Josh & Anna Smuggar: A Series of Unfortunate Events

[camom]

 

Oh, here's the blog post I mentioned upthread re: the Big Sandy conference. The mother sings Michelle's praises, so take everything with a truckload of salt.

 

This family couldn't be true Gothardites, though, since they have obviously adopted children (good for them!).

 

Although I hope we have seen the last of the Duggars on TV, I have a terrible feeling that we haven't.  Jim Boob and Michelle will do anything to keep the attention on them and keep the money coming in, including selling out their kids.

[JenCarroll]

Question from a non-show watcher, are the little ones really that feral?

There are reasons we call them the Howlers and the Lost Girls.

[bob.loblaw]

This family couldn't be true Gothardites, though, since they have obviously adopted children (good for them!).

 

I read the "About Us" section and she married a 28 year old guy at 17 after only dating 3 months.  Then fell headlong into evangelism.  Gotta give credit, adopting/fostering 6 kids is a wonderful thing, though I did bristle at the fact that they changed every kid's name after adoption, even ones who were clearly old enough to identify with the one they had.

 

She said Michelle spent all day cleaning the campsite and parenting kids.  I need the receipts on that one, lol.

[Julia]

This family couldn't be true Gothardites, though, since they have obviously adopted children (good for them!).

 

Although I hope we have seen the last of the Duggars on TV, I have a terrible feeling that we haven't.  Jim Boob and Michelle will do anything to keep the attention on them and keep the money coming in, including selling out their kids.

 

Don't you think, though, that maybe their moment has passed? The religious culture war as a political movement is a fairly recent thing, and it seems to be losing popularity with younger voters even though religion itself is doing just fine. I'm sure they'll find private support from the usual suspects, but I'm not sure their opportunities for institutional support are still there. The channel formerly known as CBN is showing a sympathetic reality show about transpeople (as is the Duggars' own TLC), and I think if they do try to go on an explicitly religious channel their weird hostile doctrines are going to be a real problem.

 

Oh the publishing industry would slap a five million dollar contract on the table for Joshie-poo to relate all the lurid details to a ghost writer in a second. These are, after all, the same folks who took an old, draft manuscript from poor half-blind Harper Lee's safe deposit box and published it with just a quick once-over. The same guys who let EL James just alter Fifty Shades of Gray a little bit, repackaging it from Christian"s perspective, and sold it as Grey.  They are desperate for those bestsellers and I think Josh's story would sell, sell, sell. Both Harper Lee's book and EL James' book had quick turnaround times.  The problem is, how does a publisher get in touch with Joshie now to make him the offer? Send an owl?

I have to disagree with your assessment, Julia. The Big Five publishers are ready to snap up any book that promises to make a pile of money (despite their rhetoric about being the glorious guardians and purveyors of literature). WalMart, too, is in it for the almighty dollar, and if Josh wrote a salacious tell-all, not only do I think WalMart would give it shelf space, I think the book would briefly touch the bestseller lists The book game is as debased as the TV biz, for all intents and purposes. Now if you'll excuse me, I need mittens, because hell must have frozen over--I can't believe I actually had a difference of opinion with you. :)

I'm trying to imagine the explosions if that happened. It wouldn't make me sad.

[pennben]

I don't see how Anna can win....she's either a hypocrite because she divorces Josh or is a fool for staying with him. Is there a third option for her?

[3 is enough]

People would still watch the Duggars.  Maybe not leghumpers, but those who disagree with everything they stand for would enjoy seeing their downfall.

 

Isn't the main attraction of most "reality tv" the freak factor? People watch and think, "My life might suck, but at least I am not those people".

 

Of course the show would have to change, and show more conflict.  A rehash of 19 Kids and Counting where they go on about how special they are and show the same boring stuff over and over would not work.  And I doubt Jim Bob would ever agree to show the real goings-on in the TTH.  

 

But you never know.  People desperate for money do desperate things, and with all those kids and grandkids to support his funds won't last forever. 

[Skittl1321]

This family couldn't be true Gothardites, though, since they have obviously adopted children (good for them!).

If you read all their Big Sandy posts, they went for 3 years before applying for ATI membership; but they have, were accepted, and do Wisdom books now.

 

They just weren't when they adopted.

[TheFinalRose]

We have several.  It might be a run-down post-industrial city, but there is plenty of good eatin' here.

 

 

 

Hmm, sorry if you thought I was asking sarcastically. I really wanted to know the restaurant's name since you seemed so excited about it. I've been to Rockford in my life due to friend/family connections so thought it'd be nice to know the place just in case. Also, what if I get bored and want to take a Sunday drive past RU and see if there were any intrepid reporters hanging around or maybe catch a glimpse of Josh? it'd be nice to know there was some good food at the end of the road.

 

 

[JenCarroll]

I don't see how Anna can win....she's either a hypocrite because she divorces Josh or is a fool for staying with him. Is there a third option for her?

Change her name and go on to lead a private life?

[MarysWetBar]

I don't see how Anna can win....she's either a hypocrite because she divorces Josh or is a fool for staying with him. Is there a third option for her?

Yes there is actually:

1. Bend over

2. reach out with both arms

3. Pull head out of ass.

[Jellybeans]

I don't see how Anna can win....she's either a hypocrite because she divorces Josh or is a fool for staying with him. Is there a third option for her?

I think Anna should do what Anna wants to do, not what her families want her to do.

[camom]

 

I think Anna should do what Anna wants to do, not what her families want her to do.

 

And there is the problem.  None of the kids in these families have ever been allowed to make decisions for themselves so they really don't know how to.  I don't think Anna trusts herself enough to not do what she's told to do.  I hope I'm wrong.

[subber]

Anna has options. Her brother has offered to take her and the children in. An Arkansas lawyer has indicated he will represent her for free. She's good with kids. She could do day care or (God forbid) get a job that doesn't require more than a high school education. Admittedly, leaving Josh and starting over would be difficult, and, ultimately it's her call. But she would be deluding herself if she thinks that Bible study is going to "cure" a man whose favorite pastimes are porn and hanging out at strip clubs looking for side action. If she stays, she will have to get used to permanently looking the other way.

[Jellybeans]

And there is the problem.  None of the kids in these families have ever been allowed to make decisions for themselves so they really don't know how to.  I don't think Anna trusts herself enough to not do what she's told to do.  I hope I'm wrong.

I agree with you. I also hope she loses this particular brand of faith of gives them all the middle finger and writes a tell-all.

But she won't.

[Rhondinella]

31 pages of the application & info.

http://ruhomes.org/w...ry_29_FINAL.pdf

 

 

Wow.  There's an entire master's thesis, at least, just BEGGING to be written in analyzing the differences between the rules for men and women in that list.  SO MANY QUESTIONS.  But the one that puzzles me the most is why the women are allowed to sleep in 30 minutes longer than the men?  Things are adjusted so eventually their schedules dovetail back together, so I don't understand the point?  Probably someone read an article somewhere back by "science" that said women need more sleep than men or something. *eyeroll*

 

If the stripper had the baby, JB and Michelle could just adopt it. Boom! 20 kids!

 

 

And their way back to TV!!  Even TLC couldn't resist bringing them back to air THAT!!

Edited August 28, 2015 by Rhondinella

[Darknight]

I don't see how Anna can win....she's either a hypocrite because she divorces Josh or is a fool for staying with him. Is there a third option for her?

Leave fundie land.

[Darknight]

Change her name and go on to lead a private life?

Yeah right, she loves this pony show

[3girlsforus]

Perhaps, but it was a risk free offer. She wouldn't take the help anyway. 

 

She won't even know about the offer. I have no doubt she's a virtual prisoner with no access to anyone outside the inner circle.

[sleekandchic]

I think the women are made to sleep in an extra 30 minutes as just another way to protect good men from lusting after the harlots. The men can get up, showered, shaved, dressed and down to breakfast before The Tempters start roaming the halls in sleep pants and camisoles, or flannel full-length nightgowns. No danger of eye contact and titillation.

On the face of the rule, it MIGHT seem that the women are getting a perk but I dont believe the 30 minutes of extra sleep is anything but just another method of control.

RU's leadership wouldn't consider reversing the rule to give the men the extra time either. Too risky that one of the poor, weak Adams might peek into the hallway to catch a glimpse of decollete or into the bathroom as the evil Eves are showering.

Edited August 28, 2015 by sleekandchic

[CherryAmes]

She should do what Dear Abby always said to do in situations like this (well no situation has ever been exactly like this I guess) but anyway, she needs to sit down and decide whether she is better off with him or without him.  If she chooses him so be it.  It's just too bad she's surrounded by people who aren't even telling her she has a choice.

[wovenloaf]

Wow.  There's an entire master's thesis, at least, just BEGGING to be written in analyzing the differences between the rules for men and women in that list.  SO MANY QUESTIONS.  But the one that puzzles me the most is why the women are allowed to sleep in 30 minutes longer than the men?  Things are adjusted so eventually their schedules dovetail back together, so I don't understand the point?  Probably someone read an article somewhere back by "science" that said women need more sleep than men or something. *eyeroll*

Nobody is going to want 19 little miracles with someone that has dark circles under their eyes, now will they?? They are doing god's work by getting these broads back into babymaking shape!! *barf*

[Wellfleet]

Josh can grow a fucking pair and go out a find a real job and get a real education. But nope he's too fucking lazy. Plenty of former fundies had nothing to work with and had to start from scratch but they made a living and supported themselves.

 

I agree. I think that Josh is quite lazy, and has been most of his life. Which, BTW, is very unusual in firstborns. IMO, he's never shown any kind of genuine ambition or passion for anything - no excitement for something that he'd pursue wholeheartedly. He says he wants to be a lawyer, but if admitted to Harvard tomorrow, I bet he'd leave within a year. Not because he can't handle the work [although he almost certainly couldn't] but because it would be much more work he ever imagined, and much more than he ever planned to do. He doesn't really have the example of hard-working parents to go by either. His father, in large part, has what he has because it was given to him - or because he wheedled, cajoled or pity-partied it out of other people. I have the suspicion Boob greatly disliked his own days as an employee, and often get a mental picture of him coming home in his grocery store shelf-stocker days complaining loudly and long to Me-chelle about how lame his supervisors were, how badly they were messing up, and how much better things would run if he was in charge.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Wellfleet

[kokapetl]

Childcare is no goldmine, at least not for frontline workers. It needs to be cheaper to employ someone to look after a child than it is for the child's parents to not work and look after the child themselves.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Kokapetl

[truthtalk2014]

I think the women are made to sleep in an extra 30 minutes as just another way to protect good men from lusting after the harlots. The men can get up, showered, shaved, dressed and down to breakfast before The Tempters start roaming the halls in sleep pants and camisoles, or flannel full-length nightgowns. No danger of eye contact and titillation.

On the face of the rule, it MIGHT seem that the women are getting a perk but I dont believe the 30 minutes of extra sleep is anything but just another method of control.

RU's leadership wouldn't consider reversing the rule to give the men the extra time either. Too risky that one of the poor, weak Adams might peek into the hallway to catch a glimpse of decollete or into the bathroom as the evil Eves are showering.

Does anyone have a link to the rules of this place.  I must be looking on the wrong site.  Thanks!

[BitterApple]

Regarding Anna leaving, I don't think she's ever thought about life beyond Wife/Mother. If she took her brother up on his offer, she could enroll in a two-year trade program that would give her a marketable skill. Josh would most certainly have to pay some kind of settlement plus child support so that would give her a little financial cushion. Would things suck for a while? Absolutely, but it would be much better than living your life wondering if your husband was giving you herpes or spending his checks on hookers.

[Churchhoney]

He's already lost his job, he's cost them their TV show, he's put his marriage in jeopardy, he's destroyed his entire family's reputation. What could possibly happen to him that is worse than what's already happened? I don't think Josh is brave either, but I think "something explosive" is exactly what's going on right now.

 

Josh has been out in the world and experienced living on his own, no matter how sheltered he was. He had a taste of freedom. Now he's back in Jesus Labor Camp. I doubt he went voluntarily -- they're practically holding his wife and kids hostage. Even if he returns to Jim Bob Land a changed man, he's never going to have a minute of freedom ever again. I think that just might be enough to push him out the door.

 

Yeah, you could be right. That certainly is quite list of things. ..... It may just be overdone Josh-despising on my part, but I don't see him as brave enough even to do it in light of all that stuff! To me, he comes off as a spoiled whiny baby, an all-hat-and-no-cattle pile of backwoods arrogance and a blustering wussy of staggering proportions. ....(Did I mention that I despise him (although not as much as I despise his parents)?) ... In either case, I guess we'll find out soon, looks like. The next year or so should be pretty interesting on the Josh front.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Churchhoney

[Blondeone21]

But isn't that the whole idea behind no education? Josh is totally enmeshed with his father. It is an unhealthy, co-dependent relationship, but this is what they look like. Josh has no independent personhood of his own. Josh has to do as daddy says, or else he is just a loser with nothing going for him. Josh has no education and no real work skills. How can he support four kids without the help of his father? The answer is that he can't; he is totally trapped with no way out but to "please" his father. Wow, well it took a week but damn if I am not coming around to feeling a bit sorry for this little turd. Josh himself knew he was not cut out for all this, so why did his parents force him? Was it really worth it?

He could do many things....work at a car lot, construction or flip burgers. From what I have read he has his own money. He is 27 and plenty of people do it on their own with kids. I agree that his parents did not set him up for a life of his own but that doesn't mean he can't do it.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Blondeone21

[Magoo]

People would still watch the Duggars.  Maybe not leghumpers, but those who disagree with everything they stand for would enjoy seeing their downfall. - 3 is enough

 

In my mind, this show could easily go back on TV if (and only if) Anna divorced Josh and the Duggars stood by her, openly supporting her decision.  And Josh would never be allowed to appear, ever.  The family would have their beloved cash cow back, the leghumpers would turn Anna into their own tragic, martyred heroine and secular fans would bask in Josh's banishment and societal shunning.  Win-win.  The big hitch in that whole giddyup is that the Duggars are their own worst enemy.  Jim Bob and Michelle will never turn their backs on their golden child or admit their parenting failures, Anna will always be made to feel like she was ultimately responsible for the downfall of this entire family by not being Godly enough (whatever), and divorce would make her even more of a pariah.  But for realsies...if they really, really want it all back, it's just that simple.

[Blondeone21]

I think we cannot discount how fame and fortune motivates the entire Duggar family. It makes no sense that J'Boob and ME'Shell Of A Human Being would make a statement about sending their grown adult son off to rehab, unless they were fighting to save the family image so that they can GET BACK ON TELEVISION. They are on the cover of this week's People, recounting how they have all survived, post-molestation scandal. In it they reiterate their anger at whoever in law enforcement released the records. There is even a little sidebar with Josh and Anna looking lovingly at each other. They were all working it to affect public opinion ... the public opinion that got them tossed off of tv. Sucks for them that the Ashley Madison scandal broke before the Put the Duggars Back on TeeVee groundswell could official start to swell.

All of these children, on the surface, have gone along and replicated their parents' lifestyle simply because to their ignorant, sheltered, inexperienced brains, their parents lifestyle has brought them all great fame and fortune. (They don't understand that half of the ratings are people tuning in to ogle a freak show). They are CELEBRITIES first and foremost now. The girls all want a wedding special, their children's births filmed, the cover of US and People, etc. We don't know how much pressure and competition there is amongst them to be featured on television. So it's hard to tell if they are replicating their parents lifestyle because they truly desire it, or merely because marriage and babies, right now, gets them their own very special episodes. Kind of like if a tree falls in a forest .... if you have 20 babies but no one is filming it is it still worth having 20 babies? Is it fun anymore if no one is filming it? I doubt it.

Also, does anyone think that Josh also might have confessed to his parents that he picked up a filthy and evil drinking habit? And that is what they have zeroed in on as the root cause of the problem and hence off to the drug and alcohol rehab center? Because I cannot imagine that Josh will do hookers and porn but draw the line at booze? Nah.

Just out of curiosity, what is the fantastic restaurant in Rockford?

Lino's Italian Restaurant. We have some of the best pizza places!

[sometimesy]

I agree with you. I also hope she loses this particular brand of faith of gives them all the middle finger and writes a tell-all.

But she won't.

On the Jessa thread, I posted that she would be my least favourite option to write the tell-all, but I would take it. It NEEDS to be written (real details, not JB approved book). I think Jessa would do it for fame and money. Josh for the same reasons. Now that I think about it, ANNA would be my least favourite. Anna is DULL and DIM. Sorry Anna, you didn't deserve to be cheated on, but you apparently knew he wasn't lily white when you married him, you stayed when it became public so you knew who you were standing by 3 months ago. Anna pushed for the kids, and IMO the J'slaves shouldn't be adding to their daycare for her. She can go to HER family, they have offered. It sucks that it is all happening in the public, but Anna knew what she was getting into. There was a camera at the proposal. She stood by Josh and his FRC bullshit. She has a place to go and at least one offer of legal help. I do feel bad for her, or any man or woman who believes in their relationship only to find they have been lied to the entire time, but if she is determined to stay, she has accepted the consequences.

[charmed1]

There's no such thing as stds in fundie land.

Hee! Sin pimples.

[Defrauder]

I don't see how Anna can win....she's either a hypocrite because she divorces Josh or is a fool for staying with him. Is there a third option for her?

Murder?

[MarysWetBar]

It's hard for me to put into words as it is mostly instinct rather than rational thought, but I have always preferred Anna over Jessa. Jill and Anna seem far more sincere to me for some reason. Jana and Joy also come across better to me than Jessa or Jinger. I find them both..let's use the word "sly". And I am not bashing them by any means...but I think that Anna, Jill, Jana and Joy truly believe in this bullshit they have been fed and attempt to live their lives that way. Jessa and Jinger strike me like mean girls whispering away behind backs...setting people up to catch shit from JB.

Jinger with the raccoon eye rolling..Jessa with the smirks.

And while I can almost respect them for independent thought and more backbone..I can't...cus "sly".

Jessa honestly used that word in a positive way in the interview.

Instincts.

[Patricia07]

Yeah, it was like Jessa admired Josh for being "sly".

[sometimesy]

It's hard for me to put into words as it is mostly instinct rather than rational thought, but I have always preferred Anna over Jessa. Jill and Anna seem far more sincere to me for some reason. Jana and Joy also come across better to me than Jessa or Jinger. I find them both..let's use the word "sly". And I am not bashing them by any means...but I think that Anna, Jill, Jana and Joy truly believe in this bullshit they have been fed and attempt to live their lives that way. Jessa and Jinger strike me like mean girls whispering away behind backs...setting people up to catch shit from JB.

Jinger with the raccoon eye rolling..Jessa with the smirks.

And while I can almost respect them for independent thought and more backbone..I can't...cus "sly".

Jessa honestly used that word in a positive way in the interview.

Instincts.

 

Anna does comes across as the sweet one, but remember they are taught to use their voices and smiles to give that impression of meekness. Anna seems deep into the cult. I don't like everything Jessa says on her Instagram, and I like to snark on her modesty boundaries, yet applaud her guts to push the envelope and her willingness to publically proclaim what she privately believes.

[Wellfleet]

Alice sounds like a fellow church goer.

 

That was my thinking too. From what she writes, she seems like someone "very inside" the church. The other day I was thinking she might even be a "he."

[kokapetl]

Anna probably probably does value motherhood over "wifehood". She takes pride in her children, Josh she seems less concerned about. If Josh wanted out of the marriage, I can picture her saying no way, to her this marriage isn't really about him.

[Anne Elk]

Yeah, you could be right. That certainly is quite list of things. ..... It may just be overdone Josh-despising on my part, but I don't see him as brave enough even to do it in light of all that stuff! To me, he comes off as a spoiled whiny baby, an all-hat-and-no-cattle pile of backwoods arrogance and a blustering wussy of staggering proportions. ....(Did I mention that I despise him (although not as much as I despise his parents)?) ... In either case, I guess we'll find out soon, looks like. The next year or so should be pretty interesting on the Josh front.

 

Oh, I forgot! In addition to all that, the whole world knows he's a child molester. So there's that.

 

I mean, damn. I always thought the Duggar way was going to produce some messed-up kids, but I almost have to admire how thoroughly Josh self-destructed. I would never have thought he had it in him. 

 

Yes, it's going to be interesting to see what he does next, which is not something I would ever have said about him a couple of months ago.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Anne Elk

[ariel]

I should confess, I am a bleeding heart. I don't like the Duggars condemning people, but I don't like the Duggars being condemned either.

I’m a bleeding heart too & I have no problem calling out the Duggars on their hypocrisy.  If that is considered condemning so be it.

[MarysWetBar]

Anna does comes across as the sweet one, but remember they are taught to use their voices and smiles to give that impression of meekness. Anna seems deep into the cult. I don't like everything Jessa says on her Instagram, and I like to snark on her modesty boundaries, yet applaud her guts to push the envelope and her willingness to publically proclaim what she privately believes.

I agree about the keeping sweet thing Anna and Jana and Jill have...I know they are working what they have been taught. But Anna is a good mother, I think..other than the cult-think she will perpetuate with her children. Her children are well behaved and seem to have little personalities. The Duggar littles don't. So, that gives Anna some slack from me. Jill's reaction on that interview broke my heart. Just cracked it. She seemed like that little girl again..the one pretending she was sleeping..pretending so hard so that her brother might fuck right off and get out of her room.

Jessa..not so much. Jessa using the word sly..I cant get her smirk and her use of that word out of my head. 

But like I said...just my instincts alone here. I dont know these girls at all.

I just know that if I was to have to pick them on sincerity or perceived sincerity...Jill and Anna come across as more "christian"...real christian...not phony swaggart christian, like Jessa does.

[OhioMom]

Oh, here's the blog post I mentioned upthread re: the Big Sandy conference. The mother sings Michelle's praises, so take everything with a truckload of salt. 

I'm really bummed out. I mis-read your original post, and thought it said that "Joshie" (not Josie) was reportedly a "wild child." Imagine my disappointment when, after reading the blog, I found nothing except Michelle supposedly correctly Josie, and telling her the proper way to "behave".  I was hoping for some more Josh dirt.

[kokapetl]

I'm really bummed out. I mis-read your original post, and thought it said that "Joshie" (not Josie) was reportedly a "wild child." Imagine my disappointment when, after reading the blog, I found nothing except Michelle supposedly correctly Josie, and telling her the proper way to "behave". I was hoping for some more Josh dirt.

it turned out to just be literally dirt on Josie. Edited August 28, 2015 by Kokapetl

[Granny58]

I don't see how Anna can win....she's either a hypocrite because she divorces Josh or is a fool for staying with him. Is there a third option for her?

divorce for adultery IS allowed in the New Testament, so it wouldn't be hypocritical, unless she has specifically said she believes it is even in such circumstances.  

[Liz Tudor]

 But the one that puzzles me the most is why the women are allowed to sleep in 30 minutes longer than the men?

C'mon, y'all...that 30 extra minutes is for countenance/hair/wardrobe work! As per Jill R. So, while the menfolk are having breakfast & Bible study, the ladies are trowling on makeup, blasting away hair spray, and outfitting themselves in their (very limited) choices of floor length skirts & shirts. But NO dangly earrings, mind you.

[Joe Jitsu913]

That porn star Josh "allegedly" cheated with looks like a porn-y version of Anna. Does anyone remember when Josh said that he was attracted to Anna because she reminded him of his mother? Talk about Mommy issues.

Edited August 28, 2015 by Joe Jitsu913

[yogi2014L]

That porn star Josh "allegedly" cheated with looks like a porn-y version of Anna. Dies anyone remember when Josh said that he was attracted to Anna because she reminded him of his mother? Talk about Mommy issues.

Maybe the porn star reminded Joshy of his mothers hussy days as a bikini clad cheerleader :-0

[becca3891]

...

 

Counting the hours until that livestream...

I missed something! What livestream?

 

This family couldn't be true Gothardites, though, since they have obviously adopted children (good for them!).

Definitely good for them! Gothard does not forbid adoption, though, contrary to popular belief. He merely cautions people to be aware of "generational sins."

 

It's hard for me to put into words as it is mostly instinct rather than rational thought, but I have always preferred Anna over Jessa. Jill and Anna seem far more sincere to me for some reason. Jana and Joy also come across better to me than Jessa or Jinger. I find them both..let's use the word "sly". And I am not bashing them by any means...but I think that Anna, Jill, Jana and Joy truly believe in this bullshit they have been fed and attempt to live their lives that way. Jessa and Jinger strike me like mean girls whispering away behind backs...setting people up to catch shit from JB.

Jinger with the raccoon eye rolling..Jessa with the smirks.

And while I can almost respect them for independent thought and more backbone..I can't...cus "sly".

Jessa honestly used that word in a positive way in the interview.

Instincts.

Yes! A good example of Jessa's slyness was when she flat-out denied throwing a bagel at a cameraman. Then, the producer called her out and said there was video footage. She kind of stuttered and looked totally busted.

[Fuzzysox]

Maybe the porn star reminded Joshy of his mothers hussy days as a bikini clad cheerleader :-0

You win the internet today. lol but ewww all at the same time

[Missy Vixen]

If instead of doubling down on these morally, spiritually bankrupt philosophies that have failed repeatedly, he made a drastic 180, he'd be so much better off. He'd win more fame, more money, and tons of respect for standing up and indicting his upbringing.

IMHO.

I'm not sure writing a tell-all would be great for anyone else than Smuggar. There are siblings who appear to want to be left alone. (Jana, JD, Josiah for starters.) a tell-all would make the previous ninety days look like an afternoon in the park as far as media attention. The fallout on the younger kids would be swift and catastrophic. Additional revelations may bring Arkansas' version of CPS swooping in to remove the Howlers and Lost Girls from the home. While they'd be away from their (alleged) BSC parents, they may not end up in a better situation after all.

 

I don't believe that Smuggar has the backbone or the moral center to do anything that benefits anyone but himself. And I don't trust that he would get the kind of professional advice that would (for once) put his siblings' health and safety above his own.

[wovenloaf]

divorce for adultery IS allowed in the New Testament, so it wouldn't be hypocritical, unless she has specifically said she believes it is even in such circumstances.  

Yep, because the cheating party has essentially (literally, really) already left the marriage. But the Duggars/Gothardites don't appear to read the actual Bible very often, or hang out with people who do...so I guess they wouldn't know that!

 

(edited b/c grammar!)

Edited August 28, 2015 by wovenloaf