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5 hours ago, floridamom said:

I have to wonder, in Jinger's case, how Jeremy justifies his more worldly approach to life..the pants wearing, dancing at that reception, etc to Jinger regarding her parents' rules. She was brought up to believe that HER FATHER and all MARRIED FATHERS have the direct line to God's preferences and will for us here on earth. Her whole life, her parents told the children that dancing, pants wearing was not right and could lead to sin...so they avoided it altogether not to risk sinning or causing someone to sin. (Which is ridiculous.) How is it now, not sinful to participate in those things? Did Jeremy just come right out and tell her that he parents are wrong about these things and unnecessarily severe with themselves and their children? Did she have to live such a severe life and was it all for nothing, really, in God's eyes?

I would really love to know Jinger’s thought processes (if any lol) on these topics also.

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Tough crowd!  She's wearing modern shoes with closed toes, pants, and a shirt that literally calls back to her family's ridiculous rules and there are still 35 things wrong with what she's doing. 

Churchhoney
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That's okay. He's forgotten it a few times himself. 

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My push presents after having my kids were my kids. 

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19 minutes ago, drafan said:

Too bad someone didn't smuggle scissors into that wedding.....first to cut the groom's hair, and then to cut those droopy straps off the bride's dress.

Points for not cake-face-smashing tho. It would've ended up in his Tiny Tim tresses.

“Tiny Tim tresses” is a perfect description. Now I can just sing “Tiptoe Through the Tulips” in my head when I see pictures of him. 

Also: Dear Brides, please know that it is in fact possible to be sexy on your wedding day without looking like you’re already dressed for the wedding night,  complete with see through lace and straps already falling off your shoulders. Your Sincerely, Old Curmudgeon

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Jeanne222

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12 hours ago, Zella said:

I find it interesting Jeremy didn't object to the bride's dress. I know a lot of pastors who wouldn't officiate a wedding with that much cleavage on display. Not saying that attitude is right--I feel like what you wear at your wedding is your own damn business--but still I think it just reinforces our collective forum theory that Jeremy doesn't really care about principles as much as he does getting media attention. 

Maybe Jeremy was surprised when he saw that dress!  

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Future Cat Lady

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5 hours ago, DangerousMinds said:

I would really love to know Jinger’s thought processes (if any lol) on these topics also.

It would be really interesting to know what she really thinks, but I doubt she would say anything publicly. She wouldn't want to contradict or criticize her parents.

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19 minutes ago, LilJen said:

Also: Dear Brides, please know that it is in fact possible to be sexy on your wedding day without looking like you’re already dressed for the wedding night,  complete with see through lace and straps already falling off your shoulders. Your Sincerely, Old Curmudgeon

THANK YOU! 

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louannems

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On 11/9/2019 at 11:35 PM, graefin said:

Sorry about the window.

With the exception of cake, I really hate weddings.  But I also hate when a man calls his wife mama, so I forced myself to watch this.  I must have missed it since I never did hear him call her mama.  I did hear her say she will let him lead her (gag).

I know JB called Michelle mama all the time and it's just gross.  At least Jeremy has never called Jinger that.

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3 minutes ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I don't know  that Jinger should be punished because of her family, but who knows? Her family will always be how they are. Jinger is now her own person, with her own family. Should she always have to suffer because she was born a Duggar? 

as long as she shares the same beliefs, which she hasn't stated that she doesn't, she should be punished and penalized for that. I don't have time for companies who don't or who partner with people who literally think me + the majority my friends should burn in hell for not falling in line with her very narrow world belief. 

Just because she's wears pants, dyes her hair, and moves to a VERY liberal state doesn't mean she's just changed her beliefs 100%. She's still just as deep in her parents rhetoric. 

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Zella

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10 minutes ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I don't know  that Jinger should be punished because of her family, but who knows? Her family will always be how they are. Jinger is now her own person, with her own family. Should she always have to suffer because she was born a Duggar? 

Well, to be fair, the fallout is just as much over Jeremy's views--and the organization he has chosen to align himself with--as much as her parents' views. Jinger has never indicated she disagrees with either Jeremy or her parents, and I seriously doubt she does. If she does disagree with them, she should grow a pair and speak up.

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Oldernowiser

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I would be surprised if Jinger ever, even once, sat back and thought an independent thought, let alone one whereby she might disagree with Headship1 or Headship2. They had those tendencies trained right out of them as children and I can’t see RFP encouraging her to do anything now that might dent his fragile ego.

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5 minutes ago, Oldernowiser said:

I would be surprised if Jinger ever, even once, sat back and thought an independent thought, let alone one whereby she might disagree with Headship1 or Headship2. They had those tendencies trained right out of them as children and I can’t see RFP encouraging her to do anything now that might dent his fragile ego.

Oh I agree, but I really have no patience for arguments that Jinger or Jeremy are the victims in being dropped by that company. 

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1 minute ago, Zella said:

Oh I agree, but I really have no patience for arguments that Jinger or Jeremy are the victims in being dropped by that company. 

Jeremy's not a victim. He's made a conscious decision to follow MacArthur. As I've noted before, Jinger has always been a follower. Jeremy's beliefs are her beliefs. As they seem to be benefiting from the lifestyle at this point in time, I'm sure she questions nothing. Wait until they have to start paying their own rent and funding the lifestyle themselves. Things may not look so pretty then. 

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For those looking for the "mama" line,  it's the end of his first sentence with the first 20 seconds. 

"All my days, I've never met a woman who's enthralled me like you have, mama."  

Cade, you're 23 and she's 19! This is a line for somebody 50 something or older!! And you don't have kids yet!

3 hours ago, LilJen said:

Also: Dear Brides, please know that it is in fact possible to be sexy on your wedding day without looking like you’re already dressed for the wedding night,  complete with see through lace and straps already falling off your shoulders. Your Sincerely, Old Curmudgeon

While the bride is certainly dressed sexy, I think she looks good. If she likes it, then I'm happy for her. 

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We live in the era of SM. If you pick a lane and then decide it's not the right one, you need to make it clear. With that said, pretty much no matter what anyone does or says, there's going to be haters and trolls.

I'm guessing it's ego, money, or both that keeps the J & J's of the world, putting themselves out there. Not to give them credit for being SM idiots, but I don't think being an influencer is for sissies. 

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3 hours ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I don't know  that Jinger should be punished because of her family, but who knows? Her family will always be how they are. Jinger is now her own person, with her own family. Should she always have to suffer because she was born a Duggar? 

She's not suffering. She and Jer are conducting a money-making business. And what they're offering for pay got rejected by a company this time. That happens to everybody who offers goods or services in return for pay.

They're offering their images -- and some of their attributes, like her name "Jinger," out of which you could make the word "jingerbread" -- to serve as advertising icons for other people's businesses.

They're asking to be paid to have their semi-famous faces either appear in public or be photographed and then displayed with their names on them in connection with various companies -- in the expectation that their faces and names will increase business for those companies. 

Their publicist is apparently trying to broker these deals without giving any more details about Jinger and Jeremy beyond the fact that they're young Christian parents in the LA area who have a cute little girl and photograph pretty well. 

The bakery stupidly took them up on that when their publicist presented the deal. But then the bakery found out that many people in their clientele knew much more about Jinger and Jeremy than the bakery owners had learned.

A lot of their customers told the bakery owners more facts about Jeremy and Jinger -- such as, perhaps, that Jeremy works for and embraces the ideas of a massive misogynist who preaches that parents should cut off their gay children to the point of refusing to eat a dinner with them and that Jinger and Jeremy are very much the public faces of that guy's church (and seminary, in Jer's case).

A lot of bakery customers and would-be customers pointed out to the bakery owners that Jinger's and Jeremy's professed beliefs and their position as the public face of beliefs like that are completely at odds with the image the bakery presents of itself. And that was correct. So the bakers called off the deal. Nobody wants to pay someone who symbolizes beliefs they and their customers firmly disagree with to be the face of their company.  Because most likely that won't just fail to increase their sales....it's likely to decrease them.  

The business owners should have done more research, of course.

However, hiring a publicist to make these deals for you probably feels pretty similar to hiring an accountant to do your taxes. You figure they're going to do the research and finish the work appropriately....You figure they're professionals so you shouldn't have to check their work.....Unfortunately, in this case they were wrong in that assumption.....And they've fired their publicist who failed to do due diligence here -- he's the person being punished, and he deserves to be. He didn't do his job. I assume the bakers have now learned their lesson and will vet people better the next time. 

Like the bakers, Jinger and Jeremy also didn't do everything they needed to do in this situation. They're trying to make business deals to make a living by acting as advertisements for other people's business. So as far as I can see, it's also clearly their responsibility to give people a clear explanation of who they are and what they stand for and what other affiliations they have -- because you shouldn't be the advertising icon for a business that doesn't agree with your -- well known --  fundamental beliefs.

Now, Jeremy and Jinger either didn't do this in this instance or at least didn't make it clear to their publicist that he should do it.

Probably partly because they're very eager to start making good money as influencers -- which, in the case of celebrities, means making money as advertising icons, not as subject-matter experts or the like. And, I suppose, also because they don't realize that a fair number of businesses won't consider their views and their connections to be something they want to feature in their advertising. I hope by now they realize that this is the case, though, and that they and  their publicist are more careful about these deals in the future. 

Nobody except the bakery's publicist got punished. And he deserved it.

Jinger and Jer didn't get punished. They simply failed to secure a business deal they wanted. But anyone who's in business fails to secure deals they want -- usually lots of them. It's unfortunate that the deal ever got as far as it did before falling through, of course......But Jinger and Jeremy and the bakery owners and both their publicists bear some blame for that. Hopefully they've all learned from this. 

Nobody is a suitable advertising icon for everyone's business. And if you're far out of the current mainstream -- as Jer and Jingle are -- you're going to be unsuitable as a face-of-our-brand for many many businesses. That's how advertising works. And if that's the career they're choosing to pursue, they need to realize that this is how it works and tailor their business practices accordingly. 

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DangerousMinds

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1 hour ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I don't know  that Jinger should be punished because of her family, but who knows? Her family will always be how they are. Jinger is now her own person, with her own family. Should she always have to suffer because she was born a Duggar? 

How exactly is she her own person? No one knows what she actually thinks about anything.

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1 hour ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I don't know  that Jinger should be punished because of her family, but who knows? Her family will always be how they are. Jinger is now her own person, with her own family. Should she always have to suffer because she was born a Duggar? 

Yes.  And she should be put on double secret probation for a least the next six months.

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4 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I know I'm beating a dead horse, but what the hell is Gabby's attraction to Cade? He's not good-looking, his personality sucks, and he's not a big enough artist to advance her career. It's such a bizarre pairing. 

She needs to get married before she is an old maid by 21? I don’t get it either. He doesn’t even have a job. 

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Jeanne222

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3 hours ago, galaxychaser said:

She needs to get married before she is an old maid by 21? I don’t get it either. He doesn’t even have a job. 

I spent quite a bit of time looking them both up last night.  Actually they are very good singers and both released records recently.

Both love their families and seem very close to them.I

She talks about being able to help her parents who have struggled financially.

I think they are too young and think they're more in lust than in love but time will tell.

I watched all their singing from American idol 2018.  She came in second and I think he was in the top five with Katy Perry having organisms each time he sang!!!  Lol

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Those straps would have driven me crazy.  I would have spent the whole day wanting to put them on my shoulders.  I really don’t quite get the point of those but I have no fashion sense so who knows.  Cade must be awfully proud of those locks but if he’s not going to cut it, couldn’t he have put it in a ponytail?  I’m sure he spends much more time on his hair each morning then I do.

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7 hours ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

I don't know  that Jinger should be punished because of her family, but who knows? Her family will always be how they are. Jinger is now her own person, with her own family. Should she always have to suffer because she was born a Duggar? 

She's making money off of being a "Duggar." If she wants to be her own person and express views outside of her parents' beliefs, she's free to do that. She hasn't, though.

I, for one, would not do business with any business that the Duggars endorsed. I have no issue doing business with people whose views differ from my own, but the Duggars are deeply immoral people who are aggressively hostile toward people who disagree with them, and who are politically active in their aspirations to deny human rights to others.

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18 hours ago, floridamom said:

I have to wonder, in Jinger's case, how Jeremy justifies his more worldly approach to life..the pants wearing, dancing at that reception, etc to Jinger regarding her parents' rules. She was brought up to believe that HER FATHER and all MARRIED FATHERS have the direct line to God's preferences and will for us here on earth. Her whole life, her parents told the children that dancing, pants wearing was not right and could lead to sin...so they avoided it altogether not to risk sinning or causing someone to sin. (Which is ridiculous.) How is it now, not sinful to participate in those things? Did Jeremy just come right out and tell her that he parents are wrong about these things and unnecessarily severe with themselves and their children? Did she have to live such a severe life and was it all for nothing, really, in God's eyes?

Wouldn't you, the first chance you got?  

Although, she's probably mighty confused because hasn't Mechelle come out several times in public and claimed that "skirts only" is right for her and her decision; but she can't speak for anyone else and their purported convictions?

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Churchhoney

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17 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

Someone please tell me in a nutshell, why Jer seems to suck up after this Cade guy?

As @Oldernowiser said, Cade has some of the fame that Jer is absolutely desperate for. 

And as a result of that, since Cade, like Jer, aims to be a conservative Calvinist pastor in the misogynistic mode,  I also think they may have cooked up a little fantasy together in which they would someday somehow get joint charge of a church they'd build into a prominent new-media megachurch for the younger generation, based on their genius pastoring and Cade's music. 

In a lot of their early social-media correspondence and some pictures and writing they did surrounding times the two of them met, it seemed to me there was something close to giddy giggling as they saw kindred spirits in each other and  sat and dreamed and sorta plotted together.

I think that probably neither of them finds a lot of other guys who are kindred spirits in their vein -- both ambitious for fame;

both with a bit of fame to build on currently;

both male chauvinists who are obsessed with their looks and fond of things like bow ties, in Jer's case, and long curly hair, in Cade's;

both convinced that they're quite handsome, charismatic and hot (they're not, but neither of them knows this);  

both proud of a family tradition with conservative Calvinist preachers in it;

and both thinking about a future in which they use the talents they imagine they have (and Cade actually does have some pretty strong musical talent) to become the living heirs of the family Calvinist-preacher tradition and gain the fame they desire as founders of a super-trendy conservative-Calvinist-media-friendly-megachurch-for-the-young with Cade's (and Gabby's) music and Cade's and Jer's preaching. (and two pretty, submissive wives to be the fluffy bows on the package)

Given the preoccupations of both and the messages they publicly exchanged, I'd be shocked if they didn't giggle over this fantasy future together and even have some hope they might obtain it. 

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Jynnan tonnix

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10 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

As @Oldernowiser said, Cade has some of the fame that Jer is absolutely desperate for. 

And as a result of that, since Cade, like Jer, aims to be a conservative Calvinist pastor in the misogynistic mode,  I also think they may have cooked up a little fantasy together in which they would someday somehow get joint charge of a church they'd build into a prominent new-media megachurch for the younger generation, based on their genius pastoring and Cade's music. 

In a lot of their early social-media correspondence and some pictures and writing they did surrounding times the two of them met, it seemed to me there was something close to giddy giggling as they saw kindred spirits in each other and  sat and dreamed and sorta plotted together.

I think that probably neither of them finds a lot of other guys who are kindred spirits in their vein -- both ambitious for fame;

both with a bit of fame to build on currently;

both male chauvinists who are nevertheless oddly obsessed with their looks and fond of things like bow ties, in Jer's case, and long curly hair, in Cade's;

both convinced that they're quite handsome, charismatic and hot (they're not, but neither of them knows this);  

both proud of a family tradition with conservative Calvinist preachers in it;

and both thinking about a future in which they use the talents they imagine they have (and Cade actually does have some pretty strong musical talent) to become the living heirs of the family Calvinist-preacher tradition and gaining the fame they desire as founders of a super-trendy conservative-Calvinist-media-friendly-megachurch-for-the-young with Cade's (and Gabby's?) music and Cade's and Jer's preaching. (and two pretty, submissive wives to be the fluffy bows on the package)

Given the preoccupations of both and the messages they publicly exchanged, I'd be shocked if they didn't giggle over this fantasy future together and even have some hope that they might obtain it. 

Plus, one of the pretty, submissive wives also seems to have some bona-fide musical talent, and the other, as far as we have been able to tell, is not untalented, and might actually be quite good. So there are the fixin's for some semi-entertaining services even if the sermons fall flat. Not sure whether Gabby's dress style would be a plus or a minus in getting folk through the door.🤣

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5 minutes ago, Jynnan tonnix said:

Plus, one of the pretty, submissive wives also seems to have some bona-fide musical talent, and the other, as far as we have been able to tell, is not untalented, and might actually be quite good. So there are the fixin's for some semi-entertaining services even if the sermons fall flat. Not sure whether Gabby's dress style would be a plus or a minus in getting folk through the door.🤣

And once again they'd owe their success to the women -- except they'd refuse to acknowledge that! 😁

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Churchhoney

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8 minutes ago, Fig Newton said:

That barn though! Gorgeous.

Cade is a creep. As in very creepy. But that barn is absolutely stunning.

Now you've made me want to watch the video. .... I didn't want to see creepy Cade or misguided Gabby crowning him her leader, so I haven't looked. But I would like to see the barn. Dang. 

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galaxychaser

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14 hours ago, Tigregirl said:

Those straps would have driven me crazy.  I would have spent the whole day wanting to put them on my shoulders.  I really don’t quite get the point of those but I have no fashion sense so who knows.  Cade must be awfully proud of those locks but if he’s not going to cut it, couldn’t he have put it in a ponytail?  I’m sure he spends much more time on his hair each morning then I do.

Or a man bun! 

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