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  1. The shiny gray ill fitting monstrosity that J'Chelle wore for Jill's wedding was, hands down, the ugliest mother of the bride dress I've ever seen. Where were those 19 kids when she came out dressed in that fugly thing? No one apparently had the guts to say, "Mom, that's hideous. Please change." I still think it was loaned or given to her by Kelly Bates, who wore it (without the stupid add on modesty bib) to one of her kid's weddings. It didn't look great on her either, but at least it fit. I don't think J'Chelle's dress for Amy's wedding was that bad. The white/cream wasn't necessarily the best choice of color, but at least it looked reasonably contemporary. When she shows up in something other than an ugly ass green puff sleeve button down shirt, long denim skirt, and old lady shoes, it truly is a cause for celebration. Now if she (and her headship) would only realize that frizzy mullet-like long perms went out 30 years ago, she might take a few baby steps into the current century.
  2. It's too bad this wedding isn't going to be televised. We are all missing an opportunity for some major snarking. Watching Boob mumble "Nike" as the bride makes her entrance and the boys dutifully look down at their shoes -- except for some sidelong defrauding glimpses of fleshy chest. A talking head in which a distraught Michelle frantically tries to cover up Amy's shoulders. The moment when Amy and her groom announce that the heavy duty partying is about to get underway and the Duggars flee en masse, creating a scene reminiscent of The Birds in which schoolchildren, frantically trying to escape their feathered predators, are trampled in the rush. Grandma Mary stays behind, grabs a beer at the bar, and joins in the chicken dance. I'd pay to see it all unfold in all of its glorious, kitchy splendor. Josh, you blew it bigtime.
  3. Josh is going to walk out of that place no better off than when he went in. He's been hearing fundie preaching all his life and it hasn't stopped him from experimenting on his younger sisters, indulging in porn, and seeking out sex in strip clubs. Maybe he sincerely wants to change. Maybe he doesn't. Maybe he's there because Boob and Michelle insisted and right now he needs their $$. I hope that at some point he can find the strength within himself to remind his parents that he's an adult, he knows he's made some terrible mistakes, but that it's his responsibility to work out his own problems in whatever way he sees fit. The two of them are a giant ball and chain that he needs to cut loose before he can even begin to address the mess he's made of his life.
  4. Anna has options. Her brother has offered to take her and the children in. An Arkansas lawyer has indicated he will represent her for free. She's good with kids. She could do day care or (God forbid) get a job that doesn't require more than a high school education. Admittedly, leaving Josh and starting over would be difficult, and, ultimately it's her call. But she would be deluding herself if she thinks that Bible study is going to "cure" a man whose favorite pastimes are porn and hanging out at strip clubs looking for side action. If she stays, she will have to get used to permanently looking the other way.
  5. When Josie was born, the Duggars didn't send her to a prayer group for medical attention. They trusted the well educated doctors and nurses whose skill kept her alive in a perilous situation. Some problems are simply too complex to be prayed away. Boob and Michelle are fools to think Josh can somehow be "cured" of his desire to look at porn and have extra-marital sex by sending him to a glorified prayer meeting. They've done enough damage. Nothing will change until Josh works up the courage to tell them to butt out and let him and Anna work this out for themselves with the help of a competent, educated, qualified counselor. There is no way Josh is going to spend 6 months trying to pray away who he is at the core -- a young guy stuck in a life he isn't suited for. I don't think he truly buys into Gothard anyway, and I predict he'll be out of prayerville in a couple of weeks. Hopefully he'll use some time there to take stock of who he is, what he wants, and how he and Anna should proceed going forward.
  6. We'll know whether or not the stripper was telling the truth if there are only crickets rather than a forceful denial in response. The no condom sounds like Josh. Wearing a condom would, in his feeble mind, be a greater sin than engaging in rough sex for pay with a stripper who appears in porn. Utterly predictable that anyone Josh banged would soon cash in bigtime. As for Pa Keller, he doesn't care who he marries his kool aid swallowing daughters off to as long as he can be freed from supporting them and they never come back. Esther's married to a self-styled missionary who hasn't established a stable home for a wife and 8 Biblically named offspring. He gave his blessing to Priscilla marrying TFDW, knowing full well that if David sought out porn on the internet, he wouldn't be looking at photos of women. And then there's Josh. Even after admissions of child abuse, porn addiction, and adultery, Pa Keller's apparently fine with Anna being a humiliated doormat. So far the brother seems to be the only one who gives a shit what happens to her.
  7. Josh is 27 years old. Anna should be under no illusion that he will change his ways and be faithful the next 50+ years. Not going to happen. He's not the person she thought he was when she said I do, and, most likely, never will be. He seems to want a lot of sex with different partners. I would bet big that he paid for the extra-marital sex and only regrets that he was caught. I hope for both of their sakes, they sit down with or without a counselor and have a heart to heart (no Boob or Michelle within 20 miles) to figure out where they go from here. He needs to for once in his life level with her about what he wants. Lots of speculation on here about what Anna should do. I think Josh needs to decide what he wants to do as well. They are both adults and need to put their families' opinions aside and focus on what's best for them and their children going forth.
  8. Josh and Anna were both 20 when God laid it on their hearts to marry. For Anna, popping out offspring was paramount, while Josh at long last had a sanctioned venue for sexual release. His choices for Mrs. Josh Duggar, however, were extremely limited. While he no doubt fantasized about bedding strippers and porn stars, he had to pick from among a small cadre of fundie girls who only wore long skirts and puffy sleeved blouses, and whose conversation revolved around favorite Bible verses. I have no doubt that Anna tried her hardest to please, but there's simply no way she could compete with what Josh was seeing online and wanted to experience for himself. At 20, he was completely unready to settle down and be anybody's husband. He remained like a hungry kid in an ice cream shop wanting to sample a bunch of different flavors and,apparently, he did. Josh is responsible for this mess, but the culture in which they were both raised did them no favors. This has less to do with who Anna is, but a lot to do with what Anna represents --the sweet, modest girl with a closet full of long skirts and puffy blouses who wants nothing more than to be a dutiful wife and good mother. Josh no doubt respects all that, but that isn't what he wants as evidenced by his Ashley Madison and okcupid profiles. He wants plenty of casual sex with no responsibility, and he will no doubt continue to pursue it. Anna may have been turning a blind eye all along or this may have come as a shock. Either way, she's probably in it for the long haul as marriage and motherhood is all she knows and she neither wants nor needs anything more.
  9. Who would want to be associated with the Duggars after this? Marjorie fled after the first Josh scandal broke. I think Boob may be stuck with supporting the entire brood indefinitely since I doubt employable suitors are going to be lining up to court the unmarried girls and the guys will have a tough time finding fundie girls whose parents would welcome a Duggar into the family. No one has an education except Derick, and even he has abandoned a paying gig. Joshie's screw up will have repercussions for the entire family for a long time to come. It's probably time to pull the plug on social media, retreat into the compound, make an accounting of their assets, and figure out how to live their lives out of the spotlight. It's about time.
  10. I suspect the admission of infidelity was a preemptive move in advance of what used to be known in the political world as "bimbo eruptions" -- a parade of women coming forth to cash in on their trysts with Doughboy. Chances are some of the women had no idea until yesterday who they were between the sheets with. Now they do. Josh is just trying to get ahead of the story and control the narrative. Any married women he was with are less likely to make themselves known. But unmarried ones or any who were paid for the privilege might just be cutting deals with any number of media outlets very soon. Josh really stepped in a huge cowpie this time.
  11. Josh's okcupid answers sound like they're coming from a horny 16-year-old anxious to get laid for the first time. No side hugs or Bible verses in those responses. He wants sex on the first date. He wants it everyday. Sex is what interests him. He wants to discover a new lover's body. He is interested in sexual role playing. It's ok to live with someone before marriage. Not answers one would expect from a Duggar. Josh and Anna had no physical relationship (other than some steamy handholding) prior to the I do's. Since the wedding, she's had multiple pregnancies and has the responsibility of taking care of four small children. She was raised with the idea that a woman must be modest so as not to stir up sinful thoughts in men but also taught that her worth is tied to her fertility -- having as many children as possible. It's easy to imagine a Gothard wife considering sex strictly as a means to an end and a wife's duty to her husband. Certainly not the stuff of porn fantasy. Josh's sexual appetite is apparently voracious and he wants more than what he gets at home -- whatever that is. I can't help but think that had he been allowed to be that normal kid who played spin the bottle, had girlfriends, dated, and had sex, he would have been less likely to have experimented on his sisters or been forced into an early marriage with a sheltered young woman whose goal in life is to spit out babies like a Pez dispenser shoots out candy. It was obvious when Anna informed him that baby #4 was on the way that he was less than thrilled. He just seems so over the husband /provider role. He just wants casual sex without responsibility -- the teenage/young adult flings that are forbidden in his world. Unfortunately, he's a married father of four who's been reminded, painfully, yet again, that actions have consequences. He and his family will be living with the aftermath of his poor choices for a lifetime.
  12. Anna also grew up in an uber religious environment in which even a simple kiss is saved for marriage. She's probably been so conditioned to think physical intimacy is sinful that she just grits her teeth and submits for the purpose of getting pregnant but gets no enjoyment out of it. She probably doesn't even know much about sexual practices beyond the tried and true missionary position. Strictly a guess, but I have a feeling Josh may have tried to get her to loosen up and go along with his fantasies, but got shut down. Rather than seeking some sort of Christian-based marital therapy that she might have gone along with, he eventually chose an enormously stupid, risky alternative -- seeking sex elsewhere. That he is a risk taker was already well established by the multiple times he molested his sisters under the nose of his parents. No doubt the Ashley Madison website made all kinds of guarantees of confidentiality. However, a man in his position at the time -- the public face of a conservative family values organization - should have known better than to get involved. He's a fool. I feel bad for the kids, and I hope if Anna doesn't flee immediately, that they get themselves to real counseling. I have a feeling there will be no response from Boob and J'Chelle. There's nothing they can say that would put lipstick on this pig. Just a cluster you-know-what all around.
  13. Regarding spouses for other Duggar children. I suspect there won't be any more Ben Seewald types in the mix. Without the cash cow tv show, Boob would be hard pressed to support any more unemployed slackers marrying his daughters. I think a decent job just became a Duggar courting prerequisite for any young man showing an interest in a daughter. As for the boys, Boob can't possibly employ all of them down the line so it might behoove each of them to learn a marketable skill. Of course their spouses, if they remain in the fold, will never work outside the home and they'll have lots of mouths to feed. I suspect that even if the show had continued, Marjorie might have bolted anyway once she came to the realization that the Duggars consider all women baby dispensers whose only purpose is to procreate.
  14. I called this here a few days ago. I think this was a totally fabricated "courtship" for tv. Marjorie was ok with it as long as it kept her name out there and she could potentially cash in from the exposure. Josiah seems to be a nice enough kid but is in no way, shape, or form marriage material. The families' joint statement, of course, emphasizes that this was God's will and that they will remain friends yada yada. The reality is that the Duggars are damaged goods, the tv show and the big income that came with it are gone, and there is no reason for Marjorie to stick around. Even though her motives may have been suspect, I'm still glad she dodged a bullet.
  15. Poor Izzy. Looks like he is suffering diaper leak and staring into the camera as much to plead, "Somebody, please clean me up!" Can't believe they posted a picture of him shirtless and in shorts. Very unDuggarlike. That 70s style porn stache on Derick looks awful, but it's refreshing to see him doing his own thing. Surprised he lost the scruffy look Jill favored. And he's showing a lot of leg, too. Looks like being out from under the considerable thumb of Boob is having an effect.
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