Sweet Fellowship: Duggars and Friends (aka the Bates Family and Other Featured Families Thread)

McManda · February 6, 2019

9 hours ago, madpsych78 said:

Guys, while I totally agree that Sarah has no imagination, are we really sure that the breaking eggs in the supermarket is because she can't visualize broken eggs?

She specifically gives going to the store to break eggs as part of the process of getting a photo from which she and her illustrator creating the drawings for her books.

From her blog post:

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The next step after choosing the illustration is to figure out a photograph that would depict what I’m envisioning for my illustrator to draw from.

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We’ve done some interesting things to get pictures over the years. One involved going to a grocery store, with a nurse friend of ours, and asking permission from the store to break some eggs on the floor. They were great to accommodate us! Another time, we rented a U-Haul truck and used smoke balls to make it look like the engine was smoking.

Churchhoney · February 6, 2019

12 minutes ago, McManda said:

She specifically gives going to the store to break eggs as part of the process of getting a photo from which she and her illustrator creating the drawings for her books.

From her blog post:

Aha.

She did it for the illustrator. Not so she could write about it but so she could give a photo reference to someone who'd then draw it. That's, like, completely different from what was being talked about up above!

Had nothing to do with her writing. She was providing a guide for the artist of exactly what illustration she wanted.

Makes perfect sense now. That's a totally normal thing to do. Nothing Maxwellian about it at all.

Edited February 6, 2019 by Churchhoney

Sew Sumi · February 6, 2019

Isn't Mary the illustrator these days?

doodlebug · February 6, 2019

21 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

Aha.

She did it for the illustrator. Not so she could write about it but so she could give a photo reference to someone who'd then draw it. That's, like, completely different from what was being talked about up above!

Had nothing to do with her writing. She was providing a guide for the artist of exactly what illustration she wanted.

Makes perfect sense now. That's a totally normal thing to do. Nothing Maxwellian about it at all.

Wouldn't most illustrators know what broken eggs look like without having a photo? Couldn't Sarah have just described what she was thinking? I guess I don't understand how anyone living a regular life out in the world wouldn't know what broken eggs on a floor look like. Or what a truck engine looks like when it's overheated and smoking, for that matter. It still seems like a lack of imagination on either Sarah's part (feeling the artist couldn't understand what she wanted without a photo) or the artist (being unable to picture something fairly simple that virtually everyone has seen). It still seems like there's a significant lack of imagination or lack of verbal descriptive ability involved here.

Churchhoney · February 6, 2019

16 minutes ago, doodlebug said:

Wouldn't most illustrators know what broken eggs look like without having a photo? Couldn't Sarah have just described what she was thinking? I guess I don't understand how anyone living a regular life out in the world wouldn't know what broken eggs on a floor look like. Or what a truck engine looks like when it's overheated and smoking, for that matter. It still seems like a lack of imagination on either Sarah's part (feeling the artist couldn't understand what she wanted without a photo) or the artist (being unable to picture something fairly simple that virtually everyone has seen). It still seems like there's a significant lack of imagination or lack of verbal descriptive ability involved here.

Sarah may be one of those writers who has a very specific vision of how they want the illustrations. I expect she almost certainly is, in her cautious, probably kinda control-freaky way. She's a Maxwell.

And her artist is almost undoubtedly another amateur -- maybe, as Sew Sumi says, a younger sister -- who prefers drawing from clear photos and wants the book to look the way Sarah wants it because Sarah's the one conceptualizing it. That kind of artist is going to feel a million times more secure having a photo that clearly shows what the writer is thinking about.

That being the case, this is 100 percent normal. And not unusual at all for this kind of thing.

There are volumes and volumes and volumes of photo-reference books out there that even some very very experienced professional artists use as a basis for pictures. Drawing a realistic picture (which a Maxwell book would have -- nothing fanciful here) from the imagination is way way harder than drawing something with a photo reference or the thing itself in front of you to rely on. And drawing from the imagination is much much much harder yet when you're trying to gather from words what's in somebody else's imagination, which is what the illustrator here would have to do.

Why would you make it hard on the artist -- for no reason -- when you could make it easy?

Plus, it's quite possible that she doesn't want just a picture of the broken egg but a picture of the broken egg in a supermarket with a certain kind of supermarket background or whatever.

Edited February 6, 2019 by Churchhoney

McManda · February 6, 2019

21 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

And her artist is almost undoubtedly another amateur -- maybe, as Sew Sumi says, a younger sister

If Mary is her younger sister, then yes. Mary is who she says is her illustrator. (I don't really follow the Maxwells, except what I glean from here.)

McManda · February 6, 2019

21 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

And her artist is almost undoubtedly another amateur -- maybe, as Sew Sumi says, a younger sister

If Mary is her younger sister, then yes. Mary is who she says is her illustrator. (I don't really follow the Maxwells, except what I glean from here.)

doodlebug · February 6, 2019

8 minutes ago, McManda said:

If Mary is her younger sister, then yes. Mary is who she says is her illustrator. (I don't really follow the Maxwells, except what I glean from here.)

I'm pretty sure Mary is the youngest of the Maxwell sisters.

madpsych78 · February 6, 2019

1 hour ago, doodlebug said:

I'm pretty sure Mary is the youngest of the Maxwell sisters.

Mary is the youngest of the eight Maxwell siblings, not just the sisters.

Sew Sumi · February 6, 2019

2 hours ago, McManda said:

If Mary is her younger sister, then yes. Mary is who she says is her illustrator. (I don't really follow the Maxwells, except what I glean from here.)

Which means that Mary has even less imagination than Poor Sarah.

Normades · February 6, 2019

11 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Sarah may be one of those writers who has a very specific vision of how they want the illustrations. I expect she almost certainly is, in her cautious, probably kinda control-freaky way. She's a Maxwell.

I think it is all about control. I can't believe she can't explain to her sister who has the same exact frame of references how she wants the picture to look. And honestly, if I were writing a book and had an illustrator I trusted, I think I would rather they read the book and draw what they see. What better way to get an idea of how your audience might picture your story. I think Sarah probably wants complete control, even over the way her readers interpret her stories.

She is a Maxwell, indeed.

Churchhoney · February 6, 2019

49 minutes ago, Normades said:

I think it is all about control. I can't believe she can't explain to her sister who has the same exact frame of references how she wants the picture to look. And honestly, if I were writing a book and had an illustrator I trusted, I think I would rather they read the book and draw what they see. What better way to get an idea of how your audience might picture your story. I think Sarah probably wants complete control, even over the way her readers interpret her stories.

She is a Maxwell, indeed.

I expect that Sarah can't help being a Maxwell after her upbringing. But, frankly, if you yourself weren't a little stubborn in that home you'd probably be in even worse shape, so it may be a good thing that she's got some of the Maxwell control stuff in her.

Nevertheless, even many artists who have their own visions and are employing them on a project use reference photographs. They offer far more DETAIL than what may be in your head for a given subject and they may in fact stimulate much more of your internal vision than you could get by just relying on memory and imagination. Our memory of visual images often isn't all that rich and a real picture in front of you can bring to mind lots of drawing ideas that just relying on visual memory wouldn't produce. Plus, we're not talking Michelangelo here; we're talking a young amateur artist. Reference photos give people ideas very often. They aren't just a crutch for the hopeless.

queenanne · February 6, 2019

Also, trying to picture what it matters that the friend they brought to the supermarket was a nurse... is she sure she didn’t mean ‘nice’? ‘oh, now that a nurse has asked us to throw some eggs...’? It’s like a Jilly Muffin story.

satrunrose · February 7, 2019

I assumed they brought the nurse to put the eggs back together again. Maybe they figured that a like-minded sweet friend could succeed where all the king's horses and all the king's men failed.

lookeyloo · February 7, 2019

Or in case there was an injury from those cracked shells!!

WallStreetDuchess · February 9, 2019

Oh boy, JRod has a few new Instagram posts up. It appears DEAR Timothy surprised her and Sweet Nurie with necklaces and cards for Valentine's Day. The one they're both hearts with the word Love on them. Kind of icky to give to your sister. Not to mention, he has other sisters. I wish I was able to post the pictures but am not on the right device at the moment.

galaxychaser · February 9, 2019

Jill r is a wonderful waste of space and a superb grifter.

ginger90 · February 9, 2019

21 minutes ago, WallStreetDuchess said:

Oh boy, JRod has a few new Instagram posts up. It appears DEAR Timothy surprised her and Sweet Nurie with necklaces and cards for Valentine's Day. The one they're both hearts with the word Love on them. Kind of icky to give to your sister. Not to mention, he has other sisters. I wish I was able to post the pictures but am not on the right device at the moment.

rodriguesfamilyservingjesus

We are here in Florida and guess what? We got a package from our precious Timothy ALL the way in Washington State. 💖 He wanted to remember and treat Nurie and I for Valentines Day. 💖💖 Timothy, your thoughtfulness and honoring me (Mom) and your sweet sister for Valentines Day meant SO much! You are going to make such a KIND husband someday! Thank you from the depths of our hearts! 😊 💜 Mama & Nurie

McManda · February 9, 2019

How convenient Tim had the foresight to send the Valentine's gifts to Florida.

I can't with JillR's eyeliner. It's so heavy and waaaay too dark. It ages her so much.

Scarlett45 · February 9, 2019

28 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

rodriguesfamilyservingjesus

We are here in Florida and guess what? We got a package from our precious Timothy ALL the way in Washington State. 💖 He wanted to remember and treat Nurie and I for Valentines Day. 💖💖 Timothy, your thoughtfulness and honoring me (Mom) and your sweet sister for Valentines Day meant SO much! You are going to make such a KIND husband someday! Thank you from the depths of our hearts! 😊 💜 Mama & Nurie

Yeah um no.

For the record I don’t think it’s weird or odd for a man to acknowledge his Mom or Sister, or Aunts or Nieces on a holiday (like Valentines Day or Mother’s Day). But wouldn’t he have sent a card to ALL the little girls (minus the baby)- kids love mail. The way Jill paints Nurie and Timothy’s relationship is CREEPY. Again, nothing wrong with opposite sex siblings being normal, close, socializing together- but no one (normal) thinks it’s a substitute for a romantic or sexual relationship. YESH!

A relationship with your opposite sex family member is perfectly normal and natural and has nothing to do with waiting on romance or sex.

Churchhoney · February 10, 2019

54 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

rodriguesfamilyservingjesus

We are here in Florida and guess what? We got a package from our precious Timothy ALL the way in Washington State. 💖 He wanted to remember and treat Nurie and I for Valentines Day. 💖💖 Timothy, your thoughtfulness and honoring me (Mom) and your sweet sister for Valentines Day meant SO much! You are going to make such a KIND husband someday! Thank you from the depths of our hearts! 😊 💜 Mama & Nurie

What's with those ghoulish smiles? They look like an ad for some kind of horror-film spoof or something.

Poor Nurie. Her upbringing relentlessly pushes her to become exactly like her hideous nutso mother.

And Jill clearly has enough jewelry already. All the more reason to send her a card and use the extra cash to send at least cards and maybe a little fun stuff to his other little sibs as well.

Edited February 10, 2019 by Churchhoney

galaxychaser · February 10, 2019

I wonder if Timothy was instructed by MAMA to find Nurie a HUBBY at school.

Portia · February 10, 2019

It really is odd he didn't send something small for the younger kids. Some candy and mini Valentine cards wouldn't have set him back much at all, and he could have mailed everything in one package.

ChiCricket · February 10, 2019

2 hours ago, ginger90 said:

rodriguesfamilyservingjesus

We are here in Florida and guess what? We got a package from our precious Timothy ALL the way in Washington State. 💖 He wanted to remember and treat Nurie and I for Valentines Day. 💖💖 Timothy, your thoughtfulness and honoring me (Mom) and your sweet sister for Valentines Day meant SO much! You are going to make such a KIND husband someday! Thank you from the depths of our hearts! 😊 💜 Mama & Nurie

Aww..too bad we didn't get a barf reaction icon.🤢 😂

Heathen · February 10, 2019

11 hours ago, McManda said:

How convenient Tim had the foresight to send the Valentine's gifts to Florida.

I can't with JillR's eyeliner. It's so heavy and waaaay too dark. It ages her so much.

So do the overplucked, almost tadpole eyebrows, which unfortunately she has taught Nuri.

Edited February 10, 2019 by Heathen

sleepysuzy · February 10, 2019

On a somewhat positive note, Nurie's hair looks more modern and her makeup is toned down somewhat.

Albanyguy · February 10, 2019

12 hours ago, Portia said:

It really is odd he didn't send something small for the younger kids. Some candy and mini Valentine cards wouldn't have set him back much at all, and he could have mailed everything in one package.

It's possible that poor Tim lives in fear of his mother's wrath and knows that only a gift for HER (and her Favorite-of-the-Moment, Nurie) would impress her. She wouldn't give a crap about gifts for the younger kids and it might actually make her jealous that all the attention wasn't focused on her.

It's also possible that Jill bought the jewelry herself and signed the cards with Tim's name. Anything to glorify herself and get a bit of attention. I've always thought that all those "I love and miss my blessed Mama" messages that Tim supposedly sends her sound like she wrote them herself.

Barb23 · February 10, 2019

12 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

Aww..too bad we didn't get a barf reaction icon.🤢 😂

Yes, we definitely need that one on this forum.

Churchhoney · February 10, 2019

1 hour ago, Albanyguy said:

It's possible that poor Tim lives in fear of his mother's wrath and knows that only a gift for HER (and her Favorite-of-the-Moment, Nurie) would impress her. She wouldn't give a crap about gifts for the younger kids and it might actually make her jealous that all the attention wasn't focused on her.

It's also possible that Jill bought the jewelry herself and signed the cards with Tim's name. Anything to glorify herself and get a bit of attention. I've always thought that all those "I love and miss my blessed Mama" messages that Tim supposedly sends her sound like she wrote them herself.

Yep, I completely agree. IF Tim sent the stuff, this is why....That's clear from all the other "gifts" she gets from kids who are fasting and while walking 10 miles home from somewhere stop to buy "mama" a giant bouquet of flowers or the like. .....

They're "gifts" the way it's a gift when your angry god demands you throw your first-born child into a volcano (or slay the kid with a knife on a mountaintop).

Edited February 10, 2019 by Churchhoney

Madtown · February 10, 2019

11 hours ago, mynextmistake said:

Well, yeah, but according to Jill Nurie is the only sister he’s dating.

Ummm, so hysterical and creepy at the same time..Gave me a good laugh.
I think I would be a little more than creeped out if my brother ever got me anything for Valentine's Day...

beckie · February 10, 2019

Maybe Timothy did send stuff to the others, but Jill only mentioned her stuff and Nuries because they are the MOST important. 🙂

Edited February 10, 2019 by beckie
because autocorrect is NOT my friend!

Catlyn · February 10, 2019

16 hours ago, Portia said:

It really is odd he didn't send something small for the younger kids. Some candy and mini Valentine cards wouldn't have set him back much at all, and he could have mailed everything in one package.

Right? Buy a bag of holiday chocolates, even from the Dollar Store and those Valentines made for kids to give to friends. His younger sibs would've loved it.

GeeGolly · February 10, 2019

No matter the history, Valentine's Day is recognized as a romantic holiday. Any boy over the age of 10 should not be sending Valentine cards and gifts to his sister and mom.

While I'm sure their relationships are normal in the platonic sense, it still sets off my creep-o-meter.

McManda · February 10, 2019

I don't know, I'm an adult and if my adult siblings wanted to buy me candy for Valentine's Day (we don't) I wouldn't object. One, because I know there's no romantic-type love feelings and two, because chocolate and Starburst jellybeans (the best jellybeans) are delicious.

I also plan on taking Valentine's cookies to work that day. But they're not heart shaped and I romantic-type-love none of my coworkers, I just like an excuse to bake and bring in things.

Scarlett45 · February 10, 2019

14 minutes ago, McManda said:

I don't know, I'm an adult and if my adult siblings wanted to buy me candy for Valentine's Day (we don't) I wouldn't object. One, because I know there's no romantic-type love feelings and two, because chocolate and Starburst jellybeans (the best jellybeans) are delicious.

I also plan on taking Valentine's cookies to work that day. But they're not heart shaped and I romantic-type-love none of my coworkers, I just like an excuse to bake and bring in things.

Yeah my Mom always gets me a Valentine’s card and versa. I send my great aunt flowers (she’s 84). It’s Jill that’s always twisting perfectly normal things (like a brother and sister hanging out) into something creepy.

heckkitty · February 10, 2019

17 hours ago, ChiCricket said:

Aww..too bad we didn't get a barf reaction icon.🤢 😂

Never mind that, I need a brain bleach icon.

latetotheparty · February 10, 2019

1 hour ago, McManda said:

I don't know, I'm an adult and if my adult siblings wanted to buy me candy for Valentine's Day (we don't) I wouldn't object. One, because I know there's no romantic-type love feelings and two, because chocolate and Starburst jellybeans (the best jellybeans) are delicious.

They are. Favorite Reds!

BitterApple · February 10, 2019

3 hours ago, Madtown said:

Ummm, so hysterical and creepy at the same time..Gave me a good laugh.
I think I would be a little more than creeped out if my brother ever got me anything for Valentine's Day...

Me too. Siblings giving each other cute cards and candy wouldn't bother me, but IMO, jewelry is a pretty intimate gift to give someone on Valentine's Day. It's a bit weird, and even weirder in the context of Fundies.

sondraK · February 11, 2019

If Tim ever gets married,I'm just wondering who's gong to come first..Jill and Nurie,or his wife? Something tells me it won't be his wife.Mama and sis will get the gifts,flowers and cards if money is tight

galaxychaser · February 11, 2019

If Jill is so desperate to marry Nuri off she should fatten her up a bit. She looks like a bag of bones with a bad wig. Clown make up doesn’t look good either.

toodles · February 11, 2019

I would not be happy if my cash-strapped college student son bought me jewelry. Save the money for books or tuition. Or food. To me, jewelry is a luxury item. A card from the dollar store would work for me.

Then again, I'm not show boat Jill.

Ijustwantsomechips · February 11, 2019

On 2/10/2019 at 1:50 PM, McManda said:

I don't know, I'm an adult and if my adult siblings wanted to buy me candy for Valentine's Day (we don't) I wouldn't object. One, because I know there's no romantic-type love feelings and two, because chocolate and Starburst jellybeans (the best jellybeans) are delicious.

I also plan on taking Valentine's cookies to work that day. But they're not heart shaped and I romantic-type-love none of my coworkers, I just like an excuse to bake and bring in things.

I heartily disagree...Jolly Rancher are the best jellybeans hands down!

If I had a brother, maybe getting something for Valentine’s Day wouldn’t be weird. As a single woman, I would appreciate if he thought enough of me to give me candy (gummy SweetTarts or something similar, but none of that chocolate crap) or a nice bouquet (other than red roses) to acknowledge those of us who get left out on that day. The key is not having a creepy relationship to begin with, not expecting or using it as a substitute for romantic love, and not broadcasting it as it’s not the norm.

I agree that I hope he sent the rest of his siblings some candy or cards...or a couple boxes of Hamburger Helper.

queenanne · February 11, 2019

My grandfather always sent me a valentine card with $5 in it, lol. Now that he’s gone I miss it.

RedheadZombie · February 12, 2019

On ‎1‎/‎26‎/‎2019 at 5:39 PM, Scarlett45 said:

Yes. My Sib Group is enraged about this story and we are following it.
But i do wonder why are these rapists SO STUPID as to not use a condom in a world where we have dna tests. Do they WANT to get caught after she gives birth?!!

Since he stuck around and voluntarily gave a DNA sample, he seemed to think he might not be the father. I hate to think that there was more than one male predator in that facility.

Lunera · February 13, 2019

Josie is pregnant.

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/pregnant-josie-bates-reveals-she-and-kelton-balka-are-expecting/

PikaScrewChu · February 13, 2019

Honeymoon baby?

Lunera · February 13, 2019

4 minutes ago, PikaScrewChu said:

Honeymoon baby?

Yup, she is due in July. Her wedding was on October 5th.

PikaScrewChu · February 13, 2019

4 minutes ago, Lunera said:

Yup, she is due in July. Her wedding was on October 5th.

She won't even be 20 by the time she gives birth. 😕 Only Kendra Duggar will have delivered her first child earlier out of everyone in the Duggar/Bates clans so far.

Press F to pay respects for Josie's "career" ending.

Edited February 13, 2019 by PikaScrewChu

BitterApple · February 13, 2019

I guess it isn't totally unexpected, but damn, Josie. You just got your freedom and independence and now you're being sucked right back into the Fundie borg.

I'm not saying there's anything's wrong with having kids, but they're a lot of work and sacrifice. It's almost like these couples are afraid their social circle will think they have a dysfunctional marriage if they're not pregnant a week after their honeymoon.

graefin · February 13, 2019

I was waiting for it. In their most recent Instagram posts, she totally looks pregnant. I think she might even be wearing a maternity top in one.

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