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S12.E01: Back in the NY Groove


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Martin(?) the boxing giant, was hard to understand, but cracked me up when Tinsley was bragging about her hoops and his reaction was: "Aaaaaaannnnd nobody gives a fuck."

25 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

I am really hating the new chick.  First masturbation and now clit rubbing.  Jesus.

Also, Sonja?  Ramona's dog is 17, which is really old, and, humping isn't generally an  encouraged behavior in a dog.  Stop your dog from humping!

Sonja and her dog both seem to share a sex addiction. 

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I think Aviva was the first born and raised New Yorker, right? It may have even been her tag line.

Leah had a very good introduction. Impressed. Yes, Dorinda looked like the snake from Beetlejuice and is SUCH a bully to Tins.

Ah, Ramona’s Instastory dance! I love and kiss you, RHONY

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If I was Leah and on national tv I would not be admitting to getting so drunk that I lost my Chanel purse and passport. I think we are in for some very drunken antics from that one. Hey, she admitted to binging and getting out of control. Pretty soon Kiki will be cringing and wanting to be absent from school the days after her Mom has screen time/an episode. So much for their best friend/mother-daughter status. 

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6 minutes ago, Straycat80 said:

WTF is Dorinda and Tins fighting about? I don’t know about this show anymore.

I don’t know about this show either.  I thought last season was mediocre.  The season before that wasn’t great.  I think they should have a bigger cast, because six just don’t have enough going on.  Probably the last time it was great was the season that Jules was on, not because I love Jules, but just because it moved well.   I like several of the other franchises more, and have for awhile.

As far as Dorinda vs Tinsley—I know no one agrees with me, and Dorinda’s delivery was piss poor, but I don’t think she’s all wrong.  It was disgusting of Dorinda to say Tinsley got the shoes by laying on her back.  I mean, that’s new; what the fuck kind of thing is that to say?

Having said that, the way I have seen it in the past is that sometimes I doubt whether Tinsley is equipped to be on the show.  It’s called “The Real Housewives.”  To me, and I know most people don’t share this opinion, that means you have to be real.  Tinsley has already been adamant that she’s uncomfortable talking about money.  Why is she on a show where they flash the prices of every walk of their lives on the screen, such as a private plane to Columbia costing 17k?  I think that Dorinda would be willing to talk about how she got her money if she was asked.  She rarely talks about Ralph, her first husband, but she also said in season 10 that she would never go around wearing Ralph’s family crest, because they’re divorced and she’s not part of his family.  Dorinda has never been shy talking about Richard or John, and I think that’s why she’s enjoyed instant popularity on the show—because she’s being real, even when she’s awful.

On a related note, Tinsley is also very coy about Scott, and I can see why her friends would find that irritating.  Everyone on the show has to talk about their relationships.  Bethenny had to talk about Boston guy last year, which resulted in Ramona insulting her and talking about Boston guy vs Dennis, and I think there’s just a mutual understanding from everyone on the show but Tinsley that they are being paid huge sums of money to show their real lives, and that includes their significant other.

 Last season, Dorinda threw a really nice spa party, In an effort to bring Barbara and the other women together, and Tinsley grabbed all of the attention, because she was fresh off of a break-up with Scott and everyone had to comfort her.  My opinion only, but that’s when the Scott relationship began to become our collective business.  She could have declined to film that day and skipped the party if it was so private, but she didn’t.  Then she was back with Scott, then they were broken up, and then she swore at the reunion that she hadn’t seen him, except for the trip they went on together in the recent past.  It gets very annoying and self-defeating to feel like you’re not getting the truth on a reality show.  Tinsley, by all appearances, has a lot of money.  She can leave the show.  She chose to come back for a fourth season, so she should put up or shut up.  Again, not in response to the way Dorinda treated her, but in general.  

She doesn’t need to say where each and every one of her dresses came from, or what they cost, because that’s just demeaning, and Dorinda totally blew her load and lost her ever-loving mind this episode by spewing the awful venom she spewed (it’s like she couldn’t be mad at Luann, so she had to direct her drunken rage somewhere), but Tinsley should be honest about things like whether she lives in New York full-time (something about which she’s been evasive), and this is a problem the entire cast has had with her, not just Dorinda.  So, while Dorinda’s delivery sucked and she should shut her pie hole until she sobers up and offers Tinsley a giant apology, I see from where the frustration emanates.  

Tinsley is not doing anything illegal by being on-again, off-again with Scott.  Bethenny was on-again, off-again with Dennis and no one cared.  But what I strongly suspect is going on is that Scott is tugging at Tinsley on the one hand, telling her this can only work if she keeps their relationship private, and her cast mates are doing their literal jobs, as in what they are paid to do, by asking her about Scott, and she clams up and starts lying, and I don’t abide by lying.  It makes everyone involved look foolish.  She should just make a cogent decision and stick with it.  I would respect any decision she made.

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Moaner's whining already just about made me puke.  I mean, for those of us in her age range, the pickins are slim to none in the hot guy department. We could be considered the trophy wife of a 90 year old but how many of THEM are there??

My advice? Get used to it, Moaner.  It'll be fine.

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1 hour ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I don’t love a scene about Sonja missing her daughter going away to college, when we never met her daughter.  And this isn’t a Bethenny-Bryn situation where there was a court order that stopped Bryn from filming—Sonja’s daughter was 18 last year and could have chosen to film, but didn’t, so I don’t think Sonja gets to make her absence a storyline.  We’re not invested in that.  

I have a feeling Sonja's daughter probably cringes with embarrassment at the way her mother behaves on this show and chooses to distance herself from the train wreck.  Don't get me wrong, I'm sure she loves her mother, but chooses not to be a red faced mess dealing with her mother's antics on nationwide tv. 

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1 hour ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Ding dong, the witch is gone!  I just wish they would have given her the amount of screen time they gave Carole when she left—a goose egg.

I’m so relieved Luann’s probation is over—now she can drink in public again!

Luann and Sonja looked like shit leaving court and shooting their first scene of the season. I had the sneakers Luann was wearing when I was 12.  The judge should have kept her on probation another month for failing to wear socks into a courtroom.  Sonja looks like she aged five years in her talking head.  I agree with Dorinda that Luann isn’t an alcoholic, so I’m so glad this charade of sobriety is finally over.  

Tinsley looks like she’s in great shape, but not scary skinny at all.  I like her so much better without Scott, though she sounded kind of conceited picking apart the name “Bruce.”  What’s wrong with the name Bruce?  It’s not like his name is Snarf.

Leah, yeah that was a little graphic, but what a welcome departure from the Queen B and her on again off again romance with the married, not filed for divorce Dennis.  “Oh, your divorce is on hold?  My pussy’s on hold.”  Take that, “B.”  You set women back 100 years.  

At least Ramona is finally admitting she’s lonely.  I feel like she never really reacted to her divorce.  I also like to see Ramona filming with women who actually support her.  The groove of the show since its inception is that they’re always sort of laughing at her and laughing with her, and it’s nice to see that changed up.  I wish Sonja could find a group of women with whom she could act maturely and taken more seriously, but I dream.

I like that they’re bringing Leah in fully-fledged from the jump.  I don’t know if I like her yet, but she’s so much more interesting than the rest of the women.  It’s unusual for a Housewife from any franchise to have a well-groomed daughter in seventh grade.  They all tend to look so unruly at that age, and I love when a parent minds the appearance of their kid before putting them on TV, so that the kid isn’t embarrassed for life.  

I don’t love a scene about Sonja missing her daughter going away to college, when we never met her daughter.  And this isn’t a Bethenny-Bryn situation where there was a court order that stopped Bryn from filming—Sonja’s daughter was 18 last year and could have chosen to film, but didn’t, so I don’t think Sonja gets to make her absence a storyline.  We’re not invested in that.  

I believe Sonja's daughter was on once or twice the first season. I also believe her ex husband didn't want Quincy on TV so it is like Bethany/Brynn. She is old enough to make her own decisions and maybe her decision is to stay off the show.

 

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I enjoyed Leah.  She knows she's being paid to entertain.  When she asked Tinsley why she's letting Dorinda talk to her like, it made me realize that Tinsley does put up with a lot more of their insanity than she dishes out.  

I can see Dorinda's point about Tinsley being secretive but I'd lean more towards thinking it has less to do with wanting to know Tinsley on a deeper level and more about how they're all putting their lives "out there" for public scrutiny, and perhaps Tinsley is perceived as getting away with something if she's doing the same thing.  Didn't they all turn against OC's Gretchen for trying to keep her personal life out of the camera's eye?

 

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It was nice to see NYC at a brighter, happier time.

I found Ramona’s tearful confession hilarious, as there were 2 men right behind them not batting an eye at the spectacle.

Lean tries way too hard.  The only thing I like about her is her daughter’s nickname 😉

Dorinda looks beautiful but continues to be ugly on the inside.  Who cares how Tinsley paid for her shoes, but didn’t she tell them at the reunion?  Good on Tins for not throwing her drink in Dorinda’s face.

One thing I do dislike about Tinsley is the on-and-off tearful relationship with Scott.  It’s been her storyline since her first season, and it’s boring.

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31 minutes ago, SweetieDarling said:

Did any of you watch Ladies of London? Wasn't the British guy that did Dorinda's makeup for the party Caroline Stanbury's friend/makeup artist?

Yes, same guy, it’s Luke Henderson.  He was on RHONY last year in a scene or two with Dorinda.  
 

Does anyone think it’s weird that they were discussing that Bethenny wasn’t there anymore?  Usually, on these shows, when someone isn’t back the next season, it is not talked about out in the open.  Interesting.  

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Yikes!  I should have worn my ear plugs.  Too loud and too much fighting the first episode.  Guess they gave Tins more air time.  Where’s Scott?  Just started and Dorinda is at it again with Tinsley.  She feels rejected because Tins isn’t spilling her life with her?  Too bad.  Mind your business.  Same scene at the bar with all the old guys.  I’m not crazy with the new girl.  I guess getting arrested also was a welcome start with the rest of them.  I didn’t care for her cursing and masturbation remark so soon or at all.  Who cares.  Not too much nips and tucks that were noticeable.  Good surgeons.  Hope next week is quieter.  Dorinda has to zip it a little or drink less.  It’s very unbecoming.

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32 minutes ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I don’t know about this show either.  I thought last season was mediocre.  The season before that wasn’t great.  I think they should have a bigger cast, because six just don’t have enough going on.  Probably the last time it was great was the season that Jules was on, not because I love Jules, but just because it moved well.   I like several of the other franchises more, and have for awhile.

As far as Dorinda vs Tinsley—I know no one agrees with me, and Dorinda’s delivery was piss poor, but I don’t think she’s all wrong.  It was disgusting of Dorinda to say Tinsley got the shoes by laying on her back.  I mean, that’s new; what the fuck kind of thing is that to say?

Having said that, the way I have seen it in the past is that sometimes I doubt whether Tinsley is equipped to be on the show.  It’s called “The Real Housewives.”  To me, and I know most people don’t share this opinion, that means you have to be real.  Tinsley has already been adamant that she’s uncomfortable talking about money.  Why is she on a show where they flash the prices of every walk of their lives on the screen, such as a private plane to Columbia costing 17k?  I think that Dorinda would be willing to talk about how she got her money if she was asked.  She rarely talks about Ralph, her first husband, but she also said in season 10 that she would never go around wearing Ralph’s family crest, because they’re divorced and she’s not part of his family.  Dorinda has never been shy talking about Richard or John, and I think that’s why she’s enjoyed instant popularity on the show—because she’s being real, even when she’s awful.

On a related note, Tinsley is also very coy about Scott, and I can see why her friends would find that irritating.  Everyone on the show has to talk about their relationships.  Bethenny had to talk about Boston guy last year, which resulted in Ramona insulting her and talking about Boston guy vs Dennis, and I think there’s just a mutual understanding from everyone on the show but Tinsley that they are being paid huge sums of money to show their real lives, and that includes their significant other.

 Last season, Dorinda threw a really nice spa party, In an effort to bring Barbara and the other women together, and Tinsley grabbed all of the attention, because she was fresh off of a break-up with Scott and everyone had to comfort her.  My opinion only, but that’s when the Scott relationship began to become our collective business.  She could have declined to film that day and skipped the party if it was so private, but she didn’t.  Then she was back with Scott, then they were broken up, and then she swore at the reunion that she hadn’t seen him, except for the trip they went on together in the recent past.  It gets very annoying and self-defeating to feel like you’re not getting the truth on a reality show.  Tinsley, by all appearances, has a lot of money.  She can leave the show.  She chose to come back for a fourth season, so she should put up or shut up.  Again, not in response to the way Dorinda treated her, but in general.  

She doesn’t need to say where each and every one of her dresses came from, or what they cost, because that’s just demeaning, and Dorinda totally blew her load and lost her ever-loving mind this episode by spewing the awful venom she spewed (it’s like she couldn’t be mad at Luann, so she had to direct her drunken rage somewhere), but Tinsley should be honest about things like whether she lives in New York full-time (something about which she’s been evasive), and this is a problem the entire cast has had with her, not just Dorinda.  So, while Dorinda’s delivery sucked and she should shut her pie hole until she sobers up and offers Tinsley a giant apology, I see from where the frustration emanates.  

Tinsley is not doing anything illegal by being on-again, off-again with Scott.  Bethenny was on-again, off-again with Dennis and no one cared.  But what I strongly suspect is going on is that Scott is tugging at Tinsley on the one hand, telling her this can only work if she keeps their relationship private, and her cast mates are doing their literal jobs, as in what they are paid to do, by asking her about Scott, and she clams up and starts lying, and I don’t abide by lying.  It makes everyone involved look foolish.  She should just make a cogent decision and stick with it.  I would respect any decision she made.

I posted at the end not reading from the beginning, but you are right about Tinsley.  I posted that Dorinda was wrong for attacking Tins, but she was right .. Tins shouldn’t be on the show if she hides her private life.  If she’s going to hide going with Scott and where she’s living, etc. what’s left to talk about?  Either shit it all out like the rest of them, or get off the pot.

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2 minutes ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

John is a very successful business man who has many more friends and admirers than Dorinda. He needed to dump her loser drunken ass a long time ago and marry a nice nubile Armenian girl and have some babies who can take over the dry cleaning business. 
 
To illustrate what a horrible drunken bitch Dorinda is just imagine being quarantined with her. You would chew your arm off to escape.

Yes, I agree.  Dorinda needs John more than he needs her.  He supplies her with clothing, dry cleaning, and more.  She cannot be completely alone without a man, especially on her arm and to go to functions.  Seems like there is a shortage of men their age group.  Same ole guys at the bars.  I wouldn’t want any of them losers.  Besides, if Ramona can’t find a guy, Dorinda can’t.  At least Ramona behaves like a lady, not like a drunken fish wife who slobbers and goes for the jugular when drinking.

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It’s a class thing with Dorinda. She looks down on John because works for his money and is not a finance thief like her husband. John gives off a working class vibe and these bitches are obsessed with a pretentious facade.  That’s why that Douche bag Tom was such a catch. If Dorinda loses John she will be reduced to escorts like the one we met tonight who banged Ramona.

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2 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

Without make up Dorinda looks a little bit like Lady Gaga. 

Somethings different with her nose.  It’s smaller or thinner.  Either different shading or something done.

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I feel for Tinsley.  With Sonja and now Dorinda turning on her, plus Carole disavowing her and their friendship, I wouldn't blame Tinsley for quitting the show and moving to Chicago (even if I do think Scott's not worth it).  I'm glad that the show at least paired the new girl with Tins.

I wonder what Ramona's friend Missy has to do to upgrade to an apple?

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1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

I am really hating the new chick.  First masturbation and now clit rubbing.  Jesus.

Also, Sonja?  Ramona's dog is 17, which is really old, and, humping isn't generally an  encouraged behavior in a dog.  Stop your dog from humping!

New Chick on the wrong show.  She belongs with potty mouth Denice Richards who talks about getting laid and masturbation 24 hours a day.

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51 minutes ago, retired watcher said:

I believe Sonja's daughter was on once or twice the first season. I also believe her ex husband didn't want Quincy on TV so it is like Bethany/Brynn. She is old enough to make her own decisions and maybe her decision is to stay off the show.

 

It’s not like Bethenny/Brynn, because before I posted, I looked up Quincy’s age, and she was born in October 2000.  She was never on the show.  Last season began filming summer 2018 through early 2019, so she could have chosen to be on the show the way that, on RHNJ, Dina Manzo’s daughter was pulled from filming because she didn’t have her father’s permission, and she basically reappeared on her 18th birthday.  Same exact thing with Tamra Judge’s son Spencer.  He filmed his 18th birthday party on the show.

If Quincy made her own adult decision not to be on the show, which is what I said in my first post, fine, but then she’s not a part of Sonja’s narrative.  I haven’t minded occasional mentions of Quincy’s status in the past, but, as I stated, it’s shitty storytelling to have Sonja film an entire scene about her daughter’s absence when Quincy opted not to be on the show in the first place.  The time would have been better spent catching up on kids who will be filmed, like Hannah, or Victoria or Avery.  

To put it simply, I am not interested in watching a show about people who aren’t on it.  I think the concept is absurd.

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What color was Dorinda at that party?  Does she use the same spray-tanning dial as Alex Trebek, somewhere between bright orange and grey?  

Alex's  color looks like the color of a man who has cancer. I bet his liver is involved with that jaundice anemic look he has.  I just hope he is doing ok.

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33 minutes ago, The Ringo Kidd said:

It’s a class thing with Dorinda. She looks down on John because works for his money and is not a finance thief like her husband. John gives off a working class vibe and these bitches are obsessed with a pretentious facade.  That’s why that Douche bag Tom was such a catch. If Dorinda loses John she will be reduced to escorts like the one we met tonight who banged Ramona.

Yes, all her husbands were “somebody”.  She strings John along like a peasant.  Besides clothing, John is good for many things (cough, cough).

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1 hour ago, Silver Bells said:

I posted at the end not reading from the beginning, but you are right about Tinsley.  I posted that Dorinda was wrong for attacking Tins, but she was right .. Tins shouldn’t be on the show if she hides her private life.  If she’s going to hide going with Scott and where she’s living, etc. what’s left to talk about?  Either shit it all out like the rest of them, or get off the pot.

Hmm, I don't agree with that at all.  I watch the show for the interactions between the women, the friendships, the social events, fun trips, the clothes.  I couldn't care less about their personal lives and if they want to hide things from the show I'm all for it.  Bethenny hid her kid from the show and that's her prerogative and I feel the same about Tinsley.  I'm sure Tinsley was asked to be on the show. I doubt it was the other way around, her begging to be on the show.  So, she gets to choose.  They all do.  Nobody forces Dorinda to parade John around the show.

After reading about Leah's incredibly humiliating text exchange with Michael Che, I could never look at that woman in a positive light.  I can't believe  she got this spot that was left by Bethenny.

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3 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

It’s unusual for a Housewife from any franchise to have a well-groomed daughter in seventh grade.  They all tend to look so unruly at that age, and I love when a parent minds the appearance of their kid before putting them on TV, so that the kid isn’t embarrassed for life.  

100 times yes!!!! ALL these moms on FB who don’t pick that battle. I’m not sorry, that’s a battle you need to pick. I’m so sick of stringy haired, sloppy looking kids because their mothers don’t make them sit for the hairdryer and let them go to bed with wet hair. Then they post a picture of the rats nest the next morning like it’s funny. It’s gross. My mom with four of us and my dad on the road all the time always made sure we were washed, dried and brushed. I really appreciate well-groomed children, so kudos to Leah.

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Glad this show is back because it's the best of the RH franchises, but it feels wrong not being on Wednesday and it is already lacking some luster/entertainment factor without Beth.

These ladies came out of the gate putting 110% into their performances, and it should have been embarrassing for many of them but these self-proclaimed bad bitches won't even bat an eyelash. Ramona's performance of "I want a man to hold me" was cringeworthy, but her friends are so immune to her histrionics it was just business as usual in the bar while she wailed. That portly Indian guy didn't even look over at Ramona, haha. Dorinda was also rearing to go with Tinsley. Guess they're all vying to be the new Queen B, now that Bethenny is gone.

I don't mind the new girl so far. I've never heard of her fashion line--does it have something to do with the show Married to the Mob? I do appreciate that she wasn't afraid to call Dorinda's behavior crazy to her face upon first meeting because, well, it was. Could do without her being profane and threatening to beat her own mother's ass around her 12 year old child, though.

Sonja's new place looks like a shit hole when juxtaposed with Ramona's UES apartment. Wasn't she charging $23k to rent her townhouse not too long ago? Well clearly that lie was exposed.

So does Tinsley leave halfway through this season to move to Chicago or what? I definitely need her around to low key shade Luann when she's being extra. Speaking of the Cuntess, she hasn't changed one bit. She walked into Dorinda's party with all the airs in world. I'm all for getting back up after a fall, but this bitch has no reason to be haughty any more.

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3 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

What color was Dorinda at that party?  Does she use the same spray-tanning dial as Alex Trebek, somewhere between bright orange and grey?  

Maybe it was my TV, but whatever bluish glitter or color she had on her chest appeared like she was aiming for a bruised look. 

I guess Dorinda inherited Luike from Caroline Stanbury after she went to Dubai.

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2 hours ago, ShawnaLanne said:

Sonja, Ramona, and even Lu are looking more their ages this season. I wonder if the lighting is different?

Actually, I was wondering if Lu had a $10,000 nap - her eyes look different

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6 hours ago, Mindthinkr said:

If I was Leah and on national tv I would not be admitting to getting so drunk that I lost my Chanel purse and passport. I think we are in for some very drunken antics from that one. Hey, she admitted to binging and getting out of control. Pretty soon Kiki will be cringing and wanting to be absent from school the days after her Mom has screen time/an episode. So much for their best friend/mother-daughter status. 

If you google Leah, there are several articles that mention her bipolar II disorder. I don’t know much about that but all the drinking on the show could be a problem.

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