S14.E04: Breakdown In Beverly Hills

[JAYJAY1979]

8 minutes ago, Quita said:

I'm pretty sure Emily's hair, along with the rest of the cast, is mostly extensions. 

She makes me realize that, in comparison to her, I've made some excellent life choices, so there's that.

And she will be groveling to Shannon as well:)

[Andi27]

5 minutes ago, goofygirl said:

So... My question is: DID SHANE PASS THAT FREAKING BAR EXAM?????  Because the guy has been studying for months now, out of his house. At the library. At Mom's house. IN A FREAKING HOTEL FOR 10 BLOODY DAYS!!   Really? Seriously? Is he a MORON? Or is Emily?

Bar exams are very hard, and I can't even imagine how much more pressure it is trying to take it a third time, so I can cut Shane some slack on the studying away from home thing. BUT his general attitude towards his wife and children while doing this is so poor, as if he blames THEM for his situation, bothers me a lot.

[inandout]

8 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

I don't want to see any of them again.  They need to cut this family from the roster.  I may be a party of 1 but I MUCH prefer Shane to his wife, mother, sister.  But for ease, cut the whole kit and kaboodle.  

I want to see Tamra and her trashy family go first,  We've had to put up with them for 12 seasons now.  The good news is that her loser son, Ryan said he has quit the show.  Unfortunately, it took him threatening physical violence against his ex.  Pathetic.

[Duke2801]

So Shane has gone 10 days without checking in and seeing how his KIDS are doing? And Emily, this is the man you wanted to have yet another baby with last year?? Good lord. Dysfunctional family dynamics to say the least.

On 8/26/2019 at 11:17 AM, Aim123 said:

I live in L.A. and the older Persian women dress as such--might be a cultural thing? Here is my take: Shane is gay. Very gay. His mother wanted him to marry/have kids, and he did, to please his crazy-ass mother. So now, he has dumped his wife off on his mother like, "here, you wanted this, here you go." All parties are moving forward without him.

Shane is clearly very off. Way off. But if he was gay, why go through the charade of marrying one woman, having kids, divorcing her—then doing it all over again? Seems like a lot of work. 

46 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Gina wears a size 26 in pants? I wear a size 26 and am under 5’ and 90 lbs. Do I need to consider losing weight? She just made me feel fat. OR does LA downsize their clothes so the people buying them feel better? 

I’m confused. Why would Gina wearing a size 26 make you feel fat? She’s a very slim woman (and I’m sure even slimmer in person). 

[Coffeewinewater]

24 minutes ago, chewycandy said:

I just want to fast forward to the reunion already so Kelly can give Tamra what she deserves. 

This this this!!

[DeeplyShallow]

55 minutes ago, Mindthinkr said:

Gina wears a size 26 in pants? I wear a size 26 and am under 5’ and 90 lbs. Do I need to consider losing weight? She just made me feel fat. OR does LA downsize their clothes so the people buying them feel better? 

Is this for real? In what world, even in LA (where I live) is Gina fat?

[SnarkAttack]

16 minutes ago, Quita said:

I'm pretty sure Emily's hair, along with the rest of the cast, is mostly extensions. 

She makes me realize that, in comparison to her, I've made some excellent life choices, so there's that.

Isn't that why we watch these women, to make us feel good about ourselves?  I know I do!

[Dance4Life]

10 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

So Shane has gone 10 days without checking in and seeing how his KIDS are doing? And Emily, this is the man you wanted to have yet another baby with last year?? Good lord. Dysfunctional family dynamics to say the least.

Shane is clearly very off. Way off. But if he was gay, why go through the charade of marrying one woman, having kids, divorcing her—then doing it all over again? Seems like a lot of work. 

I’m confused. Why would Gina wearing a size 26 make you feel fat? She’s a very slim woman (and I’m sure even slimmer in person). 

Is there a different size/category of clothes?  

Because, I wear 24 in jeans and the size of Lydia. 

Gina is a big boned tall girl.

How come she looks like a different person in the talking-head?  Is that a wig she is wearing?

[Duke2801]

7 minutes ago, Dance4Life said:

Is there a different size/category of clothes?  

Because, I wear 24 in jeans and the size of Lydia. 

Gina is a big boned tall girl.

How come she looks like a different person in the talking-head?  Is that a wig she is wearing?

What constitutes her being “big boned”? 

She has her hair bleached in her TH.

[breezy424]

This train thing is really all on Tamra.  She was the one who brought it up.  She's the one who asked Vicks if she was talking about the train.  She doesn't want anyone to talk about rumors about Eddie but she's the one who introduced the rumor about Kelly.

I don't have a problem with Braun giving Kelly a heads up about the train.  Kelly deserved to know especially since the scene was filmed and there was no doubt that this would make it on air.

Emily and Gina are depressing and uninteresting.  I don't follow any of these women on SM so I was a little lost on Emily's so called nasty posts.

But hey, we got a little flashback of Archie!

[Pickles]

What kind of people does Vicki know, who have detailed info about Kelli and a train?? It is horrifying and disturbing. 

[dosodog]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

Tamra- “We must never speak of this again!  The train!  That’s what we must never speak of!  The rumor is that there were 8 men involved in the train.  Of which we must never speak!  Just to be clear-  We must never speak of the train when Kelly had sex with 8 men in a row.  That’s the train I’m talking about.  No other train.  That train.  The one with eight men and Kelly.  Never speak of it!”

1 hour ago, nexxie said:

So, with every talking head, Tamra adds a bit more to the train story - now it’s eight guys from behind. She’s disgusting.

And then has the audacity to say she's innocent and it's Vicki and Shannon spreading the rumors around.

Way to throw Shannon under the train.  

 

[Bronzedog]

48 minutes ago, goofygirl said:

So... My question is: DID SHANE PASS THAT FREAKING BAR EXAM?????  Because the guy has been studying for months now, out of his house. At the library. At Mom's house. IN A FREAKING HOTEL FOR 10 BLOODY DAYS!!   Really? Seriously? Is he a MORON? Or is Emily?

And the whole train business.... Did I get this right? Kelly called Vicky FAT and that she looked like a Pig.  That's mean. But.... Vicky slams back at Kelly with she's a COKEHEAD and does some weird sexual shit with 8 guys???

Jeebus.

From what I've read on other forums, Shane DID NOT pass the Bar.  He is, however, still an a-hole.  Always and forever.

[Dance4Life]

13 minutes ago, Duke2801 said:

What constitutes her being “big boned”? 

She has her hair bleached in her TH.

Your bones are big but you are not necessarily  fat.  Your weight is distributed more or less evenly. Your stomach is flat.

Emily is built like this, too.  She looked good in her exercise clothes because she has a flat stomach. She can probably benefit from breast reduction, though. Giving her a matronly heavy look.

Big bones also show up on your face.  Emily,  Vicky, Gina, Shannon all have big faces.

I brought this up the other episode with Shannon’s  girls.  The older girl is big boned.  The twins are petite.

For me the housewife with the best body is Melissa Gorga.  Though, Cynthia is the most beautiful. 

[FairyDusted]

Gina's jeans....25 inch waist. I buy my 24's the same way. Just way shorter.

[pinky33]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I don’t think you empower people with negative thoughts. How the hell did tamra not burst into flames saying that?

When she said that, I actually yelled at my TV "Are you f...ing kidding me?!"

Of all people to say that....

[islandgal140]

Based on this episode, I am gonna assume that Jesus broke up with Tamra and she is back to being Satan's power bottom. Or maybe she is having  a train run on her by Satan and 7 of hell's most notorious demons. 

[Dance4Life]

This is crazy!  8 guys! I believe it.  Kelly is acting super suspect. I think she has a drug and drinking problem.  And, likes to party. Obviously, found herself at the wrong....party! Probably an invite from her drug dealer.

I also feel the train chat  needs to stop.  If something like this happened.....it is actually really sad.  And, the result of something more serious like a drug and drinking problem. 

And, a high probability Kelly was drugged....roofied, etc. 

They should be reaching out to Kelly and offer support.  

Ask her if she needs help going to rehab.....etc. 

Tamra is going about this all wrong!  WTF is her problem?

Not only is it being presented as a ‘rumor’........but, think about Jolie! 

Tamra is getting way too much pleasure and it is not cool.

A train is more like a rape.

 As a mother who also struggles to balance this show and parenting (Sydney) she should show some compassion towards Jolie.

Also, do y’all remember how Tamra was getting pleasure when Gretchen got drunk at her party.......and, Ryan was trying to take advantage of her?

Tamra wanted it all on camera. She is sick getting off on this stuff.

[Dance4Life]

12 minutes ago, Shannah Banana said:

In my travels this is what I found on this disgusting subject.

A train is when a consenting female has dudes lined up, and they go one after the other.  A gang bang is when the female is messed up out of her mind, and a bunch of guys take advantage of it, and go one right after the other, which is rape.

A threesome is just a boring old threesome and MAYBE what Kelli did.  Maybe.  Allegedly. 

Well....then it was an eight-some.   And, Kelly is what they call ...insatiable. 

I doubt it was consensual. It is obvious Kelly has a drug and drinking problem.  

[Bronzedog]

So, do we think Kelly was Amtraked or not?

[swankie]

2 hours ago, TexasGal said:

This conversation, which we are having while we are mic’ed and then also discussing in talking heads in front of camera, will NEVER go any FURTHER!!!  It’s all Vicki, we agree!

Love how Tamra is the one that actually blurted out, "Are you talking about the train?", yet it's Vicki that's spreading the rumor.   And someone says Shannon Beador told them Emily and Gina will be gone from the show, Emily reacts, but she's wrong because it's only hearsay.  You should NEVER believe Jeff Lewis.  We all know he lies!  (eyeroll)  I'm really not liking the new Shannon.  She's just as annoying as the old Shannon.  And yeah Tamra, Emily is insecure because she went after Kelly at your stupid party for talking bad about her husband.  We all know that's way different from you throwing a drink in Jeana Keough's face for talking about Simon. (eyeroll)   And yeah Shannon, how dare Emily get emotional and vent to her friend.  We all know you've never done that ever on this show. (eyeroll,)

[Dance4Life]

1 minute ago, Bronzedog said:

So, do we think Kelly was Amtraked or not?

No lawyer...so, yea! 

Even the lawyer is talking about it.

Freakin Emily even initiated the train convo in BH.

Gina is back to drinking?

Wasn’t she avoiding drinking last episode?

[ninjago]

Other than Emily, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that any of these women had, at some time, had a train run on them.  

They all drink and party a lot, even now, and, probably more importantly, they all have shown to have terrible taste in men, keeping company with creepy, sleazy, manipulators.  Between being drunk, high and/or coerced, yeah, it’s not that shocking.

Gina has drunk in every episode.  Sometimes she orders something NA, but it’s jumped out at me that she drinks in every episode.  Just for the optics, I’d think she’d refrain from drinking on camera, especially when she is driving.

Edited August 28, 2019 by ninjago

[dosodog]

25 minutes ago, Bronzedog said:

So, do we think Kelly was Amtraked or not?

I don't want to know.  If she was a willing participant. Okay. She's an adult. Not my scene, but people do what people do.

If she wasn't, then she's being publically outed when it should be up to her to decide to come forward and that adds even more anguish to an already horrible attack.

If she didn't, that rumor is out there forever.  Or until civilization loses the internet. And it's not just her who suffers. Jolie. Jolie is now dealing with this.

She's not an adult.  She's just an early teen.  She knows what a train is.  Think about that Tamra.  Vicki may have started this lie, but Tamra put it out there on national TV.  And complicated a kid's life.

 

Beverly Hills:  Let's ruin this show by talking ad nauseam about a puppy landing up at a shelter and putting rumors out there no one can prove.

OC: Hold my Spicy Skinny Margarita. We've got a train to catch.

 

Vicki's Family Van.  Tamra's conducting the train.

Edited August 28, 2019 by dosodog

[DivaLasVegas82]

I was disappointed that Shannon made a joke about Emily crying when she cried for several seasons because she was in a bad marriage and didn't know a way out. I think Emily is going thru the same thing. But unlike Shannon who was very transparent about her martial issues, Emily is very secretive. I don't know why she joined this show if she didn't want to be honest about her marriage. 

[swankie]

About this train mess.  It's just so junior high school.  I remember it's the kind of rumor you would start about a girl who stole your boyfriend or something.  I can't believe these middle aged women are going there.  I guess this was the best Vicki could come up with to get back at Kelly for calling her a pig.  I'm surprised she didn't spread that Kelly had cooties.  Same mentality.  smdh

[swankie]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

From what I've read on other forums, Shane DID NOT pass the Bar.  He is, however, still an a-hole.  Always and forever.

The Bar exam is no joke.  JFK junior failed it twice before passing on his third try.  I really feel for Emily if Shane failed a third time.  I bet he's a triple douche now.  

[peaceknit]

2 hours ago, Duke2801 said:

She has her hair bleached in her TH.

That light blonde looks awful on her. She should stick with the highlights, which are nicely done.

[DivaLasVegas82]

1 hour ago, Bronzedog said:

So, do we think Kelly was Amtraked or not?

I don't know, and I don't really care. It's her personal business. 

21 minutes ago, swankie said:

The Bar exam is no joke.  JFK junior failed it twice before passing on his third try.  I really feel for Emily if Shane failed a third time.  I bet he's a triple douche now.  

True. A lot of people don't pass the bar on their first try and some on their second. But I just don't buy that Shane has to spend all his time studying for the bar, especially away from home. Since he's taken the test, he should already be familiar with it and just be able to concentrate on the parts that he didn't pass.

[DivaLasVegas82]

2 hours ago, Dance4Life said:

Your bones are big but you are not necessarily  fat.  Your weight is distributed more or less evenly. Your stomach is flat.

Emily is built like this, too.  She looked good in her exercise clothes because she has a flat stomach. She can probably benefit from breast reduction, though. Giving her a matronly heavy look.

Big bones also show up on your face.  Emily,  Vicky, Gina, Shannon all have big faces.

I brought this up the other episode with Shannon’s  girls.  The older girl is big boned.  The twins are petite.

For me the housewife with the best body is Melissa Gorga.  Though, Cynthia is the most beautiful. 

I agree with this post. I never understood why people say Emily is fat. She's just big boned to me, and the fact that she's tall gives her an advantage. If she was Tamra's height, she would look a lot heavier because shorter people tend not to carry extra weight well.

On 8/25/2019 at 1:44 AM, AntAnn said:

I was starting to like Emily this season, but not into watching her dance for her man who doesn’t care. 

Exactly. I feel sorry for her desperately trying to get attention from a man who is just not that into her. I loved when Kelly said Shane is not a "man's man." Truer words never spoken.

[DivaLasVegas82]

On 8/26/2019 at 11:17 AM, Aim123 said:

I live in L.A. and the older Persian women dress as such--might be a cultural thing? Here is my take: Shane is gay. Very gay. His mother wanted him to marry/have kids, and he did, to please his crazy-ass mother. So now, he has dumped his wife off on his mother like, "here, you wanted this, here you go." All parties are moving forward without him.

I'll admit that I've had my doubts about Shane being straight because he doesn't seem like he's even remotely attracted to Emily, but I wonder why would Emily agree to marry a man who is gay and have children with him? She's attractive woman who is educated and is an attorney. Surely, she could have found another man to marry her aside from Shane.

[NYCFree]

43 minutes ago, swankie said:

The Bar exam is no joke.  JFK junior failed it twice before passing on his third try.  I really feel for Emily if Shane failed a third time.  I bet he's a triple douche now.  

My immigrant dad was not only proud of me for passing the NY Bar, he was particularly pleased that I passed it on the first try, besting a president’s son.

Shane has no excuse for being radio silent for ten days.

Emily is going to implode/explode from the stress of trying to maintain normalcy when her home life has gone to hell.

[Jextella]

On 8/28/2019 at 12:38 AM, DivaLasVegas82 said:

I'll admit that I've had my doubts about Shane being straight because he doesn't seem like he's even remotely attracted to Emily, but I wonder why would Emily agree to marry a man who is gay and have children with him? She's attractive woman who is educated and is an attorney. Surely, she could have found another man to marry her aside from Shane.

I agree, but there are perks to Shane.  He's buttoned-up which I think Emily appreciates, and his family is wealthy.  If nothing else, Shane brings a bit of order and dough.

I don't think Shane is gay.  If anything, I think he has short-stature syndrome.  He plays tough because he is overcompensating for his height and probably other things.

I do have a few beefs with Emily.  It takes two to tango in all things, and she seems a bit needy in general and exhausting to be with.

I also don't like that she put on camera Shane's failed attempts at passing the bar.  She is doing him no favors with blurting that out to the world.

Edited August 30, 2019 by Jextella

[MajorNelson]

Tamra keeps stirring the pot with every chance she gets, then in the TH acts innocents and absolves herself of any blame.

She even said in a TH that gossip was bad!

[MajorNelson]

3 hours ago, breezy424 said:

I don't have a prblem with Braun giving Kelly a heads up about the train.  Kelly deserved to know especially since the scene was filmed and there was no doubt that this would make it on air.

I don't either.  That stuff was bad and Kelly deserved to know.  Then at the luncheon side discussion after the call with Jolie, when Shannon comes over Kelly says she questions Shannon's friendship by NOT telling her

[MajorNelson]

3 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

Based on this episode, I am gonna assume that Jesus broke up with Tamra and she is back to being Satan's power bottom. Or maybe she is having  a train run on her by Satan and 7 of hell's most notorious demons. 

I couldn't believe her statement that "lashing out is NORMAL."

I came up with some alternatives she might have been aware of:

-Turn the other cheek
-Love your enemies
-If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with everyone.

 

[ivygirl]

Loved the shot of Villa Blanca... I’m a tiny bit surprised that they decided not to go there. 

“Why is [Emily] so quick to fight!?!?” Tamra was full of it amazing sayings tonight. 

[MajorNelson]

Near the beginning when Shannon was at Tamra's house....Shannon looked bad w/o makeup.

Then on the emotional front, at BH when Shannon was demanding an apology (or stating that Emily should have said/done such n such the day of the tweet), I say it shows Shannon's attachment to feeling worthless and powerless.

[Kiki777]

I usually like Shannon, but wanted to slap her tonight.  Grumbling about not going an hour without drama??  Bitch, every episode of the last 2 seasons was The Sadness of Shannon telenovela!

Gina is two-faced and a terrible friend to Emily.

Tamra is pure evil.

I don't believe the rumor at all.  While Tamra helped spread it, Vicki set the ball rolling.  And while Kelly's anger seems extreme, I get where it comes from.  Someone she barely knows (Brauny) warned her of the rumor while her so-called friends Shannon and Tamra did not.

[CrinkleCutCat]

Emily is a very unhappy woman 😔

[Duke2801]

6 hours ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

Emily is a very unhappy woman 😔

I’d be unhappy too if I was married to that  little weasel Shane. Why she ever entered into that marriage in the first place is truly mind-boggling. I highly doubt he was some charismatic and sweet charmer before they were hitched. 

Edited August 28, 2019 by Duke2801

[CrinkleCutCat]

1 hour ago, Duke2801 said:

I’d be unhappy too if I was married to that  little weasel Shane. Why she ever entered into that mairriage in the first place is truly mind-boggling. I highly doubt he was some charismatic and sweet charmer before they were hitched. 

I agree... I just can’t understand why she married him. I think all her unhappiness is bubbling over now after many years of trying to squash it down. She sold her true self for the sake of the life she wanted (I presume) which was that of wife and mother, without realising you really do need to be true to yourself, and part of that is being in a relationship with someone you love/respect who also loves and respects you. Shane is making it very hard for her to ignore that she bought the dream at the expense of her happiness (although I don’t doubt she loves being a mother, sometimes that isn’t enough)

[Coffeewinewater]

7 hours ago, islandgal140 said:

Based on this episode, I am gonna assume that Jesus broke up with Tamra and she is back to being Satan's power bottom. Or maybe she is having  a train run on her by Satan and 7 of hell's most notorious demons. 

Yep, Jesus said I can't with this bitch!

"Satan's power bottom" 😂😂😂

[SweetieDarling]

1 hour ago, Duke2801 said:

I’d be unhappy too if I was married to that  little weasel Shane. Why she ever entered into that mairriage in the first place is truly mind-boggling. I highly doubt he was some charismatic and sweet charmer before they were hitched. 

I have a feeling they each had very different expectations of what their marriage would be like. I think Emily wanted a happy, romantic, fun marriage to an involved husband and father. Shane just wanted to marry to his best friend, no extra effort, or behavior changes necessary.

Oh, and Emily wanted to have fun with Shane's mother and sister, while enjoying the lifestyle being related to them affords.

Edited August 28, 2019 by SweetieDarling

[Lizzing]

On 8/26/2019 at 1:00 PM, KungFuBunny said:

I wonder if the event planning is a family business or partnership between (Emily and her sister-in-law)

Yup. http://twopartyplanners.com

9 hours ago, Quita said:

I'm pretty sure Emily's hair, along with the rest of the cast, is mostly extensions. 

When she turned her head over dancing, it sure looked like there were those glued in tracks of extensions.

8 hours ago, Pickles said:

What kind of people does Vicki know, who have detailed info about Kelli and a train?? It is horrifying and disturbing. 

Ten to one, if there really is a source that isn't Vicki's imagination or Michael Dodd, it is Brooks or Brooks-related.  She has a knack for hanging out with unsavory people and he probably expanded her rolodex of such characters. 

This season is just so damn dark.  Even in the worst seasons, there's usually some levity early on, like Tamra busting her foot in Mexico last year.  Even BH last season had a touch of levity (even if that largely surrounded grocery shopping involving either (a) an absurdly small car or (b)  buying $700 worth of food for one night for women who don't eat).  But so far, there's nothing fun here aside from some ep 1 Kelly malaprops, which were totally unintentional and don't really count.  Worse yet, aside from the rumor about Kelly, all the darkness is divorce  stuff we've seen so. many. times.  And worse even further, I do not care about these divorces.  We never met Matt, and the way Gina acted from the jump, it was apparent that he was screwing around on her.  Emily introduced her marriage as one of convenience, wrapped up in an "aww, aren't we cute?" story about engagement via Gchat.  And then we all met Shane, Ryan's doppelganger with cheap bridgework.  I can't care about their marriage.  The only way that story will get interesting is if she, Pary, and Shireen get together to bump him off and it ends up on Dateline.  

I say scrap this season and just do a "Behind the Music" style docuseries on Cherry Bomb.  I wanna know more and hear some of that music.

Edited August 28, 2019 by Lizzing
Typos

[Coffeewinewater]

7 hours ago, swankie said:

About this train mess.  It's just so junior high school.  I remember it's the kind of rumor you would start about a girl who stole your boyfriend or something.  I can't believe these middle aged women are going there.  I guess this was the best Vicki could come up with to get back at Kelly for calling her a pig.  I'm surprised she didn't spread that Kelly had cooties.  Same mentality.  smdh

Omg, you are right. I think the last time I heard that phrase was in middle school,( back then we called it Jr. High). I'm almost 46 yrs old so it was a while ago. I was shocked to hear them saying "she had a train pulled on her"  I was like what the wha? Am I 15?

[Keywestclubkid]

3 hours ago, Kiki777 said:

I usually like Shannon, but wanted to slap her tonight.  Grumbling about not going an hour without drama??  Bitch, every episode of the last 2 seasons was The Sadness of Shannon telenovela!

Thank you!!!! I was like did she fall and hit her head and forget all the crap she has cried about and she is gonna have the nerve to bitch about crying? Roll the tape..... Shannon is not coming across cute at all already this season she lost the weight and gained a huge chip on her shoulder … 

[Chalby]

On 8/25/2019 at 12:59 PM, nexxie said:

The word pathetic comes to mind. Poor Emily.

Surely there’s a wonderful man out there who can swoop Emily out of her marriage and therefore, out of her funk. She’s been without a husband for 10 days and I don’t care how many nannies and cooks you have, you need to have time with your mate to talk over the day and decisions needing to be made. He is so detached from his marriage, it’s like we can see he despises his life (and he’s not too thrilled with Emily). He behaves the same way in front of his family, despite Emily always apologizing for him, so this tells me Shane really wants to pass the Bar so he can earn his own money and leave the family. I want Emily to meet a man who loves children, has humour, thinks she’s amazing, admires her work ethic, and listens to her complaints re: the HWs, but say nothing as he knows she will probably say something different next month. Really, how f***ing hard is it to be supportive?

Edited August 28, 2019 by Chalby

[65mickey]

The problem that I have with Kelly pulling the MY DAUGHTER card is in her first season on OC she and Michael both made sexual jokes about 10 yer old Jolie. When Jolie said she wanted to take dance lessons Kelly said we're trying to keep you off the pole. When Jolie said that she would toss the salad when making dinner both Michael and Kelly hooted and laughed and winked winked. What parents in their right mind turn an innocent 10 year old child's comments into something sexual and laugh at their daughter's expense, a couple of sickos. So Kelly can take a seat with her umbrage. She set tone with over sexualizing everything from the get go. But this does not excuse Vickie, Tamra and Shannon's rumormongering. They are all a bunch of classless women. 

[65mickey]

8 hours ago, ninjago said:

Other than Emily, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear that any of these women had, at some time, had a train run on them.  

They all drink and party a lot, even now, and, probably more importantly, they all have shown to have terrible taste in men, keeping company with creepy, sleazy, manipulators.  Between being drunk, high and/or coerced, yeah, it’s not that shocking.

Gina has drunk in every episode.  Sometimes she orders something NA, but it’s jumped out at me that she drinks in every episode.  Just for the optics, I’d think she’d refrain from drinking on camera, especially when she is driving.

Didn't Gina say her license was taken away for 12 months?  I don't think she is driving.