S16.E06: No Head Wife

[Pallas]

Reindeer games. Christine questions why a nanny is allowed around Robyn's kids when her family is not, so Kody produces a long list of COVID rules that the nanny follows. Janelle thinks some of it is ridiculous.

[xwordfanatik]

No head wife?  Who do they think they're fooling with that nonsense?  No one with a brain, that's for sure!

[Rabbit Hutch]

BHAHAHAHAHAHA!

OTOH, this eppie may turn out to be the TV Christmas gift of our dreams, guys and gals. 🎁 🤪🎄

[LilyD]

We’re a few days behind over here so could someone pleazzzze spill the beans about nanny-dear after the episode?

[Pickleinthemiddle]

7 hours ago, Pallas said:

Reindeer games. Christine questions why a nanny is allowed around Robyn's kids when her family is not, so Kody produces a long list of COVID rules that the nanny follows. Janelle thinks some of it is ridiculous.

I see nothing wrong with taking precautions, but no reason they shouldn't have been getting together at least twice a month at the property, or even at Robyn's or Meri's house in the patio area.  Masks on and 6 feet away from each other.  No I wouldn't be letting strangers come into my house.  You really don't know what they do when not there.  I can tell you all day long, I don't ever leave my house, but unless you are camped outside, how would you know?

 

7 hours ago, xwordfanatik said:

No head wife?  Who do they think they're fooling with that nonsense?  No one with a brain, that's for sure!

 Or two eyes and ears.  

[Kid]

I have one thing to say about Kody - what a prick!! 

[Roslyn]

My take on the list of rules...

My husband and I were piecing together the timeline of the beginning of the whole year that was 2020.  Early on the guidelines of cleaning groceries, removing shoes, showering etc was at the very beginning. Masks and social distancing as well as the common hand washing and sanitizer etc then became the norm.

Kody's list read like a very conservative rulebook from the VERY beginning of guidelines. So supposedly Robyn was never deviating from those rules even after it was known by scientists that surface contamination was not the (main) issue. I have an inkling that Kody/Robyn didn't want to ever relax the rules because then it would give the opening of "but...but...you said you did a,b,c to x,y,z and NOW you are saying that you only do x,y,z..." Which is the argument that an obstinate cranky teenager would give. Because...Kody and Robyn can not think outside of the box with a clear and researched (backed up by government guidelines) argument. So Kody sticks to these over the top guidelines and will not deviate from them.

Also...I call bullshit and more bullshit on so much finger pointing. TESTS have never ever been brought up in any of these arguments.  By July/August my husband was having the rapid tests just to be able to travel and to get onto job sites, when some potential exposures happened he was instantly sent for a test and then didn't leave his hotel or home until the results were back. This timeline is after Ysabels surgery so it was in the October 2020 time. W H Y isn't a test good enough? It is making it look like nothing but obeying will make Kody/Robyn happy.  He wants them to sit at home and do nothing, go nowhere and he will kinda, maybe, eventually go over for dinner.  But he never wants to say when...so the only thing they can do is obey. Period.

[WhatAmIWatching]

1 hour ago, Roslyn said:

He wants them to sit at home and do nothing, go nowhere and he will kinda, maybe, eventually go over for dinner.  But he never wants to say when...so the only thing they can do is obey. Period.

Yes. Exactly. He has complained a lot that he's not the head of the family. He used to do it in a joking way, but now he does it in the pissy, outraged, angry way. He wants them all just sittin' here, waiting for him to show up, and to praise and fawn over him when (or if) he does. No complaints, no asking for things, just kissing his feet for deigning to grace them with his presence. 

[Meowwww]

I really felt for Meri.  When Robyn was backtracking and changing the story 25x about Meri seeing her kids, you could tell it hurt Meri because she knew it was a bunch of BS. 
And Kody, you can fuck all the way off with your “New Jersey was a vacation “.  His ugly angry face when they had their meeting was so punchable.  
Can’t wait for the next Episode from the preview!   Go Janelle!!!

Edited December 26, 2021 by Meowwww

[Xena]

Did Prince Jackwagon just use Truley's kidney emergency as one of the reasons for his covid rules???   You mean the kidney failure scare that you didn't notice in real time because you were too busy fucking around with your grill?  I don't have enough middle fingers for this guy.

On a GOOD note - gone are the days of fast-forwarding thru this show because it was so monumentally boring.  This weeks episode was, and I say this without a hint of sarcasm - rivieting.  The gloves are freaking OFF and I am here for it.  

p.s. Meri - I am not sure who told you that pleather was a good look for you.  Or for anyone.  I have seen Billie Jean pleather K-Mart blue light special jackets that were less shiney, less smooth, and better designed than whatever you are wearing.  You also still appear to be dipping in to the wine.  Nothing wrong with that.  Just save some for AFTER the interview.

[Tuxcat]

Well I think they need the communication rules again because this isn't working. Or maybe it's a fundamental misunderstanding of science? By October 2020 we knew that rigid surface contamination was no longer necessary. However the rest of his "rules" actually do not seem overly restrictive. The all moan and groan about not seeing each other - but they just gathered for a "gender" reveal. So the sticking point is why can't they visit inside. Unbelievably they are all wrong here. All of them.

Janelle and Christine still seemed to think it was perfectly acceptable to travel and mix and mingle with people who are also all active in the community themselves and possibly not taking any type of masking or distancing measures. Doing that obviously increases the risk to not only spread the virus to other family members but places the public at greater risk. And so I understand some of the resentment here toward them - when many of us were still limiting our interactions (I remember my exhausted healthcare colleagues saying they felt like they were living in parallel worlds).  

Kody and Robyn however are also wrong. They clearly are controlling things too tightly. Exhibit A -  they didn't allow Meri over. And they also could have absolutely suggested MORE outside gatherings. Or how about the use of testing. We were all using testing in October 2020 as a way to add in an extra layer of protection. Kody's rules did NOT spell out what Janelle and Christine needed to do. They were not even close to a plan for how to visit safely indoors. The sticking point is not (and should not have been) about washing groceries for gods sake -- the only issue really is the travel - and the amount of visiting and mingling that was going on. That is simple enough  - test, quarantine, test, visit. Done. Not that hard.

I don't think Kody is being an ass for his COVID concern. Some of my extended family gathered for thanksgiving 2020 and two uncles died as a result. The post holiday surge of 2020 was dramatic and devastating. I do think he's being an ass for not even attempting to understand what the roots of the problem are -- and not even trying to reach compromises. He just keeps ranting about "follow these rules or else you don't get my < than 24 hour inside visit." The real issues here arent at all about COVID. They are about the fact that he only has a real, connected,  intimate relationship with Robyn. And they all know it.

 

Edited December 26, 2021 by Tuxcat

[SabineElisabeth]

"Robyn and Kody Revealed" would be a much more apt title for this episode.  First, let me just get this out of the way.  NOW you wish you'd gone with Ysabel for her surgery?  NOW you are afraid she's going to resent you for the rest of her life?  Well, isn't that convenient.  Now that it's over, Kody wants to be thought of as the perfect parent . . .  in hindsight?  We all know Kody and Robyn are fond of revising history, but FUCK YOU, KODY.  You are SUCH. AN. ASSHOLE.

Now, on to the covid family meeting and let me see if I can get this straight.  Kody passes out a list of rules, and decrees that whosoever shall follow these edicts shall be allowed to interact with the Almighty Kody and Queen Robyn + their spawn.  Meri then says she's been following the rules but has still not been "allowed" to interact with Robyn, Solomon, or Ari.  (The looks on Christine and Janelle's face as they realize Meri has just 100% outed Robyn and Kody as fake-ity fake liars who lie.  Priceless).  Kody doesn't give a shit, but Robyn comes back with crocodile tears a'flowin' to try and save face with Meri.  She then proceeds to explain that they couldn't allow Meri the great privilege of spending time with them because it would be a "break in protocol" and the other wives would get upset.  HUH?  If the "protocol" is follow these rules and you can interact with the Almighty Ones, how is it then a break of protocol for the rule followers to interact??  Robyn, dear, you are FULL OF SHIT.  And Meri knows it.  It was written all over her face.  But she's too worn down to even challenge your lies this time.

Robyn and Kody barely have two brain cells to rub together between them and really are stupid if they think they're fooling anyone.  The only way they've been able to run their little con this long is because the other wives are not the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree either.  (Very telling that the brightest of the children run far, far away and never look back).

And while of course Christine's dubious "What does the nanny do?" turned out to be nothing more than her posing the question to the camera, I'm praying the teaser for next episode showing Janelle telling Kody, "Fuck you," as she turns on her heel and walks off went down exactly as the clip makes it appear it did.  Because, "Fuck you, Kody. And fuck you, Robyn."  You're both awful human beings who are impervious to the fact some of your family members are seriously suffering.  Suffering not just that you're too selfish to alleviate, but suffering you have largely caused.  You both SUCK.  REALLY REALLY SUCK.  BAD.

Edited December 27, 2021 by SabineElisabeth

[WhatAmIWatching]

Does anyone know off-hand if Janelle and Christine really were actually doing a lot of covid traveling? Without taking any precautions?

 I know C went to NJ for Ysabel's surgery, but they had to quarantine, and I bet they had to get tested once there. (I had an unavoidable procedure done Jan of 2021, and had to test and quarantine beforehand) Meri was probably back and forth to the B&B, and Janelle, I imagine, went to Maddie's, but I don't know if they were truly gallivanting all willy-nilly like Kody keeps saying. He acts like they're going around licking doorknobs at grocery stores and covid wards!

  They could have added regular testing, but If they were masking, distancing and sanitizing at fueling and food/potty stops, then they were as safe as they could be, except for staying home. (Which I have done as much as humanly possible, solely because I'm a major germophobe and even thinking about planning for traveling anywhere makes me exhausted 😆)

[Tuxcat]

27 minutes ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

Does anyone know off-hand if Janelle and Christine really were actually doing a lot of covid traveling? Without taking any precautions?

 I know C went to NJ for Ysabel's surgery, but they had to quarantine, and I bet they had to get tested once there. (I had an unavoidable procedure done Jan of 2021, and had to test and quarantine beforehand) Meri was probably back and forth to the B&B, and Janelle, I imagine, went to Maddie's, but I don't know if they were truly gallivanting all willy-nilly like Kody keeps saying. He acts like they're going around licking doorknobs at grocery stores and covid wards!

  They could have added regular testing, but If they were masking, distancing and sanitizing at fueling and food/potty stops, then they were as safe as they could be, except for staying home. (Which I have done as much as humanly possible, solely because I'm a major germophobe and even thinking about planning for traveling anywhere makes me exhausted 😆)

Janelle went to NC some but I think she was probably taking precautions before and after. I think Kody's issue with her is that she lives with Gabe and Garrison who aren't taking those same precautions on a daily basis. Christine - even early in the pandemic I believe was visiting with Mitch, Aspen, Paedon, Mykelti and Tony regularly unmasked... who were all out in the community themselves. She did an interview after last season confirming her frequent trips to visit. In that interview she said they did a lot of testing "once it became available" - but that was when the reporter questioned her about the risks. I think she took precautions but her level of exposure was definitely higher on a regular basis.  Overall this show is hard to follow. The timelines are messed up and everyone's "retelling" is skewed. It seems as if they want us to believe they NEVER talked without the cameras there - which we know is probably not the case for some of them. And if it is this case, then they aren't a family so they should stop calling themselves one.

Edited December 26, 2021 by Tuxcat

[WhatAmIWatching]

1 minute ago, Tuxcat said:

Janelle went to NC some but I think she was probably taking precautions before and after. I think Kody's issue with her is that she lives with Gabe and Garrison who aren't taking those same precautions on a daily basis. Christine - even early in the pandemic I believe was visiting with Mitch, Aspen, Paedon, Mykelti and Tony regularly unmasked... who were all out in the community themselves. She did an interview after last season confirming her frequent trips to visit. In that interview she said they did a lot of testing "once it became available" - but that was when the reporter questioned her about the risks. I think she took precautions but her level of exposure was definitely higher on a regular basis.  Overall this show is hard to follow. The timelines are messed up and everyone's "retelling" is skewed. It seems as if they want us to believe they NEVER talked without the cameras there - which we know is not the case. 

Ah, thank you! So yes, then Christine was indeed leaving herself open to exposure, and often. She needs to shut it if she wasn't willing to compromise, and at least meet the CDC guidelines.

 If I were Janelle, I would have made both boys stay in the MIL suite, and mask etc if they needed something from the main living areas. I don't know why this family is so mask averse. I still make anyone who has to step foot inside my home put one on.

That said, Kody is still a giant, rude butthole 😂 Even I wasn't as anal (lol) over the grocery bags and shoes, clothes, everything, by the time they filmed this family meeting. This family drives me crazy.

[Kbo]

This episode did NOT disappoint.  First off, I could not believe my ears when Kody said if Ysabel would hurry up and get well that would make him feel a lot better.  Yeah Kody, because it's all about YOU and YOUR feelings, not your daughter who's gone through excruciating pain without the support of a parent she desperately wanted to be there.  Just get better Ysabel, so daddy can stop feeling guilty for being a worthless excuse for a parent.

Watching Robyn try to spin that COVID meeting was fascinating.  Of course she had nothing to do with any of this, she's just following Kody's rules.  He would never, ever be led by a wife.  Just typing that makes my eyes roll to the back of my head so far I can read the tag on my shirt.  Guess she figured since she has no plausible defense she better go on the offense?  Not that anybody bought that performance, wives or audience included.  

I loved how Kody tried to say that pre-COVID he divided his time equally between Robyn, Christine and Janelle, and then Christine said he would come over at 5 for dinner and be gone before the girls were up in the morning.  I know who I believe!  

I do think Christine and Janelle were being more casual about travel and being with other people than perhaps was wise at that point in the pandemic.  However, as others have pointed out there were plenty of compromises that could have been made-Robyn just made sure Kody wouldn't consider them.  I wanted to slap her so hard when she said Sol and Ari couldn't be without Kody for 2 weeks--but it was okie dokie for Ysabel to go off for major surgery for 6 weeks.  Every time I think I can't despise Kody and Robyn any more, they find a way to top themselves.  They're both showing who they are, and it's so ugly.  

Can't wait for next week when Janelle tells Kody to F-off!  Go, Janelle!

 

[65mickey]

So Christine is not asking what does the nanny do as in why does Robyn have a nanny but what does the nanny do about adhering to the Covid rules? Damn I was hoping that she would have said why does Robyn have a nanny in the first place? She has 3 teenaged children living with her,  her youngest children are not toddlers and she does not work.   Why in God's name does she need a nanny??? I am completely mystified as to why the other so called wives put up with this shit. 

[toodywoody]

They all should be asking why she needs a nanny when Christine never needed one and was raising both her and Janelle's kids. Robyn only has two not even little ones to look after, why the hell does she need a nanny when she doesn't work. Why is she incapable of taking care of two of her own kids. 

[Elizzikra]

Just now watching and my first observation - Kody didn't get to see Ysabel and Christine until a week after they got home? What??? If my kid had major surgery and for some reason I couldn't be there, I'd have been waiting the first minutes they got home, just to see with my own eyes that they were home safe and sound. 

Also Kody wants Covid to be done so that he can Christine can get back to normal? What??? Christine and Ysabel are supposed to just forget all of Kody's asshattedness once Covid is over?

He is a bastard-coated bastard, covered in bastard sauce, with a side of bastard. 

[Castina]

Would have been nice for TLC to have let us see all the rules.  Because there were two pages of rules and when they had the TH of Janelle reading the rules from her phone that wasn't the full list AND she repeated at least the rule about wiping down mail with wipes.  I paused the episode on youtube and you can see the top 1/3 of one page.  In between the rules about "changing clothes after shops, other homes or businesses" and "no eating at sit down restaurants, only take out" was "only local family allowed in home unless abiding in these rules".   The rules on this portion of the page are the rules Janelle is reading in the talking head in the exact order but you can tell they edited it to skip the bolded rule.  

So a lot of comments I have read are about the rules being reasonable considering the time frame but I suspect that aside from the obvious stupid rule about wiping down the mail (because that seems ridiculous in any time frame) there were more rules like the bolded on those two full pages of rules that were more difficult for Janelle and Christine because they have children who don't live locally so I think the choice for them was a lot more difficult than Kody tries to make it (about them being too lazy to do a few chores). 

To me it's obvious from the season so far these were Robyn's conditions.  That she didn't trust them and feared Janelle and Christine would be exposing them to covid with their trips to see their other kids out of state.  And fair enough, we all dealt with covid our own ways.  But she cut off Meri as well because she was firm in her stance and didn't want to weaken the "protocol" and have to deal with the wrath of the other two wives.  So they can sit there and tell the others and the viewers that these are Kody's rules from his doctor BUT we already saw Robyn exposed in the bonfire episode.   And lol at telling Meri this episode that "yay, Kody said we can play together now" when we saw in the bonfire episode ( when Robyn wasn't keen on having the two younger kids there ) Kody suggest Meri be in charge of one of the two because she has been good isolating.  Robyn shot that down and Meri had to sit alone.  

[Chris Knight]

1 hour ago, toodywoody said:

They all should be asking why she needs a nanny when Christine never needed one and was raising both her and Janelle's kids. Robyn only has two not even little ones to look after, why the hell does she need a nanny when she doesn't work. Why is she incapable of taking care of two of her own kids. 

100% this. I absolutely hate Kody and Robyn. I didn't even have to type that last sentence  - my phone predicted my words.

[VioletNevermind]

This show is becoming more of a sitcom with each passing week.  You can practically hear the laugh track.  “I don’t have a head wife in this family!”  The fuck you don’t, Kody.  Robyn is all but preening in her chair during the group discussion about the master’s rules.  Most of the rules read like they were written in the third week of March 2020.  Covid was a dream scenario for Kody.  He knew that Robyn would do whatever Daddy demanded, while the other wives would want to make adjustments (no comment either way on their choices).  And why the hell do they have a nanny?!  Robyn is home all day!  Is she curled up on the couch, racking up more Victoria’s Secret charges?  If I were the other wives, I would be incensed.  What a crafty bitch she is.

I’m so glad that Christine was finally able to bail out of this ship of fools.  He basically told her that it was his way or the highway and she packed her bags and hit the road.  

[JeanJean]

I'm pretty sure by the 7th month it had been determined that the virus is airborne, and that people didn't need to be wiping down food and packages.

I've only watched this a few weeks, but my weekly takeaway is Kody is a douche. 

[suev3333]

Dang ...5 people in a marriage who look so unhappy it's unbelievable.   A husband with a perpetual snarl,  sneer, mean af look on his face 24/7.   Sign me up for plural marriage!  I'm game!   Who wouldn't want that!?  🤭

It's getting painful to watch this, but of course, I'm not going anywhere.   And I can't wait for Janelle to say "fuk you"  to Kodouche next week, as she said in the previews.

And I'm all for covid safety, but some of this stuff is stupid... wiping down mail and groceries?  Really?  To each his own I guess.  

[Ms.Lulu]

I was surprised that they moved off the conversation on whether the nanny is following the rules very quickly.  I don't know why the sister wives would believe that the nanny and her husband were following all the rules, although they may have been telling Kody and Robyn that.

And it is just curious that all of the wives said it was 6+ months before Kody shared the rules.  So he spent 6 months away from Christine and Janelle.  And Gabe says in the preview that it was 8 months since he spent time with his father.  You'd think Kody would be sharing the rules to spend time with his kids.

Also love that Kody realized 1) He made a mistake not going with Ysabel to her surgery 2) That she may resent him for that later in life.

Fitting that Kody is the only one that got covid--clearly there was a breakdown in his protocols.

 

Edited December 27, 2021 by Ms.Lulu

[Adeejay]

I think the way Robyn went after Meri for suggesting she wrote the rules, confirms that she did, because she seemed guilty.  Kody equated his rules to the scriptures.  I am surprised he didn’t equate them to the ten commandments. The ego on this guy.  Glad Janelle and Christine chose their kids over him.

“I am glad you have your kids and Kody.”  Thanks to you, Meri. 

[jacksgirl]

Hey Kody - My young adult son got covid fall 2020. Know what we did? Drove daily to see him, delivered groceries to his porch and talked with him through a window. We made it work because family is important. You're a sad, sorry excuse for a father and a man. You go Christine, hope Jenelle follows.

 

Edited December 27, 2021 by jacksgirl

[gabyzee]

I can’t believe I’m even saying this, but I have to side with Kody and Robyn on this one.

A lot of us made sacrifices during 2020, and I can assure you NOBODY in my family were jetting all over the country to visit relatives who didn’t follow any COVID protocols. And that’s what both Christine and Janelle were doing the entire year. It seemed to me that unless it was the hospital-required lockdown before Ysabel’s surgery, they were barely following any of the CDC guidelines – and neither were their kids – and yet they’re the first ones whining when things can’t just be like they normally are. Nope, I had zero patience for people like that in 2020, and I still have zero patience for people like that going into 2022. And you better believe I wouldn’t have invited ANY of them into my home.

[Sasha888]

2 hours ago, 65mickey said:

 her youngest children are not toddlers and she does not work. 

Hey now, a blow job is a job!

Robyn is an essential worker, doing jobs that no other woman in America wants to do, of course she needs a nanny. Girl should get hazard pay besides!

(okay I'll stop) 🤣

 

[deirdra]

12 minutes ago, Adeejay said:

I think the way Robyn went after Meri for suggesting she wrote the rules, confirms that she did, because she seemed guilty. 

Before Meri told her joke, Kootie said "these are the rules she follows at home", pointing the stack of rules at Robyn.  Robyn also said she was worried that the other two wives would get mad if Meri was allowed to visit. So that is why Meri was never invited for 6 months. And the BS worry about changing the protocol when they hadn't shown anyone the rules in 6 mos.

[Elizzikra]

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And it is just curious that all of the wives said it was 6+ months before Kody shared the rules.  So he spent 6 months away from Christine and Janelle.  And Gabe says in the preview that it was 8 months since he spent time with his father.  You'd think Kody would be sharing the rules to spend time with his kids.

I would like for Kody to have explained that a little more. If these rules were really from the doctor, the doctor likely emailed them to him or had them posted on his website. So it's not like Kody had to find time in his busy schedule to sit down and transcribe the rules before he could distribute them to all the wives.

Also, if it genuinely wasn't safe for them all to be together inside, they could have gotten together outside, masked - or had regular Zoom family meetings. People got really creative about staying connected during Covid. No reason the Browns couldn't as well.

I know that Meri is not well-liked but I do think that the entire family abandoning her during Covid was cruel. She is one person who doesn't work outside her home. Kody, as her spiritual husband and the supposed head of the family, should have made sure that Meri had contact with someone throughout the pandemic so that she wasn't completely isolated and alone. If he had the slightest bit of human kindness in him, he would have had her "in the rotation" even if they are no longer romantic - just so she had contact with another human being. Though given the choice of time with Kody or a lifetime of solitude, I'd go with the latter every time. If these rules really existed the entire time and Meri followed them, there is no reason that she couldn't visit at least Robyn. And if Meri were there and she loves the little kids like she claims, she could have done whatever childcare the nanny was doing, saving the Browns some much needed money. Also, I want to root for Christine but she bothered me conflating "family" with "household." Familial love doesn't prevent you from getting Covid. The wives have four separate households and were all having varying degrees of contact with the outside world at different points during the pandemic. I think that Christine did take unnecessary risks visiting Aspyn and Mitch and Mykelti and Tony. The only travel I thought she needed to do was Ysabel's surgery and quarantining for two weeks after they got back would have resolved any concerns from that trip. 

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And that’s what both Christine and Janelle were doing the entire year. It seemed to me that unless it was the hospital-required lockdown before Ysabel’s surgery, they were barely following any of the CDC guidelines – and neither were their kids – and yet they’re the first ones whining when things can’t just be like they normally are. 

I don't mind Kody requiring that people limit contact with persons outside their home; that they visit only if they mask and social distance and that they quarantine for two weeks after trips. That is fine and reasonable.

I don't mind Gabe and Garrison being unable to quarantine because they have jobs and are in school and can't just quit that.

I don't mind Kody saying that he wouldn't visit because Gabe and Garrison cannot follow his rules about limiting contact with other people.

I mind Kody acting like a brat because his wife won't either kick her sons out or somehow force her sons to quit work and school so that they might get 1/4 of their father's attention as his schedule permits. 

I mind Kody suggesting that Janelle's desire to support her barely-into-adulthood-yet-already-more-mature-than-their-father sons is somehow inappropriate and disrespectful to their marriage. 

I mind Kody's thinly veiled accusation that Janelle is lazy and disloyal and that is why she won't follow the rules so she may be blessed with more family time with him.

But mostly I mind that Christine and Janelle had their homes set up such that their kids could have some semblance of a normal life, understanding that they got it at the expense of being able to see their father. The kids all felt that the very small amount of time that Kody graces them with wasn't worth all they would have to give up. And Kody is pissed about that. I mind that a lot. Kody - your kids weighed your very limited role in their lives against all the other aspects of their life that are more important and more prevalent - and "limited time with Dad" lost. Get over it.

[TeeMo]

Agree or disagree with the rules, the big revelation here was that Kody and Robyn had this list of rules that they were operating under that they never bothered to share with anyone else until 6 months into everyone being this miserable. Kody limiting his own freedom on someone else’s advice (his doctor?) seems completely off brand for him which just confirms my feeling that Kody and Robyn used COVID as a way to isolate themselves from everyone else under the guise of safety. It was a perfect scenario for them to get what they have both wanted for a while now - a monogamous relationship. 
 

Unfortunately Kody’s ego still craves the attention that comes from having multiple wives so he can’t fully cut himself off from the other three (except pathetic Meri) so he isolates himself, prioritizes his relationship with Robyn and then acts outraged that Christine and Janelle no longer desire him enough to alter their day to day lives for the chance that he’ll spend a few hours a week with them. What a mess.

[RedDelicious]

Literally no one was wiping down mail and groceries by the time summer 2020 rolled around. And if they were that was just plain ignorant. Not to mention wasteful. The CDC updated the guidelines regarding surfaces in May ‘20. 

[DanaMB]

27 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

I was surprised that they moved off the conversation on whether the nanny is following the rules very quickly.  I don't know why the sister wives would believe that the nanny and her husband were following all the rules, although they may have been telling Kody and Robyn that.

I was so waiting for one of the wives to challenge them on how they could be sure the nanny and her husband were following the rules. Ugh. I hate no one stands up to the assholes. 

[TeeMo]

Christine’s palpable, seething rage towards Kody sure is something to see. It’s what I’ve felt towards him from the first time his face graced my TV and it is gratifying to finally see one of these women have the guts to call him out for who he is. 

[RedDelicious]

That’s the thing that blows my mind. Why did no one counter Kody with the actual current guidelines from the Center for Disease control or even their state issued mandates? Why did they let Kody and Robyn steamroll everyone with that absurd list of rules? 

[absolutelyido]

29 minutes ago, Ms.Lulu said:

I was surprised that they moved off the conversation on whether the nanny is following the rules very quickly.  I don't know why the sister wives would believe that the nanny and her husband were following all the rules, although they may have been telling Kody and Robyn that.

And it is just curious that all of the wives said it was 6+ months before Kody shared the rules.  So he spent 6 months away from Christine and Janelle.  And Gabe says in the preview that it was 8 months since he spent time with his father.  You'd think Kody would be sharing the rules to spend time with his kids.

Also love that Kody realized 1) He made a mistake not going with Ysabel to her surgery 2) That she may resent him for that later in life.

Fitting that Kody is the only one that got covid--clearly there was a breakdown in his protocols.

 

From the very beginning, Kody could have said, "I will be out at Coyote Pass every Sunday, everyone who can make it come out and hang out with me". I have literally never entertained as many different groups of friends in my backyard as I did in 2020. It was easy to get take out from a local restaurant, and set up chairs 6 feet apart. It wasn't that hard. Kody made no effort to spend time with his older children. 

[deirdra]

4 minutes ago, RedDelicious said:

Literally no one was wiping down mail and groceries by the time summer 2020 rolled around. And if they were that was just plain ignorant. Not to mention wasteful. The CDC updated the guidelines regarding surfaces in May ‘20. 

It was as if Robyn added new rules to her list but never removed the old ones no longer required by September.  

[lindalouwho]

Ysabelle on vacation

 

[LotusFlower]

10 minutes ago, TeeMo said:

Agree or disagree with the rules, the big revelation here was that Kody and Robyn had this list of rules that they were operating under that they never bothered to share with anyone else until 6 months into everyone being this miserable. Kody limiting his own freedom on someone else’s advice (his doctor?) seems completely off brand for him which just confirms my feeling that Kody and Robyn used COVID as a way to isolate themselves from everyone else under the guise of safety. It was a perfect scenario for them to get what they have both wanted for a while now - a monogamous relationship. 

Exactly!!  COVID was a dream come true for Kody and Robyn, and the “rules” are nothing but a red herring that gives them an excuse to exclude everyone and be a monogamous couple and family.  

[TeeMo]

Just now, absolutelyido said:

From the very beginning, Kody could have said, "I will be out at Coyote Pass every Sunday, everyone who can make it come out and hang out with me". I have literally never entertained as many different groups of friends in my backyard as I did in 2020. It was easy to get take out from a local restaurant, and set up chairs 6 feet apart. It wasn't that hard. Kody made no effort to spend time with his older children. 

Same. My cousin had t-shirts made that were jokingly like the t-shirts a restaurant would have staff wear advertising her patio as the place to be summer 2020. I’ve been very cautious with COVID (I still don’t eat indoors at restaurants and am always masked in public) and I got together with my extended family on that cousin’s patio all summer long that summer. We’d order takeout or sometimes bring our own dinner. She’d provide individually packaged appetizer type things and desserts. It was actually a really nice way to stay connected and we probably saw each other more than summer than in summers past because no one was traveling anywhere else. 
 

The Browns could have rotated who would be the “host” for the weekly or biweekly gathering out at Coyote Pass and made it fun with different themes, etc. 

[deirdra]

3 minutes ago, LotusFlower said:

Exactly!!  COVID was a dream come true for Kody and Robyn, and the “rules” are nothing but a red herring that gives them an excuse to exclude everyone and be a monogamous couple and family.  

with a nanny

[Elizzikra]

I also would liked to have seen a more pointed discussion about Janelle's situation. So Janelle has... girls at home who are in high school and can quarantine. Then she has a boy in the national guard who has to work and another son who also has to work. So in this current configuration, there is on way anyone in Janelle's house can visit with Kody and Robyn because of the rules about social distancing.

I wanted Janelle to look straight at Kody and say "ok. The way the rules are written our family can't visit with you, unless I kick out my boys or they quit their jobs. So here is what I suggest. The boys will move to Meri's house and continue on with their lives. Meri can come live with Janelle or Christine - perhaps Christine so she can help support Ysabel's recovery. Or since Meri is willing to follow Kody's rules, Meri can visit or live at Robyn's house, doing the nannying chores and helping keep the family together. So then you would have Meri, Robyn and Kody regularly interaction and plenty of support being provided to the Brown children. With Garrison and Gabe in Meri's house, there shouldn't be any reason that Janelle one Christine can't follow the ridiculous rules and still be able to see the rest of the family.

[Sasha888]

I would love to ask Robyn this simple question:

If everyone is stating that this is 7 months into the pandemic and no one EVER provided this list of rules to anyone until this very meeting - then how can you possibly say, with a straight face, you couldn't "change protocol" and allow Meri to come over? According to what you're all saying, there WAS no protocol in place, not for the past 7 months. 

You can't "breach" a protocol that was never put in place, Robyn...come up with a better excuse of why you couldn't be bothered to see Meri, because this one has holes all over in it.

There was no protocol or rules shared with the group...not rules about Covid, anyway. Just the New World Order that due to a convenient excuse, Kody would now be spending all of his time at the Manse.

So, explain to me again, Kody and Robyn, how these other people all should have been following this list of rules that you never even gave them.

That is my first question, before I can even think about whether or not I agree with the rules...was everyone supposed to read their minds? For 7 months, we're all going to just sit here while the rest of you try to guess what our rules MIGHT be?

I mean....I have questions for the rest of them too though, like why the hell in SEVEN MONTHS did the rest of them not demand to know what the rules were?

I don't think these people really want to be a family.

[DanaMB]

Did anyone else catch that when Meri first “joked” about Robyn’s rules, Kody let out a laugh. Until Queen Bitch got all upset and he turned faster than anything. 
No head wife my ass.

Also, I wonder if the loans the two assholes have taken out are to partly pay for the nanny?

[WhatAmIWatching]

6 minutes ago, Elizzikra said:

I also would liked to have seen a more pointed discussion about Janelle's situation. So Janelle has... girls at home who are in high school and can quarantine. Then she has a boy in the national guard who has to work and another son who also has to work. So in this current configuration, there is on way anyone in Janelle's house can visit with Kody and Robyn because of the rules about social distancing.

I wanted Janelle to look straight at Kody and say "ok. The way the rules are written our family can't visit with you, unless I kick out my boys or they quit their jobs. So here is what I suggest. The boys will move to Meri's house and continue on with their lives. Meri can come live with Janelle or Christine - perhaps Christine so she can help support Ysabel's recovery. Or since Meri is willing to follow Kody's rules, Meri can visit or live at Robyn's house, doing the nannying chores and helping keep the family together. So then you would have Meri, Robyn and Kody regularly interaction and plenty of support being provided to the Brown children. With Garrison and Gabe in Meri's house, there shouldn't be any reason that Janelle one Christine can't follow the ridiculous rules and still be able to see the rest of the family.

Well, this is all just too smart and logical for the Brown family! It's a perfect solution and they were either too dumb, or didn't want to bother and just wanted to complain, or they really don't even talk to each other if they aren't filming.

Last season, they did the zoom meetings with the adults, so why couldn't they keep those up? Why couldn't Kody FaceTime the kids? Kody sat distanced in Meri's driveway to visit (with Robyn FT-ing in to interrupt) so why couldn't they keep doing that? What happened between last season, when covid was new, and when this episode was taped? 

[crimson23]

Robyn's rant over how Kody would never let a wife run him was laughable, Wasn't Robyn behind them moving to Flagstaff because her son got accepted at the University there?

Kody calling Ysabel surgery trip a Vacation.....really?

Like someone pointed out above.  We were careful with groceries only for a few weeks and then it was determined that was unnecessary

And how come no ONE person has mentioned whether or not anyone in the family is Vaccinated.  That part boggles my mind.  Are they vaxxed or not, because if they are, that really makes the rules even more ridiculous

[WhatAmIWatching]

24 minutes ago, crimson23 said:

Robyn's rant over how Kody would never let a wife run him was laughable, Wasn't Robyn behind them moving to Flagstaff because her son got accepted at the University there?

Kody calling Ysabel surgery trip a Vacation.....really?

Like someone pointed out above.  We were careful with groceries only for a few weeks and then it was determined that was unnecessary

And how come no ONE person has mentioned whether or not anyone in the family is Vaccinated.  That part boggles my mind.  Are they vaxxed or not, because if they are, that really makes the rules even more ridiculous

It's telling how everyone looks to Robyn when they have questions or need clarification! He allowed that by always having her play mediator between the other wives. He kept his hands clean, but lost his top dog spot!  The wives helped set up the dynamic, too, by always going to her for help bending Kody's ear. (I'm terrible and laughed when she said the kids were calling her to bitch at her about "her" rules.) 

Was this taped Sept or Oct 2020? I'm a little lost. Time has turned liquid in my mind. I know that even though my husband has more than three qualifiers for high risk, he couldn't get his first jab until iirc early March 2021. 
 

I would hope they're all vaxxed by now! (unless there's a valid reason they can't)

Edited December 27, 2021 by WhatAmIWatching

[crimson23]

7 minutes ago, WhatAmIWatching said:

It's telling how everyone looks to Robyn when they have questions or need clarification! He allowed that by always having her play mediator between the other wives. He kept his hands clean, but lost his top dog spot!  The wives helped set up the dynamic, too, by always going to her for help bending Kody's ear. (I'm terrible and laughed when she said the kids were calling her to bitch at her about "her" rules.) 

Exactly.  Kody has a short memory. He set all this into place by how he elevated Robyn. 

Another thing that killed me, when he had the audacity to bring up Truley and her kidney failure.  You know when Christine and Aspyn were taking care of her, and Kody was at Robyn's.  I recall him taking a nap then and he asked Robyn if he should go to the hospital.  

I am not sure when all this was filmed 

[WalrusGirl]

1 hour ago, crimson23 said:

And how come no ONE person has mentioned whether or not anyone in the family is Vaccinated.  That part boggles my mind.  Are they vaxxed or not, because if they are, that really makes the rules even more ridiculous

I'd love to know via their social media (though I don't follow them regularly, so would know from it being referenced here or in an entertainment article about them), but in terms of knowing on the show, this is still late October/early November 2020 - the very first vaccinations were in December 2020, a month or so from now, and none of the Browns would have been eligible until February 2021 at the *earliest*. (I don't know how Arizona tiered it, but military and those under 65/70/75 with various pre-existing conditions were stage 1b at best, not 1a, and quite possibly 1c or 2a depending on Arizona's specifics.)