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1 hour ago, Zella said:

I personally don't think Lauren is an introvert. I am pretty introverted (to the point of being antisocial) but not at all shy, and I speak my mind. I think people mistakenly assume I am not introverted. What makes someone introverted is not a matter of shyness. It's just that they need to recharge after social interactions because it drains rather than energizes them. I can be very chatty and friendly and even abnormally outgoing, but it lasts about an hour or two at the most before I need to get the fuck away and recreationally isolate, as I like to call it.

Lauren doesn't seem to dislike events because she is overwhelmed. She seems to dislike them because she is not getting any attention. That's not a introvert/extrovert thing--that's a narcissistic thing. 

I'm sure Duggar events are absolute hell to any normal person, but I really don't think she would mind them if she got the attention she felt she was due. 

That's true, because at the gender reveal they had, she was center of attention and she did seem to love the attention. (The one with them popping the balloons, that was for the gender reveal while pregnant with Bella, wasn't it? Or was it for the first one she miscarried? There are so many pregnancies in that cult, that they have become one giant blur.) 

Either way, she was all smiles, happy and chatty. So my theory is out the window. Lol

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12 minutes ago, Spazamanaz said:

That's true, because at the gender reveal they had, she was center of attention and she did seem to love the attention. (The one with them popping the balloons, that was for the gender reveal while pregnant with Bella, wasn't it? Or was it for the first one she miscarried? There are so many pregnancies in that cult, that they have become one giant blur.) 

Either way, she was all smiles, happy and chatty. So my theory is out the window. Lol

I've not watched much of the show, but watching her lying on a couch in sight of everyone else during that marriage retreat when she claimed to not be feeling well was something straight out of the "look at me" playbook. That was pretty much true of every single thing she did during that episode. She wasn't getting attention because it focused on everyone, so she went about getting it the most passive-aggressive way possible.

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4 hours ago, BigBingerBro said:

I'll place a bet that she prays nightly for this.  I can see it now.  As the Howlers leave the nest and the Lost Girls grow up, it makes room for her brood to invade the TTH.  But, will Boob & Lolly move into the laundry room suite?  Time will tell....

They are very well placed to inherit the house for their brood to move into. I’m sure Anna sees the warehouse as a staging area and is patiently biding her time. 

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19 minutes ago, Zella said:

I've not watched much of the show, but watching her lying on a couch in sight of everyone else during that marriage retreat when she claimed to not be feeling well was something straight out of the "look at me" playbook. That was pretty much true of every single thing she did during that episode. She wasn't getting attention because it focused on everyone, so she went about getting it the most passive-aggressive way possible.

Oh, I forgot about that one. I do see what you're saying. Josiah and Lauren don't seem to work well together. It seemed that they both wanted the project to go their own way and weren't willing to cooperate or even listen to each other. So she feigns feeling sick and gives up. That's how it seemed to me. This couple is probably the ones that could use any marriage retreat the most! I also think that Josiah's fun, joking, easy attitude irritates her. She probably expects him to be standing beside her just as miserable as she is. She does always have a dark cloud looming over her.

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1 hour ago, Spazamanaz said:

Oh, I forgot about that one. I do see what you're saying. Josiah and Lauren don't seem to work well together. It seemed that they both wanted the project to go their own way and weren't willing to cooperate or even listen to each other. So she feigns feeling sick and gives up. That's how it seemed to me. This couple is probably the ones that could use any marriage retreat the most! I also think that Josiah's fun, joking, easy attitude irritates her. She probably expects him to be standing beside her just as miserable as she is. She does always have a dark cloud looming over her.

They were an abysmal team--and I agree that they were both stubborn. I was expecting Ben and Jessa to be the worse team, but they worked better together than Josiah and Lauren did. Their dynamic basically seems like he can't read her or chooses not to, she reacts in the most toxically passive-aggressive fashion imaginable, and then he responds by spinelessly groveling, which just makes her even more passive-aggressive. It wouldn't surprise me if his ignoring her and then groveling is passive-aggressive in its own right if only to get martyr points with any onlookers or for pending fights.🤣 ("You didn't listen to me!" "Well, I was the one who read the vows into the damn phone--where were you?!") 

To be fair to her, I imagine there are issues on both sides, but they were acting like a jaded middle-aged couple on the verge of divorce in an Edward Albee play instead of relative newlyweds. 

And yes I suspect you're right that she expects him to react any way except the way he acts. 

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So people were watching Jessa's Thanksgiving video and noticed something. Dwain, Lana, and one of Lauren's sisters were holding the same baby at different times during the video. The baby wasn't Bella and looked too young to be their 2 year old. Dwain and Lana, Lauren's parents, had a baby in February 2018  four months before Lauren and Si married. So this baby looked younger than thaat 2.5 years old. Also Lana had a big scarf that might be a nursing cover. 

It's speculated Lauren's parents had a baby this year, based on above. The new baby seems to be a boy. He could just be a friend's baby, but he is consistently held by the Swansons. They had 9 kids when Lauren and Si married. If this is their baby, this would Swanson #10.  Lana is 44 soon to be 45.  I actually thought she might be pregnant, when Lauren gave birth to Bella. It would explain Lana letting Michelle take the lead and not really being in the room when her daughter gave birth. 

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I was just thinking that Kendra is the only Duggar who is  currently pregnant.  Bella is a year old so I guess it's only a matter of time until we hear she will be getting a sibling.

Given her history it is possible that Lauren has decided to wait longer to announce any subsequent pregnancies.  That is actually a sensible idea.

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I'm kind of hoping that Lauren's pregnancy and birth process put her off having another one. Bella's an adorable doll that she can dress up and I doubt Josiah cares one way or the other about having more kids. 

I realize it's a pipe dream, but I want more for these kids* than popping out half a dozen babies before they're 30.

*I know they're adults but their they're around the same age and younger than my own kids.

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Hmmm, an obvious reference to How the Grinch Stole Christmas. I wonder how many Duggars know the story

I remember a video Josh did talking about putting Christ back into Christmas. Surely JB & M know the Grinch story. They certainly are getting lax in what they're allowing their younger kids to be exposed to.

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Gee, Lauren dressed up as a "Mrs. Claus-type" and Josiah as the Grinch. Didn't the parents make a special point to let us know that they absolutely did not include ANY un-christian symbols, traditions regarding their Christmas holiday? They stated that they flat out disregard a belief in Santa Claus as soon as the baby left the womb?...no Christmas tree, it's religious ONLY. So, what happened? I love how the DON'T EXPLAIN changes in their practices....I'd like to know why this is not ok.

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2 hours ago, floridamom said:

Gee, Lauren dressed up as a "Mrs. Claus-type" and Josiah as the Grinch. Didn't the parents make a special point to let us know that they absolutely did not include ANY un-christian symbols, traditions regarding their Christmas holiday? They stated that they flat out disregard a belief in Santa Claus as soon as the baby left the womb?...no Christmas tree, it's religious ONLY. So, what happened? I love how the DON'T EXPLAIN changes in their practices....I'd like to know why this is not ok.

They've had Christmas trees on and off since Josh was little, but they don't celebrate Santa and never have, as far as I know. 

Michelle freaked out when Jessa and Ben held hands during prayer, pre-engagement and she almost fell over herself when 5 year old Josie's sweater slipped and exposed her shoulder. Neither of which have anything to do with Jesus.

But like you said, during a season in which Jesus is celebrated, they let the Grinch in, with nary a peep.

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2 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I agree. Say Lauren falls in love with an "S" or a "T" name. Is she going to forgo them for the sake of sticking to the theme? A theme nobody really gives a crap about?

IMO a theme was a necessity for JB and Michelle.   First they were marking out their cult identity as progeny of JB.   Then it was a means of attracting ever more eyeballs as they began to multiply and became very, very fruitful.   

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2 hours ago, BitterApple said:

I agree. Say Lauren falls in love with an "S" or a "T" name. Is she going to forgo them for the sake of sticking to the theme? A theme nobody really gives a crap about?

Poor Lauren. I think that when she was planning her wedding to whatshisname Duggar, she expected to be the next Breakout Star™ on TLC. She hadn't gotten the memo that nobody outshines, outranks, or grabs the spotlight from JB and Michelle, even if their TLC screentime is down since Joshgate. Nobody.

And, sorry, Lauren, nobody much, out in the great American public, cares whether your loinfruit are alphabetized or not. 

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1 hour ago, Jeeves said:

Poor Lauren. I think that when she was planning her wedding to whatshisname Duggar, she expected to be the next Breakout Star™ on TLC. She hadn't gotten the memo that nobody outshines, outranks, or grabs the spotlight from JB and Michelle, even if their TLC screentime is down since Joshgate. Nobody.

And, sorry, Lauren, nobody much, out in the great American public, cares whether your loinfruit are alphabetized or not. 

hahaha - this is how I picture Mama Spivey feeling right now while planning her daughter's wedding to whatshisname Duggar. Only mama spivey wants to be right there with the 2 she expects/hopes will be the next breakout stars. Hilary is probably figuring out a naming scheme for Claritin's baby train even as we speak....

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On 12/23/2020 at 5:29 AM, floridamom said:

How much money do these people spend on silly costumes?

Well, they'll never have to pay for school uniforms. Or for anybody to go to college. 😁

(Even if they follow their mom to her college, those schools don't keep you long and aren't very expensive.....But Lauren seems to have disliked college, and she's a Duggar now......So I guess I'm betting her kid/kids won't go at all....)

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On 12/24/2020 at 5:11 AM, floridamom said:

Gee, Lauren dressed up as a "Mrs. Claus-type" and Josiah as the Grinch. Didn't the parents make a special point to let us know that they absolutely did not include ANY un-christian symbols, traditions regarding their Christmas holiday? They stated that they flat out disregard a belief in Santa Claus as soon as the baby left the womb?...no Christmas tree, it's religious ONLY. So, what happened? I love how the DON'T EXPLAIN changes in their practices....I'd like to know why this is not ok.

Maybe they're trying to be more relatable to the masses as their TeeVee audience slowly slips away. ... Can't afford for it to dip below a million. So -- in with Santa and the Grinch. 

JB and M have only ever believed what's congenial to their desires and convenient for those two in particular, anyway. 

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On 12/24/2020 at 5:11 AM, floridamom said:

Didn't the parents make a special point to let us know that they absolutely did not include ANY un-christian symbols, traditions regarding their Christmas holiday? They stated that they flat out disregard a belief in Santa Claus as soon as the baby left the womb?...no Christmas tree, it's religious ONLY. So, what happened? I love how the DON'T EXPLAIN changes in their practices....I'd like to know why this is not ok.

Over on the Duggars' Facebook page, they're denying that they EVER said that they're against Santa or Christmas trees. It's just that sometimes they include these things in their celebration and sometimes they don't. Yeah, right.

2 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

Absolutely, as Hillary Spivey is about to find out.

I'm sure that Jim Bob has already pegged Hillary as a potential source of trouble and will ice her out as soon as he can.

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A quote from Michelle - 

“Early in our marriage, Jim Bob and I really wanted to focus on the real meaning of Christmas. And so, we didn’t focus on Santa. We kept that idea out of the whole celebration, we explained to the children who Santa was historically, but focused on his good deeds and his ministering to children. We tell them about the true person of Saint Nicholas, but don’t sensationalize him.”

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2 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

A quote from Michelle - 

“Early in our marriage, Jim Bob and I really wanted to focus on the real meaning of Christmas. And so, we didn’t focus on Santa. We kept that idea out of the whole celebration, we explained to the children who Santa was historically, but focused on his good deeds and his ministering to children. We tell them about the true person of Saint Nicholas, but don’t sensationalize him.”

Lord, the smug sanctimonious bullsh*t is just endless with these people.

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10 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

A quote from Michelle - 

“Early in our marriage, Jim Bob and I really wanted to focus on the real meaning of Christmas. And so, we didn’t focus on Santa. We kept that idea out of the whole celebration, we explained to the children who Santa was historically, but focused on his good deeds and his ministering to children. We tell them about the true person of Saint Nicholas, but don’t sensationalize him.”

Ah, yes. Meechelle "explaining" anything "historically." 

That'll be the day. 

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3 hours ago, Churchhoney said:

Ah, yes. Meechelle "explaining" anything "historically." 

That'll be the day. 

Said in a whispery, sing/songy voice -

So when St Nicholas saw the joy his gifts brought, he wanted to spread his kindness to all the little boys and girls. He knew he'd need help, so he gathered up some pterodactyls to fly his sled all over the world.

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4 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

Said in a whispery, sing/songy voice -

So when St Nicholas saw the joy his gifts brought, he wanted to spread his to kindness all the little boys and girls. He knew he need help, so he gathered up some pterodactyls to fly his sled all over the world.

It's barely 6 am here in Colorado and I'm only halfway through my first cup of coffee. At first I read that as "gathered up some pterodactyls to fly his weed all over the world."

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I can't read or write just yet. sorry.
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