S22.E12: After the Final Rose

[Alapaki]

I think Lauren’s next thought will be her first.

Was Arie ever asked what he would have done if Lauren had refused to talk to him when he reached out?

[TVbitch]

Jimmy Kimmel's interview with Arie/Lauren on his show last night was hilarious. He did not hold back and pretty much made fun of them the whole interview and told them their new engagement was stupid. It was a good laugh.   

[Wings]

2 hours ago, Alapaki said:

I think Lauren’s next thought will be her first.

Was Arie ever asked what he would have done if Lauren had refused to talk to him when he reached out?

No, but it was clear that he would have stayed with Becca, for a spell anyway.  Why else would he have said if Lauren doesn't want me I have risked it all.?  Translation, he would have risked his relationship with Becca which he wanted if he could have Lauren.  

Edited March 7, 2018 by Wings

[LisaWl7TR]

I call bs.

Ratings.

3 actors/actresses.

Ari knew he had a reputation so he played along.

Moo

ETA Becca works as a publicist! Hmmm...

Edited March 7, 2018 by LisaWl7TR

[Cajungirl64]

8 minutes ago, Armchair Critic said:

Nick and Dean's video of the breakup

LMAO!! (Don't judge me - this was funny as s***). 

[Jax7917]

I know everyone feels bad for Becca , and obviously there's good reason to. But none of this stuff worked out in the shows favor and none of it worked out in Arie's favor. It really only worked out in Becca's favor because she dodged a huge bullet by being dumped by Arie early on and not 6 months from now. He wanted it filmed but it only made him look like a fool, not her. She has America's sympathy and now is the center of attention in a good way whereas before this all happened, she would not have been chosen as the bachelorette (most likely) and inevitably, they would have broken up anyway. Even when he dumped her, she didn't seem like she cared all that much. It felt like she was trying to push out tears. And now she gets to choose from 25 guys and have her pick of the litter as well as getting paid for her season to basically travel and have a fiance of her choice. Doesn't seem like she got a bad deal out of this at all. Arie on the other hand will be known as scum for many years to come and gets nothing out of the deal (and that nothing includes Lauren's personality). 

Also, the producers are such assholes that I'm sure they blackmailed her and said if you don't tell America that we did the right thing by filming this situation, then the bachelorette deal is off. Because magically all the girls that harrison brought on stage agreed that filming the break up was the right thing to do? I'm gonna go with NO. And he wouldn't have let them answer the question on "live" tv if he knew the girls would say how much of a disgrace it was to do that. No one in their right mind believes that that was the right way to go about it.

[missyb]

This  show  is so preposterous . Poor Bekka ( and I like her.mature ,confident). So heart broken over Arie. hey, do you want to be the next bachlorette. Oh yes !! Thank you so much. Lets do it. This process it great. Public humiliations, fun trips, public humiliation . And concludes with 5 hours of rinse repeat rinse repeat/ Is there ver any new dialog or thoughts ?

[debbie311]

2 minutes ago, mcmrdh said:

Becca's pool isn't looking good so far other than the first guy with the accent... I hope they get better or she could be dealing with a bunch of douchebags, as if Arie wasn't enough.

I agree.  The quality of offerings on The Bachelor and Bachelorette has gone down so much from the early days.  I was not impressed with any of the guys they brought out last night and if I were Becca I would be very concerned.  Oh well, as others have said, just enjoy the clothes and travel but don't expect to find true love.  I do wonder if the whole fiasco of the last two nights was totally scripted.  I have completely lost whatever respect I might have had for Chris Harrison.  He just comes across as a sleaze ball to me.

I admit I didn't watch this season except for the last two nights.  Arie seems like a total jerk.  I was wishing last night that someone (Becca or CH) would have asked him what he would have done if Lauren had not taken him back.  Stay with Becca because she was better than nothing?  Dude, if you're not into her, then end it, don't wait to make sure there is someone waiting in the wings for you.

Also he was whining and defending himself by saying how hard it was to be on the show, to feel like you have to propose.  (Of course he didn't have to; others haven't.)  But what did he do last night?  Drop to his knee and propose to Lauren on live TV.  When they break up in a few weeks/months, he'll whine to the tabloids that he felt "pressured." Speaking of that, did anyone catch Lauren telling him when they were reunited that she didn't want to wait long for an engagement?  What the hell is wrong with these people?  He was still currently engaged to Becca at that point.  How about taking some time before committing to someone else.  How silly of me -- this whole show is not about common sense. I don't feel sorry for any of them.

[Wings]

I understand why Becca accepted the offer to be next bachette.  If you apply to be in the group of women that means you want to be on a reality show, many people do.  It can open a lot of doors so why not? And you might find love.   She is confident and has a strong sense of self.  She will do well and knows the ropes. 

15 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Jimmy Kimmel's interview with Arie/Lauren on his show last night was hilarious. He did not hold back and pretty much made fun of them the whole interview and told them their new engagement was stupid. It was a good laugh.   

Very funny.

[Palomar]

9 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

I have been saying all along that she was culpable. Talk about a self-involved twit. She has no respect for Becca, nor any class. The girls called Lauren out about the phone call with Arie. That gap was bridged before Becca knew a thing. And she thinks everyone is still going to fawn all over her. I hope she finds some self-awareness in life. For now, she deserves Arie.

It sure sounds like her "condition" of coming back was a quick engagement.  I'm pretty sure she even mentioned the word "engagement" when she let panic attacked Arie into her house.  I keep wondering what her parents think about all these events.

[Mu Shu]

1 hour ago, LennieBriscoe said:

As to the first, I'd say pity moreso than contempt. 

As to the second, um, from what I know of the term, that would be Becca as the Bachelorette.

How so?  It’s a highly paid and coveted position.  Becca gets paid as the Ette, she gets paid to attend events, and sympathetic exposure, which she can spin into big bucks on social media. 

Lauren gets some doofus who doesn’t seem to have a real income.  Sloppy seconds.  Blah blah racing, he likely doesn’t make enough to offset costs.

[Wings]

Someone did the video on their phone so it isn't great but a refresher on some of the new Bachelors for Becca. 

[sasha206]

14 hours ago, calpurnia99 said:

OH FER FUCKS SAKE!!! They had him go talk to Mesnick? WHY WHY WHY do I watch this crapfest? (dramatic music)

And look how shitty that guy aged!  Gut, fat face.  Hard to believe he ever had 27 women fawning over him!

[Boofish]

People break up all the time - ok fine. But how many people have to listen to you tell the woman you left her for 

You are over her 1000%

You hope you didn't do all of what you did for nothing "meaning I traded by bird in the hand for the two in the bush"

Propose to the other woman on national television

Good luck with great value Richard Gere. Arie is the prize behind door #3 - a year supply of turtle wax.

[sasha206]

 

Is it me or are both of these women just okay looking? Becca looks better in real life than the photos but i've always thought her cheeks look like implants and the jaw is huge.  Lauren has an odd honker and is just so plain.

[alexa]

And won't she eventually be disappointed that he dresses like an old man?  I don't think he will give up his sweaters for her.... lol!

[Wings]

8 minutes ago, Palomar said:

9 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

I have been saying all along that she was culpable. Talk about a self-involved twit. She has no respect for Becca, nor any class. The girls called Lauren out about the phone call with Arie. That gap was bridged before Becca knew a thing. And she thinks everyone is still going to fawn all over her. I hope she finds some self-awareness in life. For now, she deserves Arie.

 

It sure sounds like her "condition" of coming back was a quick engagement.  I'm pretty sure she even mentioned the word "engagement" when she let panic attacked Arie into her house.  I keep wondering what her parents think about all these events.

I agree with both.   CH made reference to the friends Lauren made.  Her response sounded as if she wasn't sure she did or lost those she thought she might have.  

I am sure she made it clear she wanted a ring/proposal to recreate the ending that didn't happen for her.  

3 minutes ago, alexa said:

And won't she eventually be disappointed that he dresses like an old man?  I don't think he will give up his sweaters for her.... lol!

Perry Como didn't so why should he?  

[sasha206]

13 hours ago, Mabinogia said:

Sadly, I'm not surprised. But I also don't know what that has to do with anything. 

I think he's saying that relationships formed on the Bachelor aren't on solid ground to begin with given they spend so little time together.  

[huahaha]

5 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

 

Is it me or are both of these women just okay looking? Becca looks better in real life than the photos but i've always thought her cheeks look like implants and the jaw is huge.  Lauren has an odd honker and is just so plain.

Plain looking? Maybe if you live in LA!! If you (general you, not you in particular) knew these women in person, they would be your most beautiful acquaintances.

I think Becca could play Wonder Woman. She's a beauty queen type. Lauren is also beautiful. We're too used to seeing nose jobs on even the naturally gorgeous women. That's a real nose, and I think it suits her. Again, Arie was not worthy of these women.

[Stinamaia]

Well, in a few weeks he won’t be wearing sweaters in Phoenix/Scottsdale.

Planning their wedding already. I wonder if multiple engaged Lauren is more excited about weddings than she is relationships.  

Loved Chris Harrison saying that everyone came out ahead.  

[sasha206]

8 minutes ago, huahaha said:

Plain looking? Maybe if you live in LA!! If you (general you, not you in particular) knew these women in person, they would be your most beautiful acquaintances.

I think Becca could play Wonder Woman. She's a beauty queen type. Lauren is also beautiful. We're too used to seeing nose jobs on even the naturally gorgeous women. That's a real nose, and I think it suits her. Again, Arie was not worthy of these women.

I think Becca would be my most beautiful acquantance in real life but Lauren is plain.  That said, I think Becca has odd facial structure, but she can look striking.  Lauren looks vanilla boring.  I just don't see anything special about Lauren and I don't see her aging well at all.

Edited March 7, 2018 by sasha206

[Boofish]

7 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

 

Is it me or are both of these women just okay looking? Becca looks better in real life than the photos but i've always thought her cheeks look like implants and the jaw is huge.  Lauren has an odd honker and is just so plain.

No it's not just you. Me personally think that 95% of the people on the Bachelor is "ok looking." None of them have been a great beauty in my opinion. The only Bachelor I could see 25 women actually vying for is Brad Womack. And the only B'ette I could see a bunch of men vying for is Emily. Now don't get me wrong. To me there is absolutely NOTHING SPECIAL about Emily. But she is what American men find attractive. 

On a normal day in a normal setting no one would barely turn their head to get a second look at Ashley, Jason, Desiree, De'Anna, both Ben's, that fake Prince .. I could go on.

[truthaboutluv]

2 hours ago, sadie said:

So let me get this straight. We watch Arie all season mislead, manipulate, shove his tongue down multiple girls throats only minutes apart, tell TWO women he is IN LOVE with them only so he can ultimately blind side one of them (because what woman would assume he is saying the exact same things to the other woman) when he chooses one he tells he he will “choose her every day and let’s have some babies!” And yet this douchebag poor excuse for a man REQUESTS they film him breaking the heart of a woman up to that moment he wanted a life with her and he expects us to believe he did it to make sure we knew the relationship falling apart wasn’t HER fault! WHAT THE HOLY FUCK! Is this guy for real? 

Oh it gets worse. This morning on GMA, he threw out that he thought people seeing it would make everyone see how great a Bachelorette she would be. And so you see, Arie was thinking about Becca's future potential Bachelorette opportunity. Totally self-less that Arie. 

Edited March 7, 2018 by truthaboutluv

[Jax7917]

I think Becca has beautiful eyes which light up her whole face.. but yea her cheeks look like she has implants. Lauren is what most guys would call "hot".. and she has a great body.. but her face is just okay.

As for most bachelors/ettes of the past, while I didn't think JoJo was a beauty, I could see a lot of guys vying for her because she has a bubbly, fun personality and she was attractive. Desiree was really sweet but not bachelorette status and for some reason the show treats her like an ugly stepchild and whenever they bring up couples in the franchise who have made it, they seem to always leave her out. Kaitlyn I absolutely do not see 25 men fighting for her. Andi wasn't gorgeous but had a confidence about her (which I found extremely annoying)

I think Ben Higgins is a really good looking guy and I can see a lot of women wanting him. Chris soules not so much.

[Dobian]

I don't even watch this show, but hearing all the hype I couldn't resist watching the finale with my family.  That guy Arie not only has the personality of a dishrag but talks and carries himself like he's 21.  It's like he never emotionally matured past college.  36 year old guys aren't supposed to be like that.  And he's a smooth talking phony on top of it.  Listening to the other rejects, I wish he had proposed to the girl with the huge earrings and dumped her for this Lauren, I would have been able to witness a murder on live tv.  The whole premise of this show is so insane, but people will do anything to get on television.  Competing against a field of women or men to get someone to propose to you is just sheer nonsense.

[GracieK]

28 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

 

Is it me or are both of these women just okay looking? Becca looks better in real life than the photos but i've always thought her cheeks look like implants and the jaw is huge.  Lauren has an odd honker and is just so plain.

I think they are both pretty but not in a knock out kind of way. I don't find Becca's body type to be particularly attractive... she reminds me of Kaitlyn.. very bony with clothes hanging off of her in a non-sexy way. I feel like she could wear more flattering dresses. 

[nutty1]

10 hours ago, Andromeda said:

I know!! She is such a...blank. Getting her to say anything was like pulling teeth for CH. She's so incredibly bleh.

Seeing the girls on the couch together was really cute.

Becca reminds me of a couple of early bachelorettes, like Jillian Harris. I think it will be a stellar season.

She definitely reminds me of Jillian! Maybe we will even get a Reid on her season! ❤️

[Mu Shu]

10 hours ago, Andromeda said:

I know!! She is such a...blank. Getting her to say anything was like pulling teeth for CH. She's so incredibly bleh.

Seeing the girls on the couch together was really cute.

Becca reminds me of a couple of early bachelorettes, like Jillian Harris. I think it will be a stellar season.

Yes, she does remind me of Jillian.  Try as they did to cast her as “hot tub Harris “, Jillian took control of the narrative and came off as likeable.  Sure she was a dumbass in some ways, but she was a decent person.

i guarantee we will have guest appearances from Baby Beckah and Sienne.  Caroline needs to stop trying to make Caroline happen and sit her Katy Mixon looking ass down and go back to her city.  She’s like a job applicant who didn’t get hired acting like an expert on the company over the real employees.   Get out!

[Stan39]

54 minutes ago, Wings said:

I understand why Becca accepted the offer to be next bachette.  If you apply to be in the group of women that means you want to be on a reality show, many people do.  It can open a lot of doors so why not? And you might find love.   She is confident and has a strong sense of self.  She will do well and knows the ropes. 

Very funny.

 

All this really shows me is that neither one of these people really care about anyone else (including, I doubt, each other). Lauren's theory that if she just ignores everything things will work out fine is going to bite her in the ass.  Red flags don't go away just because you bury your head in the sand.  For being 36 and 25, they both were the most immature people this season. Ironically, the shock of the last two episodes is what grabs everyone's attention and is what they THINK is the big hurdle to overcome in their relationship, but even if Arie had originally picked Lauren (and none of the "drama" had ensued) people would still be calling Arie the worst bachelor ever and questioning what he sees in Lauren.

 

https://www.theringer.com/2018/3/7/17091128/the-bachelor-arie-after-the-final-rose

[Mswldflwr]

13 hours ago, Mu Shu said:

Who names a horse Blake?

english guy  I like very much.  

Blake was the guy.  Bradley was the horse.

[yorklee2]

2 hours ago, Stan39 said:

I think people wanted him to not allow production to film the break up (which he could have done) and to show some remorse for his actions (which he still hasn't done, IMO). It's like Beckah said, he's very manipulative and will tell people whatever they want to hear to get what he wants. He's also not a fighter, so if you call him on his bs he won't defend himself, but do you think he's sincere? It's sad that in today's society, just being honest is good enough. What about actually doing the right thing? Even before the breakup there have been multiple instances of Arie showing how little he respects women. This whole season he's shown himself to be pretty immature and self-centered, even if he picked Lauren from the beginning.  I think people wanted to see that he gave a damn about these women he was hurting, but that's just not his MO. Seriously, look up Arie's past. He's not a good guy. This is a pattern of behavior of treating women poorly and only telling half truths. And as much as I wanted to feel sorry for Lauren, at this point I don't care. Last night she showed herself to be just as vapid and self absorbed as he is, they really do deserve each other. 

Here hear! Perfectly stated. Love a good voice of reason and decency.

[MakeMeLaugh]

1 hour ago, Boofish said:

No it's not just you. Me personally think that 95% of the people on the Bachelor is "ok looking." None of them have been a great beauty in my opinion. The only Bachelor I could see 25 women actually vying for is Brad Womack. And the only B'ette I could see a bunch of men vying for is Emily. Now don't get me wrong. To me there is absolutely NOTHING SPECIAL about Emily. But she is what American men find attractive. 

On a normal day in a normal setting no one would barely turn their head to get a second look at Ashley, Jason, Desiree, De'Anna, both Ben's, that fake Prince .. I could go on.

Totally agree. Lauren is conventionally pretty imo but wouldn’t stand out in a crowd, and (yes, I’m going straight to hell) Becca’s face is proportionately odd imo and she has a clompy walk. She could be Gal Gadot’s sister. I’m real curious about how she’ll do as the B’ette—she seems like she’ll be an Ashley, where she worries no one really likes her and picks a JP right away. She looked great on ATFR, though.

Baby Bekah can go as a girl Beaver Cleaver for Halloween forever. 

Edited March 7, 2018 by MakeMeLaugh

[sasha206]

9 minutes ago, MakeMeLaugh said:

Totally agree. Lauren is conventionally pretty imo but wouldn’t stand out in a crowd, and (yes, I’m going straight to hell) Becca’s face is proportionately odd imo and she has a clompy walk. She could be Gal Gadot’s sister. I’m real curious about how she’ll do as the B’ette—she seems like she’ll be an Ashley, where she worries no one really likes her and picks a JP right away. She looked great on ATFR, though.

Baby Bekah can go as a girl Beaver Cleaver for Halloween forever. 

Baby Bekah looked so cute to me when she was on the show. Now she really looks like her wanted photos.  Her face looks very flat and wide.  Did she stop doing botox by her jawline?  

[mcmrdh]

1 hour ago, alexa said:

And won't she eventually be disappointed that he dresses like an old man?  I don't think he will give up his sweaters for her.... lol!

BWAHAHAHAHA

[sasha206]

Just finished watching the show.  I'm cracking up at how we're supposed to be so upset for Becca getting her heart broken as if this was some true love engagement that was built on a solid foundation and then shortly after ther reveal, it's "Let's go out with a bunch of random dudes on the spinoff reality show.  LET'S DO THIS MAN!"  

And geez, I hope for Becca's sake the rest of the men are a lot better looking than the ones they introduced her to on this show.

Edited March 7, 2018 by sasha206

[Wings]

18 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Just finished watching the show.  I'm cracking up at how we're supposed to be so updset for Becca getting her heart broken as if this was some true love engagement that was built on a solid foundation and then shortly after ther reveal, it's "Let's go out with a bunch of random dudes on the spinoff reality show.  LET'S DO THIS MAN!"  

And geez, I hope for Becca's sake the rest of the men are a lot better looking than the ones they introduced her to on this show.

No, most think she dodged a bullet.  The uproar is about him lying.  They links above talk about it. 

Edited March 7, 2018 by Wings

[Hpmec]

Lauren made a huge ass out of herself when she opined about Arie's "honesty" and the "respectful" way he handled the situation. I was surprised the entire audience didn't break out in belly laughs. She's either completely clueless or thoroughly delusional and will, no doubt, change her tune bigtime when she discovers texts or voicemails from the next hottie he sets his sights on. And that onstage proposal was ridiculous. She is so desperate to be married, an immediate engagement was probably a condition of her agreeing to get back together. She told Kimmel she was already planning a wedding. Who does this unless the ring is already on the finger? What's the rush anyway? This guy is a known player with a horrible track record and a recently broken engagement. If she had any sense at all, she'd proceed cautiously. She's 25 and has plenty of time. Somebody needs to remind her of the old saying, "Marry (Arie) in haste, repent at leisure." 

[sasha206]

10 minutes ago, Wings said:

No, most think she dodged a bullet.  The uproar is about him lying and faking.  They links above talk about it. 

 

The entire show is based on lying and faking.  I mean did Becca really fall head over heels, ready for marriage after ust a few solo dates?  And if she was head over heels in love, planning the rest of their lives together after, wouldn't she need some time to get over her tremendous heartbreak before she goes out with 27 different men on a new reality show?  

I think deep down we all know that these people are only in this for the fame, Becca included.  Some may fall in love and marry for real, but those who do get to peddle books about their grand love affair and turn their notoriety into something that generates income.

So it's hard for me to think Arie is satan himself.  This was so producer driven it's ridiculous.  Wonder how they plan to top this MOST SHOCKING BACHELOR EPISODE IN HISTORY...

Edited March 7, 2018 by sasha206

[Janc]

2 hours ago, Wings said:

I love this.  I liked Wells immensely and I have a hunch his brother is a nifty guy, too.  

Mark Twain- "“A gentleman is someone who knows how to play the banjo and doesn't.” 

Alas, Wells admitted on Twitter that banjo guy isn't really his brother.... I deleted the original post but you were too quick, Wings!  

[yorklee2]

Quote

I think people wanted to see that he gave a damn about these women he was hurting, but that's just not his MO.

For all the people who didn't like Nick I don't think he could be accused of being uncaring. I'm reminded of when he let Raven go. You could tell he was genuinely upset that he was hurting her and that was in the normal situation of the Bachelor having to pick his F1. No way would he have been a part of that fiasco Arie orchestrated. I think that was what the viewers wanted to see. Some genuine turmoil in the fact that you are having to break someone's heart. But you can't show it if your incapable of feeling it. Glad this season is over. Show needs to wait a good long time before they maybe attempt to show his face around this franchise again. BachelorNation needs time to heal from that insensitive callous behaviour we had to witness. Personally I hope we never have to see his face again.

Edited March 7, 2018 by yorklee2

[slowpoked]

Sigh....I had hoped that after the shitty way production treated Becca when Arie broke up with her, that she would have the guts to give them the middle finger and just walk away and say "no, I'm not going to give you the satisfaction of "Becca's heart was broken, now she's looking for love..." storyline on this next season of the Bachelorette!" But oh well, the lure of fame and Instagram notoriety is strong.

The only one who ever truly walked away from this and be never heard from again after AFTR was Chantal from Brad 2.0 season. They wanted her to be the next B'ette but she said no and that's how they ended up with Ashley. She put her foot down and lived her life quietly, and most importantly, AWAY from the Bachelor Nation. Which makes me want to even see her more as the B'ette. But much respect to Chantal. 

[Wings]

4 minutes ago, Janc said:

Alas, Wells admitted on Twitter that banjo guy isn't really his brother.... I deleted the original post but you were too quick, Wings!  

Glad to hear that.  I am not fond of banjo music outside of Deliverance.   :>

[yorklee2]

3 hours ago, Cajungirl64 said:

LMAO!! (Don't judge me - this was funny as s***). 

Agree. 

"Hey Becca you want some wheat thins"...lol

You kind of feel bad for laughing but actually it was a killer jab at Arie showing just what a ass he is. We needed the laughs after these last few episodes.

Edited March 7, 2018 by yorklee2

[Wings]

1 minute ago, yorklee2 said:

2 hours ago, Cajungirl64 said:

LMAO!! (Don't judge me - this was funny as s***). 

Agree. 

"Hey Lauren you want some triscuits"...lol

You kind of feel bad for laughing but actually it was a killer jab at Arie showing just what a ass he is. We needed the laughs after these last few episodes.

What did I miss?  Triscuits? 

[yorklee2]

14 minutes ago, Wings said:

What did I miss?  Triscuits? 

It's a hilarious video that Nick and Dean from the franchise did spoofing Arie's dumbass. Check it out. It's upthread.

ETA: Oops sorry it was Becca not Lauren and "wheat thins". Sorry I had a brain fart. Corrected it in my original post.

Edited March 7, 2018 by yorklee2

[antfitz]

15 hours ago, Stan39 said:

Lauren didn't watch the show but thinks Arie handled it well? And Arie, you didn't take a risk. Stop saying it!!

 We shouldn't be surprised, his name is "lyin dick."

[crgirl412]

2 hours ago, Cajungirl64 said:

LMAO!! (Don't judge me - this was funny as s***). 

That was awesome!!  Loved the gray wig!!!

[JenE4]

Yeah, the vitriol toward Arie and the accusation of Lauren being “complicit” as if this is the aftermath of a crime is over the top. I agree that he showed a lack of empathy toward Becca. But at the same time he’s being accused of following her around with cameras for nothing more than the motivation of juicy footage. I think he just wanted to be sure that he was there for her in his own awkward way. She whimpered a bit but she sure as hell wasnt “ugly crying” and didn’t have much to say. I think he was availing himself so she could “let him have it” and he was willing to take whatever “it” would have been. But Becca wasn’t too broken up about it 2 months ago, and she sure as hell isn’t broken up about it now. This is “part of her story,” so she says, to bring her to being The Bachelorette and “doing the thing.” I don’t think it matters much to her what “thing” she “does” and with whom—and she realizes she’ll have better options than Grandpa Possum.

I understand there’s a litany of “player allegations” spanning 5 years’ worth of People Magazines and Reality Steve tidbits and thwarted women tweets. Ok. But if you think Arie is such a bad dude, then why would you WANT him to be with Becca? Sounds like she dodged a bullet AND was set up for the spin off as the most beloved Bachelorette in Bachelor History—when meanwhile 3 weeks ago and ALL season long—when talking about who “deserved” the lead, her name wasn’t ever mentioned as a contender: it was only ever the OTHER Bekah, Sienne, Tia, and Kendall. (Oddly, all of the “friends” except hanger-on Caroline.) Arie dumping Becca after a month and a half “engagement” was the best thing to ever happen to this woman.

i can understand not liking Arie as a person. And the WAY he handled it was less than ideal, but there is nothing implicitly wrong in realizing over a month or two that he made a mistake. EVERY freaking Bachelor EXCEPT for Sean ALSO quickly realized he made a mistake with his engagement and broke it off. So odds are this engagement with Becca was not going to make it in the long haul—especially when he went into the engagement equally in love with Lauren. As Harrison said last night, Bachelor currently has a 100% success rate for dumping F1 for F2. It also has a 5% success rate for marrying F1. 

Hate the player, not the game. So dislike Arie for being cold-hearted, a player, wearing cardigans, acting like a grandpa, and having a beady possum face all you want. But you can’t fault him for realizing he should have proposed to Lauren but he was afraid she’d say no so he took the safe bet. It’s a television show about him dating and breaking hearts to ultimately find the person to marry. That’s exactly what he did. So he needed a few more weeks to figure out his heart than originally scheduled filming allowed for. So ABC let them film A Very Special Breakup Episode and gave them one more broadcast night. This breakup wasn’t even particularly heart wrenching to be THIS angry at the guy. Imma gonna stop you here for a minute. Jake and Vienna had the best Bachelor breakup of all time.

[LennieBriscoe]

2 hours ago, Mu Shu said:

 Sloppy seconds.

It's a term reserved for females. I can only refer you to the Urban Dictionary. (Not linking! NSFW!)

[Llama]

16 hours ago, Stan39 said:

Did anyone else catch him say, "You let me make that phone call [to Lauren] because you knew I needed to see if there was something there"? Or something like that? He basically, A) blamed Becca for it/denied responsibility and B) COMPLETELY misrepresented that phone call! Becca thought the call was for closure. 

SO MUCH THIS!! I just watched and that really pissed me off. No accountability, and he talks in this manner that you don't realize until later - wait a minute he said what?!? (Which surprised me that Becca wasn't harder on him).