Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[Daisy]

Today's Journey
 

Winderemere (Wyndemere?)
Nik is no longer happy to see Sonny and demands the hell? Sonny goes your problem is your sense of entitlement (CUE LIGHTNING STRIKE). You think you can take anything anytime you want (LS#2).. Nik has serious confused pikachu face and goes what are you talking about. Sonny goes, you are lucky I didn't come home a day later,because I wouldn't have stopped... until you were DEAD. (fool, shut your mouth).

Nik is like, get out of my house, you are trespassing. Sonny is like i have a lot of stuff in my life, I don't need this. But i'm not leaving until we have an understanding. Nik looks confused. (i would be too because Sonny is dumb). 

Nik goes, stop threatening me, Sonny goes, it's not a threat it's a promise. if you take my daughter away from me, you're gonna pay. Nik is like you are crazy, you aren't making sense. Sonny is like who cares where i was, I got back in time to stop you from taking Avery. Nik goes that was months ago. Ava refused to leave why are you bringing this up now? Sonny is like I heard about the plane tickets from Spencer's girlfriend. Nik is like Esme told you this? Let me get her. Sonny goes running away is a pattern with you always has been. Lemme tell you something. You and ava aren't taking Avery from me. She's staying here. (again. you MORON. YOU TALKED TO AVA THIS MORNING. DID SHE LOOK LIKE A PERSON WHO WAS TAKING AVERY ANYWHERE?!). He hisses I'm going to make sure of it. (Goons grab Nik).Me: honestly. i hope Nik does get beaten up. then sue Sonny and throw his ass in jail. 

Spencer is like what's up with you? Trina shows a picture of Esme + Sonny and goes you tell me? Spencer is like so?  They go um yah Esme talked to Sonny, and now Sonny is here with scary people. and Spencer looks scared. 

 

Spencer ruins my dream, and tells Sonny to stop. Sonny is like this doesn't concern him and Spencer is wtf, he's my father. Nik goes, Sonny is crazy, and Sonny is channeling Carly with headbobbing/righteous bitch face (sorry MB, LW does it better), Spencer goes you are wrong, Ava/Nik are leaving but they aren't taking avery. Nik is like what are YOU talking about? Sonny laughs and says Nik says he wasn't. Nik is like I'm NOT. Sonny is like stop lying. Sonny is like let's go. Spencer is like show him the tickets. Nik is like there ARE no tickets. Spencer is like but Cam said.... Cam and trina rush in and scream they lied they are sorry. Sonny looks so dissapointed he can't beat up anyone. Spencer and Nik have pikachu confused faces 

Sonny is like "start talking."  Trina and Cam talk in unison and it sounds like verbal garbage, but Spencer catches it and goes "you tricked me." Trina is like it was for your own good. Sonny is like. take a breath and start again. Trina starts and Sonny is like joss was involved in this? (Info dump on the plan). but they say we never mentioned Avery. Esme made that up. Sonny is like aren't you too old for pranks? Cam goes it wasn't a prank, we wanted to prove stalking business. Nik is like we did this. Spencer looks sad/scared. Sonny is like I'm disappointed in you. (god I wished one of these people went. "are you kidding me you're the one who was gonna have Nik beaten up without verifying the facts, Mr. loser). Nik demands an apology from everyone...including sonny. then says if you aren't man enough just get the hell out of my house. (NO. SUE HIM NIK! BAD NIK!). Sonny gives him a dirty look and says "don't press your luck." Nik snaps back, "it's not luck. you were wrong."

Spencer says enough. ..omg Spencer admits the truth that he's the stalker! (and this is is where you can see Nik's heart breaking right.... there!!!). Sonny rolls his eyes. Nik stops him and Sonnyis like, no let him talk.

Spencer spills all the tea. He looks like he was going to cry. Nik looks like his mind was blown. Spencer says Esme set the car on fire. (Trina gets a phonecall). Spencer covers for Esme and says it was all him. 

Sonny is pissed that Spencer involved Avery. "I'll deal with you later." He spits out to nik. "we're done for now." Sonny leaves (finally). Nik looks like he's broken.  Cam leaves. Cam goes why aren't you happy, Trina? Trina says how can I be happy with Spencer looking so sad?

Spencer asks Nik to say something. 

 

Jax's House of Truth Telling
Jax goes how much did Nina tell you about nf? Carly: enough to confirm everything that she knew and didn't tell us he was alive. What else could be worse? teeheeeeheee. Jax has this. "Oh crap now I have to tell her face?"

Jax doesn't say anything. Carly is like you dodged a bullet. Joss comes in. She said i'm sorry I meddled, and they blow smoke up Jason's ass. Joss activates Carly Jr mode, and chews out Nina. How is she capable? She gave me a grad present. Jax points out 'Unhappy people, do desperate things." (YAH. CARLY). Joss is legit like whatever, and goes back to Carly. She says I hope i didn't make a mistake with Maxie. Carly is like I am grateful, I prefer to know the truth (Pointed look at Jax - me: shut up). Joss is like i wish it had been one day earlier Before Wedding. Carly is like YAH ME TOO pointed look at Jax (Bitch it was the same day you were getting married when he found out for sure. shut up).  Joss is like are you fighting again? (yes because your mom is a cow).  

Joss is like I know you don't like sonny but WE'RE happy (so clearly that's all that matters in her world). Jax is like um, yeah I'm happy for you. Carly rolls her eyes. then says we're always going to be there for you. Joss goes yah but i'm old enough to know whne there is tension between you (girl go away. people fight. it's not going to be some kind of kumbaya commune when they always get along). Jax goes okay, we were discussing Sonny. Joss is like "discussing him how?"  Jax goes when I suspected I went to NF, confronted Nina, brought him home. Joss goes. well thank you so why is there tension over that (because your mom is a cow, Joss). Jax goes because your mom thinks if i told her about my hunch (emphasis Jax), that sonny was alive she would have postoned the wedding. Carly: and i'm trying to understand why he kept the hunch to himself. (because you flat out told him you wouldn't have believed him. holy crap. this show) 

Joss is like glad I saw you mom, only here to pick up laundry. call me spoiled. (SPOILED! SPOILED! SPOILED!!!). but blegh blegh college talk.  

Carly leaves, and info dumps about stuff again. Joss is mad at Nina again. she doesn't care about that Nina they suffered for NINE MONTHS. then demands "are you over Nina for good now"

Kelly's
Maxie is like hi, you finally answered me, to Nina. Nina goes sorry i was with Wiley. Maxie is like Carly found you. Nina goes yeah and if she has her way, i'll never see wiley again. (Hello - Nina. you can sue for Custody). 

Maxie apologises, and Nina is okay with it. Maxie says she didn't tell Carly about Nina+MIke, and Nina is like yah that's Sonny's job, Maxie goes, what makes you think Sonny hasn't told her. (Probably because Nina's still standing, Maxie). 

Info dump about meeting Sonny. nina's heart is confused She knows Sonny is gonna to be evil again. Maxie says some part of him cares for her. Then maxie says you know he might not want to admit it but Sonny's protecting you. 

Nina goes, he probably didn't tell her because he's busy reconnecting w/everyone. (No Nina he's being a thug). Austin comes in introduces himself to Nina and Maxie and they have a moment. Nina is amused.  

Nina splits. Scotty stops her and goes WHY did you involved Lisel? Nina says it was her idea! Nina goes Lisel can take care of herself. Scotty goes no! I'm incharge now! I'll find her. 

Scotty is like Maxie filled me in, and Scotty is like i wish he stayed there, it was better for this town. NIna is all hearts and roses about Sonny and Scotty sees it and looks like he wants to throw up, and goes don't tellme you fallen for it too. 

 

 

Austin and Maxie awkwardly flirt i guess and he sits down. 
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Scotty and Austin are talking about the case. 2 weeks. blegh blegh. Scotty is like yeah prepare for the unexpected for a Q counter attack. they learned how to be tricky and devious and stubborn from Edward. Austin is like i can be stubborn too. God i hope you lose. He says i talked to ned, and i was convincing. 

CasaQ
Ned is like. "Look lawyers. figure it out. call me back." . BLQ is like Hi, Ned is like hey glad to see you. BLQ is like yah no. not when i have to tell you what i know. 

Apparently Olivia is being a cow, and slamming doors etc. BLQ is like dad don't screw it up with Olivia. Ned brings up Austin's name and BLQ is like WHO CARES ABOUT AUSTIN?! Ned infodumps about Leo and they bring up the fact that Leo could be on the spectrum. 

BLQ is horrified that Austin said that. Ned is like he didn't say it he said that's up to the specialist to confirm.BLQ is like yah because Austin is SOOOO not a specialist. She asks if Leo's paediatrician said anything, and Ned is like no, and BLQ and is this is Nonsense then, and you told this to Olivia. Ned snaps it's not nonsense. I researched. I 'm learning. He thinks Leo has signs. Ned brings up the signs, and BLQ is like, he's shy! he has good attention span. Ned goes we should give Leo what he needs. BLQ goes, what he needs is for you to stop buying into Austin's bull.  

BLQ is like this could be a plan to split Ned's focus. Ned is like yes, but I don't think this has anything to do with Leo. BLQ doesn't buy this. they are arguing about the differences of Leo's behaviour. BLQ says no. he only cares about himself. 

BLQ gets a text from maxie. Yuri shows up and says everything is secured. BLQ is like we're leaving. Yuri is like.... but we will get desert

Leo shows up and focuses on the toy. Ned is talking to him, and Leo is ignoring him. Pensive look from ned. 

Prison
Ava is still goading Ryan. Maura West is bringing it. That is all.  Ava runs into Esme. Esme is like i wanna intern here. Ava's like.. really? they both look at Ryan. Ava's like stay away from him. Esme's like yah but he can only blink. Ava goes she has to go. Esme remembers the conversation she had with Trina. Esme brings it up to Ava and Ava is like what are you talking about. esme clues in. 

 

Esme goes Oh i shouldn't have said anything. Ava is like I have no idea what you are talking about. Esme is like you are leaving town? Ava is like what about it? Esme goes never mind I'm a ditz. Ava is like yes, and goes anyway bye. Ava has has a moment and picks up her cell phone

 

Show Ends
Austin is impressed how strong Maxie is. Maxie says he won't get the best of her. BLQ shows up and says stay out of my family's business. Austin: you are my family. BLQ is like leave Leo out of this. You may have QDNA but you aren't family. 

Ned is trying to get through to Leo. Leo is like he wants to play. Ned goes nope.  Leo is having none of it. and starts humming. Ned keeps calling his name. 

Esme is alone with Ryan. Esme goes sorry about the Delay, i thought Ava would never leave. Creepy smile and Omnious music

Nik is no longer broken. What do you want me to say, he explodes Spencer! You hated me because I left you. Then you did the same thing so Ava can do the same thing to her little girl AND FOR WHAT?! SHE WAS NO THREAT. She wans't a threat! we were building a life. We would have let you in! do you hate me that much?! Spencer is like no father. Nik is like please tell me this was a mistake. and it's not true. Ava walks in and goes "what isn't true?"

Scotty is like you're not the onlyone who fell for Sonny. He's bad news. Nina is like you are wrong. Scotty gives him his card. Scotty says Sonny is bad news, so is Carly so you need legal and/or *slices throat* watch out

Carly is drinking by the fire. Sonny comes in. You started without me?  They talk about his bipolar. Sonny goes something on your mind? Carly, goes not something. Someone. NINA. Sonny narrows his eyes

[tvgoddess]

13 minutes ago, Daisy said:

pikachu confused faces 

What does this mean? I have no context for this.

[lala2]

This was the first episode I watched this week, and I really enjoyed the Nik/Spencer scenes. I like their father/son dynamic and hope to see them repair things. I am looking forward to the rest of their scene and Monday's scenes w/Ava. I have been very disappointed in the reveals lately, but Nikolas was giving me my life w/his anger and rage at the end of the episode. I think this one reveal may actually NOT disappoint. 

Sonny is so obnoxious! He had a lot of nerve busting his way into Nikolas's home and bringing goons to beat him up. I wish Nikolas's security had been allowed to meet Sonny's security head-to-head but this show always has to have the Corinthos clan prevailing and ruling over everyone! Ugh. I do love that Nikolas was allowed to demand an apology AND call Sonny out on being weak. I was happy he stood up to Sonny and told him to get the heck out of his house. Sonny is an ass! And an idiot! He just took some random girl's word as the truth! Think, Sonny! 

I just can't w/Brook Lynn's OTT anger w/Austin. It's becoming annoying. It doesn't help that this story is shown every 3 weeks or so. I just feel like she should be over it by now. LOL! 

The scenes w/Ned and Leo were good. Leo should definitely be evaluated. 

I missed all of Carly and mini-banshee's yelling this week. I just read about it, and it was too much. I muted most of the Carly/Jax/Josslyn stuff. Sorry, Jax. I hate your ex and your daugher! Even when they are right, I find Carly and Josslyn so intolerable. They both could DIAF for all I care! 

Oh . . . yeah . . . I caught one moment this week - Nina telling Carly she would apologize to sonny's 7th Grade Teacher but would never apologize to her. That was great! I loved that line! I know Nina is wrong, but Carly and her shadow are so obnoxious and insufferable. I can't root for them. I'm happy Nina wasn't too apologetic to that harpy! 

Edited October 1, 2021 by lala2

[Daisy]

Just now, tvgoddess said:

What does this mean? I have no context for this.

Sorry- there is a meme of Pikachu (a character from Pokemon/videogame/cartoon) that has a confused face/shocked face like this lemme see if i can post a picture

 

like. "gasp!" 

sorry that it confused you :)

[tvgoddess]

3 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Sorry- there is a meme of Pikachu (a character from Pokemon/videogame/cartoon) that has a confused face/shocked face like this lemme see if i can post a picture

 

like. "gasp!" 

sorry that it confused you :)

Ah, thanks. That explains it, I am not into any of those things.

[ffwbe]

Josslyn seems so inserted into scenes these days. Does EMc have an insane amount of minimums that need to be used up because she’s not adding anything to either of these storylines. 

[KittyQ]

Perhaps it is because I get wrapped up in details, but I wonder that no one has called Diane (or some other lawyer) to look into:

• How to get Sonny's status of being officially "dead" reversed
  • Did Sonny have a will? Life insurance? A 401K (haha - just kidding!) Did Carly get those payouts? If so, doesn't she need to give it back?
• How to get Carly and Jason's marriage annulled
  • I don't know if their marriage was officially registered, but if so, doesn't this have to happen to keep Carly from being a bigamist?
  • Was there any property, etc. shared between Carly and Jason on their marriage? If so, does this mean Sonny loses out?

Aside from these details, it is good to see that Carly is consistent - still feels everything is really all about her and doesn't cut anyone else any slack.

[seasons]

Are will still one day behind on this shitshow?

 

So many of these characters have devolved into being so incredibly unlikable. 

[dubbel zout]

Sonny gets duped by a bunch of teenagers! Talk about getting what he deserves. I love it.

I had to laugh at Trina and Cam's faces when Spencer admitted he was Ava's stalker: "OMG, we were right?!"

Good grief, BLQ's resistance to believe Austin about anything is ridiculous. He can have legit medical opinions that have nothing to do with trying to get something from the Qs. I also don't like the implication that having autism means something is wrong. Ned is right: It's a different way of experiencing things. I also hate how no one wants Leo to see a specialist. I get everyone is afraid, but when you know what the deal is, you can figure out what to do. GAH.

"I'm pretty sure your dad only installed that washer and dryer just to lure you here." So what was Jax doing for clean clothes until then, sending them out? He strikes me as a guy who can do his own laundry and wouldn't mind. He also strikes me as a guy who has a housekeeper who would do that for him.

7 minutes ago, ffwbe said:

Josslyn seems so inserted into scenes these days. Does EMc have an insane amount of minimums that need to be used up because she’s not adding anything to either of these storylines. 

I wonder if they're using her a lot now because her schedule will be more limited during the academic year.

4 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

I wonder that no one has called Diane

Jason mentioned yesterday he was going to call her.

Ugh, Sam is back on Monday. I have not missed her.

[statsgirl]

22 hours ago, perkie1968 said:

Nope.  I'm putting money on guilt ridden Trina and Cam confessing they lied about Bora Bora before Spencer opens his mouth.

Reveal caused by Sonny of course.

I'm really hating everything that has happened since Sonny got back from Nixon Falls. I wish that he had stayed there, no matter how boring.

17 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Wow, Sonny really is stupid.  He immediately believes a random stranger who comes up to him and tells him Nik and Ava are taking Avery and leaving town.  And then proceeds to bring two thugs over to Nik's house and start threatening him.  Nina, you're delusional, but you really don't know what a giant bullet you dodged--figuratively and probably literally.

Poor Nik, he was so happy to see his former brother-in-law returned from the dead. He should have learned from the past.

15 hours ago, Daisy said:

And the thing is this is so stupid. that morning Sonny saw Ava and saw Ava say goodbye to Avery. so when exactly would Ava had changed her mind, ask Nik to book tickets, and split with Avery? God Sonny is dumb.  (not to mention Ava has every right to take her child out of town)

There are no words for how stupid Sonny is when he feels someone is disrespecting him.  It's not just that he takes the word of a complete stranger who just introduced herself to him over Nik who is family and refuses to listen to Nik explain, he disregards the best evidence to the contrary which is Ava saying goodbye to Avery and asking Sonny to protect her.

A co-worker calls it "small dick syndrome".  Absolutely.

Is Joss living in residence now? Because she always seems to be at either her mother's house or her father's or at Sonny's gym (PCU doesn't have rec facilities?).

18 hours ago, Auntie Velvet said:

See, my takeaway from that scene was that he was using cordial speak for "go fuck yourself; there's no way I'm helping you."

But he's also not protecting Spencer, his step-grandson who Laura asked him to take care of.  If Kevin knows how dangerous Esme is, why isn't he doing something to help Spencer? I think that Kevin doesn't have time for Esme but he hasn't realized how dangerous she is.

My guess for Esme is that she's into being Nik's girlfriend for the family money. That's why she wants to help Spencer separate his father from Ava. She's a fan of Ryan's because she's a psychopath herself, that's enough. But this show will probably tie her to some character family-wise.

I loved Nik finally being able to react to how he feels about Spencer and the stalker (great line about how bad Spencer felt losing Nik but now he's doing the same thing to Avery). I just wish that Sonny hadn't been the catalyst.

On a very high note, Ned's scenes with Leo and with Brook Lynn about Leo were great. I'm thinking that WK is having a lot of input into the writing for those.

[Gigi43]

Sonny's back what, one day? Barges into Nik's home with goons, threatens him off of information he got from some random teenager. Finds out Cam/Trina/Joss started the rumor and is disappointed in them for "immaturity." 1st of all, they had no idea you'd be involved, dipshit, 2nd they never involved Avery, 3rd they can actually put information together correctly, and of course 4 they're not thugs who barge into peoples homes with other thugs. Sit down with your judgements. Are they just gonna find reasons for Sonny to enter other stories as to not deal with the fact he never looked into who he is?

 

Spencer caved pretty quick. Not even Spencer and Trina could believe it. I'd prefer if Esme was just a young gold digging psycho but they'll probably make her related to Ryan, which will force Kevin to deal with her. 

 

Ned is the only one with sense about Leo. How is getting Leo looked at by a 3rd party doctor going to distract from a lawsuit, BLQ? Is Ned's lawyer also the doctor who will have less time to put arguments together? 

[lala2]

2 minutes ago, Gigi43 said:

Ned is the only one with sense about Leo. How is getting Leo looked at by a 3rd party doctor going to distract from a lawsuit, BLQ? Is Ned's lawyer also the doctor who will have less time to put arguments together? 

Thank you! Brook Lynn's argument is dumb. I know she hates Austin for existing, but I'm going to need her to stop acting like his every move is ELQ-related. As far as I'm concerned, the man has been upfront from the start about what he wants. Her accusations and anger/disgust w/him is OTT and bordering on insane if you ask me! 

[ffwbe]

I find Austin to be a bit of a dud tbh but BL’s anger towards him is way OTT along with her suspicions regarding him using Leo. Not  sure how she thinks that will help him gain control of ELQ and it’s especially ironic coming from someone who faked a pregnancy to get her shares back.

Honestly I don’t particularly get any of their anger or judgement towards Austin. The company has a dozen Qs as shareholders who care nothing about ELQ and plenty of them didn’t grow up in that family either so I don’t see the different between someone like Austin and people like Maya, Skye, Lila Rae, Etc. He’s just looking to be a part of the family, not steal the company. 

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

I'm really hating everything that has happened since Sonny got back from Nixon Falls. I wish that he had stayed there, no matter how boring.

me too. I legit did not miss Sonny Sonny. (I don't miss Mike either, but I did not miss this dumbass)

 

1 hour ago, statsgirl said:

There are no words for how stupid Sonny is when he feels someone is disrespecting him.  It's not just that he takes the word of a complete stranger who just introduced herself to him over Nik who is family and refuses to listen to Nik explain, he disregards the best evidence to the contrary which is Ava saying goodbye to Avery and asking Sonny to protect her.

A co-worker calls it "small dick syndrome".  Absolutely.

pretty much this. and what drives me crazy - i personally feel the show missed growth here. this is typical grade a Sonny. where as MIKE would probably have asked some questions before he got all GET OUT OF MY FACE. why not show that growth for sonny? this moron was going to beat up Nik without any proof and basically in front of Spencer, because Spencer knew exactly what was up. Why did people miss this? I don't care how loving, and great coffee/sauce making Sonny is. THIS is what you missed. an explosive, small minded. mob boss who would  rather react before getting the information. 

honestly, i want sonny to do this to someone who wouldn't hesitate to call the cops.

 

[racked]

If Sonny was so worried about his daughter you would think his first stop would be Avery. But of course his main concern was his ego. In a normal show anyone acting like he did today would be examined by a doctor, because that display of irrational thinking and impulsive propensity towards violence first is worrying. But it’s just normal Sonny, back to  business. 

Edited October 2, 2021 by racked

[DanaK]

I’m starting to be amused every time the show resolves a big plot or has someone confess to something big long before I think it’s going to be resolved/confessed to. So I was happy and surprised to see Spencer confess that he and Esme were Ava’s stalkers and in front of enough witnesses. And he may need to worry about Sonny’s wrath for scaring Avery

So, Esme. It appears she knows Ryan after all. Next week should be interesting

[Cheetara1986]

The teens continue to be the best part of this trainwreck of a show. Plus, they have been presented as the smartest characters. They arent perfect, but they actually rub together their braincells when they talk and act.

I did like that Spencer just outright admitted to it all before it exploded. Big reason because he knows how Sonny will react and also the guilt. Sonny, I get him being angry about Avery being put in danger but once again he proves why I dont miss his character at all.

 

Also, am I the only one that thinks the show will.go: Spencer x Trina make up and become official down the line, while Esme moves on to Cam and they dip into a love triangle between Esme/Cam/Joss?  

[drtslim]

38 minutes ago, Cheetara1986 said:

The teens continue to be the best part of this trainwreck of a show. Plus, they have been presented as the smartest characters. They arent perfect, but they actually rub together their braincells when they talk and act.

I did like that Spencer just outright admitted to it all before it exploded. Big reason because he knows how Sonny will react and also the guilt. Sonny, I get him being angry about Avery being put in danger but once again he proves why I dont miss his character at all.

 

Also, am I the only one that thinks the show will.go: Spencer x Trina make up and become official down the line, while Esme moves on to Cam and they dip into a love triangle between Esme/Cam/Joss?  

It really is the best written story on the show right now.  And I agree, it does seem like Esme is set to be the spoiler for Cam and Joss sooner rather than later.  I actually think that they're starting to find Joss's voice; and the type of character that she's becoming really needs a rival to work as a protagonist.

[Cheetara1986]

6 minutes ago, drtslim said:

It really is the best written story on the show right now.  And I agree, it does seem like Esme is set to be the spoiler for Cam and Joss sooner rather than later.  I actually think that they're starting to find Joss's voice; and the type of character that she's becoming really needs a rival to work as a protagonist.

Im liking Joss more and more. You cant take away her mom's qualities from her, but at least she forms a strong relationship with another female and isnt threaten by her.

Hell, i appreciate Esme for being an unapologetic rich bitch villioness.

You can tell the teens all like one another in real life. They got great chemistry and they are the most mature group at of the majority of the actors  on GH.

[FilmTVGeek80]

Shut up, Sonny you greasy hobgoblin! Stuff like this is exactly why I didn’t miss Sonny at all. Nixon Falls was boring, but I’d rather be bored/slightly annoyed than enraged.

What a psychotic! He would have killed Nik if they’d left before he got there? Newsflash, former amnesiac! Nik and Ava thought you were dead up until a day ago. Ava had every right to take her daughter anywhere she damned well pleased! And, even if Sonny thought Ava’s goodbye was an act, how’d he think they could get to Avery when she was at Sonny’s house? Unless Sonny realizes how shitty his guards are (well as long as the storyline dictates they’re incompetent.)

I’m glad it played out like I hoped - with Cam and Trina admitting they lied, but the truth coming out anyway. 

The reveals haven’t always been stellar lately, but I love that some characters are getting to make good points and call some people out. I loved that Nina called out Carly’s Nelle lie and wouldn’t apologize to Carly and neither would Jax. Today, Nik knew Sonny wouldn’t apologize but didn’t have time for his crap but got to call him a bully and tell him to get the fuck out. My favorite part was Nik getting to call Spencer’s on his hypocrisy for causing Avery the same pain he’s been whining about. I hope he also gets to tell him off for making him feel like crap for suspecting him of being the stalker. 
Kevin said Laura’s coming home soon. I hope so. She also needs to eat crow for how she treated Nik.

Joss is annoying, and a mini-Carly lately, but I’m glad she was able to express gratitude to her dad unlike her shebeast of a mother.

BrookLynn - and Olivia - need to calm down about Leo. I think she’s projecting some of her own issues, but I can see why BL would have suspicions about him, but he’s not suggesting something out there or trying to shove pills down the kid’s throat. He merely said to see a specialist. It’s not much of a distraction. Take him to a specialist and if there’s nothing going on, voila situation resolved quickly.

I liked the scene with Leo and Ned. For once a child actor was unresponsive and looked bored, but it was intentional. NuWiley pretty much acted the same way with Nina, but I don’t think we’re supposed to suspect he’s on the spectrum.
 

 

[Gigi43]

7 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

 

I liked the scene with Leo and Ned. For once a child actor was unresponsive and looked bored, but it was intentional. NuWiley pretty much acted the same way with Nina, but I don’t think we’re supposed to suspect he’s on the spectrum.
 

 

 

Wiley's checked out because his parents are insanely boring.

[Blackie]

8 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

but I’d rather be bored/slightly annoyed than enraged.

 

I was surprised at my reaction to today's show. It made me enraged alright. This wonderful man ,who everyone is so happy is back, basically does a home invasion and attempted kidnapping????  Is this going to be the incident that sends Sonny wistful for the peaceful Mike? MB is a terrible actor, please stop subjecting us to this story line. I hope Sonny just decides to go back to Nixon Falls.

[Cheyanne11]

So let me get this straight.  Sonny gets manipulated by a teenager he just met, storms over to Wyndemere with two thugs to beat up (kill?) Nik, finds out he was wrong, and then when Nik asks for an apology says "don't press your luck?"  Does he not know what that expression means, as it's the exact opposite of what Nik was doing--unless he's saying Nik should be lucky that the truth came out before he was killed and Sonny could just shrug, look off into the middle distance, and then haltingly say "well...no...great...loss."  God, HE IS THE WORST!

[Kim0820]

4 hours ago, KittyQ said:

Perhaps it is because I get wrapped up in details, but I wonder that no one has called Diane (or some other lawyer) to look into:

• How to get Sonny's status of being officially "dead" reversed
  • Did Sonny have a will? Life insurance? A 401K (haha - just kidding!) Did Carly get those payouts? If so, doesn't she need to give it back?
• How to get Carly and Jason's marriage annulled
  • I don't know if their marriage was officially registered, but if so, doesn't this have to happen to keep Carly from being a bigamist?
  • Was there any property, etc. shared between Carly and Jason on their marriage? If so, does this mean Sonny loses out?

Aside from these details, it is good to see that Carly is consistent - still feels everything is really all about her and doesn't cut anyone else any slack.

I always wonder what happens - but they always gloss over - when someone comes back from the dead.  If it has been long enough for the estate to be probated.  Soap opera jurisdictions needs a procedure for that.  :)  Nikolas appeared to have not had to do anything when Stavros  or Stefan came back from the dead.  And lately, while Nikolas was "dead" it would presumably have gone into trust for Spencer.  That sounds easier to undo.  

I despise their going on about Nina not seeing Wylie.  That has to do with Wylie's best interests, not fights between adults.  Shut up, Ned.  Dumb viewers get ideas like that (or maybe already have ideas like that) and think they can cut a parent or grandparent out for a kid.

[FilmTVGeek80]

46 minutes ago, Kim0820 said:

I always wonder what happens - but they always gloss over - when someone comes back from the dead.  If it has been long enough for the estate to be probated.  Soap opera jurisdictions needs a procedure for that.  :)  Nikolas appeared to have not had to do anything when Stavros  or Stefan came back from the dead.  And lately, while Nikolas was "dead" it would presumably have gone into trust for Spencer.  That sounds easier to undo.  

Yeah, I actually wondered about this. Carly and Jason automatically assumed their marriage wasn’t valid, but Jason specifically said they had to call Diane to have Sonny officially not declared dead. If he was declared dead, how would his marriage to Carly still be valid?

I still thought Maxie’s justification for telling Carly was lame, but I guess Nina’s not really in a position to kick up a fuss. I was glad they established Maxie did call to warn her. I don’t know why they couldn’t have shown Nina ignoring a call when she was with Wiley, but whatever.

I’m assuming Esme is either related to Ryan and Kevin (eithers long-lost kid) or she’s some whacked out girl obsessed with Ryan. Her dislike of Ava seems too personal. There was the extreme of torching her car and using Kiki’s badge, plus the other day she made a crack about hoping Ava would die in a plane crash. Perhaps she was just playing to Spencer’s hatred of Ava, but it seems like more than that.

[TeeVee329]

All of Scotty's reactions to Sonny's return have been the best.  He's the only one in this stupid town who recognizes him as the waste of space he is.

I'm so f-ing sick of Joss, you guys.  It's October, time to stow that teen away.

Edited October 2, 2021 by TeeVee329

[Winston Wolfe]

13 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

So let me get this straight.  Sonny gets manipulated by a teenager he just met, storms over to Wyndemere with two thugs to beat up (kill?) Nik, finds out he was wrong, and then when Nik asks for an apology says "don't press your luck?"  Does he not know what that expression means, as it's the exact opposite of what Nik was doing--unless he's saying Nik should be lucky that the truth came out before he was killed and Sonny could just shrug, look off into the middle distance, and then haltingly say "well...no...great...loss."  God, HE IS THE WORST!

See...that's where a good writer (who doesn't have to kiss Mo's arse) has Nik saying "Do you not get that I'm a Cassadine?" My Grandfather was staging vendettas and trying to freeze the whole planet years before you even came to Port Charles. Get over yourself why don't you?" Yeah, that's the GH I want to see.

Edited October 2, 2021 by Winston Wolfe

[DanaMB]

11 minutes ago, Winston Wolfe said:

See...that's where a good writer (who doesn't have to kiss Mo's arse) has Nik saying "Do you not get that I'm a Cassadine?" My Grandfather was staging vendettas and trying to freeze the whole planet years before you even came to Port Charles as Luke Spencer's fucking side-kick. Get over yourself why don't you?" Yeah, that's the GH I want to see.

So agree. Didn’t Alexis have an awesome speech like that at Kristina’s grave years and years ago?

[TVbitch]

I really enjoy this Nick. He wears a lot of emotion on his face and brings passion and fire to his scenes. I was a big Tyler fan, but he didn't emote very  well. It helps that he is practically the only one not kissing Sonny's ass. 

So, Cam and Trina witness in the flesh Sonny going all menacing mob boss on Nik but are just gonna brush it off and still think of him as the wonderful Mr. Corinthos that we are all so blessed to have back. 

[Winston Wolfe]

5 minutes ago, DanaMB said:

So agree. Didn’t Alexis have an awesome speech like that at Kristina’s grave years and years ago?

Yep. I stole the "staging vendettas" line from Alexis when she was telling Sonny and Jason off at her sister Kristina's funeral. It was a joy to behold.

[mostlylurking]

11 hours ago, ljr said:

Doesn't Maurice bernard look like he needs some sleep? 

 

Yes he looks awful. He hasn’t looked this bad since he was off his meds at the start of Nixon Falls bullshit. Is this some sort of commentary on how he was so carefree as barback Mike and now that he’s back as Sonny it’s all stressful and hard?  Or am I giving this show too much credit?

[ciarra]

I find it unbelievable that Spence would come clean.  No evidence was presented, but he folded like wet cardboard.

[Daisy]

41 minutes ago, ciarra said:

I find it unbelievable that Spence would come clean.  No evidence was presented, but he folded like wet cardboard.

he has been wavering for a while now. and quite frankly his "beloved uncle" was going to beat up/murder his father. quite frankly, i would have folded too

 

43 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

Yes he looks awful. He hasn’t looked this bad since he was off his meds at the start of Nixon Falls bullshit. Is this some sort of commentary on how he was so carefree as barback Mike and now that he’s back as Sonny it’s all stressful and hard?  Or am I giving this show too much credit?

too much credit. (now if it was brought up, that would be great)

 

1 hour ago, TVbitch said:

So, Cam and Trina witness in the flesh Sonny going all menacing mob boss on Nik but are just gonna brush it off and still think of him as the wonderful Mr. Corinthos that we are all so blessed to have back. 

yeup. because they sat there and saw their girlfriend/best friend threaten someone with mob violence and just laughed it off. it's going back down to "since Esme is evil, it's okay." this will be chalked to "Well we lied so of course Mr. Corinthos would act this way." it's garbage. 

[statsgirl]

1 hour ago, TVbitch said:

So, Cam and Trina witness in the flesh Sonny going all menacing mob boss on Nik but are just gonna brush it off and still think of him as the wonderful Mr. Corinthos that we are all so blessed to have back. 

Cameron has been drinking the kool-aid since Joss cut him out for thinking that Jason might be a murder might murder the wrong guy.

Trina's a very smart girl and her dad's a cop (although also drinking the kool-aid). No excuses for her.

50 minutes ago, ciarra said:

I find it unbelievable that Spence would come clean.  No evidence was presented, but he folded like wet cardboard.

He was about to confess to Cameron when Trina arrived at the door.

It's the only way to redeem Spencer, to have him regret what he had done and be the one to confess.

[ciarra]

I find it out of character for Spencer to confess to anything.  Like election tampering.

[Daisy]

2 hours ago, ciarra said:

I find it out of character for Spencer to confess to anything.  Like election tampering.

I don't understand this reference - 

however - even if it is out of character- i think it's important because it shows growth. If Spencer didn't feel regret or what not about what he's doing (ie: he doens't learn from the butt chewing he's getting from his father/Ava, and they are clearly going for a Sprina relationship once he ditches Esme somehow) - then quite frankly that makes him no better than Carly and the gang. Even if we end up not liking him, even though he did stupid horrible things, the fact that he showed/showing remorse, and is trying to do the right thing (albeit now while caught) - is a good thing in my books

[FilmTVGeek80]

2 hours ago, ciarra said:

I find it out of character for Spencer to confess to anything.  Like election tampering.

 

16 minutes ago, Daisy said:

I don't understand this reference - 

however - even if it is out of character- i think it's important because it shows growth. If Spencer didn't feel regret or what not about what he's doing (ie: he doens't learn from the butt chewing he's getting from his father/Ava, and they are clearly going for a Sprina relationship once he ditches Esme somehow) - then quite frankly that makes him no better than Carly and the gang. Even if we end up not liking him, even though he did stupid horrible things, the fact that he showed/showing remorse, and is trying to do the right thing (albeit now while caught) - is a good thing in my books

Spencer confessing did seem a bit fast, considering there was no real reason to do it since Trina and Cam didn't have a ton of evidence against him, but like others said, we have seen moments here and there with him feeling guilty about this. His talk with Cameron already softened him up and he was close to confessing. I think he does care for Trina and I don't think he liked seeing Sonny and Nik yelling at her when he knows she's telling the truth (plus while she doesn't have a ton of receipts, she does know that Spencer was in PC long before he claimed to be.)

The reference to election tampering was the younger previous Spencer tampered with the mayoral election (I forget how) and that's how Laura won. I wouldn't expect Spencer to cope to that now since it was ages ago. He did that when he was younger. I would like to think it's possible for people - and characters - to evolve from when they were kids. Maybe then Spencer can pull crap like that and not feel guilty, but now he's maturing and feels guiltier for that behavior. 

[methodwriter85]

1 hour ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Maybe then Spencer can pull crap like that and not feel guilty, but now he's maturing and feels guiltier for that behavior. 

I kind of loved how the actor slipped and had Spencer call him "Dad", which we never hear him do. It might have been a line flub but I liked it. Nik clearly felt his world crashing down and it finally seemed to register with Spencer just how badly he messed up.

That was really good work from both of them. They should be proud!

 

Edited October 2, 2021 by methodwriter85

[Cheyanne11]

10 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

See...that's where a good writer (who doesn't have to kiss Mo's arse) has Nik saying "Do you not get that I'm a Cassadine?" My Grandfather was staging vendettas and trying to freeze the whole planet years before you even came to Port Charles as Luke Spencer's fucking side-kick. when you were on a corner in Brooklyn running numbers for the local thug.  Get over yourself why don't you?" Yeah, that's the GH I want to see.

Did a little rewrite. 

[Winston Wolfe]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Did a little rewrite. 

Thanks. That's mostly how I remember Sonny because Luke killed Frank Smith in order to prevent the mobster from killing Sonny. But I checked GH Wiki and Sonny did indeed have a Port Charles history that slightly preceded him meeting Luke, Jagger, et al.

[statsgirl]

49 minutes ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Thanks. That's mostly how I remember Sonny because Luke killed Frank Smith in order to prevent the mobster from killing Sonny.

Think of what the show could be today if only Luke had been somewhere else that day. 🤦‍♀️

[TVbitch]

11 hours ago, statsgirl said:

Trina's a very smart girl and her dad's a cop (although also drinking the kool-aid). No excuses for her.

Not for long, soon her dad will be a night club owner. : D 

I do we had some strong anti-mob characters, like we used to. These days the whole town is grey about the mob. Where is Mac and Robert?!

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, Winston Wolfe said:

Thanks. That's mostly how I remember Sonny because Luke killed Frank Smith in order to prevent the mobster from killing Sonny. But I checked GH Wiki and Sonny did indeed have a Port Charles history that slightly preceded him meeting Luke, Jagger, et al.

RETCON!!!!!!

[perkie1968]

A day late but here's my two cents...

 

LIne of the day: Nikolas: You can go ahead an apologize now and if you're not man enough than get the hell out of my house". Hell yeah baby!! And you'll notice Sonny was not man enough to apologize before he left.

I thought MC did a bang up job, through the whole thing. From being thrilled to see Sonny alive, followed by confusion at his anger, followed by understanding that he was going to be beaten up and had no idea why. To anger to denial when the kids say Spencer is the stalker to hurt/betrayal/anger when confronting Spencer. Excellent job all around and I'm glad it was him and didn't fall on the shoulders of the temp recast.

I also have to give kudos to the writers who wrote the line of: You were pissed at me for leaving you and now you're doing the same with Ava/Avery.

I had predicted Trina and Cam would be guilty enough to confess to lying about Bora Bora, but color me shocked when Spencer confessed to the whole thing. I was surprised that another storyline has been ended, seeing as they just finished the NF story.

Ava/MW is fantastic. That growl in her voice when she was taunting Ryan was fantastic.

The bad: Everything Sonny. Even some of his biggest fans on FB and Twitter are not amused that they've written him this way. How stupid can he possibly be. He was just with Ava, an hour ago at his house, when she said goodbye to Avery because of the stalker yet now he believes Nik is leaving with them? Also, no one said they were moving to the Cassadine island. At most, they would have been going on vacation. What's the big deal? Also, Sonny's been gone for NINE MONTHS(!!!), for all he knows NAva might go on vacations with Avery all the time. What a douche.

[dubbel zout]

16 hours ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

Kevin said Laura’s coming home soon. I hope so. She also needs to eat crow for how she treated Nik.

I disagree. Nik fake-stabbed his own son. Regardless of the reasons, that's reprehensible on any level. Laura hasn't been an effective mother to Nik (and she's been a way-too-indulgent grandmother to Spencer), but she's one of the few people who has the authority to call Nik out and have it mean something to him. She goes a bit overboard, yes, but Nik doesn't seem to respond to anything else.

13 hours ago, Winston Wolfe said:

See...that's where a good writer (who doesn't have to kiss Mo's arse) has Nik saying "Do you not get that I'm a Cassadine?" My Grandfather was staging vendettas and trying to freeze the whole planet years before you even came to Port Charles. Get over yourself why don't you?"

Nik could say all this, but his plans have always failed. He's an inept schemer who can't hold a candle to his Cassadine relatives for vendettas. Fake-stabbing Spencer was probably the first truly Cassadine thing he's ever done.

12 hours ago, ciarra said:

I find it out of character for Spencer to confess to anything.  Like election tampering.

NEVER FORGET. Though as @Daisy pointed out, Sonny was threatening his father. Spencer is a little turd, but he's not going to watch his uncle's goons beat up (or worse) Nik.

I can see Esmé meddling in Cam and Joss's relationship, but I don't see her getting together with Cam. He knows she's up to no good.

[nilyank]

51 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Nik could say all this, but his plans have always failed. He's an inept schemer who can't hold a candle to his Cassadine relatives for vendettas. Fake-stabbing Spencer was probably the first truly Cassadine thing he's ever done.

In true Scooby Doo fashion, Spencer would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids. Trina, Sam and Joss were on the case less than a week, but they got Esme to react (talk to Sonny) which resulted in Sonny being Sonny and threatening Nikolas. Spencer confessed (he almost had already previously with Trina and then later with Cam) that he was the stalker and he has been doing it from the beginning.

Meanwhile, Nikolas had tried everything that he could to lure the stalker out and prove to Ava that she and Avery were safe. None of it work. If it wasn't for the kids, Ava would have left town and they would be fully divorced.

Edited October 2, 2021 by nilyank

[Cheyanne11]

6 minutes ago, nilyank said:

In true Scooby Doo fashion, Spencer would have gotten away with it if it weren't for those meddling kids. Trina, Sam and Joss were on the case less than a week

And they managed to do it without looking disinterestedly at Nik, shrugging, and suggesting he and Ava split up.  Maybe Dante needs to take a lesson from them.

[YaddaYadda]

I watched yesterday's episode earlier today.

First, I think that the kid who plays Spencer has settled in really nicely into his role and I hope that Mo leaves him alone and doesn't decide to give him acting pointers. He can keep those.

But good effin' grief! I have not missed Sonny at all. I haven't missed Sonny and his stuttering. I haven't missed Sonny and his walking into people's homes and threatening them. I haven't missed Sonny and him strutting around like he owns the damn place.

Sonny ruins the scenes he's in. Spencer coming out with the truth was a good first step. I do wonder how Monday will go down with Ava. 

I'm glad that Ned is catching what Austin is throwing down. But I'm also thinking that a writers watched Atypical on Netflix and decided to do a storyline about autism.

That said, slamming doors doesn't help your kid, Olivia, but a doctor might.

BLQ was wearing a dress! I was a bit thrown to see legs. Now get rid of the bulky jackets.

I thought for a hot second that Esme be Franco's daughter. At this point, the character, for me, is Nelle-lite. The storyline with Esme/Ava is running very close to Nelle/Carly. So we'll see how that goes.

[nilyank]

30 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

I'm glad that Ned is catching what Austin is throwing down. But I'm also thinking that a writers watched Atypical on Netflix and decided to do a storyline about autism.

 

WK has a son who has autism so whatever else I believe what he is portraying really resonates with him. I wonder if he asked the show for this story or if they show asked him if he wanted to be part of it. I do think that is why Ned is being the one who is noticing something after what Austin said while Olivia is in denial and BLQ thinks Austin is lying to distract Ned.

[DanaK]

I have to add to the kudos about Friday's scenes with Spencer revealing the truth about being Ava's stalker. First, it happened sooner than I expected just as the show has done with other recent storylines. But the acting was well done, especially between the actors playing Spencer and Nik. Sonny was being a real jerk here (he should have realized Esme was playing him) but he managed to get secrets spilled. The kids were great all around