S20.E03: Week 3

[OnceSane]

Lauren B. and Ben take a bi-plane to a secluded date that includes a performance by Lucy Angel; soccer players Alex Morgan and Kelley O'Hara coach 12 of the women in a soccer competition; Ben receives tragic news.

Edited January 15, 2016 by OnceSane
locked topic until after show airs

[ByTor]

OK, last week Amos Lee and Kevin Hart (never heard of either of them), so for this week I must ask...who is Lucy Angel???

Edited January 14, 2016 by ByTor

[bosawks]

Obviously she's an Angel named Lucy.

 

Short for Lucifer...........

Edited January 15, 2016 by bosawks

[dbell1]

Well, that was a weird episode. He's heartbroken over people dying and Olivia talks about cankles?

[bosawks]

I see your Dead Family and I raise you the heartbreak of Cankles!

[kelnic86]

Wow. I can't believe the level of cattiness and insecurity displayed from some of these girls.

 

Team Jubilee! 

[kia112]

Ben's date with Jubilee?  I am here for it all.  I feel like this is the first time that I can remember that a bachelor was legitimately interested in a black woman and I'm a fan.  I love that he heard all of her weirdness and social awkwardness and was still all, "Yes, girl.  Take this rose."  You massage away.  I'm not mad at it.

[JenE4]

Who is this girl who does nothing but sit outside and listen to various other girls (Calia, Julibee, etc.) moan and cry? Is she an actual contestant? They could have a producer sitting in and I wouldn't know the difference.

Lauren B date was good. She seems sweet, pretty, and normal--can't find a single thing to snark on. Definite potential there. Must have gotten a good deal at the hot tub store last week.

Surprised only one person got injured on this soccer date the way they kept crashing into each other. They're actually billing someone as unemployed! Not a fill-in-the-blank enthusiast/lover of some sort? Not an entrepreneur?

Did someone just tell Olivia that the other girls said her toes look like fried chicken? And how did the cameraman not zoom right to her feet? (My daughter was talking so I missed most of this part.)

Jubilee was crying over the thought of not getting a date, then ecstatic screaming when she got it, then indifferent when it was time for the date to start. Anyone catch the various words tattooed on her body? "The" something over her heart, something on her shoulder, something behind her ear. For those playing at home, this year's tragic story to beat is my entire family died in a fire and I'm the only surviving member of my bloodline. Top that, ladies!

Oh, geez! Ben nearly tops it with two family friends dying in a plane crash.

OMG, Olivia pulls him away not to console him but to CRY about how people write blogs about her cankles?!?!!?! What the--?!?! Oh, I nearly forgot that she's a news anchor so I guess she's in the spotlight. I'm thinking she's a "regular person" and some coworker two cubicles down is pissed that Olivia back stabbed her to the boss and she thinks she's all that--but have you seen her cankles? You're not so perfect! :-P

Why does Amber need to have a talk with Jubilee in front of the other girls? And now in front of Ben? Amber, you're being stupid. You're going to get de-rosed if you keep it up and only make Ben feel empathy for Jubilee.

Lace knew she was being sent home and bailed. Well, at least she has the insight to realize she needs to work on herself. Godspeed, Lace! That leaves you, Olivia! Keep up reading the signs that you're the favorite because he picks you last and squeezes various body parts such as your leg and waist...but not your cankles or fried chicken toes.

[TacoBoutIt]

These girls need a sense of humour.

[truthaboutluv]

Wow, what a horribly unlikable group of women. There was something very icky and uncomfortable about the attacks on Jubilee. Jubliee does seem somewhat closed off and maybe hard to read to most people but nothing she did tonight or was shown, warranted these women's comments and attitudes in my opinion.  It felt like just attacking someone for no reason and I loved Ben shutting down Amber in her bullshit. Speaking of Amber, maybe it was a good thing she was such a nonentity in Chris' season because wow is she annoying. Also I think that group date rose was a pity rose. 

 

Ben is so clearly gone over Lauren B. it's almost laughable. I wished I'd seen more of what he finds so special, meaning more of their conversations and less their making out but whatever. His face and body language gave it all away. Lauren B. is definitely Top 2. And ah you gotta love this cheesy hot ass mess of a show, where a hot tub just pops up in the middle of nowhere. Because one cannot truly be on a journey to find true love unless a hot tub is involved. 

 

On the positive, good for Lace for realizing what this show was doing to her. Of course I'm sure she'll show up on BIP be BSC there but points for some awareness. And on the funny note, man I would love to live in this alternate reality Olivia lives in where she sees all these signs and signals Ben is apparently sending to her. 

 

He's heartbroken over people dying and Olivia talks about cankles?

 

Best moment of the night. Honestly, I was loving Olivia tonight because she was bringing the humor. Granted it was unintentional, but girl had me cracking up and honestly I needed the humor after the bad taste these catty brats left in my mouth for the way they were treating Jubilee.

Edited January 19, 2016 by truthaboutluv

[leighdear]

No way Olivia is every going to work in Network broadcasting again.  At least not in a significant market.  Her confidence has blazed right into arrogance and that is not attractive.  Or professional.  Or emotionally normal.  

Edited January 19, 2016 by leighdear

[Superpole2000]

Wow. I can't believe the level of cattiness and insecurity displayed from some of these girls.

I can totally believe it because we've all seen it in real life. People are tribal by nature, and Jubilee was separating herself from the tribe. Amber looked bad for forcing the confrontation, but Jubilee is always going to get into situations like this if she continues to curl up in a ball in the corner when in group situations.

 

I liked Ben this episode more than any other time I have seen him. He may be pulling off the incredible feat of becoming more likable as the season progresses.

[MissE]

I'm going to go against the grain, and say that Jubilee is about as fake as they come.  I think she turned on those waterworks because Ben was there, and she wanted sympathy. I hate when girls go on this show, and then act like they are above it, and that's what I feel Jubilee is doing.

 

 

I have so much second hand embarrassment for Olivia. She's a total nutcase.

[shouldbedancing]

This was an interesting episode. I don't know what to think about Jubilee. I like her and I want to root for her but at the same time I'm wary of her. I think she has Issues, like serious ones that shouldn't be exploited by a TV show. I feel worried about when she's let go. And about the other girls and hers. And when she's not with Ben. Her mopiness in the front half of the episode was really depressing. She looks startlingly different with make up on. I don't really see her long term for Ben but he seems infatuated by now. He's like a type of woman he's never dated and kind of has a broken bird angle he probably digs.

 

Jami... I'm sorry but... the minority quotient is full. You shouldn't have been surprised you're gone. Sorry! Don't take it so much to heart. Her exit speech sounded like a 7th grader who just got rejected via note by her first crush.

 

I thought it was pretty ugly of Amber to go after Jubilee in front of Ben. His head must have been spinning.

 

The funniest part of the night was when Cankles was whining to Ben after his death in the family and there was this like WHOMP WHOMP music cue that made me crack up. I need to rewind and find that again.

 

Olivia is a scary stalker and... people actually write hate blogs about he local weekend newscaster's cankles? That's kind of scary...

 

My favorite so far is Caila, even if she had a little breakdown there. She's so pretty. Well, there's not much more to like besides that so... whoops.

 

I'm looking forward to next week!

[DEL901]

OMG - Is Olivia a tween? Ooh, he stole my book.  He must love me!

 

I go back and forth on Jubilee.   They other ladies were not nice, but she seems to switch emotions every quickly.  I can't see bland Ben, as much as he said he loved her honesty and how she said whatever was on her mind, liking this in the long run.  It's one of traits that you say "how cute" in the beginning and then you want to punch that person later for the same thing.

Edited January 19, 2016 by DEL901

[dom16]

Ben is one of the best Bachelors they've had in a while. I loved him standing up for Jubilee and saying that he understands her humor and wants her to be comfortable and how he actually cares about the women in the house. Could you imagine Chris Soules trying to handle any of the stuff that went down in tonight's episode? It's a shame Ben's being wasted on such a bitchy, petty group of girls. The only likable ones are Jubilee, Lauren B (I laughed out loud at her stuffing her face with salad while all the other girls were sitting around bitching and complaining), and Amanda (the single mother shtick is annoying, but she's sweet and it's slim pickings with this group). 

[Mu Shu]

Well I finally know who Jami is, and now she's gone. Too bad, one of the prettier and lower drama humans.

Jubilee is nuts. Sorry lady, you aren't the only person in the world sho is oh so deep and misunderstood.

Amber sucks. Just let jubilee be her nutty self.

Cankles. I sort of love Olivia now. Sorry your friends died , but let's talk about the horror of living with cankles.

Rachel is too cute. Can she be the next B ette?

[HighwayFlower]

I like Jubilee, but I don't see her lasting with Ben. She needs someone not so bland. She is someone I would love to see as the Bachlorette though!

[KenyaJ]

These women are an insufferable group of bitches and I hate all of them except Lauren B. and Jubilee. 

 

Also, I'm pleasantly surprised by what a good Bachelor Ben is turning out to be. I watched Kaitlyn's entire season, but somehow paid minimal attention throughout it, so Ben didn't make much of an impression on me then. But I'm liking how engaged he is with the women he likes and his ability to see through the ones he doesn't like, even when he has to keep them around for the sake of production.

[FlyingEgret]

I go back and forth on Jubilee too - love her sarcastic side but am confused about her fear of helicopters; as a war vet she should have gotten over that in basic training; unless there reasons they haven't shared...

[threebluestars]

Jubilee as Bachelorette would be awesome. I think she'd be more confident too.

 

She made Ben more interesting in their time together. He did seem truly engaged with her story and her as a person, moreso than with anyone else.

[Alapaki]

So.  

 

Lace actually quoted . . . her tattoo?

 

Shine on, you crazy diamond.

[PTVjones]

First time ever commenting on a Bachelor board so hey there everyone!

 

I'm posting because it's how strongly I feel about why I don't like Amber. 

 

I won't pretend to know what Jubilee's life experience is like and how that affects her ability to relate to other people. However, I do recognize her social awkwardness. I do like here nonetheless as I have the ability to like people who don't have the same exact personality as I do. Which moves me on to Amber. Amber sees that Jubilee is rubbing girls the wrong way and instead of confronting her with even an ounce of compassion (one-on-one to listen to Jubilee's POV before extending her own) she tries to ambush Jubilee with the grown up version of The Babysitter's Club. Then when it doesn't go her way she confronts her in front of Ben to make Jubilee look like the girl that no one likes in the house. Amber deserved to get cursed out because Jubilee saw her game, and so did Ben. Jubilee may have her issues but she's a military girl and I'm sure can handle her own if she feels the need. Good for Ben for recognizing the cattiness and basically saying "No, not today." If someone feels ganged up on of course they are going to retreat, what do you think they're going to do? Stop worrying about Jubilee and worry about Ben, this your 2nd/3rd time on a Bachelor show. 

Edited January 19, 2016 by PTVjones

[roses]

There was quite a few comments towards Jubilee that gave me pause "Ben wants a wife that will be friends with all the other soccer moms." Uh what? Seriously urgh most of the reactions was over board and petty.

[Rainsong]

-The Great Jubilee Debate threatens to derail the season - and certainly this episode - but it's clear that Good Boy Ben wouldn't dream of advancing her very far so it's mostly a mock debate.  I've mostly stayed away from Twitter during episodes if only because the flood of tweets is impossible to keep up with.  The Jubileers can't resist the 'wounded bird' phenomenon and are pumping out sympathy.  Meanwhile, many of these same Jubileers are making one nasty remark after another about her weave and the dangers (apparently) posed by pools and hot tubs.

 

-'Layered' looks remarkably similar to PTSD - which is probably the issue here - or 'I pretend I'm deep and mysterious to mask my real problem which is a general lack of personality of any kind.'

 

-Jubileers who are honest with themselves will admit that had any other Bachelorette pulled the massage table stunt they would have been pilloried in the house and on these pages.  PS - it didn't look like Ben enjoyed it one bit nor did it have a prayer (no pun intended) of overcoming the bad news he received.

 

-Can we take up a collection to buy Jubilee some shirt buttons?  Has anyone got a single lonely safety pin in the meantime?

 

-Speaking of hot tubs, the product placement on The Price Is Right is more subtle than this plugfest.

 

-Olivia's slow motion pratfall began in earnest tonight and it looks like next week she will use the big stage of the Vegas Strip and Fremont Street to complete her crash to earth.

 

-Ben must wonder privately what he's got himself into but if he has any stones at all he might have a word with the producers and casting agents that limited him, as a practical matter, to 2-3 girls out of pool of 25 that MIGHT have long-term potential, to say nothing of being marriage material.  I have no spoiler knowledge but the contenders are obvious.

 

-Lauren B continues to cruise at 30,000 feet (geddit?).  A stonking bod, not too thin, not too curvy.  You don't wear crop tops unless you have absolute confidence in the abs.  She's used to fending off horny, drunk and desperate travelers but can also turn the eye lights on at will and Ben was getting the full sparkly display at dinner.  If she had offered him a dog collar and a leash he would have asked for help in buckling it around his neck.

 

-Lauren B ALMOST dismissed the flight as a busman's holiday, which it was to some degree, but deftly avoided too much criticism.  The chase plane shooting video ruined the mood somewhat.

 

-Stockholm Syndrome kicking in quick smart at the mansion, especially with already-needy types like Caila who is already losing the plot.

 

-Hot New Country.  Ugh.  Same compression, same EQ, same production, same reverb, same chorus, same instrumentation, same studio musicians.  Is it any wonder the loaves of bread coming from the Nashville bakery taste the same when they all start with the same ingredients in the same proportions?

 

-Jojo also proudly sported some enhanced cleavage in the morning gabfest.

 

-Let us not forget that CH was a scholarship soccer player in a prestigious program at Indiana.  Why this wasn't mentioned or why they didn't show some of his skills on camera remains a mystery.

 

-It was less of a Rose Ceremony and more of a forced march.  The ladies who left didn't really deserve to stay but precious few of the others do either!

 

-Shame about Lace.  Didn't watch the Live program on which she apparently appeared but her brand of mercurial possessiveness should fit right in those malarial huts in Mexico for BIP.

 

 

[Agnes Bean]

She made Ben more interesting in their time together. He did seem truly engaged with her story and her as a person, moreso than with anyone else.

 

I could not agree more. He was laughing and having fun and occasionally being awkward in a way that felt really honest. It wasn't over the top romantic like a lot of the dates on this show, but the day part actually felt like watching a real first date that could happen between two people (other than the location, of course). The intense soul baring at dinner was a bit much for a real world first date, obviously, but it felt like they actually had a real connection over it. Or at least faked it well.

 

That said, I do think he has more long term potential with Lauren B, and he's clearly head over heels for her. She does seem perfectly nice and like a good fit for him, but DAMN do they make for boring TV. Just smiling and saying "like" every other word. I mean good for them if they're as into each other as it seems, but yawn. Only good part of that date was the scenery porn and the lol moment of the hot tub in the middle of nowhere.

 

Also: Wow Olivia. Either she's really good at playing a part, or she's just straight up batshit with all those "signs." And talking about her body issues right after Ben's tragedy definitely knocked her down in is mind.

 

Finally, I'm 100% Team Jubilee when it comes to her vs. the other women. She's an odd duck, for sure, but as far as they showed she didn't do anything malicious or even unintentionally bad (and since the only thing Amber mentioned was her joke at the beginning of the date, I don't think anything big was cut); nothing I saw was at all worth the others ganging up on her, and I LOVE that she wasn't going to just meekly let the other girls attack her.

 

I'm sure the whole "go confront Jubilee" idea was at least partially producer pushed, but still,it made everyone else look bad, not just for viewers but to Ben. I bet you anything Amber is cut next week after that.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Agnes Bean

[Ms Blue Jay]

PTVJones I love your post but let's not tarnish the great Baby Sitters club with Amber, LOL!

 

First point, Cankles, that is all.... Cankles being the trump card over death, that is all...

 

Second point, who interrupts a massage of a grieving person?  These women are mad jealous haters.  They were upset they didn't think of the massage first, which seemed genius.  Maybe Ben didn't want to talk and just wanted to be comforted or have his stress relieved.

 

Was Lace forced out somehow and bowed out to save face?

 

It is a huge competition of who's more dumb Cankles versus Amber.  You know sometimes when women act like Amber the man buys into it, so good on Ben.  Caila absolutely nailed it when she said Amber simply wanted to attack Jubilee and Jubilee wouldn't stand for it.  Amber refused to even give Jubilee a CHOICE on whether or not she would receive her bullshit --- followed her around the house until she heard it, OMG.  

 

I loved Jubilee and Ben's date.  Now that I saw Ben with Jubilee he seemed so much more vulnerable and human.  He was caught off guard by her and not acting like the fake corny gentleman he usually seems to be.  I love how Ben can handle all of these different women and seem totally cool throughout.  It's almost ridiculous.  The man put a war veteran at ease.  Though when Lace left it looked like he couldn't care less and I don't blame him.  Now I think Cankles is even worse.

 

Jamie was pretty, but kind of dull.  I still like Amanda.  There were 2 women there, at least, that I didn't recognize at all.  kia112 I agree with everything you said.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Ms Blue Jay

[PTVjones]

PTVJones I love your post but let's not tarnish the great Baby Sitters club with Amber, LOL!

The Babysitter's Club legacy still holds a very special place in my heart Blue Jay lol.

[blackwing]

I haven't watched an episode of The Bachelor since probably season 3, but was flipping channels and was intrigued because I knew this was week 3 and I actually saw multiple minority contestants still there!!! Usually all the non-white people generally survive the first week but then get cut on the second, right?

I like Jubilee and I think she would be a great Bachelorette. It'd be a first for the show.

This Olivia person, is she an actual newscaster for a TV station? I can't imagine a TV station being ok with one of their news anchors appearing on a show like this. They tend to destroy credibility. She is completely possessive and crazy. "That's my husband." She's known him for two weeks!

[LakeGal]

Why were the women more interested in ganging up on Jubilee than spending time with Ben?  It was so odd.  They were angry that Jubilee was monopolizing Ben.  Yet Ben was wandering around the mansion all alone while they attacked Jubilee.  I have never seen a Bachelor so ignored before. 

[Jodio]

Ben H. is somehow morphing into a great Bachelor. I didn't see this coming. Of course I'm still distracted by his moley face, but that's nothing that some apple cider vinegar can't fix.

Lauren B. totally sold me on her father. They should line him up to be the next Bachelor. No wonder she seems so mentally balanced, especially compared to the crew of nutbars in that house. I realize that the burden of cankles and ugly toes can cause a great deal of distress, but Olivia was treading into tin hat territory with all the "signs" she was picking up on from Ben.

 

For the first time in franchise history, a Bachelorette actually showed some self-awareness and wisdom. And it was Lace! They should play her closing remarks on a loop for the rest of the women so that they get a little perspective and realize that the only path to love with another person is through loving yourself. And yes Amber, you can even adopt a bunch of cats for that process. In fact, spending time with some cats would probably do her a lot of good.

[TiaLou]

I think she has Issues, like serious ones that shouldn't be exploited by a TV show. -- shouldbedancing

 

This. I can't figure out if it's PTSD or what, but I think there's more going on with Jubilee than just being introverted or whatever. Watching her tell Ben that she's had this traumatic life -- without telling the details, which she doesn't have to tell in front of a camera -- made me angry at myself for falling for this show again, which totally abuses people's frailties. 

 

And now for my hypocritical snark: I think Amber has a pretty face but I'm surprised her hair is so ... unstyled or something. And she's terribly boring. For someone who's on her third round of this insanity, she should've figured things out by now.

 

I was surprised none of the Bachelorettes on the group date had *any* experience playing soccer. I would've guessed that at least two or three of them had played at some point, even just in childhood.

 

I like Ben. He's handling the wackiness pretty well.

[Padma]

I hope Ben can keep going on this way--if so, he'll easily be the new favorite from this show. He seems kind, genuine, great with the women, someone easy to have fun with, easy to be serious with. I liked how he was with Jubilee (and, at last, a possible AA-white romance!)--he has a warm caring vibe that you can completely see women feeling comfortable with him and "falling for him" along with his good looks.

 

It's very early on, but I loved his chemistry with Lauren B. They were very low-key together, neither one trying to be "on" and fake to make an impression either on each other or on the cameras. Lauren's looks are interesting because she's very pretty but not "perfect" in her look and doesn't seem to care. Aside from the hair color, she looks natural--nose, teeth, body, all seems real, which isn't always the case here. A little plastic surgery (nose, boob s) Could have made her look just like  a short Barbie,  or just like Emily (Brad season). She doesn't need to do any of it, but it's nice she seems confident and  comfortable with herself..

 

And I loved when Ben looked at her in the hot tub and said, "You're so danged cute!" Not "so beautiful", Not "so incredible, amaing, etc.".  He chose a real word, not trying to impress. Again, they both just seemed like nice, honest, sincere people. And they both can listen. You could see Lauren B really listening and feeling for him during thet part about his father when he was trying to disclose himself. They both made me feel very calm watching them -- can't remember any couple I felt that wasy about before, especially this early on. 

 

Hopefully, he won't go the route of so many before him.  So far, he's a great Bachelor.

[yorklee2]

Wow what a group of insecure women. Yes Jubilee's a little hard to get to know but has she gave any of them any reason to pounce on her like that. They thought she was being ungrateful when she made the comment about would someone else like her date. She was joking for goodness sake! Brought on no doubt by nervousness and some anxiety about that plane ride.

 

I was really glad for Amber when she was able to finally talk to Ben and get a rose and then she kills all that with her pushy attitude to Jubilee. Really Amber? How about talking to her sensibly and not come in with a "your going to talk to us or else" attitude. She was not respecting Jubilee's wishes and was being rude. Then to interrupt her and Ben to push it again. Not the time and not the place. I won't be surprised if she goes home next week.

 

As opposed to most other women who would monopolize the bachelor's time when they already have a rose I actually didn't see anything wrong with what Jubilee did in giving Ben the massage. Olivia was all about her cankles, (and I think she dropped a lot in Ben's eyes over that) but other than Amanda none of the other women thought to console him in any way. I think what she did was very thoughtful. She wasn't trying to push her agenda and I saw nothing suggestive in it. She was just trying to relieve some of his stress. Good for her.

 

Which is why I wasn't surprised at all when Jami got sent home. She interrupted and that was the nail in her coffin.

 

Lauren B is really sweet and I see a good rapport with her and Ben. It looks easy and effortless when their together. She's definitely going to be top 3 unless something dramatic happens.

 

Boy did Lace come out on top or what? I totally didn't see that coming. Maybe she was right all along and wasn't as "crazy" as we thought. Good for her.

Edited January 19, 2016 by yorklee2

[Artsda]

The Ben/Lauren B date was really normal and natural between them. It reminded me a lot of the wedding crashing episode with Farmer Chris and Whitney. They just felt natural and real together and that's what I got with Ben and Lauren's date.

 

Amber's just ridiculous, why did she need to confront Jubiliee about anything and in a group gang up on her setting to boot? That gang girl attack on her mentality is petty and I'm glad Jubilee was having none of it and that Ben wouldn't really have it either. Amber sure did a turn fast when Ben was in the room "I just want to talk" that's why you need a gang of girls with you for this talk? 

 

The fact Ben said people he cared about died today and the reactions of a lot of these girls were still about rose-time-me-me-me is wow. Olivia, Amber, all the ones that were whining over Jubilee doing something nice for him on a bad day because she was talking time from them. Selfish catty  people. 

 

While I like Becca, for her to be so high up on Ben's rose list is odd. I have yet to actually see them interact. 

[catrice2]

Gosh. I thought I would be able to keep up based upon the posts. One of my friends is obsessed with the show and she called me, so I came here to find out what happened. I have no idea, but it is highly unlikely that Jubilee will make it far. My guess would be that she goes out on some type of drama. Sounds like the drama already started tonight. As predicted, everything that she does/did will be viewed through a different microscope. My friend said she want on a date and the other women thought she was being "conceited, cocky," something. Of course, I'm sure no one else in the history of this show ever felt more relaxed after getting a one on one. She also said the other women were talking behind her back, walking away when she made a comment to them, but then said she was being remote.

I can't imagine that it would be easy to be a house full of people that you don't know, all wanting the same thing, and it be comfortable! I didn't watch, but so far I have not seen anything posted here that sounds as if she was bragging or deliberately being mean to the other women, so why were they mean to her? Anybody? I did see the previews for the season and I predict it has something to do with her when the Bachelor is saying something about wanting the person to know his feelings were real, or something, something that looks dramatic! Maybe she is the one that hits somebody? My friend is not the most reliable when recapping something,but if she was correct about the way they were coming after her then I might want to hit somebody too!

She also said there is some type of spoiler site that has already said she goes home early...so I don't know why people are so upset?

Edited January 19, 2016 by OnceSane
added spoiler tags

[Alapaki]

Why were the women more interested in ganging up on Jubilee than spending time with Ben?  It was so odd.  They were angry that Jubilee was monopolizing Ben.  Yet Ben was wandering around the mansion all alone while they attacked Jubilee.  I have never seen a Bachelor so ignored before.

 

 

And the dumbest thing is that Amber, who already had a rose herself, was leading the charge.  She had nothing to lose this week, and between her and Jubilee they monopolized most of the time.

 

I get that women with roses taking cocktail-party time is a kind of "not here to make friends" dick-move.  But I don't understand sitting around complaining about it instead of making a move for the Lead yourself.  

 

I loved the scene where whoever-it-was filled Olivia in on the other women talking shit about her.  Olivia obviously already realized her ass and legs are busted up.  But that look on her face tells me she never ever considered her toes.  And ever since that conversation, I bet that's all she can think about. 

[Padma]

I was shocked that Ben could tell them that kind of news without the women -all- being concerned and trying to make him feel better. I thought Jubilee's idea was a good one. Under normal circumstances, maybe they'd be right about the rose time, but under the circumstances, she had a good idea that might have helped him.

 

It seemed like most of the women just completely and immediately forgot that two of Ben's friends had just been killed that day. How is that possible? He seemed so hurt in the talking head after the whole ridiculous "cankles" conversation--complete with tears. She seemed incredibly shallow. If that didn't take Olivia out of consideration as a life partner, I don't know what could.

 

Jubilee does confuse me a bit. I understand that she has some scars from a tough life that she is very self-conscious about. And she seems more reserved and not a girl's girl, loving to be like living with a bunch of women in a sorority. There's nothing wrong with that--in fact it's always surprising to me that there are more people who really can't stand the level of togetherness (with lots of people 24/ 7) that is required on this show. I mean, they don't even get their own rooms (and sometimes they don't even get a bed of their own)$$.

 

I was a little surprised just because of Jubilee's military background. I thought she'd be more used to group interactions, though as an officer she'd often have privacy. This show doesn't really give them any..

 

I thought Jubilee's tears in response to Amber's ridiculous attack made her even more sympathetic. Amber trying to align herself with Ben "A lot of girls were upset when you said, 'does anyone else...?" was so transparent. I loved -- loved! -- how gently, but firmly, Ben read the  room, shut her down, and reassured Jubilee that he didn't share that opinion and that he was there for her, at the very least, he acted like a friend.

 

Lace impressed. And so did Ben in the nice way he talked about her, not dismissive (like Chris Soules last week talking about Ashley S) but gentlemanly and understanding.

 

So many weird situations he had to deal with, so many intense emotions, and already all the manipulations, all with cameras rolling -- I don't mind saying again that I'm very impressed by him. I can't remember a Bachelor whose impressed me so much. I really hope he can keep it up and I'm rooting for that whole "fairy tale" thing that we usually laugh about.

Edited January 19, 2016 by Padma

[yorklee2]

 

I loved the scene where whoever-it-was filled Olivia in on the other women talking shit about her.

That would be Jami. Which I thought was odd. Up until this episode she had kind of flew under the radar and what we did see of her was a kind of easygoing nondramatic type. That all changed in one episode. Wasn't she one of the group sitting on the couch when Olivia  whisked Ben away (for the umpteenth time) and flaunted her time with him by shouting down to the girls from the balcony? Why did she then feel it was necessary to start drama by telling Olivia what the girls were saying (and which she probably participated in) about her? Then she goes and interrupts Jubilee while she's giving Ben the massage with a outraged attitude and demeanor. I'm glad she's gone. 

Edited January 19, 2016 by yorklee2

[Lemons]

There was quite a few comments towards Jubilee that gave me pause "Ben wants a wife that will be friends with all the other soccer moms." Uh what? Seriously urgh most of the reactions was over board and petty.

 

You mean some of the women had underlying tones of racism in their comments?  Yes.  I do think he is too white bread to end up with anything other than another piece of dry white toast, but that group of women were bullies.  How dare Jubilee get an uppity attitude?  Who does she think she is? 

 

I do think Jubilee is sincere when she talks about her background and how she feels.  If she didn't feel like an outsider, or "different" at first, that group certainly made certain that she would. 

 

Olivia's the crazy one.  Ben's sending her signals and she's intercepting every one of them!  When he got up, he used her leg for support.  But she knew it was a signal to tell her that she's his future wife!  And she does have cankles.  Her ankle bone was missing in action when they did a close up.

 

What I noticed tonight was some of the contestants reminded me of political candidates.  They all want to talk to Ben that, oh shucks, they are simple girls, with family values, beautiful families and want nothing more than to be a wife and mother.

[dom16]

Also, way for Becca to show her true colors tonight after hiding behind the "I'm just a sweet and innocent virgin" character for a season and a half. Her turning and walking away from Jubilee as soon as Jubilee joined her conversation and using some BS excuse of "Oh, I just need to go get some lip gloss!" was one of the bitchiest/most high school things I've seen on this show, and I'm glad Carly called her out on it on Twitter. 

Edited January 19, 2016 by dom16

[Soobs]

Whatever is going on with Jubilee is ultimately going to be seen as baggage. He wants a perky, uncomplicated girl like the stewardess who looks like Hayden Panettiere. 

 

Cringiest moment for me was when the kindergarten teacher said "he wants a wife who gets along with the other SAWKER MAHMS".

[bravofan27]

My thoughts are that Olivia is 100% being nuts on purpose. She is interested in getting camera time and she is just here for TV exposure. In my opinion, she is trying to be remembered and has 0 interest in Ben. I do not take her seriously at all, and it seems that she is pretty obvious that she wants to viewer to know this-- with her declarations of marrying Ben Higgins, her weird shark teeth clenched smile, her claims that they touch in a certain way to communicate... I think she is making this stuff up 100%. I'm sure she will be gone soon.

 

Ben is a great bachelor. He seems like a caring guy.

 

My heart also broke for Jubilee. She had her defenses way up, and was being immature with, "I don't want to go on this date," and pouting when she returned and sitting around the house looking at the floor. But I think she is overwhelmed and is nervous about being around a bunch of white girls. Imagine if you are white girl, and you are competing for a black bachelor and most of the contestants are black. You are getting attention from the bachelor, and all the girls are hating on you. I'd feel very alone and intimidated as well. I'm really proud and happy that Jubilee brought up the fact they are an interracial couple. It's hard for black and white people to talk about race with one another but she did it and Ben responded well. I liked the whole thing. 

[thejuicer]

Team Jubilee. The other girls were catty because they were jealous that she got a one-on-one date. Her interaction with Ben was very cute I thought.

 

She was literally curled in a ball under a blanket at the rose ceremony when Amber marched up to her and demanded she go "talk to the girls". When she said she didn't want to Amber went back to the group and yelled "SHE WON'T COME HERE, SHE WANTS US TO GO TO HER". Um, no she didn't. Then she berates a crying Jubilee in front of Ben and her biggest offense was making that stupid "joke" about other girls wanting her date.  Awful behavior, I wish Ben had rescinded the rose he gave her.

[Mu Shu]

I hate how Amber was trying to be all expert professional and tell someone else how to act. Amber, You get a pass for being on the first time. You get a grudging pass and some corner eye for BIP. The third time? Nothing but contempt. As if you actually have one iota of wisdom. You do not.

I'm going to be Flav here and give you a name: Desperada.

[Bobcatkitten]

Ben handled everything with Jubilee so well. Their date was natural and cute. Yes, she is awkward. So what? Not every person in the house should have the same exact personality. And watching Amber and some of the others want to gang up on her was truly awful behavior. So glad Ben saw it for what it was. Can't these women take a joke for crying out loud? When she cried at the table with her family it was one of the only times I thought it was real - not just to play a card to get attention. 

 

Olivia - is she the same person from the premiere? Man she looks different. And the cankles and toes stuff was priceless.

 

I live in Indiana and know about the men who died last October that his family was friends' with. It hit that community very hard. Not surprised he was down. 

 

Loved he and Lauren. He seems really into her. And they were pretty great together. 

[leighdear]

So Ben made out with Becca.  That's at least 4 girls last night, Lauren B, Olivia, Jubilee and Becca.  He's making his way through the herd. Way to keep it away from the physical stuff, Ben!

 

Sharleen from Juan Pablo's season has a blog, and explains the concept of the "Girl Chat".  Basically a staged conversation the producers organize and while technically a girl can refuse to participate, it's discouraged.  So it's obvious to me the producers called one & told Amber to pull Jubilee out from under her blanket.  Amber does what she's told, so I absolutely believe she was going to get Jubilee one way or another.  But it came off aggressive and too insistant.  However, it shows Jubilee's immaturity level. 

 

I think Jubilee is wrong for this show.  Nobody but Ben knows about her dead family, so why should the girls treat her with kid gloves?  They probably think she's just a manipulator like dozens of girls before her, using a situation to her advantage.  

Edited January 19, 2016 by leighdear

[Lamb18]

This is shaping up to be a good season and that is mostly due to Ben. For the last two seasons there was very little substantial conversation during dates and last night there were two good conversations: Ben and Lauren about their fathers and then with Jubilee about her past. I really feel for Jubilee. She looks like she feels alienated among all these other girls. She's different in being black, Haitian, no family, adopted and military service. Plus she has the dark place of guilt in being the only one to survive in her family (wonder if the deaths were due to politics, disease, natural disaster) and she's probably seen her fellow soldiers die too while she survives, which would exacerbate that guilt. I think that after telling her story to Ben, all the feelings about it came to the surface and overwhelmed her so she needed to withdraw for a while. I can't believe how hateful the other girls were. I thought Becca was above that kind of behavior, but I guess not. I can't stand Amber now.

[JudyObscure]

And I loved when Ben looked at her in the hot tub and said, "You're so danged cute!" Not "so beautiful", Not "so incredible, amaing, etc.".

I loved that, too, because he had called her beautiful a few times and each time I would say, "No Ben, she's not beautiful, she's cute." I'm glad he looked at her enough to really see her and she definitely is extremely cute with a sound, well-balanced personality. I tend to think that while men admire beautiful the most, they're more likely to fall in love with cute. I think she'll win.

But first -- he's so intrigued with Jubliee and it's great to watch! She's that sort of complicated, high maintenance woman who can drive a man to desperation with her pouting, "You're twenty minutes late," followed a short while later by kisses and massages. It makes for entertaining TV to watch, but I have a feeling it might get messy later on. For one of them, not sure which.

Amber just sucks. What in the world would make her think she should take Jubilee to task based on the fact that she and a few other wall-flowers don't know a joke when they hear one? I'm so glad our war veteran didn't allow the enemy to surround her.

I wonder if whoever that is who is usually sitting outside being confided in is a smoker? Back when I still smoked, I would go off to blow my poison where no one would have to breath it, and it would be like I was Lucy with my 5 cent psychiatry sign up. People would come up and tell me all sorts of things and I would listen with a wise look on my face, because I was floating in that nicotine alpha wave.

Becca-- I've never liked her. Something about her bores me into a coma and yet she always acts a little above everyone else. I think this is all going to get better after Becca, kindergarten teacher Laura, Amber and a few others just go home.

Edited January 19, 2016 by JudyObscure

[Bobcatkitten]

Screw "Girl Chat." I'm not willingly going over to be attacked by a bunch of harpies because I don't giggle and flit about appropriately.