S11.E06: Frenemies Of The State

[WireWrap]

4 hours ago, tvfanatic13 said:

Wait- did Kelly drink the whole bottle of wine at that lunch? How long was it? Or did editing just make it look that way?

According to Shannon in her Bravo blog.... http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-11/blogs/shannon-beador/shannon-beador-i-did-not-set the meeting was "brief" and Kelly finished the whole bottle of wine herself! LOL

6 minutes ago, Almost 3000 said:

I thought Kelly looked very pretty and her outfit WAS in theme with her long loose hair and in that brown suede mini dress she had a "Charlie's Angles" Kelly or "Mad Men" Megan vibe. Yep, I had a similar dress and wouldn't have worn anything like that Mrs. Roper mess of Shannon's. Shannon was grasping at straws to find something to bad to say about Kelly with her Indian remark and I'm not going to get into that debate. Their fighting just wears me out because Kelly is dumb and fake and Shannon should know by now to just not react to everything.

Oh, and I can't stand Kelly but at least she didn't look a mess like Shannon and Harpo, who couldn't figure out what their theme even was in the first place. They looked like clowns.

According to Kelly on WWHL this week, she was channeling Cher (Sonny/Cher Show) with the NA costume. It was a big fail if that is true, she needed the long, straight dark hair for anyone to get a Cher vibe from that costume. LOL

[Almost 3000]

6 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

According to Shannon in her Bravo blog.... http://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-orange-county/season-11/blogs/shannon-beador/shannon-beador-i-did-not-set the meeting was "brief" and Kelly finished the whole bottle of wine herself! LOL

According to Kelly on WWHL this week, she was channeling Cher (Sonny/Cher Show) with the NA costume. It was a big fail if that is true, she needed the long, straight dark hair for anyone to get a Cher vibe from that costume. LOL

Ha! figures Kelly wouldn't get the reference right (she really is dumb) but I still think she and Vicki at least looked pretty.

[RHJunkie]

It's not at all surprising that Vicki was so eager to make herself the unsuspecting victim of David's. She conveniently forgot to mention that she bad mouthed David's wife at their party right in front of him. Vicki is just vile with her behaviour. 

[Giselle]

I spied Tamra's bag o eggs. Guess its one way to shut Tamra up.

"Shove an egg in your mouth." 

[CrinkleCutCat]

9 hours ago, slitz said:

I had to watch this using the Start Over feature on my crappy dvr box (it won't record anything now and I haven't had time to go replace it) and it stopped at the very tail end of Kelly and Shannon's sit down.  What happened in the previews?  Is this when Kelly calls someone a See You Next Tuesday?

Hard to tell exactly as the footage was all chopped up... But Heather is very angry! Loud. Finger pointing. And yes, that charming word was thrown out by that harridan Kelly.

[DeeplyShallow]

"How many women can say that they were around for the conception of their child?" - Megan's mom

Me: "Um..."

Also note- all those times I did IVF, I was not at the conception of my children...bc that was done in a lab ;)

"David's a cheater and a liar" -Vicki

Me: "Um...pot/kettle, Vic?"

[straightshooter]

Am I the only one who thought the outfit Vicki wore while talking to Tamra in her office made her look like a pilgrim?  She just needed the hat and the belt buckle and it was the perfect Halloween costume!

I didn't see much of the show at all, I admit it.   Word on the street here is that I didn't miss much.

Edited August 3, 2016 by straightshooter

[UsernameFatigue]

Wow, I never thought it was possible that I would prefer LuAnn and Jules on RHNY over any of the Howives, except Shannon, on RHOC. And I have no use for either LuAnn or Jules.

Kelly should change the second letter of her last name from an o to a u as she is a Dudd. As is her husband. How bad were the rest of the applicants for this show that Kelly was the best they could come up with? I guess Bravo thought a Howife with anger management issues would be entertaining. Not so much. 

I feel like I have entered the twilight zone when Tamra is the voice of reason and the only one bright enough to outsmart a 4 year old. But as usual I am totally bored with Brianna and her children. Big yawn. I am however concerned with said children's wellbeing when both their mother and grandmother are too busy figuring out how to give Brianna double ovens to pay attention to where the kids are and what they are doing. Sheesh.

I don't care about Meghan's IVF or absent husband. The writing was on the wall last year Meghan - just because you can't read doesn't mean I should have to suffer along with you. Tamra's fitness regime? Don't care. Thankfully we were spared with much of Heather's ongoing struggle with getting Terry to care about his children. See above, Heather.  At this point I am only watching for Shannon, and her hilarious THs. 

Edited August 3, 2016 by UsernameFatigue

[misschung]

So Briana gets an interior designer in addition to a new home? That's nice.

I still think Meghan's fertility issue is that she has no willing partner.  And what's up with her mom asking, "how many people can say that they were there at the conception?"  Um, all of them....?

[MerryMary]

I think Megan's mom meant how many grandmas can say they were there at conception but, of course, she thinks of herself as a mom because she's not a grandma yet (just guessing).

[Lady Grump]

28 minutes ago, misschung said:

So Briana gets an interior designer in addition to a new home? That's nice.

I still think Meghan's fertility issue is that she has no willing partner.  And what's up with her mom asking, "how many people can say that they were there at the conception?"  Um, all of them....?

I feel like it was pretty obvious what Meghan's mom meant. How many people have been at THEIR CHILD'S conception of a grandchild? Not complicated. Nothing to snark about, IMO.

[MaggieG]

Dance with Bullshit! Thank you for that one Shannon! 

Shallow note, I loved Heather's dress at dinner in DC, beautiful color and it looked nice on her. 

I didn't notice this last week but when they showed the flashback of Shannon coming over to David saying "Kelly and her husband are calling me dumb", you see Eddie in the background with that giant wig, stuffing food in his mouth. That made me laugh. 

Vicky and Kelly can go anytime, can't stand either of them. Next week!

[ivygirl]

59 minutes ago, UsernameFatigue said:

I feel like I have entered the twilight zone when Tamra is the voice of reason and the only one bright enough to outsmart a 4 year old. 

Anyone else watch The Soup and remember that "Stephanie Pratt: Unlikely Voice of Reason" bit/jingle? That goes through my head every time I think about Tamra this season.

"Tam(uh)ra Judge: Unlikely Voice of Reason. Tam(uh)ra Judge..."

[sasha206]

I think Tamra is becoming the voice of reason mostly because she's not drinking due to her training regimen.  And maybe in an attempt to woo her daughter back, she really is trying to become a better person and thinks the way to do it is thorugh being a Christian? 

[Bebecat]

I loathe Icky to the extent that I have no interest in Brianna's kids either. I also see them as mini-Ryans  (is that his name? ) I have to mute anytning with Icky on screen. And Kelly. So last night did not leave much, since I give zero f+*^~ about Meghan's journey. Ugh boring. Also Tamra's belly button-less belly is so unattractive, sorry, had to say.

 

so Icky, what, pays a down payment and maybe hires the decorator? But Brianna and the thug pay the bills and renovation? Is that her "gift"?

[lilmarysunshine]

It is also possible that Tamra's newfound faith is helping produce legitimate change for the better.

[straightshooter]

3 minutes ago, Bebecat said:

so Icky, what, pays a down payment and maybe hires the decorator? But Brianna and the thug pay the bills and renovation? Is that her "gift"?

Yep, she still hasn't learned the definition of the words "give" and "gift", or the phrase "buy you", as in "buy you a Mercedes" or "buy you a house". Dumb as dirt, that girl.

Edited August 3, 2016 by straightshooter

[Thumper]

I will need to see New and Improved Tamra for another season or 5 before I believe the transformation.

i was concerned about Brianna's boys playing in the construction zone too.  I wonder how bad the house was that they need to renovate immediately?  Maybe I've seen too many House Hunter shows with spoiled young things (or in is case, maybe Vicki) demanding the best of everything right away.  Sigh.

[bravofan27]

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I still think Meghan's fertility issue is that she has no willing partner.  And what's up with her mom asking, "how many people can say that they were there at the conception?"  Um, all of them....?

 

Actually, aren't the babies being "made" in another location? Most women's babies are made inside of them. But Maybe she was trying to be nice. 

Blue Cheese on steak? That's the problem? Your husband want BC and you don't? Uh, that's not a problem. Kelly's moms advice is very typical of that generation, "Just be nice and smile and all problems will go away." Uh, no. They will get worse. But at least she's not supporting Kelly being a crazy bitch.

Tamra does not have a body that builds muscle. I'm about as muscular as her and I work out about 1/10 as much and do almost no weights. 

Nice that Meghan blamed all the survivors for not getting screened early enough. "You all almost died! And it could have been easily preventable if you were screened!" Uh. Gawd.

Jimmy is going to tell Meghan later, "I never answer the phone when I play golf. I only answered it because I was worried about you." And then Meghan will feel honored. The problem is that Meghan and Jimmy aren't compatible. She's trying to make him into the husband she wants him to be, and he is trying to put her in her place all the time. When you play these games with your spouse, it can be bad.

Of course it is Vicki's house. She just found a renter, a forced renter. Brianna. I'm sure they sold the house because it was really Vicki's house (in Oklahoma) and Vicki wanted to sell it. 

Troy and Owen are adorable. What great friends they will be. Sooooo cute. 

Shannon is bonafide hysterical. 

[Mondrianyone]

Maybe someone can tell me if I'm seeing double or if this is an actual thing.  (And sorry if it's already been mentioned.)  I gave up watching Flipping Out maybe three seasons ago, but I do see the promos on Bravo, so I'm vaguely aware that Jeff and his partner are trying to have a baby--or pretending to try.  I'm about 95% sure that the doctor (Dr. Potter?  I think that's his name) is the same doctor who's doing Meghan's IVF.  Which seems a little weird, since she's in the OC and Jeff's in L.A.  He can't be the only fertility specialist in all of SoCal.  Am I just watching too much Bravo, or is this guy angling for the Terry Dubrow ob-gyn show?  Crotched, maybe?

[straightshooter]

Same guy.  

[Happy Camper]

9 hours ago, bichonblitz said:

Tamra seems checked out this season. Like the thrill is gone. Maybe she is bored with being the born again good girl. 

Megan, you twit. When you start dating a man and he tells you he is through having kids, and the 4 he has are enough, BELIEVE him and move on to someone else.  But no, you had to whine about it until he gave in just to shut you up. Now you're upset because he doesn't care (and neither do the rest of us) about your friggin' egg retrieval.  So you are going to bring a kid in to the world that will hardly ever see their father and you will most likely end up divorced.  Unfortunately, BRAVO thought it a good idea to film your unhappiness and Jim's douchiness for all of us to watch. 

I feel badly for Meghan. She would have been so much happier if she had married a guy that did not have kids and could share this exciting journey of becoming first time parents with her. She did not choose well for her partner.

[What In The]

Kelly and her living situation are just odd. Why is she staying with someone she clearly doesn't love, why is her mom living with them, and the brother? 

[brini]

9 hours ago, Juneau Gal said:

If we are going to continue to see Tamra in a bikini I'm gonna need her to draw in a belly button, get one tattooed on, or something. Her stomach area just looks too weird. 

Yes!  Tamara needs to discuss this with Heather.  Definitely a more interesting storyline than any of the current boring Vicki/Brianna/Kelly and her creepy Voldemort husband crap.

It would be a great opportunity for Terry Dubrow to get some more of his coveted screen time too.  On Botched Terry has often times mentioned that either he or one of his associates does both nipple tattoos (post revision of boob jobs originally done cheaply in 3rd world countries) and also belly button tattoos (post tummy tuck revisions).   He raves about how realistic the results are.    Get on this Tamra - your bikini shots look so odd, plus you'll get more screen time.

[Mondrianyone]

3 minutes ago, straightshooter said:

Same guy.  

That was fast!  Thanks!

They must've negotiated some kind of bulk rate.

[straightshooter]

Just now, Mondrianyone said:

That was fast!  Thanks!

They must've negotiated some kind of bulk rate.

Ha!  I just happened to be sitting here looking at the screen when your post popped up.  I like the idea of Crotched!

[WireWrap]

15 minutes ago, Mondrianyone said:

Maybe someone can tell me if I'm seeing double or if this is an actual thing.  (And sorry if it's already been mentioned.)  I gave up watching Flipping Out maybe three seasons ago, but I do see the promos on Bravo, so I'm vaguely aware that Jeff and his partner are trying to have a baby--or pretending to try.  I'm about 95% sure that the doctor (Dr. Potter?  I think that's his name) is the same doctor who's doing Meghan's IVF.  Which seems a little weird, since she's in the OC and Jeff's in L.A.  He can't be the only fertility specialist in all of SoCal.  Am I just watching too much Bravo, or is this guy angling for the Terry Dubrow ob-gyn show?  Crotched, maybe?

He has several offices. http://www.havingbabies.com/

[Sew Sumi]

I see Dr. Boonstafar is on the staff. He did Jen Arnold's (failed) IVF cycles on The Little Couple. 

[Bebecat]

Wonder if the house was a foreclosure.

[smores]

I wish that Shannon had just used something other than Indian when arguing with Kelly.  I think she would have come off better in the whole situation.  I don't think she meant it as a slur or anything, but, it's one of those things that in retrospect, it just muddies the waters, and if she had just said something else instead, called her a hot mess, said at least my reference was appropriate, anything, she wouldn't have to defend her own point.  Kelly would just stand as the asshole.

Which brings me to, Wow, is Kelly an asshole.  She has pretty much been gunning from Shannon from the start.  Unless there's something we didn't see, she started with a snarky comment about Shannon's school on the yacht (which she tried to say on WWHL was friction caused by Shannon as they were leaving the yacht), and just really hasn't let up.  I don't know why she has the issue, and basically, it's a bad look.  I'm not a fan, and she and her weird, crazy family can leave at any point.  I'm on Jenny from Encino's side in all questions.  

I feel for Meghan, even if Jimmy told her he was doing this for her, we don't know that he made it clear that he wasn't going to be involved.  And even if he did, I can't say that I wouldn't hold out some hope that he'd be so overcome with the situation that he'd get all gooey and into the whole new parent thing again.  I get her feeling sad about it.  I also am a person who handles most appointments without her spouse, but, he would definitely be at an egg retrieval.  If he couldn't for some reason, it would be a big deal for both of us, so I see how Meghan does feel sad about it.  I'm not saying she shouldn't have expected it, just I get why she's sad.  

I don't understand the whole car thing with Vicki.  I have a car that is no where near the luxury brand that Vicki's is.  But it was made in 2010, and it has a keyless system.  You can't lock the keys in the car, if the fob is in the car, the doors will not lock.  I would think it's a pretty standard thing, since there isn't really a key or keyhole to open the car with.  Am I misunderstanding what happened, or was production making that seem way worse than it really was?

[swankie]

20 hours ago, Juliegirlj said:

How F'ed up is it that Nina is the ex wife of Megan's fertility Dr? I wonder if perhaps it was Megan that set Kelly up at that party?! She was the common denominator in the situation.

But Kelly is supposed to be Megan's friend.  Why would Megan set her up?  She has no beef with Kelly.

[swankie]

20 hours ago, esco1822 said:

Kelly really is so dumb. Her overreaction to Shannon saying she looks like an Indian killed me.  Automatically Kelly jumped to that meaning Shannon thought Indians are ugly.  Um, what?

I thought the same thing because of what was said before Shannon's comment.  I'm remembering it as:

Shannon:  "You called my friend ugly!"

Kelly:  "She is ugly!"

Shannon:  "Well you look like an Indian!"

Now to me, and Kelly, it is insinuating that Indians are ugly.  Maybe that's not what Shannon meant, but given the way the conversation was going, it's not hard to jump to that conclusion.

Edited August 3, 2016 by swankie

[swankie]

20 hours ago, Ubiquitous said:

Kelly doesn't know Shannon, either.

Let me put it another way.  Kelly doesn't have to work with Jacki and won't be having as many interactions with her as she will with Shannon.  Jacki is a non mutha fukin factor!  (Quoting Evelyn Lozada from Basketball wives here.)  Plus, Kelly WAS mad at Jacki because of what she said in front of Kelly's husband so I don't get the statement that Kelly got mad at Shannon but not Jacki.  She was pretty much mad at both of them.  And another reason why I think Shannon was in on the setup (even if production spearheaded it) was the fact that she got so ticked off at Kelly when she interrupted Jacki when she was going to spill the beans about Kelly's so called affair.  Kelly asked Jacki what she was saying about her and when Jacki began to speak, Kelly interrupted and Shannon yelled very aggressively, "Shut up and let her finish!!!" or something to that effect which lead Kelly to say, "Okay Mrs. Roper!" which made the whole conversation take a different turn.  But to me, Shannon wanted really bad for Jacki to repeat the gossip in front of Kelly and when that didn't happen, she did it herself after Kelly made the comment, "No wonder why your husband cheated on you."  I think Shannon wanted to get back at Kelly for the little insults Kelly gave her since they met.  I just think she was hoping Jacki would say it so she wouldn't have to.

[Ubiquitous]

10 hours ago, Giselle said:

I spied Tamra's bag o eggs. Guess its one way to shut Tamra up.

"Shove an egg in your mouth." 

I was about to say that was Meghan's bag of eggs before I realized you weren't talking about that.

 

10 hours ago, straightshooter said:

Am I the only one who thought the outfit Vicki wore while talking to Tamra in her office made her look like a pilgrim?  She just needed the hat and the belt buckle and it was the perfect Halloween costume!

I didn't see much of the show at all, I admit it.   Word on the street here is that I didn't miss much.

 

8 hours ago, lilmarysunshine said:

It is also possible that Tamra's newfound faith is helping produce legitimate change for the better.

I hope it is so and not just another way to stay on the show. The cynic in me thinks she's trying to get screen time and parental unit time.

[MyAimIsTrue]

On ‎8‎/‎2‎/‎2016 at 2:09 AM, RedheadZombie said:

Well ..... She actually started it with, "Good morning, thank you guys for having me ...".  Like Meghan, I'm a Midwesterner, and "you guys" is what everyone says where I'm from.  I now live in the Atlanta area, but absolutely refuse to EVER say "ya'll".

I'm originally from New York so "you guys" is part of my natural lexicon and I used to live in Atlanta and also made a promise to myself that I would never ever say "y'all," and I haven't! 

That being said I didn't even notice Meghan saying "you guys" in the opening of her speech.  I was more shocked by how seemingly unprepared she was.

[Beden]

3 hours ago, smores said:

I don't understand the whole car thing with Vicki.  I have a car that is no where near the luxury brand that Vicki's is.  But it was made in 2010, and it has a keyless system.  You can't lock the keys in the car, if the fob is in the car, the doors will not lock.  I would think it's a pretty standard thing, since there isn't really a key or keyhole to open the car with.  Am I misunderstanding what happened, or was production making that seem way worse than it really was?

Apologies if this has been mentioned but I have a keyless entry for my car and, well, it being a car I also have a spare key(less) fob as a back up which I keep in a drawer in case it's needed for anything.

Spare key--just a thought. You can use them to open a door...

[tvfanatic13]

^ If the fob is in the car, you can't lock it from the outside, but you can lock it from the inside.

[slitz]

12 hours ago, DeeplyShallow said:

"How many women can say that they were around for the conception of their child?" - Megan's mom

Me: "Um..."

Not sure if other's commented on this already, but I'm pretty sure Meghan's mom meant to say grandchild...because really, how many women can say they were present for the conception of their grandchild?  None I hope.  And I need brain bleach now.  *shudders*

[slitz]

11 hours ago, Bebecat said:

so Icky, what, pays a down payment and maybe hires the decorator? But Brianna and the thug pay the bills and renovation? Is that her "gift"?

It's even worse than that.  Both Vicki and Brianna have stated in their TH's that once Brianna and Ryan sell their Oklahoma house, that money will be used to PAY BACK the down payment to Vicki.  So....how is this a gift?  I swear, Vicki's perception of what constitutes a gift or what is deserving of a casserole makes my head spin.

[Crazydoxielady]

Meghan....he just isn't that into you....or the child.... I give this marriage 2 years tops. At least she has sealed her financial future with child support.

I fast forwarded thru the ENTIRE thing with Meghan speaking about colon cancer. Of course Jim didn't want to be there, it is poor taste to be trying to garner attention over your "friend" dying of the disease, when in reality it is your husbands ex and the whole thing is weird and speaks to me of Meghan crying out for attention AGAIN.  "look at ME while I give my IVF shot, no I'm  not infertile really....but you know....! Look at ME while I speak about my husbands ex dying of this horrible disease!"  How dare her come down so hard on Vicky with the Brooks debacle,  when she uses others pain for a story line just a quickly. 

Seeing Briana go out to the Mercedes Vicky bought her while in nursing school just reinforces that time has not been kind to that young lady.

Kelly Kelly Kelly. You can not leave my screen soon enough. She has crazy eyes worse than Ramona, I think there is some true mental illness there. Also....one can not be engaged while separated from someone else.  She wants some kind of award for being separated while engaged, but in my area we just call that "ho-ish behavior."  Her poor husband is stuck with that entire mess of a family, burnt steaks and all (I like blue cheese too on my steaks dude!)

Tamra looks fantastic and seems to be in a better place than ever. I refuse to rag on her for making herself a happier person with achievable goals. Go Jesus Tam!

[SweetieDarling]

I will never, in a bazillion years, understand why Shannon pays The Evil Dr Moon (did you hear his maniacal laugh?) to torture her.

Did she say "Hi Jesus" when she screamed out in pain?  She cracks me up!

[Giselle]

13 minutes ago, Crazydoxielady said:

I fast forwarded thru the ENTIRE thing with Meghan speaking about colon cancer. Of course Jim didn't want to be there, it is poor taste to be trying to garner attention over your "friend" dying of the disease, when in reality it is your husbands ex and the whole thing is weird and speaks to me of Meghan crying out for attention AGAIN.  "look at ME while I give my IVF shot, no I'm  not infertile really....but you know....! Look at ME while I speak about my husbands ex dying of this horrible disease!"  How dare her come down so hard on Vicky with the Brooks debacle,  when she uses others pain for a story line just a quickly. 

I fast forwarded through Meghan's speech too but for other reasons. It's like every other cause awareness, fund raising, empowerment speech. I've filled my lifetime quota of having to listen to those.

[politichick]

2 minutes ago, Giselle said:

I fast forwarded through Meghan's speech too but for other reasons. It's like every other cause awareness, fund raising, empowerment speech. I've filled my lifetime quota of having to listen to those.

And she didn't need to travel cross country to deliver her bad speech, either. I work on Capitol Hill and clearly the group she was addressing was having a lobbying day on the Hill and then got that room for people to speak. There were no members at all, it seemed, or at least any willing to participate.

The RHOA got members to meet with them when they came to Washington to discuss issues affect black men and boys. And Phaedra led a very serious group discussion that included a few members on gun violence at the Dems convention.

I fast-forward through everything focusing on Meghan as I'm sure her husband wishes he could do.

[lilmarysunshine]

57 minutes ago, Crazydoxielady said:

I fast forwarded thru the ENTIRE thing with Meghan speaking about colon cancer. Of course Jim didn't want to be there, it is poor taste to be trying to garner attention over your "friend" dying of the disease, when in reality it is your husbands ex and the whole thing is weird and speaks to me of Meghan crying out for attention AGAIN.

Yeah....that.  I probably would feel differently if her "friend" was one of her best friends - maybe like a sister - and Meghan was there for her at every turn - going to appts, bringing her meals, etc.  But I don't think that is the relationship she had with Leann. I think they were pretty friendly and they had the kids in common but that probably was it. I lost a very dear friend to cancer when I was 27.  His death has affected me greatly. Still I would never presume to make myself (and the cause won't turn it down - free RHOC publicity) as a spokesperson for the cause. Maybe organize a team for a fun run or something like that? Certainly. Meghan could have easily done that and she could have raised money and awareness by taking a role that wasn't so prominent. But I think at the heart of the matter, that's really what it is mostly about for her. 

A cause she can truly speak for is third wives dealing with the "infertility" of their partners, fathers of 4 who chose permanent birth control years earlier.

[Snarky McSnarky]

14 hours ago, misschung said:

So Briana gets an interior designer in addition to a new home? That's nice.

 

Briana will be paying for her double oven and everything else in that house for the rest of Vicki's life.  She'll never, ever let Briana forget how she "helped" her.

Edited August 3, 2016 by Snarky McSnarky

[StatisticalOutlier]

So here's the conception conversation:

Meghan's Mom:  "How many moms can say they were there at the conception?"

Meghan:  "God, I hope in this way only."

[Snarky McSnarky]

1 hour ago, AnitaKnight said:

I will never, in a bazillion years, understand why Shannon pays The Evil Dr Moon (did you hear his maniacal laugh?) to torture her.

Did she say "Hi Jesus" when she screamed out in pain?  She cracks me up!

Are you saying plastic suction cups on her back and a tattoo machine without ink don't really remove toxins from her body?  I'm shocked...SHOCKED.

[bichonblitz]

11 hours ago, Sew Sumi said:

I see Dr. Boonstafar is on the staff. He did Jen Arnold's (failed) IVF cycles on The Little Couple. 

I think he also did Guiliana and Bill Rancic's IVF cycles. Yes, I actually watched that show. 

[gunderda]

On 8/1/2016 at 11:12 PM, WireWrap said:

I have had "cupping" done to me but it was to increase circulation in that area of my body, not to remove toxins. LOL Oh, and it worked.

My massage therapist does it with my massage. It's not traditional cupping where she puts the cup on and leaves it there.  She gets it to suction on and then moves it around - usually my back - but she also does it sometimes on my face/neck on the sinus areas.  I totally love it.  And I'm sure it does have toxin releasing qualities because that's what they say massages do also. 

The first time she asked if she could do it on me I said "is it going to leave a mark!?!" (it doesn't)

And my massage therapist isn't an old chinese man - she's a white girl from new york lol 

[Snarky McSnarky]

12 hours ago, What In The said:

Kelly and her living situation are just odd. Why is she staying with someone she clearly doesn't love, why is her mom living with them, and the brother? 

Because they're all grifters who can spot a Mark a mile away?