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    S11.E19: Reunion Part 2

    I wasn't saying that Bambi wasn't family to Dabney as well. What I was saying is that, for me, I don't know anyone who has ever had an adult sibling come in from out of state to say goodbye to a pet, so I could see how it would strike Bethenny as strange. It isn't uncommon when it's a family pet that the kids (now adults), grew up with and they say goodbye before it is put down. As I mentioned, my family got a cat when I was a teenager, I was somewhere in my late 20s or early 30s when my parents had to put it down. But it does seem a bit strange to me (in that this is the first time I've ever heard of anyone doing it), for someone to get a pet in their 30s and then for their adult sibling to travel to say goodbye after it's death. I'm not making fun of Tinsley and everyone should do what helps them to feel the best they can in a difficult situation like this. I think some of us are just saying, oh, interesting, I didn't realize that some people did that.
  2. I don't find Mauricio to be hot, he seems smarmy and sleazy to me. He's always struck me as a salesperson, from the first time he was introduced on the show. He's not a used car level sales person, but there's just a slick, salesperson edge to him that he never seems to drop and he always seems kind of surface-ish. I also think that there's 3 sides to the whole stolen goddamn house. I'm confident that Kyle and Mauricio have paid a ton of Kim's bills over the years, made sure her kids ate, had a home to live in, etc. I'm also sure that something got mixed up when it comes to the house. My guess would be that it was something somewhat lost in translation, like when Kyle's mother died, the 3 of them inherited the house. At some point, Kyle and Mauricio opted to buy Kathy out. Kim may have needed money and/or not wanted to pay for the upkeep on her portion of the house, and so they also purchased her portion. Likely she wasn't intending to never own the house again or ever be able to use it, so I could see a conversation where it was like don't worry, you can always buy it back when you have the money, etc. Then when Kyle and Mauricio wanted to sell the property to buy the house they own there now they pretty much said, well, we're selling the house. Kim would have had to either pay the current market rate for the house or they were going to sell it, because why would they take a loss on the property they've paid for and maintained all these years? In a case like this, I couldn't fault Kyle or Mauricio, because I certainly wouldn't sell the house back to a sibling of mine for the 1/3 share that I paid them back whenever it happened, especially given that the property had likely gone up in value. But at the same time, I can see how Kim would feel like she was screwed in the deal as she was selling her portion in exchange for help, kind of as collateral on a loan, and told she could always buy it back, but then later it was "buy the whole house or too bad, so sad" That's my speculation, anyway. About the lawsuit, it's very telling for me that Mauricio's insurance company refused to represent him and pay last year. They sided against him, feeling that he was guilty. That's NOT a good thing, as you pretty much pay for insurance specifically for these situations. I also think there is trouble in River City, given that they switched the name on the brokerage license last year, and they have apparently been losing a lot of their top agents. The Agency seems to be having issues overall: https://therealdeal.com/la/issues_articles/drama-at-the-agency/ For someone who supposedly struggled with an eating disorder and has a friend whose child has struggled, it seems like she'd have had a nicer response. They're funny? Why not just say that they aren't the best idea?
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    S11.E19: Reunion Part 2

    That's on the sound people and the editors, though. Each of the women are wearing a microphone and they can pick up the sound from each person and show it however they want. There are times they will show a scene with (for example), all the wives at dinner. They might show us an overview of the whole table talking, but we only hear the conversation that Dorinda and Bethenny are having at that particular moment. Then, later we'll see a side conversation that Sonja and Luann were having and they realized that Dorinda and Bethenny were discussing something and they began having a reaction to whatever it was that D & B were talking about. So we know the two conversations were happening at the same time, but they picked up the audio and made that prominent at whatever given moment. It's not Bethenny's fault that we heard her in that moment, she was likely actually very quiet and they played her audio in that scene. When Andy and Tinsley are having their conversation and that's what we're hearing, you don't hear Bethenny in the background, despite the fact that they are talking. Yes, it is. Most of the time when I have nervous laughter I am trying really hard to suppress it before it comes out. Sometimes I'm able to, but sometimes I'm just not. Then you're stuck trying to take deep breaths, redirect your attention to something, anything else. You're pinching yourself as hard as you can, to try to focus on it hurting to not laugh. I try to very consciously arrange my face so that it is neutral. But, if I can't stop it in time then all hell breaks loose. I'll be honest, in some ways I do think Tinsley was ridiculous with the dog. Not her grief because she lost the dog, of course. I get that. But I just honestly don't know anyone who has flown in from out of town to say goodbye to their adult sibling's dead pet. I get wanting to see a pet a final time if it was your family pet (like in the case of the cat my parents got when I was a teen, when they had to put it down, they checked with all of the kids to see if we wanted to visit before they put it down), but, if one of my siblings is going to put down a pet, I am sad for them, but not going to visit. And I also come from a family that is kind of strange about death at times, which I'm aware of. I can, because of that, come across as insensitive about death. I'm right there with Dorinda in being curious about the texture of the dog when it's defrosted. I would want to know, but I wouldn't have asked Tinsley. Now if it was my parent, I would ask, because it would be a normal question, no one would be offended. It's not coming from a place of mocking the person who is grieving, it's just curiousity and not taking death super seriously.
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    S04.E11: Can I Get a Witness

    I didn't take it as Ashley's mom was friends with her father on FB. But if Ashley's father blocked her on FB she wouldn't be able to see his profile from her own account. Her mother likely wasn't blocked, so by using her mom's account she could search for her father and view whatever it is that he has unlocked that way. Now if he pays any attention to the show, I'm sure her mother and Michael will be blocked pretty quickly, so Ashley's chances to troll his profile are cut off. Maybe they are anticipating Duggar-like families? I have a sibling who is quite a bit younger than I am and I remember being brought to one of our mother's drs appointments waaaay back in the day to hear their heartbeat. (I don't think ultrasounds were as regular of a thing to "see" the baby back in those days) But we stayed out in the waiting room and then a nurse came and got us just for the last couple minutes of the appointment and it was just the siblings, not the entire neighborhood. I don't really think this shows Gizelle as neglectful. I have siblings and I also know from talking with other people over the years that family dynamics are weird. It's not that strange for one kid to feel like another kid is a favorite and it's also not that strange for parents to have a kid that they don't have to actively parent as much as another one, so they maybe get lost in the shuffle a bit. If you have a kid that does their homework, does well in school and tends to listen but then has a sibling that has problems with a subject in school, maybe doesn't always turn in their homework and/or has a behavior issue that has to be worked on, where does your focus tend to go? You spend most of the time correcting the kid that requires the active guidance and it's easy to overlook the fact that the kid who doesn't need you to hold their hand through their homework might feel like they aren't getting any attention at all. It's always going to be all about Candiace. Chris's family won't matter. Notice that nowhere in there were rooms for the kids he already has. Or "our kids" which is how you'd hope someone would phrase things when they've married someone with children. Candiace certainly has some grand dreams for someone who basically doesn't have a job (other than the show, which we all have to pretend isn't a job), and is living in a house her mommy pays a portion of at the moment. Oh, no, we're looking for a MANOR to move into . . .
  5. I completely agree. I don't think many women who get implants when they are young totally grasp the fact that they do have to be replaced every 10-15 years. I'm basing this on people I know who got them, I'm positive there are people who pay attention to that info when they are told that, but many are just like, I want my boobs bigger, yeah, yeah, at some point down the road, fine. They just think it's later and they'll deal with it then. But then 10-15 years down the road you have a house, kids, other expenses and maybe it's not quite so easy to pull together the money for the surgery so you try to put it off, etc. Or there are braces to pay for, a furnace that needs to be replaced and personally, if it were me, I'd be like, hmm, new boobs for me or heat for my family? Ok, boobs can wait. I want to get a lift, but won't get implants, because for me it will be a one and done thing. I know they'll sag again at some point, but I figure at that point I won't care. And I don't want to be like 70 and considering whether or not I want to deal with potential surgery side effects for my boobs. A knee replacement? Sure. Boob job? Nah. I will also say this, I think most people want to look good. Everyone has a different definition of what good is for themselves. For some of us, it is manicures, lashes, make up, etc. For my mother, getting ready for a big thing meant mascara and lipstick. Other women might pay a bit more attention to what they wear, but not do makeup or ever consider their nails. I don't think that's wrong or makes any of them vain. It's just normal. I certainly give more thought to how I will look if I am going to be at something I know will have photos or video than if I'm running to the store or just going about my daily life and I try to keep that in mind when looking at any of the hos. I wouldn't judge Bethenny or Tinsley for having a full face of makeup and extensions or whatever for a day of filming any more than I do the teller at the bank for having make up on for her day at work. That's their job, they are at work, presenting themselves for their job.
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    S11.E19: Reunion Part 2

    She flat out said it on the show though. She said to Dorinda (and I'm paraphrasing because I am too lazy to go back and rewatch), "I can't, I'm going to laugh inappropriately, don't say anything to me." Then when Ramona kept trying to ask Tinsley questions and Tinsley kept answering Andy and Andy wasn't stopping the conversation to address Ramona's questions, Ramona kind of directed them to Bethenny who said "Stop. Stop. I will start laughing stop talking now" She isn't trying to sell something she didn't say in the moment.
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    S11.E19: Reunion Part 2

    The only reason that Lu was forced to get sober was because she opted to choose rehab as a "get out of jail free" card when she assaulted a police officer and threatened to kill him. If she had just faced the charges and not said "Hey, I clearly have a problem with alcohol and I need rehab please" then they wouldn't have given her a sentence that mandated her sobriety. She chose this route and if she truly didn't have a problem, it shouldn't be an issue. If she does (which I think the fact that she can't stay sober kind of points to her having one), then it means she probably does actually need the help. I sympathize with Bethenny here because she was clearly trying to not laugh inappropriately. It had nothing to do with not feeling for Tinsley about the loss of her dog, she said she felt for her and when they played back the clips of her talking about the dog having cancer, she was concerned and talked about it. I sometimes get the giggles at the worst times when my husband is trying to tell me something that is serious and it is awful. I can't stop giggling, he's telling me about something serious and the harder I try not to laugh, the more I laugh. That's the situation Bethenny was trying not to be in. Ramona kept asking questions about the dog and Bethenny was telling her to stop because it was going to set her off. In and among the things Luann was supposed to be doing and wasn't compliant with, she had missed breathalyzer check ins. This is part of the reason that she is now taking Antabuse, in addition to the mimosas and her not going to the required meetings. So there's no way her slip was a one time thing or just the one time she miscalculated her drinking. There were other times she just didn't even bother to blow because she knew she wouldn't make it.
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    S09.E22: Reunion Part 1

    No, Teddi started it. When they first walked in, Teddi said "Is that the dog?" When they were standing over by the counter. LVP tried to hush things up at that point. Some conversation ensued and Sessa and Teddi seemed kind of peeved. Then they moved over towards the couch and everyone was sitting down, at which point Teddi turns to her daughter (Teddi's daughter, I mean, I can't remember her name), and says "Do you recognize this dog?" That is what reintroduced it and let the story come out. This is how Kyle "found out." Sessa had the dog out, true. But if Teddi hadn't asked if it was the dog in the first place and then followed up by asking her daughter if she recognized the dog, then none of the rest of the situation wouldn't happen. LVP tried to shut it down firmly when they were standing. She tried again when they were sitting. She was also quite emphatic after that the situation was over, Dorit meant no harm. Then she physically left the area and went upstairs to stop the conversation. This was Teddi and Kyle's work.
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    S09.E22: Reunion Part 1

    I think you are forgetting the stellar Bums of Beverly Hills. Here's the other weird thing, you're telling me that Kyle wouldn't have wrapped the gift? Like here's your birthday gift, I put a big bow on the shoebox, so there's no surprise at all about what it is! At least throw it in a gift bag? Nope. It was blatantly there so people could not only see that poor, long-suffering Kyle who only wanted to TELL HER TRUTH! and was thrown out into the cold, cold streets by her meanie friends has yet to be able to give her generous birthday gift. Yes, she's so generous she even got the meanies a GIFT! And not just any gift, MANOLOS! That's how awesome Kyle is. So suck it haters! I believe the quote was actually coNman. Mauricio is looking pretty sketchy. Totally with you on the rent, though. Owning a home isn't ideal for everyone, for a variety of reasons. Rinna and Harry are/were both very successful actors and have huge resumes, but neither of them had the type of hits that make BANK. They don't have Friends/Cheers/Frasier money. They have comfortable money, but they do both likely need to keep working or have a side hustle (like QVC), to pay the bills. Joan Rivers always said she made a fortune from her QVC gig and I'd believe it. Changing gears, in this blog here: https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-beverly-hills/season-9/blogs/kyle-richards/kyle-richards-we-cannot-ignore-a Kyle says that she was shown all of the texts right after the VDPD filming. So if we take that at face value, she knew the "whole" story way longer than she lets on at first. I don't believe her, though. First (and admittedly, very pettily), when I was re-watching the scene at VDPDs in the first episode, Teddi and Kyle are wearing matching outfits. They're both in blue striped dresses and neither one of them make a comment about it when they see the other, which is kind of strange, not a "OMG! How funny, we thought alike!" They're BFFs and Kyle spends the rest of the season dressing Teddi, so it seems likely to me that they may have planned for this one as well. Second, when everything goes down and Teddi won't stop bringing up the dog (first asking if that's the dog, then asking her daughter if she recognizes it), at no point does Kyle seem to take LVP's hint to change the subject. If I were genuinely confused about what was going on and there was a bit of a tense situation between two of my friends, I'd pretty much jump in with a new subject. If LVP was saying, "It's done, I do not want to discuss it" and Teddi is sitting there like "Well, do you recognize the dog?" I'd be totally confused, yes. But, they know they are filming, obviously LVP doesn't want the subject brought up. Later in the season when Camille starts talking about Dorit's issues, watch every other woman try to tell Camille to stop without actually interjecting themselves. They fall all over themselves to say "Well, maybe it shouldn't be talked about?" But nope. Kyle doesn't do this. She swings her head back and forth and just watches, letting Teddi keep going until the story is out. If I were in Kyle's shoes, I'd have said "Oh! Did I tell you what happened on the flight home from Europe?" or something else to change the subject. Then after the reveal, Kyle's like, "Oh, it's her dog? It's here to be groomed?" Why would LVP be trying to shut down any talk of the dog if it were there to be groomed? Kyle was supposed to bring her dog that day to be groomed, but for some reason, she didn't. That was the whole premise, LVP and Kyle were going to have dogs groomed while Teddi and her daughter were going to play with the dogs. So, wtf? Next they tell the story. LVP reiterates that it is DONE. That Dorit did not mean for it to happen, she had nothing to do with it and it is OVER. LVP then turns and walks up the stairs. This leaves Kyle and Teddi downstairs. Teddi turns to Kyle and immediately launches into a conversation, Kyle has no questions like "Wait! What happened? How did you know this? They told you?" Nope, Teddi just continues to get the story out. "So they told me, Lisa wanted me to know, etc" And then, there it is, Kyle is standing there not with the faux concern, but, with her trademark smirk. The one she normally tries to hide behind a napkin. Since they're in VDPDs, though, she can't. Next scene, they're all upstairs looking at some dogs who have recently come in. This is when LVP says to Kyle that she wishes she had made it to the Daily Mail party and Kyle loses her shit. She flips out and launches right into a rant about how she isn't going to let her do this, that she had just gotten off of a plane, it was 4 am for her, LVP wasn't even throwing the party, LVP always tries to do this to her and anyway, Dorit CAN DUMP A DOG and she says she didn't mean it, but she's going to try to trash Kyle for this. Wait, what? You literally learned that 4 minutes ago and you're already using it as a weapon?
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    S09.E22: Reunion Part 1

    She was a big part of the production company and still owns half of it. I've always thought that part of the issue with Camille the first season was that she knew things were wrong in her marriage and was trying to keep up the façade, even before she maybe knew he was cheating. She was trying very hard to maintain a calm public life, while Kelsey didn't care how he blew their world up as long as he got what he wanted. He could have handled things quietly and they could have separated without him having to publicly cheat. They had young kids who were affected by it. She was downright mean when she was mocking LVP's teeth, but otherwise I don't think first season Camille came out until after the fire happened and it was evident the women were planning a gang up. Oh and the Kavanaugh thing, that was weird, but it also seemed like she realized she was overreacting. Anyway, I think what I'm trying to say is that I'm not sure Camille handles extreme upheaval in her life in the best way when it comes to this sort of show.
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    S09.E22: Reunion Part 1

    This is true. Honestly, though, she married Charlie Sheen. Even at the time I was like, you know who the hell this is, right? You're having kids with him? Ok . . . and then it blew up and I was like, well who saw that coming? I do wonder if Charlie ever really seriously tried to get custody. I'm not saying that I don't think he cares about his kids (when he's not all hopped up on tiger blood, that is), I just don't see him being the type of person who is committed to being "dad" day in and day out the way other people are. It's not really that hard to picture someone like George Clooney or Matt Damon or the Rock making sure the kids have breakfast in the morning and then dropping them off at school if they are home. I just don't picture Charlie doing that sort of thing. And it's fine, there are plenty of people who are like that, it just doesn't generally show up unless people are divorced. Her explanation doesn't make sense because she's changed it so much. Somewhere along the line, though, they said she showed Kyle the texts before they went to VDPDs that day and yet when they were there, Kyle was all "Wait, what about this dog?" So Kyle was lying about not knowing about the dog or what happened. Which means it is pretty likely that Kyle and Teddi concocted the plan, thinking they could blame it on LVP using their pruned texts and try to manipulate it. I really liked that Dorit called her out right at the end about not actually stopping it because she thought it was the wrong thing to do TO Dorit, but just that she didn't want to be the ONLY one to do it to her. What happened is that Denise made that comment in a talking head during the show. Then at the reunion Andy was talking to Camille about her marriage that had just happened. He asked Camille about her name, because she is still using Grammar in some places. He asked why. Denise interjects (for no reason at all), that she couldn't wait to dump Sheen from her name, which was strange given that she was never known as Denise Sheen publicly anyway. Andy then brings up Denise's "greedy fucking whore" comment and asks Camille about it, because Camille had a pretty public divorce on the show. Camille said that she wasn't familiar with Denise's situation, and also said a quick, sorry, I didn't follow it at the time to Denise. Denise basically said, no problem. Camille was put in a position of explaining why she took a settlement, which wasn't cool, she was essentially forced to "defend" herself when she hadn't done anything wrong. She did what was right for her. Denise did something different, which was fine, it's what worked for Denise. Camille didn't judge Denise, but Denise had no problems judging everyone who didn't do things her way.
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    S11.E18: Reunion Part 1

    It's important to get a pre-nup and also make sure you keep assets separated if you are re-marrying and there are children involved. Things like this happen even when there isn't a divorce that hasn't taken place. Say Carol Brady had gotten a huge estate from her late husband and it was supposed to be passed on to her girls after her death. She marries Mike Brady, but then dies before he does. Everything goes to him and she trusts him to leave the stuff to her girls. He either decides, screw them and I'm going to give my boys everything or worse, he remarries a new person and then he dies and the new person now gets everything from Carol and Mike and keeps it for HER kids. She didn't say that though. She was asked about Dennis, she answered with an example about Dennis. It happened to include Mothers Day. But at no time did she say that she had an issue with spending Mother's Day with just Brynn. She was just saying this was an example of a time that he had said we were going to do something and he didn't show up and that's a reason why we had issues, he was not reliable.
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    S09.E22: Reunion Part 1

    I can't imagine that Bravo would have had an issue with LVP not attending Jax and Brittany's wedding because of the death of her mother. First because there's been a bunch of press about how she should have taken time off from RHOBH this year (even Andy has said they should have given her time off), after the death of her brother. Second, though, because you could also have all sorts of intense, worried interviews and tearful conversations about how the "kids" are worried about LVP after losing her mother. Jax and Brittany can have a conversation with LVP where they tell her not to worry about coming, then they can have solemn conversations about how they love her and wish she could be there, but of course she should be more concerned with her family, etc. So Kyle has had this gift for months, but somehow she didn't have it when she went to LVP's house the day before her birthday to confront LVP and tell her she had to confess and how everyone had decided she was wrong? Ok then. One of the things that I have always liked about Erika is that she generally didn't get super involved in the petty BS that the women tended to snipe at each other about. Dorit and Kyle arguing about who is LVP's very favorite most bestest friend ever? Erika doesn't care if you like her or not. I appreciated that about her. This year with her wading into the crap with LVP and talking about the dark clouds and all of that? Not a fan. Denise made her feelings clear, basically she seems to think that the way she handled her divorce is the way they should all be handled. What does it matter to her if someone else has a different settlement? And why does she care if Camille kept Grammar in her name? Denise was ALWAYS Denise Richards, even when married to Charlie. She is STILL Denise Richards, while married to Aaron, so it's not like she was publicly changing the way she was known. I have friends who are older than my parents and also young enough to be my children. I don't think it's necessarily strange that a 23 year old would be close to a 58 year old if they had similar interests. I also don't think that Sessa/Blizzard are personally all that close to LVP, I think they're work associates but not necessarily social friends who are in touch about personal issues or anything like that. Teddi spent the whole season showing all of these texts that she had from Blizzard as her "proof" that she was set up by LVP. Now she's saying that she didn't even know Blizzard that well and only dealt with him regarding events. That doesn't really seem to add up, given that she has all of these texts that have nothing really to do with the events. I snipped some stuff out of your post for space reasons. NY works because they all treat the show like it's a job, which it is. They leave what they have "at the office" for the most part and then discuss it at the reunion and then let it go, because it is done and over with. They also recognize that they will have to work with the same people next year. BH, on the other hand, are all busy pretending that they are real life BFFs and also make it about teams. They catalog every potential slight and spend their time trying to prove they are the best friend and their life is the best ever and everyone else is just jealous of them. Because she can look like the long suffering great friend who has just been trying to move past this horrible situation. All she has wanted to do is give LVP her birthday gift and she won't talk to her! Pity Kyle! I also agree that people who say they never lie can't be trusted. Seriously, what do you do when someone invites you somewhere and you don't want to go but there isn't a graceful way out? How is it not polite to say "I need to check my schedule and make sure the kids don't have something, etc." Rather than saying what you are thinking, which is "Oh that sounds like torture, no way am I going to do that?" I think Erika had good work done and is also good with aging. She wanted to look better, but is fine looking her age. Kyle is determined to look 20 or 30, rather than aging well and that never works out well for women. I actually don’t think Camille cares that much if people know who she is. I think she's good with living her own life in the way she wants to, but I don't know that she's super concerned with being a celebrity in the same way that Rinna and Kyle are. I watched ER back when it was on and had no idea who Kyle was. Later when I was watching it again, after having seen RHOBH, I realized who Kyle was on the show. She played a nurse, specifically a dialysis nurse who popped up in the background off and on throughout the show. Her name was Dory, and she might have a line once in a while, but it wasn't like she was a major player on the show. I find this kind of thing insulting. Together, during their marriage, she and Kelsey invested in a large portfolio of real estate. They also had a production company, and she worked as a creator, writer and executive producer in it. On top of that, no one ever contradicts Kyle when she claims credit for what has been created at The Agency. In her speech she talked about how she and Mauricio went and got their real estate licenses and now look at what they've built. Yet we never see Kyle showing houses or doing paperwork. But no one would argue that she doesn't help to promote his business, and host parties for him, etc. So why trash Camille for doing a similar role in Kelsey's life?
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    S09.E22: Reunion Part 1

    LVP was the officiant for Tom Schwartz and Katie's wedding. Lance Bass officiated for Jax and Brittany. I think she mugged a 3 year old's dress up trunk. Seriously, how did they not have a conversation ahead of time about this? "What are you wearing? I'm wearing a highlighter." "You are?! Me too!!!! It will be gorgeous!!!!" Give it 10 minutes, Kyle will start her splits soon. I thought we ALL agreed to stop doing this look? Why is Rinna trying to bring it back? This was unfair. Camille put in the time and work alongside Kelsey to build what they had. It isn't wrong for her to have gotten a settlement for it. It also isn't wrong for Denise to have not taken a bigger settlement for her marriage to Charlie, despite having spent the time with him and gotten him on a path to rebuilding things. They each are free to make their own choices about their own situations and if they did what worked best for them, then that's great. That's also what Camille was saying. Denise, on the other hand got a nasty dig in there about anyone taking a bigger settlement being a "nasty fucking whore" which is not cool. I'm not really sure if those are in her budget these days either, what with the latest news and all.
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