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30 minutes ago, stuffstuff said:

20 years ago I would have agreed with this. Now even if that's the case the people of this type of belief system have a ton they can throw back. It's easy enough for them to point to the generation that graduated college from 2006-2012 and snark about debt and no jobs. 

What I don't get though is JB has to know he isn't young anymore. In 10-15 years he might want to back off from some of the day-to-day aspects of the business. One of those boys will be transitioned into running the business and they've hamstringed them all as far as we've seen in terms of education, and what roles they have them do with the business. 

JB seems to have made most of his money from TLC and property investments. Neither of those require a lot of day to day grind. They do have some properties they maintain and a house here or there that they rehab, but other than that, JB sits back and watches his investments grow. He's basically been semi-retired since TLC came along.

I'm thinking maybe JD and Joe might have the wherewithal to understand property investment.

But your right, if JB is keeping all the kids in the dark, they'll likely all struggle to some degree.

I'm really curious with Josiah, although I think he might have a real estate license. But he doesn't seem to be very smart or motivated.

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5 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I'm really curious with Josiah, although I think he might have a real estate license. But he doesn't seem to be very smart or motivated.

I feel for Josiah I think he’s really smart and motivated , if it’s something he’s interested in. I get the feeling he’d love to have gone off to college, do something different with his life. Joe went to college why not him? Even if the only thing he did was bible study, that little taste of freedom could’ve changed him. I hate JB & Michelle why are they so damn controlling. Even the Bates with the same beliefs let their children go to college. Instead he’s stuck with a wife and baby on the way and he probably doesn’t even want that life. 

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1 hour ago, Puffin said:

I feel for Josiah I think he’s really smart and motivated , if it’s something he’s interested in. I get the feeling he’d love to have gone off to college, do something different with his life. Joe went to college why not him? Even if the only thing he did was bible study, that little taste of freedom could’ve changed him. I hate JB & Michelle why are they so damn controlling. Even the Bates with the same beliefs let their children go to college. Instead he’s stuck with a wife and baby on the way and he probably doesn’t even want that life. 

I think without the show/money/fame Josiah would’ve been one of the middle kids who deflected. He’s just “different”. Some have speculated that he’s gay (I don’t know it’s possible) but I don’t think his innate personality is cut out for this lifestyle. They would never let him go anywhere cause there would be a huge chance he wouldn’t come back!

Something happened to Josiah. Extroverted, bubbly, talkative pre-teens don’t become quiet submissive adults without some sort of trauma/illness/depression. He was so vibrant as a young child and then they separated him from Joy-Anna and he lost his spark. 

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Because the Duggars raise kids ass backwards - treating kids as adults and adolescents as children, Josiah stood out. He let his natural (and normal) kid spirit shine. When he didn't 'mature on schedule' he was sent to alert.

Now he is a true adult, behaving as he is expected to do. To make matters worse, he's married to a morose drama queen who will only reinforce the message that Josiah has received from JB & M; that his humor and fun loving nature is immature and silly.

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13 hours ago, stuffstuff said:

What I don't get though is JB has to know he isn't young anymore. In 10-15 years he might want to back off from some of the day-to-day aspects of the business. One of those boys will be transitioned into running the business and they've hamstringed them all as far as we've seen in terms of education, and what roles they have them do with the business. 

People like Jim Bob or Michelle could care less about what happens after they themselves are gone.

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I really don't know what to make of Josiah. In the very early days of However Many Kids and Counting, he was the main tween talking head and he was always doing the "our family does things a little bit differently" shtick, which earned him the nickname "Smugger Junior". Then there was the Josie, or was it Jubilee pregnancy announcement where he ran out of the room. Then, as far as I remember, he kind of went off the radar for a while but popped up with snappy duds, ambition and a big personality. It almost seemed like he was getting ready to make a break for it. Next Marjorie came on the scene and, while they were way too young, they both seemed to have energetic, theatrical personalities. Then Marjorie split and the next thing we know, we have Lauren and the transformation of Josiah into a dull, possibly unemployed Duggan-Boy-bot. 

It makes me really sad to see such a change from that smart and spunky kid and I just can't see Lauren the drama queen encouraging him to grow back into his own person.

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40 minutes ago, satrunrose said:

I really don't know what to make of Josiah. In the very early days of However Many Kids and Counting, he was the main tween talking head and he was always doing the "our family does things a little bit differently" shtick, which earned him the nickname "Smugger Junior". Then there was the Josie, or was it Jubilee pregnancy announcement where he ran out of the room. Then, as far as I remember, he kind of went off the radar for a while but popped up with snappy duds, ambition and a big personality. It almost seemed like he was getting ready to make a break for it. Next Marjorie came on the scene and, while they were way too young, they both seemed to have energetic, theatrical personalities. Then Marjorie split and the next thing we know, we have Lauren and the transformation of Josiah into a dull, possibly unemployed Duggan-Boy-bot. 

It makes me really sad to see such a change from that smart and spunky kid and I just can't see Lauren the drama queen encouraging him to grow back into his own person.

Marjorie and her family split after the first Smuggar scandal.  You're right, they were too young, but they seemed like kindred spirits.  Unless Lauren matures into a completely different person, she isn't going to be encouraging him to do anything but what she wants/needs.  

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On 7/20/2019 at 5:10 PM, Jynnan tonnix said:

No Veenys? Or Maarz ?

Veenys rhymes with penis so that is prob a no.  Also, Venus looked like a hussy.   HA! Who am I kidding.  They don't know about Goddess Venus.  

On 7/20/2019 at 9:02 PM, mynextmistake said:

Venus sounds too much like penis.

Shoulda read further...I said the same thing!

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43 minutes ago, Churchhoney said:

I have a feeling Lauren married into a TeeVee family (sorry, Jessa -- you are one) to increase the amount of attention she gets....exponentially, if possible. 

I think that was just a bonus. First, Lauren wanted to get married before she turned into a withered unmarried 20 year old, so I'm guessing an everyday Fundy male would have been fine if Josiah hadn't come around. Second, I think Lauren gains far more of what she's looking for in face-to-face daily interactions. She needs the facial expressions, she needs folks to show up and do things for her while she lays in bed. She needs folks to watch her carry-on as she 'struggles'. SM sympathy and attention could never fulfill Lauren's drama queen needs alone.

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As you are all very well aware, everyone is allowed to have their own opinions of both Joy and Lauren. People can criticize or praise whoever they like. What is NOT allowed here is for anyone to criticize the opinions of other posters, whether specifically or in aggregate. Comment on the Duggars, not on each other.

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10 minutes ago, sleepysuzy said:

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My previous post was about this, not anything on here. These are messages responding directly to her. Lauren can't even post a simple commiseration and agreement without drawing ire. If you check out the thread, the hundreds of other people sharing detailed stories about losing children get no such reaction on IG. 

I just don't see anything offensive about anything Lauren has said about her miscarriage. I think I'd be sad, too, and I'd probably want to talk about it, even if I was pregnant again.

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12 minutes ago, sleepysuzy said:

My previous post was about this, not anything on here. These are messages responding directly to her. Lauren can't even post a simple commiseration and agreement without drawing ire. If you check out the thread, the hundreds of other people sharing detailed stories about losing children get no such reaction on IG. 

I just don't see anything offensive about anything Lauren has said about her miscarriage. I think I'd be sad, too, and I'd probably want to talk about it, even if I was pregnant again.

Well, unlike the other posters, Lauren is a Teevee stah now so like it or not, she is going to get attention, good or bad. She is going to be scrutinized more than other random strangers on the internet, and people are way more willing to tell a z list reality star that they are 'wrong'.

 If she really wants to express her condolences and NOT get bad attention, I am sure she has Joy's phone number

However I think lauren loves the 'positive' attention so much that the negative doesn't bother her. She keeps directing her sympathetic comments back to herself despite all the negative feedback. 

I didn't think this latest comment was as bad as some of the others, FWIW. but considering the heat from the other posts I probably wouldn't have said anything about myself if I was her. 

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42 minutes ago, Puffin said:

Honestly some of the comments on there are shocking, I hope Lauren didn’t read them.

The anonymity of the internet gives bullies confidence. 

I think there's a distinct difference between judging from afar and actually targeting people. I disagree with a lot that many public personas do but I would never express that in a mean, targeted way to them directly. 

I do think Lauren enjoys drama and being dramatic, and not just in regards to her miscarriage. But I would never tell her that, especially as an anonymous Instagram commenter, and especially especially in such biting words. It's not my place and really, what does it gain me?

People can be cruel, especially online. And just because someone is a public figure and one feels like that have easy access doesn't give one a free pass to be mean.

I also hope Lauren doesn't pay attention to the comments. 

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18 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

Stole this from the other site:  https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2019/08/josiah-duggar-clashing-with-jim-bob-headed-for-mental-breakdown/

I hadn't heard anything about this FB page.  I am intrigued.  Could be BS or things could get a tad more interesting.  

The article failed to bring the receipts, so I'm thinking this is BS.  The Facebook account may be defunct, but the info is still out there, nothing is ever gone from the Internet.  

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 I’m going to agree that this reads like speculation, but anyone who has to live with Lauren  would likely be cracking now. I’d still love to see that alleged Facebook account. He could be more like Josh than we realize.

 I’ll also point out that there were no receipts about the accusations against Josh for many years, they turned out to be true. 

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8 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

You are a total buzzkiller.  HA!!!!!!

Sorry to be a buzzkill.  I'm at work so the information professional switch is turned on.  I love some juicy gossip, but this set my BS meter off.  I want the "journalists" of The Hollywood Gossip to take the time to get the receipts and not just write up something from an "unnamed source."  I want screenshots of these flirtatious FB posts, don't tease me with conjectures.  

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1 hour ago, JoanArc said:

 I’m going to agree that this reads like speculation, but anyone who has to live with Lauren  would likely be cracking now

Not to mention somebody who had to be raised by JB and M.

And who had a breakup (from somebody he seemed to kind of like, and she him....) -- a breakup that's supposedly a scandal (because, hey, it's a HUGE scandal when two people under age 21 have their first "romance" together and break up without marrying!) .....

And who then was clearly rushed into marriage BY PARENTS way too soon thereafter....

And who's had to go through frigglng ALERT a bunch of times to brainwash dog knows what crap into his head ....

AND who now has to live with a major drama queen -- potentially FOREVER --  when they don't even appear to like each other ....

And who may read on the internet that now, in the 21st century, something that Jinger is doing qualifies as "rebellion" and that he may be the next to "rebel" or the first to lose his mind...

Honestly, any of them who aren't total idiots or willfully blind have to know that the things called "rebellion" by these stupid media accounts -- and perhaps by their parents? -- aren't even things, let alone rebellions....

Poor Josiah. What a mess his parents, his cult, and the media-"fame" machine they've all been forcibly crammed into have made of his life.    

Among other heartbreaking things here, I loathe the disingenuousness of the gossip rags that act as if they buy JB's and M's (and Gothard's) ideas about what constitutes "rebellion" and "scandal" and the like. They do harm to the Duggarlings constantly, in my opinion. And unfortunately many of the Duggarlings are misguided enough to give media and social media additional fodder by putting their personal lives on there. 

1 hour ago, Ohiopirate02 said:

Sorry to be a buzzkill.  I'm at work so the information professional switch is turned on.  I love some juicy gossip, but this set my BS meter off.  I want the "journalists" of The Hollywood Gossip to take the time to get the receipts and not just write up something from an "unnamed source."  I want screenshots of these flirtatious FB posts, don't tease me with conjectures.  

The "insider" is probably Pickles. 

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43 minutes ago, Nysha said:

I wonder what Lauren did that pushed her parents into agreeing to marry her off to a sinning Duggar son? She doesn't look any happier than Josiah, although she's better at smiling.

 Imagine parenting a kid like that for 18 years.  You don’t have to go any deeper than that. “Young lady if you say gluten one more time, I’ll put you in a punishment marriage! “

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I don't think it's a punishment marriage for Lauren, just for Josiah. I think that Lauren, like Anna, was given the "opportunity" to serve the Lord by marrying a sinner in need of her redemptive "help." I think that she's even more insufferably smug about her righteousness than Anna was -- and it's my understanding that her MIL and SIL's really disliked her when she and Josh married.

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16 hours ago, cmr2014 said:

I don't think it's a punishment marriage for Lauren, just for Josiah. I think that Lauren, like Anna, was given the "opportunity" to serve the Lord by marrying a sinner in need of her redemptive "help." I think that she's even more insufferably smug about her righteousness than Anna was -- and it's my understanding that her MIL and SIL's really disliked her when she and Josh married.

Just curious:  Where did you hear that?  That's news to me...

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On 8/8/2019 at 12:47 PM, 3 is enough said:

Just curious:  Where did you hear that?  That's news to me...

I believe that I hear it on this board -- or TWOP.

It's possible that the people who made these statements were just drawing a conclusion from the lack of apparent warmth between them. Having seen more of how the sisters interact among themselves and with J'chelle, it's entirely possible that this was just their normal level of faux warmth and Anna is no more or less liked than any of the sisters.

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Anna did oddly call Michelle Mrs. Duggar in the beginning. Anna's non-verbals had me thinking she was waiting for Michelle to suggest calling her something else or Mrs. Duggar is what Michelle preferred.

In later episodes she has called Michelle, Momma Duggar and Michelle. I believe she has always referred to JB as Pops.

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Yeah, I can believe the part about a theoretical fake Facebook account.

But plenty of the other things sound like they sourced them from here.  Marjorie "using Josiah for fame" (lol)?  Even in the fundie world, Marjorie's not famous.  She's accomplished and clearly ambitious; but I don't think she's cutthroat ambitious in the manner of a Kardashian or something.  I don't get the vibe off Marjorie that she wants to become, say, a fundie Martha Stewart or similar.  Where would a Gothard/IBLP-raised homeschooler look to as a role model, in order to develop such a vibe?

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16 minutes ago, tabloidlover said:

Poor is me with this pregnancy also??   She is such a martyr 🙄🙄

Poor Josiah, his life must be a living hell about now.

She really does lay it on pretty thick.  Very self involved and sure that anything and everything that happens to her is far more traumatic and harder for her than anyone else' life experience.  I can't wait for her to have the baby so we can hear about the horrors of her labor and delivery and how she bravely bore her suffering because Jesus.

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