S15.E13: Week 11: Finale Part 2

[JKL845]

It is interesting that Jed never considered Haley his girlfriend. He had sex with her and told her he loved her but he was hooking up with others at the same time. Yet Haley thought of herself as Jed's girlfriend. 

[dirtypop90]

59 minutes ago, XoxoGG said:

I can't believe Hannah is about to get to bone the hottest man in the franchise even though she was a poor lead and didn't even want him on the show! It's just not fair. I totally think they will take things slow but are going to eventually get into a relationship. Who knows how long it will last. 

I'm just trying to figure out what Hannah did to deserve this.

He absolutely seems interested to me. No, he didn't touch her during ATFR. But he was turned toward her and leaning into her, almost off his seat.  Plus their comments are too synchronized, and he was randomly bringing her up on Nick's podcast and seemed bothered by Nick's suggestion of her getting another season, and she was cheesing up a storm on GMA today. It's baffling. Maybe the fact that she rejected him made her more appealing than all the women throwing themselves at him in real life? He likes a challenge? I'm just trying to make sense of this.

[LBS]

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3 minutes ago, ketchuplover said:

19 hours ago, JenE4 said:

Not to mention the other person is supposed to do the last two knocks!

I've never heard of that 😱

It's Shave and a Hair Cut (Two Bit)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shave_and_a_Haircut

That's how the almost caught Roger Rabbit because they kept on doing the knock and he couldn't resist 

 

[XoxoGG]

11 minutes ago, dirtypop90 said:

He absolutely seems interested to me. No, he didn't touch her during ATFR. But he was turned toward her and leaning into her, almost off his seat.  Plus their comments are too synchronized, and he was randomly bringing her up on Nick's podcast and seemed bothered by Nick's suggestion of her getting another season, and she was cheesing up a storm on GMA today. It's baffling. Maybe the fact that she rejected him made her more appealing than all the women throwing themselves at him in real life? He likes a challenge? I'm just trying to make sense of this.

Yeah I'm thinking the chase made him want her more. He probably doesn't get turned down a lot in life. Goodness I can't get over how lucky Hannah is even though she was brutal to watch. She's lucky Tyler seems like a great guy and not an asshole.

[ECM1231]

2 hours ago, saber5055 said:

A moment of clarity has come to me. This show is no longer about finding that Fairy Tale "true love" and hasn't been for some time. It's about ratings, creating drama to be talked about/written about long after the show has ended, resulting in more $$ in the pockets of Fleiss et. al., and the actors (yes, they are following scripts) creating a SM presence so they can live by shilling products online instead of actually having a real job. By "real job," I mean a place of business they leave their house/apartment to go to five days a week from 9-5.

One has to watch this franchise with that in mind. Still, it's entertaining to snark-post live. But it's just not real in so many ways.

Bravo!  Your post expresses perfectly the argument I am having with a close friend of mine. She is upset with me that I am so cynical about the show and how much I like to snark about it. She refuses to believe that it's no longer about finding a love connection.  She brought up all the marriages and babies that have resulted and even some of the BIP matches like Jade and Tanner and Carly and Evan. She seems to have forgotten that Carly was a mean girl on her season.  I can't stand  Jade and Tanner and abhor the whole Instagram shilling of products online. I know that Jade and Tanner have made a shit load of money doing this and bought a big old house but it really chaps my skin. My friend asked if I would not be  happy if my own child were able to do the same. For one, my kid works very hard, has two jobs which enabled him to buy his own home at the age of 28 and he would never consider making money by  becoming a SM influencer wearing the trendiest sunglasses/fashions or whatever other crap these folks shill. I just can't get behind it. 

Another problem I have is with the entire premise itself. One must have to have a healthy ego to think one is so 'extra' that they could be considered to be on this show.

I've watched since the beginning and only missed a few seasons of the Bachelor: Jesse Palmer, the English guy. I even watched the dopey Prince Lorenzo season. 

I think it's fine if you apply for the  travel opportunities if you are also open to finding love but I don't think ANY of the contestants who apply these days are truly 'right reasons', if right reasons means falling in love and getting engaged. I can't blame them, really, but wish that once the show was over, they would get off my screen and disappear, never to be seen again!  Hope springs eternal, but Fleiss has created a monster and it will never happen.

** Oh, and I am equal opportunity Instagram Social Media basher...whether it is Kylie Jenner or blonde Amanda with the 2 cute little girls!

Edited July 31, 2019 by ECM1231

[LuvMyShows]

1 hour ago, ApolloSun said:

So true!  They manipulated the crap out of Luke, since he was very vulnerable, having genuine feelings for Hannah.

Not sure which Luke you saw, but the one I saw who started making out with her big time on opening night (or whatever it's called), and then declared his falling-in-love-ness as his talent at the talent show after knowing her less than 48 hours (in real time), and continued macking on her at various other dates early on, didn't look too vulnerable to me. He looked like a smug guy who thought that he had it in the bag, got smugger the more he did his faux-humble-and-contrite shtick with Hannah and saw other guys get sent home while he was still around in spite of her acknowledged red flags, and dug his grave on his own just fine.  We have no idea how much "they" may or may not have manipulated him.  I never saw genuine feelings for Hannah from him.  I did see genuine confusion/bewilderment on his face a lot, since he was probably mystified by someone not falling for his St. Luke sh*t and actually calling him out.

[LuvMyShows]

37 minutes ago, JKL845 said:

It is interesting that Jed never considered Haley his girlfriend. He had sex with her and told her he loved her but he was hooking up with others at the same time. Yet Haley thought of herself as Jed's girlfriend. 

I absolutely believe that Jed did consider her his girlfriend...he's just saying he didn't to try to save face (what little of it he thinks he has left!).

[JudyObscure]

12 minutes ago, ECM1231 said:

I can't stand  Jade and Tanner and abhor the whole Instagram shilling of products online. I know that Jade and Tanner have made a shit load of money doing this and bought a big old house but it really chaps my skin. My friend asked if I would not be  happy if my own child were able to do the same. For one, my kid works very hard, has two jobs which enabled him to buy his own home at the age of 28 and he would never consider making money by  becoming a SM influencer wearing the trendiest sunglasses/fashions or whatever other crap these folks shill. I just can't get behind it. 

I wish I could like your post a hundred times.  I don't like the smug Jade and Tanner either and I haven't forgotten that before they were Bachelor Nation's version of June and Ward Cleaver she was making her money by spreading her legs for the porn photographers.   Why this makes people want to buy the same baby clothes she buys is beyond me.  No, I'm not so much slut-shaming Jade, (although sometimes if the shoe fits...) mostly I'm shaming myself for supporting this stuff by watching it every year.

[limecoke]

Jed is a rat.  Sitting right there lying through his teeth.  Good job, Hannah.  You dumped two great guys for this chucklehead.  I was also screaming when she got on him for sleeping with his girlfriend the night before he left for the show.  Need we remind Hannah about the WINDMILL???  But Jed is still a rat.  And his singing sucks.

Tyler...run away from this woman.  You deserve better.  Go be on DWTS or just go back to Jupiter and live your life.  Love will come.  Just please don’t jump back into this Hannah thing.

[DEL901]

Just saw Hannah on Kimmel.   Boy, that was some heavy lifting Jimmy did.   She is not very articulate in these off the cuff situations.  I’m going to predict that opportunities in broad casting will not be coming her way.   

[TiredMe]

5 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

She didn't not want Jed because he slept with someone, she didn't want him because he LIED to her, pretended he was single and he wasn't. Hannah did not lie to Luke. Hannah was openly dating multiple guys because that's the premise of the show that Luke CHOSE to sign up for. 

I cannot agree more with your points on this. On both posts. 

[TheFinalRose]

I'm bummed that all the talk now is of Hannah and Tyler because it feels that Jed is getting off fairly lightly.  I want post after post eviscerating him at the same level that Luke was dissected. I want him called a narcissist, a psychopath, and a self-indulgent singer. Where is his two-hours on the hot seat for being a lying liar who lies? Seems like Jed's going to slink away into the bubble of his own supportive circle of family/friends and not really face the ire that he deserves. 

Can we have a special, One Man Tells All after the BIP premiere next week where an angry mob of viewers gets to boo Jed for an extended time period? Or put him in a dunking booth and do a lottery to see who gets a shot at him? Or haul in Simon Cowell to critique Jed's musical talents? I need something, ABC, or I will continue to feel that justice has not been equally served in this franchise.  

[JenE4]

2 hours ago, ECM1231 said:

Bravo!  Your post expresses perfectly the argument I am having with a close friend of mine. She is upset with me that I am so cynical about the show and how much I like to snark about it. She refuses to believe that it's no longer about finding a love connection.  She brought up all the marriages and babies that have resulted and even some of the BIP matches like Jade and Tanner and Carly and Evan. She seems to have forgotten that Carly was a mean girl on her season.  I can't stand  Jade and Tanner and abhor the whole Instagram shilling of products online. I know that Jade and Tanner have made a shit load of money doing this and bought a big old house but it really chaps my skin. My friend asked if I would not be  happy if my own child were able to do the same. For one, my kid works very hard, has two jobs which enabled him to buy his own home at the age of 28 and he would never consider making money by  becoming a SM influencer wearing the trendiest sunglasses/fashions or whatever other crap these folks shill. I just can't get behind it. 

Another problem I have is with the entire premise itself. One must have to have a healthy ego to think one is so 'extra' that they could be considered to be on this show.

I've watched since the beginning and only missed a few seasons of the Bachelor: Jesse Palmer, the English guy. I even watched the dopey Prince Lorenzo season. 

I think it's fine if you apply for the  travel opportunities if you are also open to finding love but I don't think ANY of the contestants who apply these days are truly 'right reasons', if right reasons means falling in love and getting engaged. I can't blame them, really, but wish that once the show was over, they would get off my screen and disappear, never to be seen again!  Hope springs eternal, but Fleiss has created a monster and it will never happen.

** Oh, and I am equal opportunity Instagram Social Media basher...whether it is Kylie Jenner or blonde Amanda with the 2 cute little girls!

Your friend is a Right Reasons watcher. Bachelor Nation is a two-party system, just like American democracy. You’ve got to accept you’ll never bring her over to the Wrong Reasons, just like you’re not going to change your friends’ political views. 

[antfitz]

4 hours ago, DEL901 said:

I doubt that anything will happen.  Tyler didn't even touch her.  In People Magazine he said they are friends and it was the wrong time to rush into anything.  I think he was being a gentleman and helping her save face, but why would he accept being her #3.  It's not like she had an epiphany, realized that she loved him and ditched Luke and Jed for him.

 I have to admit I did not watch the season. I did catch bits and pieces and couldn't stand Hannah or her voice. I think she's phony. That's saying a lot considering how phony so many people are on that series.

[antfitz]

1 hour ago, TheFinalRose said:

I'm bummed that all the talk now is of Hannah and Tyler because it feels that Jed is getting off fairly lightly.  I want post after post eviscerating him at the same level that Luke was dissected. I want him called a narcissist, a psychopath, and a self-indulgent singer. Where is his two-hours on the hot seat for being a lying liar who lies? Seems like Jed's going to slink away into the bubble of his own supportive circle of family/friends and not really face the ire that he deserves. 

Can we have a special, One Man Tells All after the BIP premiere next week where an angry mob of viewers gets to boo Jed for an extended time period? Or put him in a dunking booth and do a lottery to see who gets a shot at him? Or haul in Simon Cowell to critique Jed's musical talents? I need something, ABC, or I will continue to feel that justice has not been equally served in this franchise.  

 Was Jed's ex girlfriend really telling the truth? Or did she say all that stuff to get publicity for herself because she's a model? Can you really trust any of these people to tell you the truth? If they told you the truth, you realize that they're not there to find love, but they are there to become Instagram people with followers.

[antfitz]

2 hours ago, DEL901 said:

Just saw Hannah on Kimmel.   Boy, that was some heavy lifting Jimmy did.   She is not very articulate in these off the cuff situations.  I’m going to predict that opportunities in broad casting will not be coming her way.   

  OMG, I hope not.

This show is merely a vehicle for showcasing different young people to become celebrities of some sort. I read an article about the Dating Game in the seventies and it was the same way. They are not really looking for love. They are looking for a future job.  It's a matter of how do they handle themselves in front of the camera. What do they look like in front of the camera.

[Irritable]

Hannah was upset that Jed slept with his "NOT-girlfriend" the night before he left for the show, and that proves there's no way he could have been ready for engagement, but after that night he supposedly didn't have more contact with her, and certainly didn't sleep with her again, so let's say it's true that Jed came into things expecting not to have any feelings for Hannah but then fell in love with her after all...how is this worse than her having sex with Peter multiple times just a few days before their engagement? How does that make her more ready for engagement, but makes Jed less ready?

I think if Hannah really loved Jed as much as she claimed to, then all of this could have been forgivable.   I mean, it's the plot to more than one romantic comedy - the whole "you dated me on a BET?!?!?!?!?!" "At first you were a bet, but then I fell in love with you for real!" formula - and the woman always forgives the man for the deceit and betrayal because in the end, their true love was what mattered.  In this case, it was like she was glad for the excuse to get out of things, AND she got to be a victim, so it was win-win for her.  Their stupid dance party and cutesy games she gushed about over the 2 days after the engagement were lame and seemed so forced, I have no doubt that once the cameras were gone and there was nothing left to do but just talk to each other, she was underwhelmed.  And likely he was, too.

I see Hannah like a young show dog - she has a beautiful, shiny coat, strong teeth, knows how to stand in place in all the right poses, can follow some commands, but she's not going to win anything because she just doesn't have enough maturity or discipline.  She may have the perfect form, but she also requires constant attention even while performing on the show floor, whimpers and barks too much, occasionally bolts during judging segments to go pee near the boy dogs, might hump one or two of them.  I think she would be a nightmare to date, much less marry.  Bullets dodged on all sides, as far as I'm concerned. 

I do feel bad for Jed's ex, and I hope one day he bumps into her father and has to face some consequences for all that shit he had the audacity to say about his daughter on national television.  Her dad gave them a trip to the Bahamas for his birthday, but he definitely didn't think they were dating?  What the hell ever, you talentless coward.

[Riplet68]

No one has said anything about the crickets when Jed walked out.  It was funny and cringeworthy.

she didn’t dump him for the sex, she dumped him for the lying, treating another girl like shit, and having girls at his apartment THE NIGHT SHE SAW HIM IN NASHVILLE.  After they got “engaged,” he hit on women, was photgraphed grabbing other women, had women at his apartment.  He’s a dick with no respect for women.  That is why she dumped him.

i think she and Tyler had Alex on the last date.

i don’t see Hannah as all about me girl.  She wanted the guys to worry about their own relationship, not the others. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Riplet68

[thehepburn]

19 minutes ago, antfitz said:

 Was Jed's ex girlfriend really telling the truth? Or did she say all that stuff to get publicity for herself because she's a model? Can you really trust any of these people to tell you the truth? If they told you the truth, you realize that they're not there to find love, but they are there to become Instagram people with followers.

LOL, Jed's Ex aint a model. Have you seen her? You are confusing her with Peter's Ex BTW.

[adhoc]

Quote

 Was Jed's ex girlfriend really telling the truth? Or did she say all that stuff to get publicity for herself because she's a model?  

Hi, Jed or Friend-of-Jed. The facts (photos, texts, etc.) are out there. Google them.

[Jax7917]

1 minute ago, adhoc said:

Hi, Jed or Friend-of-Jed. The facts (photos, texts, etc.) are out there. Google them.

Not to mention he admitted to all of it . 

[kita]

We did get a chuckle when Hannah fell down, but other than that, I could have snoozed through a good bit of the last few episodes. 😪

BiP, here we come. I'll see you all there.

[sistersledge]

4 hours ago, ECM1231 said:

I even watched the dopey Prince Lorenzo season.

Hahaha me too! I totally forgot all about that season, isn't that how we got Erica Rose?

[sistersledge]

42 minutes ago, Irritable said:

Their stupid dance party and cutesy games she gushed about over the 2 days after the engagement were lame and seemed so forced, I have no doubt that once the cameras were gone and there was nothing left to do but just talk to each other, she was underwhelmed.  And likely he was, too.

Yes, this stuck out to me too- super forced and likely she realized (narrator voice), I've made a huge mistake.

[nutty1]

4 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

I wish I could like your post a hundred times.  I don't like the smug Jade and Tanner either and I haven't forgotten that before they were Bachelor Nation's version of June and Ward Cleaver she was making her money by spreading her legs for the porn photographers.   Why this makes people want to buy the same baby clothes she buys is beyond me.  No, I'm not so much slut-shaming Jade, (although sometimes if the shoe fits...) mostly I'm shaming myself for supporting this stuff by watching it every year.

I say why not? Strike while the iron is hot. I’d take advantage of opportunities like that. They aren’t doing anything wrong. 

[JudyObscure]

6 minutes ago, nutty1 said:

I say why not? Strike while the iron is hot. I’d take advantage of opportunities like that. They aren’t doing anything wrong. 

 I didn't say I blamed them or thought they were doing anything wrong.   I only wondered why people are so impressed with them as to run out  and buy the products they endorse, because to me, they're  sleazy.

[nutty1]

3 minutes ago, JudyObscure said:

 I didn't say I blamed them or thought they were doing anything wrong.   I only wondered why people are so impressed with them as to run out  and buy the products they endorse, because to me, they're  sleazy.

That part I get. What has made them superstars?

[call me ishmael]

35 minutes ago, nutty1 said:

That part I get. What has made them superstars?

What would make anyone buy something because some former bachelor/ette contestant shilled for it? None of it makes any sense.  If you allow yourself to ask questions that demand rational answers with this franchise your head will explode.  

[CouchPotato]

51 minutes ago, ApolloSun said:

WOW WOW WOW  ----Exactly where is this "grace"  Tyler speaks of?  She was malicious and nasty more times than any person I've ever seen on this show.

As much as I like Tyler, I scratch my head over half the qualities he ascribes to her. I really question what the heck he sees in her.

[StatisticalOutlier]

23 hours ago, Just Carol said:

CH's dye job was ridiculous.  That soft brown color is so fake on him.  Men-- do not color your hair!

At least he hasn't progressed to Schwarzenegger red.  But it's just a matter of time.

[Nowhere]

8 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

 

Oh, and I don't know how a long-term relationship with her would work.  Once other posters pointed out how she adds a "k" to every word ending with a "g" I couldn't unhear it.  I even replicated it every time she did it in order to understand why that is her speech pattern.  It would drive me crazy...

I noticed that her parents don’t do the “-ink” bullshit. They have a pretty normal southern accent and they leave off the g’s, ie thinkin’, sayin’, drinkin’, etc. I made a point to listen for these types of words not only when her mother spoke but also her father. Neither speak like Hannah. I don’t know where Hannah gets this “-ink” crap but it’s very annoying and I’m not sure why her parents didn’t ever correct her. Maybe she picked up the habit later because she thinks it’s cute. It’s not. 

She also loves to talk with the vocal fry that I hate. 

1 hour ago, ApolloSun said:

wow, had no idea!  No, don't think you're shaming her.  You're stating facts about what she chose to do.  

I don’t think @JudyObscure was shaming her anyway but Jade posed once for Playboy, if I remember correctly. I don’t think they spread the legs in that magazine. It’s more tastefully done and I don’t think anyone held it against her then or now. If she had posed for Hustler, that would be a very different story. 

Btw, I’m sick of everyone crying “slut-shaming”. I work in a dance club as a bartender and ho culture is at its peak. The songs these girls get excited about is kind of sick imo and I have nothing against sex. I just don’t think anyone needs to brag about getting laid nightly by different people, and then when anyone side-eyes, they cry “slut-shaming.” Plus, the word makes no sense. Are you saying you’re not a slut but you’re being shamed for liking sex? Or are you saying you are a slut? And if you’re not a slut then why is it called slut shaming? Confusing. 

Popular song lyrics for your enjoyment. This song is played every night. It’s called Once Upon a Time.

“I said if I wan' fuck him gon' fuck him
But if he ain't got a buck I won't cuff him
Spend a hundred on me, it ain't nothing
Want a double D so he stuffed 'em
Back to the point
Is there some cash in this place?
If it is
I'll probably stick this ass in your face
Turn around
Then he asked 'bout the taste
He fell in love like the passion of Dre
But I fuck him though
And I don't even care if his mother know
It's about that paper on another note
And I'll fake a baby like the rubber broke
And I--

Once upon a time, not long ago
I was a hoe
And I'm admitting it
I won't take it back 'cause I did the shit
I was a hoe
And I'm admitting it
I won't take it back 'cause I did the shit
I was a hoe”

It’s cool now to be a hoe, BUT DON’T YOU DARE SAY IT’S WRONG or you’re ”slut-shaming”. 🙄

[waving feather]

It makes me think Tyler has bad taste or bad judgement from the way he still gushes about her. Which part was graceful actually? I had hopes for her as a Bachelorette when the season started but it went downhill from the time she over-reacted to Scott. Instead of just sending him home, she laid into him too. And then it continued with her berating the guys over stupid stuff (like bickering among themselves) and ended with Luke's drama and eye rolls to her parents. 

Speaking of not taking "no" for an answer... didn't Hannah went back to find Colton during his hometown date with another lady, AFTER he has eliminated her? It wasn't shown on the show but it happened. So she and Luke are more alike than she thinks. 

Jed is no doubt a player but I bet he is relieved he no longer has to pretend with Hannah for a period of time.

I am not surprised Hannah has a lot of followers on Instagram. This show's audience love skinny blondes. Jojo and Amanada both also have tons of followers after their appearances. 

[Nowhere]

7 minutes ago, waving feather said:

It makes me think Tyler has bad taste or bad judgement from the way he still gushes about her. Which part was graceful actually? I had hopes for her as a Bachelorette when the season started but it went downhill from the time she over-reacted to Scott. Instead of just sending him home, she laid into him too. And then it continued with her berating the guys over stupid stuff (like bickering among themselves) and ended with Luke's drama and eye rolls to her parents. 

Speaking of not taking "no" for an answer... didn't Hannah went back to find Colton during his hometown date with another lady, AFTER he has eliminated her? It wasn't shown on the show but it happened. So she and Luke are more alike than she thinks. 

Jed is no doubt a player but I bet he is relieved he no longer has to pretend with Hannah for a period of time.

I am not surprised Hannah has a lot of followers on Instagram. This show's audience love skinny blondes. Jojo and Amanada both also have tons of followers after their appearances. 

I thought Jojo was a brunette and kind of likable. I’m not sure why Amanda got so many followers but plenty of skinny blondes from the show don’t have as many followers. I couldn’t stand Amanda. If I had Instagram, I’d only follow for a short time to catch up on the drama, then delete when they inevitably become irrelevant. Maybe people followed Amanda to see the train wreck after she chose that sweaty douchebag on BIP. 

There’s no way Tyler likes Hannah as much as he’s letting on. He’s just playing the game hopefully or just being nice. If not, I agree with you and I will end up finding him much less attractive than I do now. Stupidity isn’t cute. I guess we’ll see if he gets back together with her and he’ll lose our respect. 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Nowhere
Tyler addition

[EllenB]

A few last thoughts before BIP starts next week - if I remember to watch it.

I think, besides being physically attracted to Luke, Hannah was invested in him as a project.  If I can remember back decades to that age, it's pretty common to think you have all the answers and can "fix" somebody.  But he was doing the same thing to her!  Ugh, I do believe I was in a similar relationship, but we were trying to fix different things about each other. I think it's why she got so mad at him, but was also able to break it off so quickly.

Jed.  Oh, Jed.  You may not have talent, but you played Hannah like a fine fiddle.  Very briefly.  However, although you are sneaky, you're also stupid, so you made her look smart compared to you.  Good for Hannah for not being weepy.

I'm so happy I'm old and way past those stupid, emotional years.  Now, I only get passionate about carrot cake and chocolate truffles.  And if someone disappoints me, I just say "Whatever." But I might still flip the bird as they walk away. 😊 Overall, I'm glad I was young in the late 60s and early 70s.  It was okay if you were a virgin, and it was okay if you slept around.  What was NOT okay was being judgemental.  Those people didn't have many friends.

[MsTree]

Don't know if this means anything, but one of the entertainment programs tonight reported that Gigi Hadid is following Tyler on Instagram.

[Dr Mama]

19 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

If Hannah really wanted Tyler, what she should have said was: "My whole relationship with Jed was based on a lie I had no way of knowing about until the very end. I was already struggling, and if not for this lie, I'd probably be happily engaged to Tyler. So I resent Jed for clouding my judgment for so long and I regret losing the opportunity to go all in with Tyler and get to the point where we could be engaged."

. . . 

I am not a Hannah hater - she was always too young for the lead. 

Absolutely! 

I was at the taping last night, and this is almost exactly what I said to one of the women sitting next to me after the show. 

My hoped for explanation was slightly different . . . "I was caught up in the bubble of the show and had trouble really seeing clearly while I was in the middle of it. Everyone could see how much I struggled with the decision even then, and now that I've been out of the bubble and able to reflect, I can see just how much my judgement was off while we were in the throes of filming."

Something, anything, that would have acknowledged that she made a mistake and could see that now.

But I'm also not convinced that it was all a bit of an act for both of them so that the ending was not a complete downer.

[Dr Mama]

18 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

I disagree actually. Based on many comments on this board and around social media, many are already convinced that Hannah's interest in Tyler is solely because Jed turned out to be a complete lying tool. That in other words, if Jed didn't have a secret girlfriend while on the show, she'd still be happily engaged to him. 

So acting like she's all in with Tyler immediately would seem disingenuous to many considering they think she's being disingenuous now. Not to mention that as many have pointed out, the last thing Hannah probably needs is to jump right back into any relationship because girlfriend clearly still has some growing up to do. So personally I thought keeping it casual and light and just "let's just have a drink and see what happens" was the right way to go. 

I think she could do both. Give him a better explanation of why she now realizes her judgement was clouded during filming, and then keeping it light by asking him out for just a drink to catch up.

[Dr Mama]

18 hours ago, truthaboutluv said:

I've seen this comment multiple times last night and I really feel like it's a strawman's argument. The difference here is that Luke signed on for a show where the lead would be dating and yes, having intimate (intimate doesn't automatically equal sex) relationships with multiple people. He knew this.

He wasn't being led on, lied to about those things. And then despite that, felt within his right to say what was unacceptable to him in terms of Hannah's behavior as the lead. And also, as was the common behavior of Luke, he didn't stand behind it because when called out, he claimed that's not what he meant. 

Jed came on the show and presented himself as something he wasn't, i.e. single. I liked that in their taped "break up" (since per Hannah we know the actual break up happened over the phone), Hannah brought up Scott from the first night and asked Jed what he was thinking when she not only sent Scott home but then did address the men and made it clear that if anyone had any secret girlfriend, was dating anyone to be honest or leave now. And he didn't. Hannah I felt in many ways almost suggested that if Jed had explained the situation to her before, she might have been more forgiving for his being honest.

Absolutely spot on!

[DEL901]

9 hours ago, antfitz said:

 Was Jed's ex girlfriend really telling the truth? Or did she say all that stuff to get publicity for herself because she's a model? Can you really trust any of these people to tell you the truth? If they told you the truth, you realize that they're not there to find love, but they are there to become Instagram people with followers.

She had the text messages to support everything she said.  

[Dr Mama]

9 hours ago, Riplet68 said:

No one has said anything about the crickets when Jed walked out.  It was funny and cringeworthy.

I was at the taping! The guy who was there to encourage the crowd was joking with some of us that we could not boo him when he walked out. I joked that what could they do if we all booed him.

In the end, I did not hear any boos, but only a few people started to clap, and then they stopped quickly when they realized almost everyone else was silent. It was better than booing!

[JenE4]

6 hours ago, CouchPotato said:

As much as I like Tyler, I scratch my head over half the qualities he ascribes to her. I really question what the heck he sees in her.

Tyler, Harrison, Peter, and Jed (before he was dumped) along with several of the other guys (during the show and TMTA) were all using words that were the complete opposite of what I would use to describe Hannah: grace, compassionate, strength/strong, poise, understanding, etc. The only thing that I can think of is that this is how you talk to a toddler when they’re having a temper tantrum to get them to act the complete opposite of what they’re doing: *hysterical crying and flailing* “You’re Mommy’s Big Girl and know how to use your words to tell Mommy what you need.”

[nutty1]

The only way  this season would become worth it would be if Hannah was pregnant and didn’t know who the baby daddy was! Now THAT would be the most dramatic season ever!

To those who were at the taping...anything good to share? Did they all look the same in real life? Better? How did Chris Harrison look? 

[JudyObscure]

7 hours ago, Nowhere said:

don’t think @JudyObscure was shaming her anyway but Jade posed once for Playboy, if I remember correctly. I don’t think they spread the legs in that magazine. It’s more tastefully done and I don’t think anyone held it against her then or now. If she had posed for Hustler, that would be a very different story. 

As I remember the talk at the time, she wasn't in the Playboy magazine but the Playboy channel that shows X-rated videos.  I never actually saw it, but saw her showing the video to Farmer Chris on the show.   Maybe it wasn't as bad as my imagination has it, but I doubt if they make any other kind of video for those pay-for-it channels.

[LuvMyShows]

8 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

At least he hasn't progressed to Schwarzenegger red.  But it's just a matter of time.

I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who has noticed the Schwarzenegger red, and refers to it as a thing!

[Jax7917]

now that the last few seasons have all ended in a dramatic way (, Ari , Colton ,  and now Hannah ) ..Chris Harrison and co . Are not going to let future seasons be boring and have someone propose , they say yes and live happily ever after . Somehow the next season will be “ dramatic “ too . P.s who came before Aris season ? I can’t remember because they picked him out of the blue . Jojo ? 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Jaclyn88

[JudyObscure]

8 hours ago, EllenB said:

😊 Overall, I'm glad I was young in the late 60s and early 70s.  It was okay if you were a virgin, and it was okay if you slept around.  What was NOT okay was being judgemental.  Those people didn't have many friends.

I'm from the same generation and yes we all believed that being judgmental was The Worst Thing.  Somehow though, it didn't extend to things men did very much, if the neighbor boy did drugs or got a DUI he was judged a plenty but if the neighbor girl kept coming home with babies for her mom to raise and the tax payer to support not a word was said. 

Consequently our generation took unmarried births from about 5% to almost 50%, raising poverty levels and prison crowding by leaps and bounds as young boys, in particular, felt the effects of being raised fatherless. 

The increase in STDs just keeps on taking its toll.  Last month my brother died of HPV related cancer going back to his free loving youth in the summer of 1968.

It has all made me think maybe social pressure (or "judgment") wasn't such a bad thing after all. 

[thehepburn]

9 hours ago, Nowhere said:

I don’t think @JudyObscure was shaming her anyway but Jade posed once for Playboy, if I remember correctly. I don’t think they spread the legs in that magazine. It’s more tastefully done and I don’t think anyone held it against her then or now. If she had posed for Hustler, that would be a very different story. 

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2 hours ago, JudyObscure said:

As I remember the talk at the time, she wasn't in the Playboy magazine but the Playboy channel that shows X-rated videos.  I never actually saw it, but saw her showing the video to Farmer Chris on the show.   Maybe it wasn't as bad as my imagination has it, but I doubt if they make any other kind of video for those pay-for-it channels.

Jade was not in Playboy magazine or channel. She was on the part of the Playboy WEBSITE that shows your typical hot small town girls showing the goods. She had a soft focus video where she is on a bed taking off lingerie awkwardly. THIS is what she showed Chris Farmer on the show.  She also had some photo spreads where she really was spreading her legs and showing everything. I doubt she showed THOSE to Chris.

She also had a gig as a "Chive girl" in which she walked around in skimpy outfits or lingerie on the Chive website.

[Arkay]

1 hour ago, JudyObscure said:

The increase in STDs just keeps on taking its toll.  Last month my brother died of HPV related cancer going back to his free loving youth in the summer of 1968.

So sorry for your loss, Judy. That's awful. 

I know this season is over and there's not much more to comment upon. I'll just say that if Tyler really does reunite with Hannah, that's his business but I just do not understand Hannah's appeal at all. 

On a purely shallow level, looks alone, to my eyes it's as though Michelangelo felt a little weary while quarrying marble to sculpt Tyler, sat down on some clay, and thereby inadvertently created Jed's misshapen head.

[dirtypop90]

7 hours ago, Dr Mama said:

I think she could do both. Give him a better explanation of why she now realizes her judgement was clouded during filming, and then keeping it light by asking him out for just a drink to catch up.

Those two are obviously talking. Not sure why she would do all this on camera (explaining her decisions). She can meet him in person and tell him not try to have an awkward conversation with him on camera. My guess is she already had to some extent, which is why he said yes to this preplanned date request. JMO I get uncomfortable watching awkward, hard conversation so I’m glad they kept it light and kept the serious conversation for later, if they want to have one. It’s not the typical F2/lead scenario where they haven’t talked and don’t plan to in the near future so they have to have the awkward conversation in front of cameras.

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re Jed, Hannah was so stubborn re Luke. She must have not been all thrilled with Jed before the magazine drop. I agreed with others that said their loved up videos were cringe and awkward. My guess is He started to show his true colors in other ways before the magazine drop. It’s very clear he didn’t take this process or their engagement very seriously. JMO I think if she was happy with Jed until that point, she would’ve forgiven him for Haley.

Edited August 1, 2019 by dirtypop90

[bluestocking]

41 minutes ago, dirtypop90 said:

Those two are obviously talking. Not sure why she would do all this on camera (explaining her decisions). She can meet him in person and tell him not try to have an awkward conversation with him on camera. My guess is she already had to some extent, which is why he said yes to this preplanned date request. JMO I get uncomfortable watching awkward, hard conversation so I’m glad they kept it light and kept the serious conversation for later, if they want to have one. It’s not the typical F2/lead scenario where they haven’t talked and don’t plan to in the near future so they have to have the awkward conversation in front of cameras.

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re Jed, Hannah was so stubborn re Luke. She must have not been all thrilled with Jed before the magazine drop. I agreed with others that said their loved up videos were cringe and awkward. My guess is He started to show his true colors in other ways before the magazine drop. It’s very clear he didn’t take this process or their engagement very seriously. JMO I think if she was happy with Jed until that point, she would’ve forgiven him for Haley.

Re the bolded.  I read a tweet from Kate Coyne, editorial director at People, that seems to confirm your point--that Jed "had a big ego that needed to be validated. A lot."  Coyne also said that the meet the parents with Jed went so badly that Hannah took 3 days before telling her parents of the engagement.  Finally, People heard from a lot more ex-gfs of Jed, with text messages, etc., that they didn't include in their article but passed along to Hannah.