Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[Zahdii]

"Anyone can make him a sandwich, but you are the only one who can meet that special need that he has in his life for intimacy... So be available, and not just available, but be joyfully available for him." - Michelle Duggar (paraphrased)

Anna's admitted to having baby lust.  As a result, I'm sure she was joyfully available for sex, but Josh still strayed.  After the scandals, she welcomed him back and even had another baby with him, despite his obvious reluctance to have more children.  I wonder if she was luring him to bed with a sandwich. 

Now there's rumors that Josh is cheating again.  I wonder if he's looking for sex with a side of birth control, or if he's also getting a better sandwich, maybe with a side of chips and a large sweet tea.

[DragonFaerie]

From the last big family photo where he's in that white shirt, I think he's hitting a strip club that has a buffet bar.

[Rabbittron]

 Its 1:30 in the morning and I cannot sleep. I know we'll never get the truth about what Anna knew about Josh before they got married about what the situation was but I was wondering what if they just told her he had lust in his heart.

[doodlebug]

9 hours ago, Rabbittron said:

 Its 1:30 in the morning and I cannot sleep. I know we'll never get the truth about what Anna knew about Josh before they got married about what the situation was but I was wondering what if they just told her he had lust in his heart.

Whatever they told her, you can be sure she was also told that it wasn't his fault, that some wanton behavior by his sisters and the babysitter made it impossible for him to resist.  And, most importantly, if he did engage in any untoward behavior in the future, it would be all her fault.  That Josh was a helpless, blameless victim has always been the narrative.

[bigskygirl]

14 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

Whatever they told her, you can be sure she was also told that it wasn't his fault, that some wanton behavior by his sisters and the babysitter made it impossible for him to resist.  And, most importantly, if he did engage in any untoward behavior in the future, it would be all her fault.  That Josh was a helpless, blameless victim has always been the narrative.

Wanton behavior by a five or six year old? GRRR!!! Reminds me of a case of a guy who raped an elderly woman in her own home because he said he was turned on because she used Ben Gay.

I still think he would have been a creep and thought he was God's gift to women even if he had a normal childhood and parents. Too bad we cannot put him on a small leaking boat out in the middle of an ocean and JB, Michelle and Deredick join him. Throw in some basic necessities and wave goodbye while they slowly blend into the background.

Edited September 18, 2018 by bigskygirl

[bythelake]

Whenever I see one of these family pictures, I wonder what the girls and their husbands really think about Josh. Jessa has said that they’ve moved on, but I find that hard to believe, especially since they have never received any therapy and basically were told to suck it up.

The girls have a relationship with Anna, but the guys have to find it hard to be cordial to someone who abused their wives.

There’s got to be some reason they all tolerate Josh. They all are so intertwined with JB, I don’t doubt that he’s told them he’s prayed on it and they should forgive and forget (or he’ll take away their houses,cars,trips and support).

[JoanArc]

54 minutes ago, bythelake said:

(or he’ll take away their houses,cars,trips and support).

Finally, an exit route appears! Not for the faint of heart.

[McManda]

2 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

he said he was turned on because she used Ben Gay.

... that is also a Friends subplot, but it was consenting sex and Vicks VapoRub.

[DragonFaerie]

On September 5, 2018 at 10:57 AM, libgirl2 said:

She probably thinks every woman out there is sleeping or sexting her husband. Seriously, I think she is very insecure after all that happened. 

I wonder if this isn't part of Jilly Bean's cling like a dryer sheet to Derelick?  Anna was joyfully available - we all assume because of her admitted baby lust, and yet Josh, the number one son, still strayed and paid for it.  Perhaps Jill is so clingy because in her mind if it could happen to Anna it could happen to her and after all her #besthubbyever is not working for Daddy or some political family thing - he's out in the workplace among the heathens!!!  Even more chance for him to stray!!!  Quick make a sandwich and drag him to the car to eat!

[bigskygirl]

3 hours ago, DragonFaerie said:

I wonder if this isn't part of Jilly Bean's cling like a dryer sheet to Derelick?  Anna was joyfully available - we all assume because of her admitted baby lust, and yet Josh, the number one son, still strayed and paid for it.  Perhaps Jill is so clingy because in her mind if it could happen to Anna it could happen to her and after all her #besthubbyever is not working for Daddy or some political family thing - he's out in the workplace among the heathens!!!  Even more chance for him to stray!!!  Quick make a sandwich and drag him to the car to eat!

I was thinking the same thing. The truth is Smugs and Deredick could not get women if they did not pay for it. No woman with half a brain would want anything to do with them.

[andromeda331]

16 hours ago, bigskygirl said:

Wanton behavior by a five or six year old? GRRR!!! Reminds me of a case of a guy who raped an elderly woman in her own home because he said he was turned on because she used Ben Gay.

I still think he would have been a creep and thought he was God's gift to women even if he had a normal childhood and parents. Too bad we cannot put him on a small leaking boat out in the middle of an ocean and JB, Michelle and Deredick join him. Throw in some basic necessities and wave goodbye while they slowly blend into the background.

I agree. I've never bought the idea that bring raised how he was made a molester. Nope, he's still be a disgusting creep the only difference is he may have had to face real consequences for his actions. Nothing in his demeaner as has ever said he's humbled or sorry for anything he's done. Including accusing others of being molesters. I love the sinking boat idea. I do sometimes also like to imagine all three in jail. Just imagine for a moment JB, Michelle and Josh in prison. All three would be someone else's bitch by lunch. And it would be awesome. 

[whydoiwatch]

On 9/18/2018 at 12:55 PM, bigskygirl said:

Wanton behavior by a five or six year old? GRRR!!! Reminds me of a case of a guy who raped an elderly woman in her own home because he said he was turned on because she used Ben Gay.

 

Hope the rapist got Ben Gay all over his "junk" - what a creep. 

[SabineElisabeth]

On 9/4/2018 at 3:52 AM, graefin said:

Aaaand (Anna voice), to get back on topic, whatever Josh's extracurricular activities might include, I can't feel too bad for Anna, since she chose to stay ("I knew if I went off of what I was feeling, I would make a mess into a disaster" suggests she did have thoughts of leaving). I've also seen her in a less sympathetic light ever since @FakeJoshDuggar outed her to be not such a nice person in real life.

 

On 9/4/2018 at 11:38 AM, BitterApple said:

One of our forum members met them and said Anna was snobby and standoffish.

I spent a few hours at the Bates' once when the Duggars were visiting, including Anna - and I did not get the impression at all that she is snobby or standoffish.  To me, she seemed a little shy, but otherwise, pretty bland and nice enough.  Of course, I'd never say that spending an afternoon with them in any way qualifies me to have a truly informed opinion on what they are really like, and certainly doesn't qualify me to say that I'm now able to "out" anyone as being one way or another.  YMMV, however.  ;-)

Edited September 20, 2018 by SabineElisabeth
grammar error /-:

[Sew Sumi]

She may have been more comfortable at a home rather than a political rally. Although at a rally, shouldn't one have their campaign face on at all times? 

[Christina87]

On 9/18/2018 at 2:40 PM, bythelake said:

Whenever I see one of these family pictures, I wonder what the girls and their husbands really think about Josh. Jessa has said that they’ve moved on, but I find that hard to believe, especially since they have never received any therapy and basically were told to suck it up.

The girls have a relationship with Anna, but the guys have to find it hard to be cordial to someone who abused their wives.

There’s got to be some reason they all tolerate Josh. They all are so intertwined with JB, I don’t doubt that he’s told them he’s prayed on it and they should forgive and forget (or he’ll take away their houses,cars,trips and support).

What you said got me thinking..."the girls have a relationship with Anna..."

And they do, which makes me glad, because Anna doesn't deserve to be left out of her own family. However, they've always seemed a bit distant and awkward to me. It's like they're super polite to Anna, and include her when it's convenient, but seem to keep her at arm's length. Knowing what we do about the molestations, it would be HARD to fully let someone in if they were sleeping with your abuser. I mean...that's just awkward. After what they went through, it would be weird hanging out with someone who willingly lets your abuser touch them. I wouldn't be able to think about anything else around her!

i used to think it was just because she was the only sister-in-law, but they are so chummy with Kendra! They even seem more friendly with lauren, who is harder to like than Anna. Even though Anna is older, she's not that much older! The girls are mostly in their mid-twenties, and should have more in common with someone around 30 than someone around 18. 

Another reason they could be not as close to Anna is because they knew all along she was an arranged marriage to keep Josh from straying, and look down on her for that. Maybe they realize how desperate she was to join the family circus, even if it meant having damaged goods, and feel they never would have settled like that. 

In any event, it would be hard to be besties with someone who is willingly being touched by your abuser, no matter how much you like them!

[Scarlett45]

@Christina87 I agree with you. I think the sisters don’t like Josh (for obvious reasons!) so being chummy with his wife is just awkward. 

[bythelake]

On 9/21/2018 at 5:35 PM, Christina87 said:

What you said got me thinking..."the girls have a relationship with Anna..."

And they do, which makes me glad, because Anna doesn't deserve to be left out of her own family. However, they've always seemed a bit distant and awkward to me. It's like they're super polite to Anna, and include her when it's convenient, but seem to keep her at arm's length. Knowing what we do about the molestations, it would be HARD to fully let someone in if they were sleeping with your abuser. I mean...that's just awkward. After what they went through, it would be weird hanging out with someone who willingly lets your abuser touch them. I wouldn't be able to think about anything else around her!

i used to think it was just because she was the only sister-in-law, but they are so chummy with Kendra! They even seem more friendly with lauren, who is harder to like than Anna. Even though Anna is older, she's not that much older! The girls are mostly in their mid-twenties, and should have more in common with someone around 30 than someone around 18. 

Another reason they could be not as close to Anna is because they knew all along she was an arranged marriage to keep Josh from straying, and look down on her for that. Maybe they realize how desperate she was to join the family circus, even if it meant having damaged goods, and feel they never would have settled like that. 

In any event, it would be hard to be besties with someone who is willingly being touched by your abuser, no matter how much you like them!

I agree with much of what you are saying. I think when the girls are around Anna they keep the conversation neutral. They avoid the “elephant” in the room.

But, I do think they all try to distance themselves from Josh, so by way of that Anna suffers the collateral damage.

However, Anna has 5 little ones and she homeschools. Her children always look nice. Maybe, she just doesn’t have the time to hang around with them. 

[GeeGolly]

I was under the impression that the Duggar daughters fully embraced and supported Anna after Scandal #2. Lauren and Kendra are the shiny new additions to Counting On, so they're featured on the show. It seems to me that the only times the families get together is for filming, events, or to hang at the TTH.

[ginger90]

[BitterApple]

Hmm, what's really going on? I find it hard to believe Boob would take Smuggars' family on a random mini-vavation. Is Josh in some new form of outpatient Jesus Jail?

[bigskygirl]

JB's smile reminds me of those slick traveling salesmen who would travel around selling a special type of medication who would cure any medical problems you have. Smugs look like he about six or seven months pregnant.

[Marshmallow Mollie]

Anna is wearing her hair longer ?

[drafan]

1 hour ago, BitterApple said:

Hmm, what's really going on? I find it hard to believe Boob would take Smuggars' family on a random mini-vavation. Is Josh in some new form of outpatient Jesus Jail?

JB must be the chaperone....after all, Anna has to take the Mkids to the bathroom, and that's a lot of alone time for Joshley and his Iphone.

 

18 minutes ago, Marshmallow Mollie said:

Anna is wearing her hair longer ?

.....like Joshley's favorite porn star.

[Christina87]

Guess Joshley isn't too destitute. So nice that his family gets to go on such a vacay when many hard-working Americans can't afford it!

[ginger90]

[Rabbittron]

Are they trying to get him into our good graces so we won't be upset when he's back on TV.

[Ohiopirate02]

50 minutes ago, Rabbittron said:

Are they trying to get him into our good graces so we won't be upset when he's back on TV.

I wonder if they had some kind of speaking engagement in the area that was not advertised.  Maybe a trial run for the Josh rehabilitation tour.  Why else would JB travel with just  Josh's whole family?  Josh and Anna will have to practice the speeches before they officially go on tour.

[bigskygirl]

18 hours ago, Christina87 said:

Guess Joshley isn't too destitute. So nice that his family gets to go on such a vacay when many hard-working Americans can't afford it!

I doubt Smugs paid for the trip. JB probably told him if he is a good boy he would take him and his family on a trip.

[JoanArc]

I googled - Kids under 15 get into the brickyard free with an adult ticket. Looks like they went to a practice race?  Were I Josh I'd skip large crowds, since someone would surely recognize me, and maybe say something. 

[Absolom]

They love family time?  What other time do they have?  They're almost all still enmeshed.  It does seem odd that JB was with them and the five couldn't/didn't go by themselves.  JB as the extra child wrangler doesn't seem to fit.

[Barb23]

6 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Looks like Anna is wearing the flowered dress again some have noticed she wore when she was pregnant.  Seems like she's been wearing it a lot lately. Our speculations may be right.

[Sew Sumi]

That's a different flowered dress. The other one had striped short sleeves.

[louannems]

18 minutes ago, Sew Sumi said:

That's a different flowered dress. The other one had striped short sleeves.

Yes, pale grey and white striped short sleeves on a flowered dress.  Lovely, not.

[Sew Sumi]

Quite hideous, in fact. Joy also has one, but at least she has only been seen in it just once.

[Lunera]

8 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Lol. I had some time on my hands.

[xwordfanatik]

True.  Joshley couldn't pretend to be "fetch" on his best day.

[ginger90]

[Scarlett45]

37 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

Barf. 

[JoanArc]

10 years of  Marriage, 2 years of sexual fidelity. Yaaaaaayyyyy!

[floridamom]

I'm of the opinion that the Duggar parents should not publicly comment on Josh and Anna's wedding anniversary. Considering Joshley's marital behavior, it would be in better taste if they kept quiet about it. Obviously, Josh was NOT HAPPY in his marriage nor is this the lifestyle he really deep down wants to live. He's being forced to continue in a set of beliefs that are too rigid for him.

Anna is still an idiot.

[Marigold]

Anna looks positively worn out. 

Wonder if Jim Bob came along on their trip to help Anna manage Josh? 

[kokapetl]

Who in their right mind takes a baby to the speedway?

[bigskygirl]

1 hour ago, kokapetl said:

Who in their right mind takes a baby to the speedway?

I seriously doubt JB, Smugs or Anna are in their right mind, so you may have already answer your question.

[mythoughtis]

1 hour ago, kokapetl said:

Who in their right mind takes a baby to the speedway?

The same family that takes a baby from Arkansas to Colorado to sit outside at a ski lodge.  So, not in their right mind. 

[Temperance]

On 9/26/2018 at 1:03 PM, Barb23 said:

Looks like Anna is wearing the flowered dress again some have noticed she wore when she was pregnant.  Seems like she's been wearing it a lot lately. Our speculations may be right.

That is a different flowered dress. However, I notice that in these pictures, she's careful to block her stomach. Some fundie women like to block their stomach to avoid speculation.  Anna, however, a month ago was standing by herself. I too think she's probably pregnant. I'm thinking March 2019.  

Edited September 27, 2018 by Temperance

[GeeGolly]

9 hours ago, kokapetl said:

Who in their right mind takes a baby to the speedway?

Surprisingly, the Duggars are not the only ones.

[Natalie68]

On 9/20/2018 at 12:55 AM, SabineElisabeth said:

 

I spent a few hours at the Bates' once when the Duggars were visiting, including Anna - and I did not get the impression at all that she is snobby or standoffish.  To me, she seemed a little shy, but otherwise, pretty bland and nice enough.  Of course, I'd never say that spending an afternoon with them in any way qualifies me to have a truly informed opinion on what they are really like, and certainly doesn't qualify me to say that I'm now able to "out" anyone as being one way or another.  YMMV, however.  ;-)

Since you have been up close and personal, is their hygiene as bad as it looks?  

[SabineElisabeth]

On 9/20/2018 at 2:55 AM, SabineElisabeth said:

 

I spent a few hours at the Bates' once when the Duggars were visiting, including Anna - and I did not get the impression at all that she is snobby or standoffish.  To me, she seemed a little shy, but otherwise, pretty bland and nice enough.  Of course, I'd never say that spending an afternoon with them in any way qualifies me to have a truly informed opinion on what they are really like, and certainly doesn't qualify me to say that I'm now able to "out" anyone as being one way or another.  YMMV, however.  ;-)

 

14 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Since you have been up close and personal, is their hygiene as bad as it looks?  

Meeting them pre-dated my (amazing) discovery of PTV, so I hadn't heard anyone snark on their hygiene at that point.....meaning it wasn't on my radar as something to pay particular attention to.  So, with that caveat, I can say their hygiene/cleanliness isn't something that registered in my mind at all, one way or the other, so it must not have struck me as being outside the realm of normal.  I apologize for not being able to provide a more detailed answer, but hopefully that's at least somewhat informative as far as your question goes!

Really, other than the fact there are A LOT of them, on the surface, they seemed pretty much like all the other people I grew up around in the South.  And given that outside of watching them on tv, my entire personal experience with them consists of 3 hours, give or take, I can only speak on a surface level with any degree of certainty.  Any other opinions I offer about them here are just that - opinions.  ;-)

[Natalie68]

On 9/28/2018 at 6:37 AM, SabineElisabeth said:

 

Meeting them pre-dated my (amazing) discovery of PTV, so I hadn't heard anyone snark on their hygiene at that point.....meaning it wasn't on my radar as something to pay particular attention to.  So, with that caveat, I can say their hygiene/cleanliness isn't something that registered in my mind at all, one way or the other, so it must not have struck me as being outside the realm of normal.  I apologize for not being able to provide a more detailed answer, but hopefully that's at least somewhat informative as far as your question goes!

Really, other than the fact there are A LOT of them, on the surface, they seemed pretty much like all the other people I grew up around in the South.  And given that outside of watching them on tv, my entire personal experience with them consists of 3 hours, give or take, I can only speak on a surface level with any degree of certainty.  Any other opinions I offer about them here are just that - opinions.  ;-)

Thank you!

[Christina87]

@SabineElisabeth that is SOOOO cool that you met them so up close and personal! I met JB and Michelle at a political event one time where they were signing autographs. Apparently they weren't going to sign anything, but I was with a small group of girls that really wanted to meet them and Michelle said to set up a table quickly, and they would sign ours. There was a major candidate at the next table, so no one else cared about meeting the duggars. Michelle seemed engaged and really sweet, but it was weird because they ushered us so that we were only interacting with her, not JB. I think he shook our hands and said hello, but Michelle was the one writing the Bible verse and making small talk, and then they had us stand next to her for the picture. I guess us poor hussies would have defrauded JB or something!

Edited September 29, 2018 by Christina87