage in the count 😀

Edited April 27, 2019 by Rabbittron
Added a sentence

[galaxychaser]

https://people.com/tv/anna-duggar-pregnant-expecting-sixth-child-with-husband-josh-duggar/

[Heathen]

9 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Number 6 coming in the fall. ☹️

Called it. Ugh. 

This is an instance when I feel sorry for Smuggar. I think he's been over having babies since Marcus was born, but in his family and culture, birth control is the equivalent of murder. I think Smuggar is probably miserable even if he can't vocalize or acknowledge it to himself. 

[andromeda331]

Not surprised but its still sucks anyways. Its so stupid to keep having kids when you have no jobs, money or anything. Its even worse to do so given Josh's background. I feel sorry for the kids.

[Lunera]

3 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

 Well there's the Duggar math class in action  I bet you that she is including the miscarriage in the count 😀

Then she should include the one that Anna miscarried, or has she forgotten. 

[Rabbittron]

57 minutes ago, Lunera said:

Then she should include the one that Anna miscarried, or has she forgotten. 

She picks and chooses what she wants to remember. 

[Scarlett45]

12 hours ago, Puffin said:

Did Josh ever say I cheated on Anna? I know he said unfaithful but in their circles they think looking at porn is cheating right? 

Yes Josh cheated on/ was unfaithful to Anna- he admitted to it, actual cheating with his physical person not just looking at porn or being emotionally inappropriate. He was hooking up with women he met online while he was in DC (and likely before that). The Ashley Madison site is just the one that got hacked which made him confess publicly. Ashley Madison was a hook up site for married people who didn’t want to get caught (rather than single people maybe looking for something after the hook up) but it’s not the only site out there. He was also on OkCupid.....

[GeeGolly]

4 hours ago, Scarlett45 said:

Yes Josh cheated on/ was unfaithful to Anna- he admitted to it, actual cheating with his physical person not just looking at porn or being emotionally inappropriate. He was joking up with women he met online while he was in DC (and likely before that). The Ashley Madison site is just the one that got hacked which made him confess publicly. Ashley Madison was a hook up site for married people who didn’t want to get caught (rather than single people maybe looking for something after the hook up) but it’s not the only site out there. He was also on OkCupid.....

When did Josh admit he physically cheated? All I've ever read is that the devil built a fortress in his heart. 

[Scarlett45]

17 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

When did Josh admit he physically cheated? All I've ever read is that the devil built a fortress in his heart. 

In his statement where he stated he had been a huge hypocrite and unfaithful to his wife though meeting women from various websites. Ashley Madison leaked his name but he admitted to others (websites). Ashely Madison was the scandal because it was specifically for married persons looking to cheat and they had his credit card info.

Also- no one goes to a website for hook ups just to look at pornography (film) or nude photos. You do that to MEET others and have sex in the flesh. Why visit such a website if your purpose was not to be unfaithful aka cheat aka commit adultery? Even if Josh never admitted to physically cheating, the fact that he did is 99.9% evident from his behavior and his time in Jesus Jail. Wasn’t he gone 6months? That was penitence for actual sex not looking at pornography (which I’m sure a lot of fundy men do quietly on the side and don’t get sent off to Jesus Jail for it). 

[bigskygirl]

Smugs may not have physically cheated, but it looks like he emotionally cheated. Does that make sense? My one brother-in-law did the same thing. Of course being married to the wicked bitch aka one of my husband's sister, and I can see why he was tempted. I do not approve of what he did, but after being around her I can see in a way why it happened.

My million dollar question is what if the table was turn and Anna was the one "cheating" Would she be toss aside like an old shoe and lose any rights to see her kids, and would she be disowned by her family.

[Scarlett45]

36 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

My million dollar question is what if the table was turn and Anna was the one "cheating" Would she be toss aside like an old shoe and lose any rights to see her kids, and would she be disowned by her family.

Tossed asides, shunned, publicly humiliated. You know forgiveness is only for the men folk. 

[Kbo]

After only a month on the market they’ve dropped the price of their house by $10,000. Its a 5-bedroom house, it doesn’t seem like they should be out of space. Are they desperate for money?

https://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/anna-and-josh-duggar-drop-price-on-arkansas-farmhouse?cid=psc_uu_fb_evo_editorial_cel&content_id=fb%3A3vh.hiugs6m32xoj27ydxsxpb2eepjzmx7ib.nb2hi4dthixs653xo4xhezlbnr2g64romnxw2lzvgeztamjx

[lucy711]

I do think Anna wants this baby, so congrats to her.  I'm sure her children are what give life meaning for her.  I also think she is a good mother.

I can't imagine living with Josh, but maybe he and Anna have an understanding and he is truly sorry for what he did.  I do feel a tiny (very tiny) bit sorry for Josh because maybe he would not have done what he did if he lived in a household that didn't treat normal sexual urges like sins.  It does not excuse any of his behaviors but I imagine it would be difficult to grow up the way he did.

I also wonder if he really knew Anna well before they married or if they got married because his parents thought it was a good idea and it was simply expected of him.

[bigskygirl]

7 minutes ago, Scarlett45 said:

Tossed asides, shunned, publicly humiliated. You know forgiveness is only for the men folk. 

I secretly hope she finds another man who would step up to the plate to take care of her and the kids, treats her and the kids well, loves her and the kids, and works hard and does not feel the need to "cheat" on her, and is not a man who hides behind his parents and religion when he does something wrong along with blaming the devil for it. A man who treats women with kindness and respect, and does calls out others for the way they live their lives while he is the one who is total ass and has his own dirty little secrets.  I seriously doubt it will actually happen, but a person can always hope.

[bigskygirl]

1 minute ago, lucy711 said:

I do think Anna wants this baby, so congrats to her.  I'm sure her children are what give life meaning for her.  I also think she is a good mother.

I can't imagine living with Josh, but maybe he and Anna have an understanding and he is truly sorry for what he did.  I do feel a tiny (very tiny) bit sorry for Josh because maybe he would not have done what he did if he lived in a household that didn't treat normal sexual urges like sins.  It does not excuse any of his behaviors but I imagine it would be difficult to grow up the way he did.

I also wonder if he really knew Anna well before they married or if they got married because his parents thought it was a good idea and it was simply expected of him.

There are millions of people who had crappy childhood, but it does give them the right to molest their siblings or "cheat" on their spouse. I bet Josh would have turn out to be a total ass even if he had a normal decent childhood. I also think he is sorry because he got caught, and is not sorry for what he did aka the devil made me do it or I was just curious about sex and the female body. Anna was "given" to Josh because his idiot parents thought it would cure his needs.

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Scarlett45 said:

In his statement where he stated he had been a huge hypocrite and unfaithful to his wife though meeting women from various websites. Ashley Madison leaked his name but he admitted to others (websites). Ashely Madison was the scandal because it was specifically for married persons looking to cheat and they had his credit card info.

Also- no one goes to a website for hook ups just to look at pornography (film) or nude photos. You do that to MEET others and have sex in the flesh. Why visit such a website if your purpose was not to be unfaithful aka cheat aka commit adultery? Even if Josh never admitted to physically cheating, the fact that he did is 99.9% evident from his behavior and his time in Jesus Jail. Wasn’t he gone 6months? That was penitence for actual sex not looking at pornography (which I’m sure a lot of fundy men do quietly on the side and don’t get sent off to Jesus Jail for it). 

From what I've read about Ashley Madison, the website itself appeared to be a scam. Something like 90% of the members were married men. And one article I read said the 10% of female members were paid by the site.

I have a feeling that Josh has never had sex with anybody other than Anna. I'm guessing he probably would have if given the opportunity, but never actually did.

I believe Josh's time in Jesus Jail was threefold: public penance, rebuilding his marriage and because his ilk believe all sins are created equal.

[kokapetl]

19 hours ago, dargosmydaddy said:

Jebus fucking christ, indoor voices, please!

I hate when people use seasons like Anna. Aside from the fact it’s not right for the Southern Hemisphere (it’s already fall, and it’s not called fall, it’s called autumn), three months is too large to be any sort of remotely specific date. 

Edited April 27, 2019 by kokapetl

[andromeda331]

11 minutes ago, bigskygirl said:

There are millions of people who had crappy childhood, but it does give them the right to molest their siblings or "cheat" on their spouse. I bet Josh would have turn out to be a total ass even if he had a normal decent childhood. I also think he is sorry because he got caught, and is not sorry for what he did aka the devil made me do it or I was just curious about sex and the female body. Anna was "given" to Josh because his idiot parents thought it would cure his needs.

If I could like this post a million times I would. Yes, Josh's crappy childhood is no excuse for him to molest his sisters, the poor fifth victim and cheat on his wife. I also agree he's only sorry he got caught and the evil media for making him lose his job and spot on the show. I really don't think he's sorry for what he did or that he hurt his sisters. Because of the way he's acted since then. He went on to be smug, arrogant, bastard who made gross comments about his sisters and accused other groups of molesting and cheated on his wife while he was held up as an example of a good Christian boy. That's not someone who is sorry about what he's done.  

[MamaMax]

15 hours ago, OpieTaylor said:

Their “best days are still ahead” per JB & M - wtf does that mean? If they had “only” had 5 kids, the best days were over? They’d peaked and just had to muddle through from now on? WTF

It just means: Hey haters their marriage is A-OK! They are happier THAN EVER!

15 hours ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

If Anna doesn’t have a baby around, then she’ll have more time for her husband. Or she’ll have to admit the marriage can’t take another child. She’ll keep reproducing as long as she can. 

Poor Anna likely believes that Josh's indiscretions are party -- or even mostly -- her fault. If she has bought into that twisted logic, the it's in her own interest to show the world that she has solved the problem. More babies means she's meeting her husband's needs, which is pretty much her #1 job as a good wife.

[bythelake]

Well, this forum is aptly named, “A series of unfortunate events.”

That being said, Anna does a good job with the little ones. They look scrubbed clean and nicely dressed. They seem animated and engaged. IMO she’s a good mother.

Anna  loves being a mom, the kids are happy, nobody’s starving and they have a roof over their heads. The trade-off is living with Josh.

We don’t know what goes on in her head. What would be her choices if she left?Would her parents living in a trailer take her and her kids? Would JB threaten to take away her kids? No job, no money of her own, no skills, where would she go? Anna has no choice.

[ginger90]

Their announcement reads like a promo for an upcoming episode. “Coming This Fall”.

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, Kbo said:

After only a month on the market they’ve dropped the price of their house by $10,000. Its a 5-bedroom house, it doesn’t seem like they should be out of space. Are they desperate for money?

https://www.realtor.com/news/celebrity-real-estate/anna-and-josh-duggar-drop-price-on-arkansas-farmhouse?cid=psc_uu_fb_evo_editorial_cel&content_id=fb%3A3vh.hiugs6m32xoj27ydxsxpb2eepjzmx7ib.nb2hi4dthixs653xo4xhezlbnr2g64romnxw2lzvgeztamjx

I'm thinking desperate for money. Josh was banking on getting a big settlement from that lawsuit and it didn't happen. I think whatever savings he had from his FRC money has run out, hence selling the house and slinking back to Boob. 

[bigskygirl]

31 minutes ago, bythelake said:

Well, this forum is aptly named, “A series of unfortunate events.”

That being said, Anna does a good job with the little ones. They look scrubbed clean and nicely dressed. They seem animated and engaged. IMO she’s a good mother.

Anna  loves being a mom, the kids are happy, nobody’s starving and they have a roof over their heads. The trade-off is living with Josh.

We don’t know what goes on in her head. What would be her choices if she left?Would her parents living in a trailer take her and her kids? Would JB threaten to take away her kids? No job, no money of her own, no skills, where would she go? Anna has no choice.

There is nothing wrong with living in a mobile home. Lots of people do it on a daily basis. To me, it is a lot better than being in debt for twenty to thirty years paying off a mortgage along with a lot more cost to keep a house well maintained.

A lot of single mothers take care of themselves and their kids also. They sometime struggle, but there is help out there. My one sister-in-law lost her husband after he took a second fall off a grain freight train car at work and had a stroke before of after the fall. She was not working at the time, but she manage to keep her and her two sons going with some help from family and friends.

I believe Anna's brother offered her help, but she did not take it. She has been told to go along with what Smugs wants and he is leader of the family, so if he wants her and the kids to stay with him, they stay with him.

Edited April 27, 2019 by bigskygirl

[KittyCat19]

11 hours ago, Heathen said:

Called it. Ugh. 

This is an instance when I feel sorry for Smuggar. I think he's been over having babies since Marcus was born, but in his family and culture, birth control is the equivalent of murder. I think Smuggar is probably miserable even if he can't vocalize or acknowledge it to himself. 

I don't feel sorry for him. He is a grown man and should be well aware of how to obtain birth control. If he won't do that because he loves daddy's money and has to do whatever JB says, maybe he should grow up and provide for his family on his own. He put himself in this situation. He had choices.

[lookeyloo]

Wow, they have hidden their respective miseries very well!  Acting school?

[Heathen]

3 minutes ago, KittyCat19 said:

I don't feel sorry for him. He is a grown man and should be well aware of how to obtain birth control. If he won't do that because he loves daddy's money and has to do whatever JB says, maybe he should grow up and provide for his family on his own. He put himself in this situation. He had choices.

It isn't that easy. Imagine walking away from your family of origin, your religion, your culture, your hometown, and everything you've been taught. It takes a far stronger and more intelligent person than Smuggar, not to mention that he'd go from financially comfortable to destitute without his family's money. Smuggar really doesn't have many choices now. 

I've done it, albeit without the family money issue. It was and still is hard.