S09.E08: Showdown at Villa Rosa

[ninjago]

54 minutes ago, Rina99 said:

I don't know if Lisa V. tipped off the tabloids. However, I completely understand why Kyle doesn't believe her. There have been too many shady incidents from Lisa V. to not think her capable of it. That's pretty much where I am.

I think Kyle and Lisa know each other well, including knowing the other one is far from perfect.  But they like each other anyway, so they work around each other's shortcomings and appreciate the good things.  But they know each other and, come on, Kyle knows this is definitely something that Lisa is capable of.  I didn't think anything Kyle said was out-of-line.  But it does makes me sad.

Edited April 3, 2019 by ninjago

[CrinkleCutCat]

Boy, have these women backed the wrong pink pony! The whole episode was either Lisa VDP or people talking about Lisa (nearly...yes, there was a scene with Denise and her in a hurry husband opening gifts...snooze). I presume they want her off the show? It can’t be just to create ‘drahma’ for a storyline...they’ve gone too hard. 

There won’t be a show without Pinkie. Rinna talks to her husband; Kyle is having jewellery made; Dorit has nothing except this puppy/Lisa story; Denise got married so now what?; and Erika...um....Erika.... Erika is only there to tell Dorit that “you did NOTHING WRONG”? Not a show I’d watch.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Shut up, Rinna. 

[Dance4Life]

Kyle....You Idiot!

You had no right to keep pushing your point.  Your point was not welcome after you tried to make it for the 100th time.

You almost caused a real heart attack for Ken.

Was anyone else genuinely concerned???

[bravofan27]

10 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

I don't think that dog's feet have ever touched the ground. There's nothing wrong with being cuddled but I think it's weird that the dog is either tucked up under an arm like it's a football or laying on a piece of furniture looking like it's dead. Rich people are weird, yo. 

Anyway, the whole post was in jest. I wasn't really criticizing so much as trying to be funny.  

I think they have to keep Giggy medicated because of his condition. That's why he gets carted everywhere. Also, they want to make sure he doesn't scratch himself. He's not a healthy dog and has had lots of health issues that are chronic. He's basically got round the clock care. Most people would have put him down, but Lisa refused to do that.

[njbchlover]

8 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

Because of Lisa V actually advocating, and winning, for policy change, I am remarkably impressed. She's not just out there shaming people and waxing poetic about how precious dogs are to make herself seem like a savior. She actually got her cause heard in congress (NOT EASY AT ALL) and the bill passed. Truly impressive to actually make widespread change happen. Now hopefully the law will be enforced and not just something on the books. 

That was awesome though. I was really happy for her. 

Me, too, but was it wrong of me to picture Lisa standing on the steps of the Capitol Building, dressed all in pink, holding little Giggy or Harrison in her arm - a la Elle Woods and Bruiser in Legally Blonde 2 (which had a storyline, by the way, that involved getting a bill passed by Congress to stop testing on dogs and other animals for health and beauty products)?    😂

Edited April 3, 2019 by njbchlover

[MerisWetBar]

5 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

Because of Lisa V actually advocating, and winning, for policy change, I am remarkably impressed. She's not just out there shaming people and waxing poetic about how precious dogs are to make herself seem like a savior. She actually got her cause heard in congress (NOT EASY AT ALL) and the bill passed. Truly impressive to actually make widespread change happen. Now hopefully the law will be enforced and not just something on the books. 

That was awesome though. I was really happy for her. 

I actually teared up watching that. It was awesome and she was so happy and excited. I felt like when Kyle showed up LVP was still on that "high" and had that huge grin on her face and seemed like she couldn't wait to share the news with her friend. I have been in situations like that where your emotions go from one extreme to the other in minutes and that's tough for anyone. 

[walnutqueen]

Aaand - Denise just lost me.  Picked the wrong coven.

[Dance4Life]

What is people’s take when others start to promise or swear.......on their children, husband, parents, dog, etc..???

I find.....that this is for sure when they are lying!

LVP did it twice during the confrontation.

I was shaking my head....No..no...don’t go there.

Then LVP did it..again!

LMAO

[JAYJAY1979]

Anyone surprised at Kyle's behavior shouldn't be.. after all.. her close girlfriend is Faye Resnik... and you are who you keep company with. Kyle was over-shadowed by Kim as kids.. and by LVP as adults. Shame Kyle being a good mom isn't enough for her. 

[dosodog]

23 minutes ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

Can we talk about why Harry is taking back-to-back trips to Canada?

All alone with a two person tent?

I have a 6 person instant tent.  For me.  And sometimes the dog.  He's big and takes up a lot of space.  I can fit my queen size air mattress and the dog's single mattress* and still have space to walk around.

And I can put the thing up, by myself, in less than 5 minutes.

*Yes. My dog has his own air mattress.  I should be slightly embarrassed. I'm not.

4 minutes ago, walnutqueen said:

Aaand - Denise just lost me.  Picked the wrong coven.

Pretty sure Pinky is going to give her side eye from now on!

[Callaphera]

23 minutes ago, bravofan27 said:

I think they have to keep Giggy medicated because of his condition. That's why he gets carted everywhere. Also, they want to make sure he doesn't scratch himself. He's not a healthy dog and has had lots of health issues that are chronic. He's basically got round the clock care. Most people would have put him down, but Lisa refused to do that.

I mean, that's not always a good thing. Just because you have the means to keep a pet going doesn't mean you should but again, rich people are weird, yo. 

[walnutqueen]

2 minutes ago, Callaphera said:

I mean, that's not always a good thing. Just because you have the means to keep a pet going doesn't mean you should but again, rich people are weird, yo. 

If I'm ever a rich bitch, I'd keep my animals alive forever.

[renatae]

2 hours ago, whydoievencare said:

Kyle is not at Lisa's house as a friend.  She seemed quite pleased to tell Lisa that everybody believes Lisa went to both Radar Online AND TMZ.  Kyle doesn't believe there's any possibility that Lisa hasn't done this.  Yeah, you're such a great friend Kyle.  How can she protest that she is?  I'm glad they tell her to get out.  And Ken's correct that it's a gang - and Kyle is right in there with them.  They have all tried her and found her guilty without any actual proof.  They accept everything Dorit says as fact - which is incredible given that Dorit is such a liar.  Bizarre given that they've all had issues with Dorit in the past - have they forgotten?  Fucking bitches.  I could say Rinna especially, but really, it's all of them

Kyle was ridiculous, first saying she wasn't sure Lisa had actually leaked the story, but that she couldn't say for sure Lisa hadn't, because of course, Lisa had been accused before.

This group of screwballs has decided that a prior accusation without proof is proof it could have been no one but Lisa. With reasoning like that, this lynch mob is ready to roll. And with that, Kyle goes from fence sitter to accuser.

She arrives at Lisa's house armed with her proof. A consensus. Wow! Great evidence. She is so convinced, thanks to the mob, that she refuses to leave until she gets it through Lisa's head that the consensus rules! Lisa must confess! Not even Lisa swearing to her, in tears, on the lives of her children that she had nothing to do with the leak will disabuse Kyle of her implanted delusion. She keeps up with this nonsense for so long Job would have thrown her out.

Even though we've seen it several times, in context, it's even harder to see her accuse Lisa of valuing her image above her friendships after all of Lisa's impassioned denials.

What a bosom buddy. Not.

[Dance4Life]

I don’t think it was the accusation that pissed off LVP and Ken.

It was how Kyle ambushed them in their own home trying to get.....a confession........an admission.....of some sort.

Kyle was like.....Lisa, c’mon......We are besties....you can tell me.

They were kicking everyone out.  Kyle......the cameras, etc.

I guess if the timelines lined up.....this is when LVP stops filming with The Gang.

[Dance4Life]

Well....... La Agencia........is getting sued.

No couch surfing at Villa Rosa for Kyle! 

[hoodooznoodooz]

I’m not even the biggest LVP fan, but these housewives are awful. 

Dorit’s dog ended up at a shelter!!!!!

I don’t care if LVP arranged for a 24/7 chyron, announcing what Dorit did, to appear on every TV screen, movie theatre screen, youtube video, iPad, cell phone, and the Nasdaq screen in Times Square, but denied it; Dorit’s actions were infinitely more despicable.

[funnygirl]

Hate her or love her, LVP is a woman of integrity. Such a small thing, but when in the middle of the argument she said "Dorit and the f**king dog", and then immediately took back the "f**king dog" comment because it is a sweet creature, that was such a genuine moment from her. 

With friends like Kyle, who needs enemies. 

[missyb]

And another thing, good for Lisa to stop filming with a group of women who think the worst of her. She doesn't need them . She appreciates the show for giving her a platform for her restaurants and causes but she doesn't need to film with these women who are feeling so hateful towards her. Kind of funny she gets to dictate to Bravo, NO, I will no longer film with them ( except Denise and Camille). Follow me, film me but you wont get me going on any trips or any events with these women. Bravo. 

[ivygirl]

Well, this was an uncomfortable episode to watch. 

5 hours ago, bosawks said:

Chicken paillard on the well done side!?!?

WTF Dorit?

I’m fairly sure even a Vanderpump restaurant doesn’t serve their chicken on the rare side...

Dorit ordering Chicken Paillard “well done” was the capper and almost as nauseating as anything else in the episode. I adore Chicken Paillard, but there’s really no reason to order it “well done” because it IS juicy but very well cooked. “Well done chicken”? Does she want jerky?

5 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

I personally think that all those ladies are quietly thrilled that Dorit getting threats and deflecting to Lisa V. Teddi, IMO, isn't sold on Dorit, and she takes her digs here and there. Same with Kyle. They have both mentioned that "people that hurt animals will get a terrible reputation in Beverly Hills." Teddi said it to Dorit's face, like she was concerned, but I think it was just a dig. . 

Exactly. Teddi didn’t look like she was really consoling Dorit in that moment.

4 hours ago, Jel said:

Lisa, out there doing things that matter and getting shit done. And the rest of the shrews spend their time talking about her. Completely proving that, love her or hate her, Lisa Vanderpump is the show.

I’m very happy that in “real time,” LVP is opening yet another bar/restaurant and basically took over the casino to promote it. The contrast of Dorit whinging (another British word! I must be LVP) to LVP running what I assume are solvent businesses says a lot. 

4 hours ago, ChitChat said:

They grilled Kyle, and she folded like a tent in a tornado.  

Or do you mean, a two-person tent mauled by a bear? 😉

4 hours ago, Deputy Deputy CoS said:

She was asked several times to the the f'ck out of their home but she didn't listen, just as she wouldn't when Lisa in her own kitchen, swore on the lives of her children. 

But no, what do you mean? Kyle had one more thing to say! And that one thing would have solved everything! LVP and Ken should have heard her out!

4 hours ago, goofygirl said:

I think Kyle really shit the bed on this one.  I agree, going to Villa Rosa looks like a LOT more fun than going to any of the other howives' houses.

Rinna may get her wish taking down LVP, hope she's saved some $$ from the show, cause there won't be any more RHOBH without LVP.

So maybe she shit the bed too?

Well, she may still have some Depends left over from her days as their spokesperson? 🤷🏻‍♀️

3 hours ago, Juneau Gal said:

I really disagree with this thinking, that if you are innocent of an offense you would remain unruffled and calm when confronted. LVP has been mocked, harangued, disrespected, and called a liar for weeks over an event, puppy dumping, that she did not initiate. Anything beyond that is irrelevant; who said what to whom, etc. The puppy dumper is the villain in this story and the idiots are circling the wagons around her like she’s a martyred saint. LVP is justifiably mad, fed up, and over this bullshit. I would have burned the fecking house down (figuratively) by now if I were in her place. 

ITA. I’m a mess when I’m angry, especially when I’m accused of something false. I either turn silent or start angry-crying. 

3 hours ago, Dance4Life said:

Boy George sold the story! 🎩

Maybe he’ll take a Tumble 4 Dorit?

2 hours ago, njbchlover said:

Did you also notice that when Harry wanted an update on his family first, Rinna didn't even mention the girls' names - she just went in on Denise Richards' wedding event planned in two days, and then, jumped to the dog drama - WHICH she has expressed to several people, including Erika and Denise, that she never again wanted to speak about.

Oh God, how much I hate that woman and her talking heads where she thinks she is soooo friggin' funny.  Vandertrump??  That was supposed to be funny??  

What was the other nickname they called Lisa? Dorit said it, but the wording was all Rinna. It reeked of “aren’t I clever.”

In sum,

2 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Shut up, Rinna. 

Because it can’t be said enough.

[HunterHunted]

18 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Because of Lisa V actually advocating, and winning, for policy change, I am remarkably impressed. She's not just out there shaming people and waxing poetic about how precious dogs are to make herself seem like a savior. She actually got her cause heard in congress (NOT EASY AT ALL) and the bill passed. Truly impressive to actually make widespread change happen. Now hopefully the law will be enforced and not just something on the books. 

That was awesome though. I was really happy for her. 

Nothing she did there was remarkably difficult. It was a briefing not a hearing and a nonbinding resolution. I used to be a legislative aide. To get a briefing, you just have a member sponsor you to let you use a room. People get resolutions for literally everything. My friend's father got one to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the HMMM Fishing Club. HMMM stands for He-Man Macho Muscle; it was my friend's father and some of his high school buddies. Lisa accomplished no policy change on any level. I still do legislative work, but come at it from an agency side. The hardest part of the job is education. Members don't know anything and no one has enough staff to truly understand the weird workings of everything. Trying to educate the members and their staff is a commendable thing.

Edited April 3, 2019 by HunterHunted

[renatae]

6 hours ago, Otherkate said:

Dorit is such a scammer, I don't know how they take anything she says at face value. Never in my life did I think I would laugh at a mother saying she's afraid for her children, but I did tonight because I don't believe a word she says and her acting is atrocious. "I'm afraid to go the park! I'm just soooo afraid! Boo Hoo! Boo Hoo!" 

Here are the posts that appeared during this episode mentioning her children:

Was it really the dog behaving badly, or was it your kids?

Do you drop your kids somewhere when they misbehave?

Would you get rid of your kids if they misbehaved?

Hm. No threats there. The rest of the posts were like what we say here - Dorit is the worst, has no compassion, etc.

[film noire]

7 hours ago, njbchlover said:

  Oh, and fuck you, Kyle, for you being "more concerned about your image than your friendship" with LVP.

Not enough fuck-yous in the universe to throw at her.

I've been waiting and waiting for Kyle to be served one of her own shit sandwiches, waiting to watch her cram it into her sour little mouth -- triumphantly thinking "I'm the Queen now,  baby!!" -- only to realize with horror what she's bitten into.  Mission Fucking  Accomplished. And as disturbing as it was seeing the joy drain out of LVP  (and it was) when she finally sent Kyle packing, it was so gratifying.  LVP didn't throw out a sweeping arm, or a pointed finger  -- just a tiny wrist flick, as small as Kyle's integrity  -- who knew such a little gesture would be so hugely satisfying?

7 hours ago, ChitChat said:

 I would've told Kyle to get out too.

I would've chased her into the pond and let the swans peck her to death.

 And then sold the footage to Radar Online.

Edited April 3, 2019 by film noire

[eleanorofaquitaine]

I subscribe to Occam's Razor when it comes to these things - the idea that no, it was PK who told Radar; no, actually, it was Erika/Rinna; no, really, it was production; no, actually it was John Sessa - rather than believe that it was the person who has the most to gain - LVP - doesn't make much sense to me. (To be fair, production or Sessa are at least plausible). But a lot of these suggestions seem wild flailing in order to say it wasn't LVP.

I can understand being upset by a false accusation but I stand by the contention that there is something off about Lisa's reaction. I agree that she was set off by Kyle's unwillingness to believe her. But rather than thinking it is because it shows how terrible a friend Kyle is, I think Lisa's emotional reaction came from the fact that Kyle normally does defend her. I think her over-the-top reaction came from a recognition that she overplayed her hand and that she can no longer rely on Kyle to run interference for her. For someone who is manipulative, that change of status is threatening. 

I get that LVP is enjoyable to watch. But she doesn't walk on water and with her positives comes a pretty glaring negative in that she's manipulative. It's not like that is some big secret, you can see it both on this show and Vanderpump Rules. It just feels like this time, she went a little too far for her coworkers to ignore.

[nexxie]

Kyle knows LVP well enough to rightly say she puts her image over her friends - LVP even puts her dog lover image over the way she actually treats her dogs, who are dressed in ruffles, toted like purses, and not allowed to be dogs. LVP is a bullshit artist.

[Natasha]

Has anyone given any thought that production might have leaked the story to throw fuel on the conflict for a storyline? They were there filming and knew ALL the details. I work for a dog rescue foundation, and negative publicity isn't beneficial to the foundation of any kind or for any reason. It can easily drive down both donations and adoptions. Regardless how Lisa feels about Dorit and her treatment of Lucy, I don't see Lisa spreading gossip at the expense of her Dog Rescue foundation and the legislation she worked so hard to pass. Lisa giving a Dog to her friend Dorit and the dog winding up on a Kill facility again reflects poorly on Lisa and her foundation, not a story you want in the gossip rags. She also overlooked the $5,000 penalty which shows favoritism to a friend when someone else will be fined? Sorry, it doesn't add up. 

I also believe Bravo and Satan Andy would throw anyone under the bus for ratings. Andy salivates at Howives cat fighting. Once Teresa flipped the table, the franchise has never been the same.

Kyle is a bitch and exhibits no loyalty to Lisa whatsoever.  Makes one wonder exactly how she treated Kim regardless of Kim's personal issues.  

Also, Lisa R can go back to promoting Depends on the Red Carpet! I'm done with these vicious harpies.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Natasha

[sunshine23]

I applaud Ken for supporting and standing up for his wife. Had Lisa talked behind Kyle's back and gone to her house to tell Kyle how wrong she was during Kimgate or Kathygate, Kyle would have lost her ever lovin' mind. Oh wait, it was Rinna who focused on Kim's behavior, as well as accusing Dorit of snorting coke at her own party. Hmmm, but no one remembers that pattern of behavior. Maybe Erika, Denise, Teddi, and Kyle should worry who Rinna will set her sights on next.

It really does make perfect sense that the HW are focusing on puppygate because otherwise they'd have to focus on their husbands' behavious; Mauricio being sued, PK being sued and owing $$, and Tom being sued and owing $$. 

Can we just discuss Dorit's (continued) self importance, fake crying about people hurting her children. Just another poor me, pity party, deflection. She should be more worried about the Las Vegas guys who PK owes $$ to rather than a bunch of LVP supporters.

How beig surprise, Harry's off to Canada again. It surprised me that they showed just how quickly he wants to get away from Rinna. I guess he really isn't working any more.

[FlyingEgret]

8 hours ago, ParadoxLost said:

Rinna thought Harry's propaganda explanation was a perfect summary of what LvP was doing.

I thought it was a pretty decent argument that Rinna, Erika, or Dorit  was behind the Radar Online article.

And I dislike LvP and think she is a manipulator of epic proportions.

This.  Combined with Rinna waving to the paps at Denise's wedding, telling Erika she knew at least one of them, and then leading the charge against LVP makes me think Production is not so subtly pointing the finger at Rinna as the non-Depends wearing leaker...

[eleanorofaquitaine]

19 minutes ago, Natasha said:

Has anyone given any thought that production might have leaked the story to throw fuel on the conflict for a storyline? They were there filming and knew ALL the details. I work for a dog rescue organization, and negative publicity isn't beneficial to the organization of any kind or for any reason. It can easily drive down both donations and adoptions. Regardless how Lisa feels about Dorit and her treatment of Lucy, I don't see Lisa spreading gossip at the expense of her Dog Rescue Organization and the legislation she worked so hard to pass. Lisa giving a Dog to her friend Dorit and the dog winding up on a Kill facility again reflects poorly on Lisa and her organization, not a story you want in the gossip rags. She also overlooked the $5,000 penalty which shows favoritism to a friend when someone else will be fined? Sorry, it doesn't add up. 

I also believe Bravo and Satan Andy would throw anyone under the bus for ratings. Andy salivates at Howives cat fighting. Once Teresa flipped the table, the franchise has never been the same.

Kyle is a bitch and exhibits no loyalty to Lisa whatsoever.  Makes one wonder exactly how she treated Kim regardless of Kim's personal issues.  

Also, Lisa R can go back to promoting Depends on the Red Carpet! I'm done with these vicious harpies.

I can believe that production pitched the story for drama purposes but in fact, concern that this story would reflect badly on the rescue dog business is precisely why I think she did have a hand in leaking the story. Better to get out in front of it and blame it on Dorit than for LVP to suggest it was somehow the fault of the business. 

You lose me entirely when you say it would have somehow impacted a non-binding resolution. It wouldn't have.

The thing is, I think LVP had every reason to be upset with Dorit and to want the story out there. But why pretend like she wasn't upset? Why be underhanded about getting the story out there? It's in part because LVP likes the image of being "above it all" and she's really not. If she was above all the drama, she wouldn't be on the show. 

[Jel]

Let's look at this logically:

What did Lisa have to gain?

1. Dorit is exposed as a dog dumper.  (And it's a gain I guess because Lisa is angry about that, so she gets the revenge she wants without having to say, geez Dorit what a shit you are. Causes the fans to turn against Dorit -- she was already hugely unpopular, so moot. If I missing more gains, someone please enlighten me). All of this sneaky exposing is done via tabloids, even though it's also talked about with cameras rolling on the show. 

What does Lisa have to lose from selling a story to Radar Online?

1. She puts her own foundation in a poor light. If anything, the story makes them look irresponsible and unprofessional. Huge negative.

2. Causes problems with the wife of Ken's longtime friend, resulting in bad feelings and the potential end of a longstanding friendship.

3. Causes problems with their entire (20 plus years) friend group.

That Lisa has the "most to gain" has not been demonstrated by any of the HWs. Simply saying the words "she has the most to gain" does not count as evidence, no matter how many of them say it.  

[howiveaddict]

8 hours ago, nexxie said:

From Rinna’s blog - “A picture is worth a thousand words.”

Except tag lines are made after the season is recorded.  And production driven. 

[bkathi]

8 hours ago, tranquilidade said:

Rinna's imitations of LVP are down right nasty in a way no one has ever been before.  She took this show to a new low.  

And she stole most of the that imitation from Heather McDonald (she has a podcast and recaps the RH franchises).

[esco1822]

8 hours ago, breezy424 said:

And if Blizzard was the 'one' to set up Teddi  and puppygate, why 'wasn't' he fired?   Hmmm....

Have you never seen Vanderpump Rules??? All of those people do things that they should be fired for yet never are. I think LVP has a documented track record of giving her young employees second, third and sometimes fourth chances. It’s totally consistent with who she has been on Bravo to NOT fire Blizzard.

[Higgins]

On ‎4‎/‎1‎/‎2019 at 12:03 AM, howiveaddict said:

You are showing your age. And me too!  I knew the tune!

For once an ancient cultural reference from before my time! 

[eleanorofaquitaine]

10 minutes ago, Jel said:

Let's look at this logically:

What did Lisa have to gain?

1. Dorit is exposed as a dog dumper.  (And it's a gain I guess because Lisa is angry about that, so she gets the revenge she wants without having to say, geez Dorit what a shit you are. Causes the fans to turn against Dorit -- she was already hugely unpopular, so moot. If I missing more gains, someone please enlighten me). All of this sneaky exposing is done via tabloids, even though it's also talked about with cameras rolling on the show. 

What does Lisa have to lose from selling a story to Radar Online?

1. She puts her own foundation in a poor light. If anything, the story makes them look irresponsible and unprofessional. Huge negative.

2. Causes problems with the wife of Ken's longtime friend, resulting in bad feelings and the potential end of a longstanding friendship.

3. Causes problems with their entire (20 plus years) friend group.

That Lisa has the "most to gain" has not been demonstrated by any of the HWs. Simply saying the words "she has the most to gain" does not count as evidence, no matter how many of them say it.  

I don't really understand this argument that, if everything happened as she says it did, the foundation is shone in a poor light. If Dorit did not follow foundation rules - and I have no reason to believe she did, since her arguments have been weak - then the foundation is as much a victim as anyone. Making sure that everyone understands that Dorit didn't follow your foundation's rules is precisely the kind of thing I would recommend a client to do in a case like this. (I would also recommend just being upfront about that rather than playing shady non-attribution games). That's why I made the point above about the advantages of getting in front of the story.

As for 2 and 3, LVP has been doing this kind of thing for a long-time and getting away with it. I doubt she sincerely thought it would cause problems with Kyle. And she didn't factor in Teddi basically switching team at the last minute, therefore putting her on the outside with everyone. She likely assumed that Kyle and Teddi would be on her side and that is why IMO she reacted so strongly to Kyle's questions. Because she realized that she has no allies left and that the ground shifted without her noticing. 

Edited April 3, 2019 by eleanorofaquitaine

[Jel]

24 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I can believe that production pitched the story for drama purposes but in fact, concern that this story would reflect badly on the rescue dog business is precisely why I think she did have a hand in leaking the story. Better to get out in front of it and blame it on Dorit than for LVP to suggest it was somehow the fault of the business. 

You lose me entirely when you say it would have somehow impacted a non-binding resolution. It wouldn't have.

The thing is, I think LVP had every reason to be upset with Dorit and to want the story out there. But why pretend like she wasn't upset? Why be underhanded about getting the story out there? It's in part because LVP likes the image of being "above it all" and she's really not. If she was above all the drama, she wouldn't be on the show. 

I don't think Lisa leaked the story, but "why pretend she wasn't upset?" To keep the peace with Ken's longtime friends ad their friend group for one. And two, because I believe Lisa thought Dorit was a harmless, though self-absorbed nitwit, who was more stupid than calculating or mean spirited. And Lisa is a natural "champion of the underdog", and sometimes that can bite you in the ass.  Now she sees that Dorit is way more more self-absorbed than she is harmless, and Dorit couldn't resist the opportunity to make friends with her friends' "enemies". She craved acceptance in the group so much that she was willing to sacrifice the only friendship she had to get it. Can't wait to see how that works out for her. 

[bkathi]

7 hours ago, Rosiejuliemom said:

Can we talk about why Harry is taking back-to-back trips to Canada?

All alone with a two person tent?

Well, if I were married to Rinna I would run to Canada too.  And I'm not sure about the "all alone" part.  Or even about the camping part.

[bkathi]

6 hours ago, CrinkleCutCat said:

Boy, have these women backed the wrong pink pony! The whole episode was either Lisa VDP or people talking about Lisa (nearly...yes, there was a scene with Denise and her in a hurry husband opening gifts...snooze). I presume they want her off the show? It can’t be just to create ‘drahma’ for a storyline...they’ve gone too hard. 

There won’t be a show without Pinkie. Rinna talks to her husband; Kyle is having jewellery made; Dorit has nothing except this puppy/Lisa story; Denise got married so now what?; and Erika...um....Erika.... Erika is only there to tell Dorit that “you did NOTHING WRONG”? Not a show I’d watch.

Totally agree! 1 billion likes!

[eleanorofaquitaine]

2 minutes ago, Jel said:

I don't think Lisa leaked the story, but "why pretend she wasn't upset?" To keep the peace with Ken's longtime friends ad their friend group for one. And two, because I believe Lisa thought Dorit was a harmless, though self-absorbed nitwit, who was more stupid than calculating or mean spirited. And Lisa is a natural "champion of the underdog", and sometimes that can bite you in the ass.  Now she sees that Dorit is way more more self-absorbed than she is harmless, and Dorit couldn't resist the opportunity to make friends with her friends' "enemies". She craved acceptance in the group so much that she was willing to sacrifice the only friendship she had to get it. Can't wait to see how that works out for her. 

I answered this idea about "keeping the peace" above. Beyond the fact that it isn't really her MO, I think it's way more likely she just didn't anticipate Teddi turning on her and Kyle expressing any doubts. 

As for thinking Dorit's harmless, that shouldn't really have any bearing on being upset. In other words, Dorit sincerely did mess up in her actions. She had every right to want to return the dog but she should have followed the rules. If I was LVP, I would have been upset that Dorit violated the contract and I would have had every reason to. Dorit's harmlessness should have no bearing on calling her out when she did something wrong. LVP's problem is that she didn't want to be seen as a bad guy but the irony is that she wouldn't have been seen as the bad guy if she had just been upfront about her anger.

[Higgins]

10 hours ago, TexasGal said:

Ok, I’ll start with kudos to LVP for raising public awareness of Yulin. But to celebrate the passage of a non binding House resolution saying something is bad and then touting it as “the US government is against it?”  Ummmmm, not quite.

How did she pass her citizen test? They are all a bunch of morons of they think this resolution does anything useful!

[Castina]

Just watched the episode and a few things stood out to me: 

1.  They never expected Lisa to show up at the spin class, that table was set for 6 people.  The restaurant and the ladies knew in advance they would be eating/filming there and Teddi arranged it.  The whole "she didn't even show up" was for the cameras and the tabloid storyline.  

2. Harry's explanation fits other cast members much more than Lisa V ie.. Rinna, Erika and/or Dorit.  In his scenario the plot is to dethrone the queen and take her place.  If Lisa V is the queen the others think she is and gets away with things with production then it makes no sense she desires to dethrone herself.  

3.  I don't see what Lisa gains by leaking the story.  They were already filming and the whole dog thing was a story on film so it was going public already.  At Denise's wedding it's the other ladies who seemed more bothered Lisa V is moving past this and not addressing it.  So it's seems convenient timing that post wedding this story is leaked to stir it all up again.  I just don't see the benefit of Lisa V making that move and think it only hurts a longtime friendship with PK. 

4.  Lisa's reaction to Kyle.  They have had a fun friendship to watch but there has always been underlying trust issues as we have seen throughout the seasons.  But despite those I think there was still love and friendship there which is why I think Lisa V reacts so strongly to Kyle.  This was not discussed pre-filming (as I think most of the scenes on this show are done) , Lisa V was blindsided by Kyle.  She had no warning Kyle was coming there with this topic of conversation and then despite swearing on her children etc.. Kyle stood there and said she didn't believe her.  For Lisa V I think that is the lightbulb moment where feels Kyle just wasn't the friend she thought she was.   

I think it's similar to the moment Luanne had with Dorinda on RHNYC.  That feeling that despite disagreements and nonsense over the years there is a genuine love and friendship there but in each case one says something to the other that makes them reveal their true feelings and the friendship dies.  I think in both shows, these two moments are some of the most real and honest moments we see.  I know that feeling, it happens in life, and I think there we saw real, unscripted pain and realization.  It's also why these two rifts have lasted as long as they have, the pain is real.  I have more hope for Luann and Dorinda though.

5.  Finally, it could be editing of course, but the face on Teddi when Dorit did her crying scene made me wonder if Teddi thought  she was milking it.  Kyle as well.   But they are so deeply into this storyline that they aren't seeing other options.  Not with cheerleaders Rinna and Erika on the sidelines encouraging them.  

[Dutchgirl]

10 hours ago, esco1822 said:

If people stopped laughing at Rinna’s terrible impressions, maybe she’d stop. She’s a world champion shit-stirrer.

I fast forward thru her and "stay at home" (aka Unemployed) hubby's boring segments..."blah blah I'M A HUSTLER! blah". 

Next.

[Higgins]

9 hours ago, janiema said:

One is never quite sure of the timeline for these shows but it seems that while the others were riding bikes (albeit for charity) and whining about her absence, Lisa was involved with a Congressman passing a bill relating to animal cruelty. 

Except that was NOT a Bill.

[eleanorofaquitaine]

17 minutes ago, Higgins said:

Except that was NOT a Bill.

Yes, I don't want to downplay the importance of a non-binding resolution but that's all it was - a non-binding resolution. No actual policy was changed. It's an important public relations victory on the issue and can set up other, actual policy change but as of right now, all that resolution did is express disapproval of the practice. 

[Higgins]

6 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

I’m not even the biggest LVP fan, but these housewives are awful. 

Dorit’s dog ended up at a shelter!!!!!

I don’t care if LVP arranged for a 24/7 chyron, announcing what Dorit did, to appear on every TV screen, movie theatre screen, youtube video, iPad, cell phone, and the Nasdaq screen in Times Square, but denied it; Dorit’s actions were infinitely more despicable.

I agree. The problem to me is she didn't stand up and hold Dorit responsible. That would have been the ethical action. So this is my problem with LVP is If she "protected" Dorit  That's worse.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Higgins

[Chit Chat]

2 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

It's an important public relations victory on the issue and can set up other, actual policy change but as of right now, all that resolution did is express disapproval of the practice. 

At least it's a step in the right direction!  It speaks highly of someone who would take the time to either start or get involved with this kind of initiative.  I was curious though when they said it passed by 2/3's vote (correct me if I'm wrong.)  Who were in the 1/3 that voted no and why?  I need to look this up.

51 minutes ago, bkathi said:

Well, if I were married to Rinna I would run to Canada too.  And I'm not sure about the "all alone" part.  Or even about the camping part.

I hope it's not a bad omen for Rinna & Harry, but she mentioned how she doesn't know why they're still together since they don't have much in common.  Then she mentioned how excited he was to leave and go camping.  I know she said it in jest, but remember when Ramona of NYC kept bragging about how she & Mario were so happy, then bam, splitsville!  

Dear Kyle:  Just because you keep telling someone you love them doesn't mean that you can stand there and call them a liar to their face!  I think she needs a refresher course on the rules of friendship. Watching Kyle as she drove over to LVP's house to confront her made me think of all of those horror movies when the person is getting ready to open a door and you're sitting there yelling at your screen "don't do it, don't do it!!"  

[Mr. Miner]

If the scene at VPD was even a little glimpse into their new show, consider me not even a little bit interested.

[Jel]

3 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I don't really understand this argument that, if everything happened as she says it did, the foundation is shone in a poor light. If Dorit did not follow foundation rules - and I have no reason to believe she did, since her arguments have been weak - then the foundation is as much a victim as anyone. Making sure that everyone understands that Dorit didn't follow your foundation's rules is precisely the kind of thing I would recommend a client to do in a case like this. (I would also recommend just being upfront about that rather than playing shady non-attribution games).

As for 2 and 3, LVP has been doing this kind of thing for a long-time and getting away with it. I doubt she sincerely thought it would cause problems with Kyle. And she didn't factor in Teddi basically switching team at the last minute, therefore putting her on the outside with everyone. She likely assumed that Kyle and Teddi would be on her side and that is why IMO she reacted so strongly to Kyle's questions. Because she realized that she has no allies left and that the ground shifted without her noticing. 

What kind of thing exactly? That's a vague and general criticism, but what specifically, that would count as evidence in our mock trial? 😉  

I'm really trying to see this as you have laid it out here, but I just can't because all I really have to go on is Kyle's paranoia about Lisa and her "chess playing".  I hope someone will take the time to write out all Lisa's offenses, so I can see them in black and white. 

In the actual evidence column, we have Radar Online telling us that Lisa was not the source of the story. That's actual evidence, but somehow, that is dismissed because "Lisa had a minion do it! DUH!" or "Lisa has a relationship with Radar Online -- of course they are going to lie for her -- DUH!"  Kyle and co. will not let the truth deter them from their theory! 

In the actual evidence column (character division 😉 ) we also have Lisa's accomplishments including the things she's done for animals, things she's done for others, and friends she has defended (sometimes to her detriment) over the years.  (Her jabby sense of humor and her ability to say things in "not so many words" are actually enjoyed by some people.)

From my pov, the other HWs are pissed that Lisa just keeps winning. I see them as petty and competitive, and their sudden championing of Dorit (over this, off all things) seems disingenuous at best (that's me being very generous).  It's all very sketchy.

And even if Lisa did plant the story, which I don't think she did, I sincerely do not care anyway. It's all a giant nothingburger to me. 

[Jel]

58 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

I answered this idea about "keeping the peace" above. Beyond the fact that it isn't really her MO, I think it's way more likely she just didn't anticipate Teddi turning on her and Kyle expressing any doubts. 

As for thinking Dorit's harmless, that shouldn't really have any bearing on being upset. In other words, Dorit sincerely did mess up in her actions. She had every right to want to return the dog but she should have followed the rules. If I was LVP, I would have been upset that Dorit violated the contract and I would have had every reason to. Dorit's harmlessness should have no bearing on calling her out when she did something wrong. LVP's problem is that she didn't want to be seen as a bad guy but the irony is that she wouldn't have been seen as the bad guy if she had just been upfront about her anger.

I hear ya. It's clear we see Lisa and her intentions differently. 

[Higgins]

21 minutes ago, eleanorofaquitaine said:

Yes, I don't want to downplay the importance of a non-binding resolution but that's all it was - a non-binding resolution. No actual policy was changed. It's an important public relations victory on the issue and can set up other, actual policy change but as of right now, all that resolution did is express disapproval of the practice. 

It also got the Congressman on TV "fighting" against what almost all Americans would disapprove of. Not that impressive.

Edited April 3, 2019 by Higgins