S01.E18: Torn

[Drogo]

Sumit reveals his truth; Deavan discovers more troubling information about Jihoon’s past; Corey returns to Ecuador with less than a month on his visa to convince Evelin to wed; Liam gives Aladin an ultimatum.

[Bryce Lynch]

So, who is Laura going to find to "tote" her eggs?

[Drogo]

So Liam's worried about losing his Bank of Mom Financial Aid.  

Get a job, boy. 

[Ijustwantsomechips]

Liam is a class A dick.  He’s seriously worried about Mommy not having money or time for him?  Grow up Chin-O!

[Iamthatmom]

I have to say, Aladdin really seems like a good guy and I feel like he really cares for Laura. 

[renatae]

Liam is coming off like a complete jerk. He really doesn't know Aladin, so I don't know how he can say Aladin is "just like the rest."

And it's none of his business if she has another child. (Which I acknowledge is a bad idea.) It's obvious he's not so much concerned for her health. He gives that away when he says "If she has a child with you I'm done with her, and you, too." He's like a toddler having a tantrum because he can't get his own way.

[Christina]

There have been some "production leaks" that I am not going to say here, but I mention because they claim that Liam had been done dirty by production and editing several times in the show and I think tonight's argument where he is saying that he draws the line at his mom having kids is going to turn out to be one of them. Apparently, he doesn't speak short and concisely, and when he does, he leaves gaping holes in his sentences, which leaves a lot of room for his words to be twisted and he didn't realize the manipulations with the questions he was being fed. 

Most of these people don't seem to realize the manipulations until the shows air, but some just do not give a damn for tv time. As far as I'm concerned, Laura left her son out to dry and come across as an overgrown child in her quest to be seen on television with eye candy. 

[magemaud]

What a waste for Liam to come to Tunisia and then hole up in his hotel room. I would much rather Ludwing was there! 

[Kiss my mutt]

I think Liam just went over to show off his spiffy hat. 

[Frozendiva]

Liam has no obligation to like/love his mother's spouse or partner. He is also a young adult and can be out on his own now. His mother's choices are that - hers. He can finish school, get a job, etc. He may very well had an upset stomach - flight, food, etc. Could also be contagious and there would be a lot of guests at the wedding.

Aladin may not be a bad guy but it isn't realistic for many 50 plus women to have a baby without significant medical assistance - and that is expensive.

Laura did look like a walking Christmas tree.

Deaven, maybe it isn't the best idea to move all the way to South Korea to marry a dude you barely know. So you have a child together. You don't have to commit yourself to him.  Maybe if you were a few years older, had a job, etc. things would be different. Your little fling with the dude did not show you who he was and if he would be a good partner for you. Kid first and then getting to know the guy doesn't always work.

Corey, go back to the US. Evelin wants your inheritance and not marriage. There won't be any change for a long time so a month is not going to change her mind.

How much more truth is there, Sumit? Oh what a tangled web you weaved.

[Kareem]

I admit I had questioned Aladin’s sanity from the beginning but I admire the way he’s tried to deal with Liam. It was as if he were explaining boundaries to someone who had none.  

[nutella fitzgerald]

1 hour ago, Christina said:

As far as I'm concerned, Laura left her son out to dry and come across as an overgrown child in her quest to be seen on television with eye candy. 

She came right out and announced his diarrhea to everyone!

[magemaud]

1 hour ago, Frozendiva said:

Liam has no obligation to like/love his mother's spouse or partner.

I thought of Liam just now when I saw that Geico commercial with the mother introducing "This is Jamie, you're going to be seeing a lot of him..." and the teenage son snarling, "I'm not going to call him Dad!" 

[Mrs. Landingham]

Wow, Sumit. What a piece of shit, no? Declaring his preference to be in jail instead of being married to his wife. Shut up, you gutless wonder. I hope your father in law shoves his foot up somewhere unpleasant. And may your wife go find a hot young buck to make spectacular jiggy jiggy with. 

[Delete]

I believe Liam is on the spectrum and therefore, may be unable to work a regular job. I'm speculating though, because he reminds me very much of my friend's son, who could not handle loud music, crowds etc. I once had him volunteer for me at the library, and he couldn't handle it. He's a very smart guy, but he had limits on what he could handle, and got overwhelmed easily. That may be the reason Liam didn't feel comfortable going to the big marriage events. I'm cutting him a lot of slack because I know some additional spoiler info. He has every right to be disappointed, and pissed off at his Mom. 

Sum-meat is a sack of stinky dog poo. The kind of poo that comes from an old dog being fed the cheap dog food. Even if he really loves Jenny, he is legally bound to someone else, and the fact that Jenny is still in India and open to talking with him makes me think she's wanting to stay with him. Snaggly toothed lovers. Turkey-necked sweethearts. heart emojis in her diary. Mrs. Jenny Sum-meat. 💕 She really must believe she's  in the senior citizen's version of a Harlequin Romance novel. 

I don't understand why Corey needs to convince Evilyn to get married. Isn't that the whole point of 90 day fiancé? You get married, or you go home. The storyline stinks like Ceasar's edible undies. 

Jihoon may be immature, but he's super funny. They make a good couple. She's serious and will balance out his childishness, and he'll make her laugh, and help her chill out a bit. Deaven looks so much cuter with less makeup on.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Barbara Please

[Adeejay]

I have a feeling that Evelin’s ex met someone new and ceased communication.  Hence her new found love and appreciation for Corey.  Given how happy she was to see him, she probably believes that he inherited some money. 

Liam showed his hand when he said that if his mother has another child, she will stop taking care of him, financially.  As if.

[mamadrama]

Now that we've had some spoiler stuff about Laura, I can't watch her scenes the same way anymore. And while I get what Liam's saying, and he's not really wrong, Coltee  Jr losing his shit about Mama potentially taking the attention away from him her baby boy has me both fascinated and kinda depressed. 

[Hellohappylife]

How does deavan keep glossing over the fact that she’s so unsure of Jihoon if he is mature enough,or has the ability to be a good husband financially... yet completely disregarding the more important issue of creating a breathing living thing with a guy that offers no opinion when Comes to real life adult shit. Instead every question turns into “Don’t worry!” 

I think it’s a bad idea for Laura to get pregnant at this stage in her life, but who in the hell gave Liam the right to make that choice for his mom ( or any women) 

Why is it So difficult for Liam to fake liking aladin ? just suck up the 3 day wedding?  Its not like he will be around them everyday. Suck it up already, and go home,and on the way out grab another germ ridden airplane blanket 

Can’t figure out if Evelin is truly being genuine and actually missed Corey. Of if she thinks he’s about to collect an inheritance. 

If cheating isn’t a “crime” and you can’t be arrested for doing it, then there is a giant loophole in that system when the family of the wife is allowed to assault you, no questions asked. You’d probably be better off going to jail.

Edited September 24, 2019 by Hellohappylife

[mamadrama]

27 minutes ago, Barbara Please said:

I don't understand why Corey needs to convince Evilyn to get married. Isn't that the whole point of 90 day fiancé? You get married, or you go home. The storyline stinks like Ceasar's edible undies. 

I think their storyline is a big pile of dog poo. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they've pulled a Molly and Luis and are already married. I think they're doing the show for entertainment and maybe some exposure for their "bar." 

My guess is that on the very last episode Evil Lyn will finally have a come to Jesus moment and realize that Corey is the love of her life and proclaim her love for him and they'll get married just in the nick of time...

[Mrs. Hanson]

3 hours ago, Kareem said:

I admit I had questioned Aladin’s sanity from the beginning but I admire the way he’s tried to deal with Liam. It was as if he were explaining boundaries to someone who had none.  

I agree, I thought he did a great job of saying, look, I am 30, you are 21, I want to be a friend, not a stepfather.  Liam was just hell bent on NOT liking him nor accepting him.  Liam has no right to tell his mom not to have a baby (which is a baaaaad idea) but he does not get to tell her how to live, no matter how jerky her choices may be.  And yes she did look like a Christmas tree.

[Jade Foxx]

13 minutes ago, Mrs. Hanson said:

And yes she did look like a Christmas tree

It was ceremonial Tunisian clothing - at her OWN wedding.  She’s such a dismissive, smug, nasty piece of work. 

[Mrs. Hanson]

2 minutes ago, Jade Foxx said:

It was ceremonial Tunisian clothing - at her OWN wedding.  She’s such a dismissive, smug, nasty piece of work. 

Smug really is an apt description, no?  It is Laura's world and we are all in it to exist with her.  Have you seen the scene where she makes wine in their apartment?  So into herself and no cares about, oh I don't know......the LAW?

[libgirl2]

8 hours ago, Iamthatmom said:

I have to say, Aladdin really seems like a good guy and I feel like he really cares for Laura. 

I am starting to think so too. What a wedding party!

[Meowwww]

Liam gave his game away: “ if she has another baby she won’t care about me anymore” and “if she has another baby she won’t pay for me/give me money anymore”. 

He flew all that way to sit in the hotel room to make Laura pay.  What a messed up family.   

Edited September 24, 2019 by Meowwww

[lu1535]

What a blow I was dealt this morning! I woke up to find Sling hadn't recorded this episode and I had a hard time finding it On Demand! 😬 Panic permeated the house this morning.😧

I'll watch it after grocery shopping. 😁

[Drogo]

9 hours ago, Kiss my mutt said:

I think Liam just went over to show off his spiffy hat. 

My favorite thing about Liam now is the way he exits every tense room like The Man With No Name. 

[Drogo]

1 hour ago, Meowwww said:

Liam gave his game away: “ if she has another baby she won’t care about me anymore” and “if she has another baby she won’t pay for me/give me money anymore”. 

She's going to devote all her time   give all her attention   risk her life   spend all my money on that kid! 

[kacesq]

I don’t think Aladdin is a good guy because whenever I start to think that I remember how he blocked Laura and didn’t respond to her when she annoyed him in some way. I think he’s very smooth and manipulative. That doesn’t mean Liam didn’t act like a complete child. First it’s ridiculous to get worked up over the prospect of the new baby because it is not gonna happen without a ton of medical intervention and even then it’s not a sure thing. Does Laura have other kids?

[RealReality]

Sounds like Laura once again gets away with being the innocent "victim" in the middle of all this.  

Liam is a product of his upbringing.  If he is too dependent on Laura financially and/or emotionally you can bet your bottom dollar that Laura has encouraged it because she didn't want to be "lonely" between relationships.  

In Laura's world you'll focus on Liam being a jerk and aladin being "abusive"  and you'll never notice what shit Laura is up to. 

3 minutes ago, kacesq said:

I don’t think Aladdin is a good guy because whenever I start to think that I remember how he blocked Laura and didn’t respond to her when she annoyed him in some way. I think he’s very smooth and manipulative. That doesn’t mean Liam didn’t act like a complete child. First it’s ridiculous to get worked up over the prospect of the new baby because it is not gonna happen without a ton of medical intervention and even then it’s not a sure thing. Does Laura have other kids?

Laura is manipulative and enjoys playing the victim.  She always seems to be spoiling for a fight.  If I were aladin I'd probably block her too.  He generally just leaves when she tries to start shit and I think it drives her nuts.  

[TipseyGirl]

1 hour ago, lu1535 said:

What a blow I was dealt this morning! I woke up to find Sling hadn't recorded this episode and I had a hard time finding it On Demand! 😬 Panic permeated the house this morning.😧

I'll watch it after grocery shopping. 😁

I hope that was followed up by some good and loud wailing and rending of clothes.

Edited September 24, 2019 by TipseyGirl

[kacesq]

6 minutes ago, RealReality said:

Sounds like Laura once again gets away with being the innocent "victim" in the middle of all this.  

Liam is a product of his upbringing.  If he is too dependent on Laura financially and/or emotionally you can bet your bottom dollar that Laura has encouraged it because she didn't want to be "lonely" between relationships.  

In Laura's world you'll focus on Liam being a jerk and aladin being "abusive"  and you'll never notice what shit Laura is up to. 

Laura is manipulative and enjoys playing the victim.  She always seems to be spoiling for a fight.  If I were aladin I'd probably block her too.  He generally just leaves when she tries to start shit and I think it drives her nuts.  

I agree that Laura is also manipulative and enjoys playing the victim. Look how she behaved thru her whole wedding extravaganza...all woe is me.  In a way Aladdin and Laura may be well matched. If it works, it works but if it doesn’t, it’s going to be one of the ugliest ends in franchise history imo.

forgot to mention Jihoon...so his story went from “finding lost phones” to selling stolen phones in China. So either he’s stupid or the man child act is...just that...an act. Either way, this is why you don’t marry a guy you barely know, Deavan...

[Pepper Mostly]

8 hours ago, Barbara Please said:

Jihoon may be immature, but he's super funny. They make a good couple. She's serious and will balance out his childishness, and he'll make her laugh, and help her chill out a bit. Deaven looks so much cuter with less makeup on.

Jihoon cracks my shit up. If Deavan would lighten up a bit I figure they have just as good a chance at happiness as anyone. I can't help but think his "criminal" past is largely fictitious, drummed up by Sharp because they can't make modern, bustling, up to the minute Seoul look like a third world toilet, so they have to portray Jihoon as some sort of crime boss. Because you simply cannot trust a foreign person, by their lights. They are slippery, like raw squid that you eat on a dare at the fish market, the like of which is never seen in that exemplar of civilization, Utah.

7 hours ago, mamadrama said:

I think their storyline is a big pile of dog poo. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they've pulled a Molly and Luis and are already married. I think they're doing the show for entertainment and maybe some exposure for their "bar." 

My guess is that on the very last episode Evil Lyn will finally have a come to Jesus moment and realize that Corey is the love of her life and proclaim her love for him and they'll get married just in the nick of time...

Agreed. I think Corey and Evilyn are punking us all. She can barely contain her laughter sometimes. And they are very comfortable together.

[Dobian]

What is it with these guys who want kids attaching themselves to fifty-plus year old hags?  Micheal with "Smokey Joe" Angela.  Aladdin with Laura.  Doesn't Sumit want kids?  He family sure does and even got him a wife to do it, since Granny Jenny is an old model with too much mileage.  Didn't these guys ever learn about reproduction?  Don't they realize that even with the slim chance of making it work with transplanted embryos or surrogacy, it will cost thousands of dollars they don't have?

[Jeanne222]

I think it's all about the money and being on tv!  It has to be huge money in Africa and India!

[Drogo]

12 minutes ago, RealReality said:

In Laura's world you'll focus on Liam being a jerk and aladin being "abusive"  and you'll never notice what shit Laura is up to. 

It's possible find flaws in all three of these players so even with some criticism headed Liam's way there's likely not a soul living in Laura's World.  (I also think Laura's World probably reeks of coochie cream, biscuits and natural gas, but I've never visited.)

• Laura is easily the worst because she's no babe in the woods, she has the seasoning to know how poorly a relationship based on nothing but one-sided physical attraction can turn out and a son who she apparently treats like a therapist when it goes south. 
• Aladin is a controlling dude- while he's winning his blonde antique-trophy wife and deciding the course of her uterus for her, he'll just as quickly disappear and block her if she talks too much for his liking. 
• Liam is naive for sure, but also an able-bodied and able-minded adult capable of living independently.  Of the 3 he's the most innocent, but I have a special shaker of salt for kids who believe their parents' money is theirs and it shouldn't be spent as they (the parents/earners) see fit.  He lost me with 'If she has another baby she'll spend all her money on them." 

[lh25]

I don't get Evelin.  How can she not realize that if she doesn't marry Corey, he'll have to leave the country when his visa runs out...oh, wait.  I think I answered my own question.

[islandgal140]

During the Corey Evelin skype call, I paid no attention to the dialogue and spent all my time looking in the background half expecting some dude dressed in nothing but a towel wrapped around his waist to walk by. That is how highly I think of Evelin. 

As far as scammers go, I like Aladin. I seem to remember him coming with stacks and stacks of cash of his own money for the wedding. I think it is a plus that he actually seemed to have paid for at least part of the wedding.  Shows he has skin in the game. He's better than most of the other Arab dudes that have so far been featured on the show, which probably ain't saying much.  

Edited September 24, 2019 by islandgal140

[Lady Iris]

I watched the 90 Day Fiancee featuring Mohammed and Danielle's story with my mom bec she's just jumped on this crazy bandwagon. I gotta give credit to Aladin bec if he's in it for the long game he's putting on the best show we've seen of any guy from an Arab country.

[Iamthatmom]

1 hour ago, kacesq said:

I don’t think Aladdin is a good guy because whenever I start to think that I remember how he blocked Laura and didn’t respond to her when she annoyed him in some way. I think he’s very smooth and manipulative. That doesn’t mean Liam didn’t act like a complete child. First it’s ridiculous to get worked up over the prospect of the new baby because it is not gonna happen without a ton of medical intervention and even then it’s not a sure thing. Does Laura have other kids?

...I think blocking someone is just a form of setting boundaries. She was acting jealous and he essentially said no...that’s now how I want to live. I’ve blocked family members because they couldn’t respect my peacefulness.

[renatae]

12 hours ago, Christina said:

There have been some "production leaks" that I am not going to say here, but I mention because they claim that Liam had been done dirty by production and editing several times in the show and I think tonight's argument where he is saying that he draws the line at his mom having kids is going to turn out to be one of them.

Oooh, can you point me in the right direction? There doesn't seem to be a thread on this show which deals with outside info. Thanks!

[politichick]

3 hours ago, libgirl2 said:

I am starting to think so too. What a wedding party!

Well, I don't know if Aladdin really loves Laura, in part because I can't imagine why such a handsome and seemingly thoughtful young man would latch onto that, but at least he's scamming her in style, doesn't seem to be taking any money from her and has a transferable skill with which he can earn a living in the U.S.

I don't know what Liam's story is, but he needs to grow the fuck up. I was impressed by how Aladdin handled him and his sorry ass mother when discussing her sad ass son.

[libgirl2]

12 hours ago, Frozendiva said:

Laura did look like a walking Christmas tree.

Deaven, maybe it isn't the best idea to move all the way to South Korea to marry a dude you barely know. So you have a child together. You don't have to commit yourself to him.  Maybe if you were a few years older, had a job, etc. things would be different. Your little fling with the dude did not show you who he was and if he would be a good partner for you. Kid first and then getting to know the guy doesn't always work.

Corey, go back to the US. Evelin wants your inheritance and not marriage. There won't be any change for a long time so a month is not going to change her mind.

Better a tree than a hobbit like Avery! Yikes! 

For me Deavan seems to have her head on fairly straight. I think she can handle the finances fine. She seems serious and focused much better than I thought she would be. 

No way will Evelin marry Corey. Buh-bye Corey. Unless we are getting punked and they already are married. 

4 minutes ago, politichick said:

Well, I don't know if Aladdin really loves Laura, in part because I can't imagine why such a handsome and seemingly thoughtful young man would latch onto that, but at least he's scamming her in style, doesn't seem to be taking any money from her and has a transferable skill with which he can earn a living in the U.S.

I don't know what Liam's story is, but he needs to grow the fuck up. I was impressed by how Aladdin handled him and his sorry ass mother when discussing her sad ass son.

Its turning into an expensive scam if that is the case. How much money does this woman have??

[Mrs. Hanson]

1 hour ago, Dobian said:

What is it with these guys who want kids attaching themselves to fifty-plus year old hags? 

Same with Corey but with a twist - "I always wanted to be married and be a dad so I will hook up with a hottie who never wants kids or to be married."

[LGGirl]

1 hour ago, Dobian said:

What is it with these guys who want kids attaching themselves to fifty-plus year old hags?  Micheal with "Smokey Joe" Angela.  Aladdin with Laura.  Doesn't Sumit want kids?  He family sure does and even got him a wife to do it, since Granny Jenny is an old model with too much mileage.  Didn't these guys ever learn about reproduction?  Don't they realize that even with the slim chance of making it work with transplanted embryos or surrogacy, it will cost thousands of dollars they don't have?

These these guys are idiots.   The older women are the scammers.  I’m well over 50 and there is no way I would want have another baby let alone raise one.  

These woman want young studs so desperately  and will say anything to nab them.  What they seem to forget that these guys, in their culture, can divorce or seek another wife in order to have kids.   At some point, this will all fall apart.  

[nr65000]

16 minutes ago, LGGirl said:

These these guys are idiots.   The older women are the scammers.  I’m well over 50 and there is no way I would want have another baby let alone raise one.  

These woman want young studs so desperately  and will say anything to nab them.  What they seem to forget that these guys, in their culture, can divorce or seek another wife in order to have kids.   At some point, this will all fall apart.  

As an over-50 woman myself, I really, REALLY do not understand this.  Why in the world do they think that a very young, very attractive man from a foreign country would be genuinely interested in a romantic involvement with them when the same can't be said for the same demographic here in America. The same goes for the old foolish men who seek out young hot girls overseas.  These relationships are strictly transactional based on what each person can give the other.  Why would a rational woman of 50+ want some young kid...it's absurd to me.  They are in completely different stages of life.  To start over (even if it were possible) with a newborn at their age seems ill advised to say the least.  I know this sounds judgmental but I just don't get it.  I am a runner, work really hard to stay in good shape and generally think I look ok for being my age, but I would never in a million years believe some hot 20 something guy would be legitimately attracted to me and I would never use filters to lure in some young dude.  I would be mortified when he actually saw me!

[greekmom]

1 hour ago, libgirl2 said:

Its turning into an expensive scam if that is the case. How much money does this woman have??

I don't think it's the cash in this instance. I think it's the fact that thinks she will get the spousal visa for him which then he can work in the States. I can't wait for that crap to hit the fan and he finds out he cannot go to the States. 

13 hours ago, Christina said:

There have been some "production leaks" that I am not going to say here, but I mention because they claim that Liam had been done dirty by production and editing several times in the show and I think tonight's argument where he is saying that he draws the line at his mom having kids is going to turn out to be one of them. Apparently, he doesn't speak short and concisely, and when he does, he leaves gaping holes in his sentences, which leaves a lot of room for his words to be twisted and he didn't realize the manipulations with the questions he was being fed. 

THANK YOU!!  I feel that Liam has really gotten the short end of the stick here with production being so heavy handed with him.  There is alot going on in the background of Liam-Laura relationship.

[Lady Iris]

And if he had a t-shirt printed with a filtered pic that you walked beside...

So much mortification baby.

[libgirl2]

5 minutes ago, nr65000 said:

As an over-50 woman myself, I really, REALLY do not understand this.  Why in the world do they think that a very young, very attractive man from a foreign country would be genuinely interested in a romantic involvement with them when the same can't be said for the same demographic here in America. The same goes for the old foolish men who seek out young hot girls overseas.  These relationships are strictly transactional based on what each person can give the other.  Why would a rational woman of 50+ want some young kid...it's absurd to me.  They are in completely different stages of life.  To start over (even if it were possible) with a newborn at their age seems ill advised to say the least.  I know this sounds judgmental but I just don't get it.  I am a runner, work really hard to stay in good shape and generally think I look ok for being my age, but I would never in a million years believe some hot 20 something guy would be legitimately attracted to me and I would never use filters to lure in some young dude.  I would be mortified when he actually saw me!

I have to agree. I'm fine with younger men, within reason. My husband is 4 years younger and a classmate of mine's husband is 9 years younger (and he looks her age). For me about 10 years is the limit. 

[Bryce Lynch]

2 hours ago, Dobian said:

What is it with these guys who want kids attaching themselves to fifty-plus year old hags?  Micheal with "Smokey Joe" Angela.  Aladdin with Laura.  Doesn't Sumit want kids?  He family sure does and even got him a wife to do it, since Granny Jenny is an old model with too much mileage.  Didn't these guys ever learn about reproduction?  Don't they realize that even with the slim chance of making it work with transplanted embryos or surrogacy, it will cost thousands of dollars they don't have?

There is a lot of reproductive wishful thinking on these 90 Day shows.

IMO, all the young guys attaching themselves to the old hags are in it strictly for the green card and/or money.  They have zero affection or attraction towards these women.  

No guy wants to be with a woman who is 20 years older than him and looks 30 or 40 years older.  

These couples remind me of Jack Black and Cloris Leachman in the fake movie, "Mrs. Albert Hannaday", on "The Office".

"Lilly no. Lilly! Lilly please! Lilly stop! I don't care how much time we have left. I don't care what my friends say. And I don't care what your mom thinks! Frankly I'm pretty sure she's not making any sense! Please, move back to my apartment. Lilly, I'm not givin' up. I'm not givin' up. Lilly. Lilly! Push the reverse button! Reverse the button!"

[nr65000]

2 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

I have to agree. I'm fine with younger men, within reason. My husband is 4 years younger and a classmate of mine's husband is 9 years younger (and he looks her age). For me about 10 years is the limit. 

Yes same.  My husband was 5 years younger...10 years is about the max for myself as well.