The Duggalos: Jinger and the Holy Goalie

[emmawoodhouse]

He started going to parties in high school, but he's been really vague about that "season" of life. I bet he slammed down some brewskis before he hit Hartwell's campus.

[galaxygirl76]

8 hours ago, laurakaye said:

Jeremy is lecturing about being an athlete....jeez, Jere, hang up the cleats already, it's over, homeslice. 

I feel him so much, I hate it when I confuse myself with Lionel Messi.

[Misslindsey]

3 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Didn’t Jeremy say he went through a “rebellious” period when he was doing really bad things like drinking’ and cussin’?

I need to stop drinking wine before I read this forum, because I read "drinking and cousin," which would be opening a whole different can of worms.

[Spazamanaz]

3 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

Didn’t Jeremy say he went through a “rebellious” period when he was doing really bad things like drinking’ and cussin’?

OK I read the last part as... 'doing really bad things like drinking and cousin'.

[thosme]

On Kindle Daily Deals, the Vuolo's book is $3.99.  The majority of reviews are good but this is not a book for me.  

[Cinnabon]

8 minutes ago, thosme said:

On Kindle Daily Deals, the Vuolo's book is $3.99.  The majority of reviews are good but this is not a book for me.  

Paid reviews, I bet.

[Quilt Fairy]

2 minutes ago, thosme said:

On Kindle Daily Deals, the Vuolo's book is $3.99.  The majority of reviews are good but this is not a book for me.  

Out of curiosity, I went to Amazon and typed in "Vuolo" to find this book.  Much to my surprise, there is apparently a - ahem - "model" named Lindsey Vuolo who was in several porn magazines back in the early 2000s.   (I didn't even know you could get those on Amazon.) 😵

[emmawoodhouse]

For 3.99 I might take one for the team. 

[ginger90]

I may have previously posted this video.

Skip to around 11:00 minute mark.

 

Slave of Sin turned Slave of God: Jeremy Vuolo's Testimony

 

 

 

[Churchhoney]

6 hours ago, Cinnabon said:

Paid reviews, I bet.

Sounds likely, but I'm actually not sure they'd need that! They don't have a huge number of reviews, and between Jingle's leghumpers and MacArthur's leghumpers, I wonder if that wouldn't provide enough tongue-bath reviews so you didn't have to pay anybody...... Every time a MacArthur sermon, talk or talk-or-sermon bit is posted on youtube hundreds and hundreds of people hump his leg there just the way people do to at Duggar official and on the Dugg girls' social media. 

The reviews listed as editorial reviews are all friend, family and colleague reviews. They knew all those reviewers personally, including Jessa and Bin and Cade and Gabby. I didn't know your sister was even allowed to do an "editorial" review......😁   The one from Costi Hinn is also an "I'll review your book if you review mine," I suppose, since i think Jer did review Hinn's book. 

[laurakaye]

16 hours ago, riverblue22 said:

Nope...JereMe is lecturing about being a Christian athlete, along the lines of Tim Tebow.  In fact, he has the same beard and similar hair as Tim Tebow.  He also is willing to be a Brand Ambassador like Tim.  He doesn't have a website though...or as successful (?) a sports career.

Oh wow, I never put it together but you're right, Jeremy really does fancy himself along the lines of Tim Tebow!  Hahahahahaha (snort) sorry, but it all makes sense now.  I'm sure in Jeremy's mind, it's just a matter of time before Jeremy Vuolo becomes a household name.

 

11 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

At some point while he was in Laredo, he was vigorously blaming schools generally for turning most youth into ungodly sinners. I think he may have been talking in conjunction with some group that was creating all-homeschool sports teams or something like that, so what he said there was probably sort of a commercial. But he's also at other times mentioned the terrible influence on him of going briefly to a school. (I don't know if he went to a public school or a private one. My sense is it was probably public, but I don't know)

Fascinating.  So to hear him write his heathen-turned-pastor fan fiction, school turns kids into sinners.  It's got nothing to do with the individual student, or their background, or their parents, or their own morality.  I sincerely hope his athlete sermons aren't along the lines of, "look - school is powerful and you are weak.  School will corrupt you, so just go with it, homies.  Do the drugs, take the drinks, party all night!  It's fine!  Because that's what school is all about!  Don't fight it!  And once you feel like you've finally crossed a line, that's when you can decide that you suddenly want to become a moral human being again and everything will be just fine.  Cheers, y'all!"

 

1 hour ago, ginger90 said:

I may have previously posted this video.

Skip to around 11:00 minute mark.

 

Slave of Sin turned Slave of God: Jeremy Vuolo's Testimony

 

 

 

I'm sorry (not sorry) but I LOL'd at this.  The combo of his sad, serious face along with the title just cracks me up.  He was a slave to sin?  He drank some, goofed around and fought a cop - I mean it's not great behavior, but it's not like he was holding up liquor stores or robbing banks.  To hear him tell it, he was a soccer-playing John Dillinger who decided to reform himself and become a slave to a rich pastor of a mega-church and become his best friend in exchange for a free place to stay and a lifestyle that doesn't quite match up with a university student.  Seems to me that he exchanged one sketchy lifestyle for another, only this time he's cloaking it under his influencer/Christian persona.

[madpsych78]

In my opinion, he's sinning a lot more now if he's trying to preach to people as a false prophet.

[Churchhoney]

10 hours ago, emmawoodhouse said:

He started going to parties in high school, but he's been really vague about that "season" of life. I bet he slammed down some brewskis before he hit Hartwell's campus.

Yeah, and he considers Brewskis a sign that the devil has you in his grip.....😁

....Yet he also admits that his vaunted homeschool education -- that supposedly saves you from an eternity of hellfire -- gave him zero ability to control himself when he's tempted to do something he believes is a hellish evil. 

...and that 10 or 11 years of his perfect homeschool education that absolutely will save your children from temptation--  (and conducted  in his case by one of the two most godly people he's ever known (diana, the other being chuck) to a huge student body of three )-- couldn't in actuality help him ward off the devilish temptations he encountered in a year or two of high school. 

If homeschooling can't protect your soul through a couple years of high school, how can he believe it protects you for life?      Sounds to me like it must only protect you if you stay in it for life....

The only way to avoid succumbing to temptation is to never meet any temptations.

Does it ever occur to these people that virtually nothing they say -- or, allegedly, believe -- makes any sense whatsoever? 

 

Edited August 5, 2021 by Churchhoney

[laurakaye]

47 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

....Yet he also admits that his vaunted homeschool education -- that supposedly saves you from an eternity of hellfire -- gave him zero ability to control himself when he's tempted to do something he believes is a hellish evil. 

THIS.  Now I would rather clean my entire house with a toothbrush than listen to any of Jeremy's sermons, but I wonder if he ever throws shade at his parents as a cause of his catastrophic fall from grace into the very depths of depravity.  After all - it couldn't possibly have been entirely HIS fault, since he's implying that he wasn't prepared for the evil that was public school.

I wonder if Chuck and Diana sometimes look at each other and wonder how they produced this insufferable egomaniac.

[Albanyguy]

59 minutes ago, laurakaye said:

 

I wonder if Chuck and Diana sometimes look at each other and wonder how they produced this insufferable egomaniac.

Insufferable egomaniacs are usually made, not born. Isn’t Jeremy the first-born son? I know that Chuck and Diana aren’t Gothard, but did they raise Jeremy to be their Golden Boy/Crown Prince/Future Superstar like JB and Michelle did with Josh? That could explain a lot about Jeremy and also explain why his siblings seem much more normal and down-to-earth.

[Churchhoney]

55 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

Insufferable egomaniacs are usually made, not born. Isn’t Jeremy the first-born son? I know that Chuck and Diana aren’t Gothard, but did they raise Jeremy to be their Golden Boy/Crown Prince/Future Superstar like JB and Michelle did with Josh? That could explain a lot about Jeremy and also explain why his siblings seem much more normal and down-to-earth.

Actually, he's the second-born son and the third-born kid. And his older brother is a  liberal filmmaker whose first success is a kind and open-minded piece about trans people, sex workers and undocumented immigrants! Everybody involved talked about how kind and open to listening to others the oldest son of this family is......!

And his sister's educated, employed, works with men and drinks beer. 

So his parents utterly failed at ruining their two older kids, looks like! 

It's a strange one. 

My current working theory is that as his brother and sister moved away from their parents' belief system (and seem to have been generally allowed to do so without much rancor), Jer saw an opportunity to become the Golden Boy by being the only kid who closely followed in his dad's footsteps and hotly embraced his parents' beliefs. 

IMpossible to know exactly what happened in that family, but his parents and his siblings seem to have a quite decent relationships. So it doesn't look as if the parents took much, if any, revenge on their two renegade children.

And that while his parents have these beliefs, they're not terribly inclined to shove them down anybody's throats. In other words, they believe pretty much what Duggars do....but they're willing to be more tolerant. 

Nevertheless, they also give indications of having hoped they'd have a kid who'd be a lot like them. (not surprising -- everybody hopes that a little, probably)

 And Jer took that role.....Whether he actually believes it or just moved into it because he could see it'd make him the special apple of his parents' eyes is unknown.....I'd guess the latter, but maybe a bit of both, since I think he loves the lord-it-over-the-heathens and the be-the-god-of-your-woman aspects of his religion. 

 

 

 

Edited August 5, 2021 by Churchhoney

[dargosmydaddy]

25 minutes ago, Albanyguy said:

I know that Chuck and Diana aren’t Gothard, but did they raise Jeremy to be their Golden Boy/Crown Prince/Future Superstar like JB and Michelle did with Josh?

But Jeremy is the youngest child... and all three Vuolo kids were all born in under four years so it seems weird that he would be overly babied/ spoiled/ chosen as the golden child right off the bat. Seems more likely it's just Jeremy's personality... 

ETA: Churchhoney posted while I was writing this, and said it better!

Edited August 5, 2021 by dargosmydaddy

[iwantcookies]

I doubt birth order has anything to do with Jerm awful personality 

[Albanyguy]

33 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

 

Nevertheless, they also give indications of having hoped they'd have a kid who'd be a lot like them. (not surprising -- everybody hopes that a little, probably)

 And Jer took that role.....Whether he actually believes it or just moved into it because he could see it'd make him the special apple of his parents' eyes is unknown.....I'd guess the latter, but maybe a bit of both, since I think he loves the lord-it-over-the-heathens and the be-the-god-of-your-woman aspects of his religion. 

 

 

 

That makes a lot of sense. I was a first-born son and I was definitely NOT the Golden Boy. That was my kid brother who (consciously or otherwise) became the Crown Prince by following in our father’s footsteps. 

[Zella]

Being the baby of the family sometimes means you can get away with a lot of shit because you're the youngest/less supervised than the older kids were.

Source: Is the baby of the family

Edited August 5, 2021 by Zella

[Future Cat Lady]

9 hours ago, ginger90 said:

I may have previously posted this video.

Skip to around 11:00 minute mark.

 

Slave of Sin turned Slave of God: Jeremy Vuolo's Testimony

 

 

 

Slave of Sin turned Slave of God? Drama Queen Much!

Why do they have to be so dramatic. They sure love their sinner to Jesus Lover stories.

 

[Cinnabon]

I bet even his self proclaimed “wild” days are mild compared to many of our experiences. He is just boring.

[Zella]

32 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

I bet even his self proclaimed “wild” days are mild compared to many of our experiences

The Jeremy Vuolo Story: Born to be Mild

[MargeGunderson]

5 minutes ago, Zella said:

The Jeremy Vuolo Story: Born to be Mild

I would totally fall asleep to that!

[Angeltoes]

8 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

(and conducted  in his case by one of the two most godly people he's ever known (diana, the other being chuck)

At first glance I thought you meant Prince Charles and Lady Di.  I wondered how the hell he knew them.

[BigBingerBro]

I thought this info on reddit was worthy to post here:

Sigh. Okay we all know the book sucks ass. J&J don't talk about anything the world doesn't already know about them and it was a waste of trees to print their stupid book.

BUT I keep seeing comments here with false info about their book and publishing and as a writer I want to clear up these falsehoods which I've done before but people haven't seen.

The Hold We Hold was NOT self published.

They went through a publishing house. Their publisher is 'Worthy Publishing' an offshoot of one of 5 big publishers Hachette Book Group. The "Big 5" is a nickname for the major trade book publishing companies in the United States. Getting published by one of the Big 5 book publishers is the goal of many authors.

Sadly it also means Hachette paid them for this book. It was not a vanity, or KDP publishing at all. They more than likely got an advance, no they don't have to pay that back.

Worthy Publishing

2)Yes they had an agent

Their literary agent who got them the book deal with a real publisher is Albert Lee at United Talent Agency.

Here's some of his background.

He's a heavy weight in the publishing world with his clients pulling big advances on their books. He's been doing this over 20 years and has worked with Hilary Duff, Seth Rogan, The Jonas Brothers, Gabrielle Union, and Don Lemon. He only takes clients through referral, this is not a man you submit through without knowing someone. Who J&J know I have no idea but they had a publishing heavyweight on their side.

They thank him in the acknowledgements of the book

3) Yes it was ghostwritten

Their Ghostwriter is Bethany Mauger who has also ghostwritten books for paroled trafficking victim Cyntoia Brown. Mauger records interviews with the subjects then writes based off that. J&J didn't actually sit down at a word processer and type it out.

4) Yes it was a best seller

'The Hope We Hold' did make the USA Today list for one week May 12, 2021 at #101. To make this bestseller's list a book has to sell over 5,000 copies and up. The did that during release week. It's a milestone tons of authors wish they could make, for me it's on my list of someday publishing goals. They can slap bestseller on anything they do now because it's true. I will argue with their platform they should have sold more, but their limited success with this book does prove that they aren't super popular as they thought lol. I mean they had at the time a TV show, tons of followers, everything for a slam dunk book launch but it just didn't happen. Hope we hold is more like the writing is on the wall and lets see what sticks lol.

I hope this clears some stuff up!

Source - 

 

[SongbirdHollow]

8 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Yeah, and he considers Brewskis a sign that the devil has you in his grip.....😁

....Yet he also admits that his vaunted homeschool education -- that supposedly saves you from an eternity of hellfire -- gave him zero ability to control himself when he's tempted to do something he believes is a hellish evil. 

...and that 10 or 11 years of his perfect homeschool education that absolutely will save your children from temptation--  (and conducted  in his case by one of the two most godly people he's ever known (diana, the other being chuck) to a huge student body of three )-- couldn't in actuality help him ward off the devilish temptations he encountered in a year or two of high school. 

If homeschooling can't protect your soul through a couple years of high school, how can he believe it protects you for life?      Sounds to me like it must only protect you if you stay in it for life....

The only way to avoid succumbing to temptation is to never meet any temptations.

Does it ever occur to these people that virtually nothing they say -- or, allegedly, believe -- makes any sense whatsoever? 

 

Short answer: no

 

Long answer: Noooooooooooo

[BigBingerBro]

[Zella]

The stuff about the agent from their acknowledgments is interesting because when I checked Publishers Marketplace a few months ago, I never could find an agent listing for them or a deal for a book. 

Now the book does have a listing as having reached "bestseller" status, with  their highest rank as #101 on USA Today General and last charting back in May. But there is still no listing for a deal or an agent. 

Their agent has a profile and lists some of his select projects, but they don't make the cut. He is a bigger deal than I expected him to be, and I was surprised to see some pretty high profile clients/books attached to him. 

But it seems to me like even their agent doesn't have much interest in them, to be perfectly honest. He didn't bother submitting the deal to PM when they signed (they send out almost daily emails of new deals) and he doesn't bother listing them as a client. I think he knows they are small time. 

Edited to add: I bet he was also highly impressed by how shitty they were at marketing the book, which was historically awful. They didn't seem to care. Why should he? I think that's going to come back to haunt them since it seems like something that would scare off others who may want to partner with them on something. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by Zella

[Cinnabon]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

The Jeremy Vuolo Story: Born to be Mild

Right? And now he seems to have an Uber exciting life eating and playing card games at home.

[Churchhoney]

35 minutes ago, Zella said:

The stuff about the agent from their acknowledgments is interesting because when I checked Publishers Marketplace a few months ago, I never could find an agent listing for them or a deal for a book. 

Now the book does have a listing as having reached "bestseller" status, with  their highest rank as #101 on USA Today General and last charting back in May. But there is still no listing for a deal or an agent. 

Their agent has a profile and lists some of his select projects, but they don't make the cut. He is a bigger deal than I expected him to be, and I was surprised to see some pretty high profile clients/books attached to him. 

But it seems to me like even their agent doesn't have much interest in them, to be perfectly honest. He didn't bother submitting the deal to PM when they signed (they send out almost daily emails of new deals) and he doesn't bother listing them as a client. I think he knows they are small time. 

Edited to add: I bet he was also highly impressed by how shitty they were at marketing the book, which was historically awful. They didn't seem to care. Why should he? I think that's going to come back to haunt them since it seems like something that would scare off others who may want to partner with them on something. 

I've wondered what became of their representation from that great big talent agency. Seems like they linked up with them last spring or thereabouts? When they were really pushing their then new crusade to become big-time influencers? .... 

That's a huge agency and I think they'd bought some other agencies that were heavily into the influencer game and then were trying to beef up that part of their business, so that's how they got the Vuolos.....I picture Jer going into sales pitch mode and convincing them to sign them up. 

 I think this is about the first thing we've ever seen that specifically came out of that agency connection.  I think they mentioned the agency on their website at one point....But now the website seems to have dwindled into the Shit We Quit category.....

Wonder if they're still signed. Without the tv show, they don't have much to build on at this point, seems to me....

[iwantcookies]

titles for future books 

Jeremy: vanilla has been husband of Jinger Duggar 

Jeremy: past breakout star of TLC

Jeremy who? Oh the guy who married a Duggar 

Jeremy: personality of a jellyfish and a face for the radio 

Jeremy: RADDEST homie in Los Angeles 

[galaxygirl76]

54 minutes ago, Zella said:

Edited to add: I bet he was also highly impressed by how shitty they were at marketing the book, which was historically awful. They didn't seem to care. Why should he? I think that's going to come back to haunt them since it seems like something that would scare off others who may want to partner with them on something. 

This is probably why he's all like 'Jeremy Duggar? I don't know her'

[Churchhoney]

1 hour ago, Zella said:

The stuff about the agent from their acknowledgments is interesting because when I checked Publishers Marketplace a few months ago, I never could find an agent listing for them or a deal for a book. 

Now the book does have a listing as having reached "bestseller" status, with  their highest rank as #101 on USA Today General and last charting back in May. But there is still no listing for a deal or an agent. 

Their agent has a profile and lists some of his select projects, but they don't make the cut. He is a bigger deal than I expected him to be, and I was surprised to see some pretty high profile clients/books attached to him. 

But it seems to me like even their agent doesn't have much interest in them, to be perfectly honest. He didn't bother submitting the deal to PM when they signed (they send out almost daily emails of new deals) and he doesn't bother listing them as a client. I think he knows they are small time. 

Edited to add: I bet he was also highly impressed by how shitty they were at marketing the book, which was historically awful. They didn't seem to care. Why should he? I think that's going to come back to haunt them since it seems like something that would scare off others who may want to partner with them on something. 

This also means 10-20% of their book earnings went to this guy, too. Can't see how they'd avoid that. (since this also explains how these two dunderheads got a contract with a major publisher's imprint...) 

I continue to be completely baffled by their finances. 

Edited August 5, 2021 by Churchhoney

[madpsych78]

4 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

Jinger having friends is like the most newsworthy thing that has happened in her life. Oh, and could she look any more like the girls from The Shining? The hairstyle was bad enough, but the dress is similar now too.

[Cinnabon]

9 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

Jinger having friends is like the most newsworthy thing that has happened in her life. Oh, and could she look any more like the girls from The Shining? The hairstyle was bad enough, but the dress is similar now too.

She really does look like the creepy twins! Yikes.

[Dehumidifier]

I always wondered why I see "bestseller" on so many books in the clearance bins. Thanks to the above, now I know.

[Cinnabon]

He is such a coward. Note he never calls out any of the specific “evils.”

Edited August 6, 2021 by Cinnabon

[Cinnabon]

Someone did the lort’s work.

[Cinnabon]

45 minutes ago, Cinnabon said:

He is such a coward. Note he never calls out any of the specific “evils.”

Tell you what Jeremy, I’ll go first. I frequently call out all sorts of evils on my social media accounts. Evils like selfishness, greed, willful ignorance, lies, entitlement, and hypocrisy. Now you.

[Gigi43]

1 hour ago, Cinnabon said:

He is such a coward. Note he never calls out any of the specific “evils.”

 

Man up Jeremy, and actually expose evil, name names. 

[BigBingerBro]

[JoanArc]

The fact that Jeremy cannot tell a pencil apart from a pen kind of explains why it’s taking so long to get his degree.

[Teriacky]

Jinger needs to scrunch her hair while it’s drying in order to get those beachy waves. She also needs to give Felicity her barrette back.

[BitterApple]

So Jeremy's advertising a pencil placed on notes that were clearly written in pen. Interesting.

[emmawoodhouse]

So, how much for the pencil? $10?

Which begs the question: Who the hell shills pencils? 😂

Edited August 7, 2021 by emmawoodhouse

[iwantcookies]

Jeremy TLC break out star Vuolo 

4 minutes ago, emmawoodhouse said:

So, how much for the pencil? $10?

Which begs the question: Who the hell shills pencils? 😂

 

[GeeGolly]

9 hours ago, Teriacky said:

Jinger needs to scrunch her hair while it’s drying in order to get those beachy waves. She also needs to give Felicity her barrette back.

Her hair is textured and would crinkle if she scrunched it. She needs to blow it dry and put the waves in with a curling iron to get the trendy beach waves.

If she's smart, she'd leave it alone for a while, as her hair doesn't seem to hold up well to dye and a lot of styling.

[Churchhoney]

14 hours ago, Gigi43 said:

 

Man up Jeremy, and actually expose evil, name names. 

I think he saves that for sermons where there aren't so many people watching.

For example, he's been quite strong about calling out the specific evil of a pastor, named, who said he feels great sympathy for gay people who want to get married.

He's been quite strong about Jazz's parents being evil because they failed to take strong disciplinary control of their child; they should simply have shut down any talk about feeling uncomfortable with an assigned gender because any one who mentions such a thing is committing the worst sin possible -- flying in the face of what God has decreed. 

And he's been quite strong about saying that Catholics are satanic. In fact, a town with many Catholics is being overrun by a satanic horde, he said. More than once. 

But here on the internet he doesn't name anything because he wants everybody to think he's cool. And living in LA and browsing social media when he's able to get hold of Jingle's phone, he's learned that quite a few people don't think the above list is cool. 

[Cinnabon]

5 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

I think he saves that for sermons where there aren't so many people watching.

For example, he's been quite strong about calling out the specific evil of a pastor, named, who said he feels great sympathy for gay people who want to get married.

He's been quite strong about Jazz's parents being evil because they failed to take strong disciplinary control of their child; they should simply have shut down any talk about feeling uncomfortable with an assigned gender because any one who mentions such a thing is committing the worst sin possible -- flying in the face of what God has decreed. 

And he's been quite strong about saying that Catholics are satanic. In fact, a town with many Catholics is being overrun by a satanic horde, he said. More than once. 

But here on the internet he doesn't name anything because he wants everybody to think he's cool. And living in LA and browsing social media when he's able to get hold of Jingle's phone, he's learned that quite a few people don't think the above list is cool. 

And this is why I’m calling him out as a coward.