Joy and Austin: This One Time At Family Camp

[emmawoodhouse]

3 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

I love that Joy took it upon herself to get Gideon screened, however, I hate that she was filming the testing. Test contents should not be displayed like that for the public as it threatens test integrity. There is a website called Testing Mom that will publish similar items that are seen on psychological tests, for moms to use to coach their kids so that they can score really high on IQ tests and get into a gifted program. It's incredibly unethical. I realize that Joy filmed the administration of language test items, not psychological tests, but it still applies. However, the onus is also really on the evaluators because I wouldn't expect Joy to know test copyright laws as a layperson. 

I feel like the title is misleading though...I don't think it was recommended for Gideon to participate in therapy? I thought the specialist told Joy to do some exercises at home to work on his communication and fine motor skills. 

 

 

She said there would be a second video with more details. I checked the info, and she said that video would be posted tomorrow. I hope that she didn't film more of Gideon's testing.

[CalicoKitty]

42 minutes ago, madpsych78 said:

Test contents should not be displayed like that for the public as it threatens test integrity. There is a website called Testing Mom that will publish similar items that are seen on psychological tests, for moms to use to coach their kids so that they can score really high on IQ tests and get into a gifted program. It's incredibly unethical. 

 

 

 

Unfortunately, this cuts both ways.  I have actually had parents of students that wanted their kid to do as poorly as possible on testing so they would qualify for extra programs and funding, and maybe a one-on-one aide.  Luckily, these parents were in the minority, but it does still happen.  At the hospital, I had one family that was hoping their baby would be in the NICU so they would get all the goodies--free diapers, formula, and day care-- that their first child had.  I know, I don't get it either.  I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it.

It is too bad that Joy is still taking privacy away from her children.  My hope is that someone in charge of the testing realizes what she is posting and puts a stop to it.

[emmawoodhouse]

5 minutes ago, CalicoKitty said:

Unfortunately, this cuts both ways.  I have actually had parents of students that wanted their kid to do as poorly as possible on testing so they would qualify for extra programs and funding, and maybe a one-on-one aide.  Luckily, these parents were in the minority, but it does still happen.  At the hospital, I had one family that was hoping their baby would be in the NICU so they would get all the goodies--free diapers, formula, and day care-- that their first child had.  I know, I don't get it either.  I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it.

It is too bad that Joy is still taking privacy away from her children.  My hope is that someone in charge of the testing realizes what she is posting and puts a stop to it.

Miss What's Her Name appears to enjoy being associated with the Duggars. It's the same person that Jessa took Henry to for assessments. And I sincerely doubt that Jessa ever took Henry to a speech pathologist, but Joy claims he's all caught up. 

No Joy. We can watch five year old Henry in a video and easily note that he's behind. I hope Giddy doesn't end up the same. 

[GeeGolly]

I didn't watch the video and don't know where Joy actually brought Giddy, but I'm surprised it was allowed to be filmed. Was it more of a preschool type screening or was it an actual neuropsych evaluation? 

Cross posted with @emmawoodhouse. So it was more of a preschool screening. In the pics we've seen, Giddy and Henry seem to be TTH buddies, so its no surprise to me Giddy's speech may be off. This is where having no TV is a disservice to these kids. I don't know what's out there for kids these days, but Sesame Street and Mr Rogers were great for kids to watch, especially if they're not attending preschool.

Edited February 20, 2022 by GeeGolly

[emmawoodhouse]

What we saw in this video was more a preschool type screening. They also tested stiff like fine motor skills (Giddy needs some work here), but Joy didn't film that, at least not in this video. If he had a psych evaluation, it wasn't mentioned. I don't know exactly how Miss What's Her Name is qualified to do any evaluations. 

Edited February 20, 2022 by emmawoodhouse

[ginger90]

I think there are two messages in what Joy is posting. One is a good message about getting assistance for your child, and the other is a response to criticism I’m sure she has received,  to videos she’s previously posted, much like Jessa.

Now there are going to be articles written about this, that’s guaranteed and sad.

 

The second video is up, providing the headline:

[GeeGolly]

I watched the second video. It appears Giddy has trouble processing information. Unless I missed it, Joy didn't commit to a full evaluation. When the woman was talking about cost/insurance, I got the impression Giddy has Medicaid. I skipped the woman talking about what I assume are her credentials, but I'm guessing its all legit.

I'm very curious what the heavy edit took out, somewhere in maybe the first 5 - 7 minutes.

[auntieminem]

Watched the second and it was like a PSA and infomercial for the center. It actually had lots of good information and resources and encouraging for parents to get evaluations if they have concerns. They did not show Gideon in this one so that was better.  I hope it will make other parents feel comfortable about getting help for their kids if they are concerned. 

Oh, I seriously doubt they are on Medicaid but mentioned it as being accepted for their services along with other insurances.  She also mentioned other similar services in the community that help kids.  So even though she might of been making the video for $$ and promoting the agency I think the information was helpful to others. 

ETA: The comments seem to be supportive and other parents talking about early intervention with  their kids.  

Edited February 20, 2022 by auntieminem

[GeeGolly]

23 minutes ago, auntieminem said:

Oh, I seriously doubt they are on Medicaid but mentioned it as being accepted for their services along with other insurances.  She also mentioned other similar services in the community that help kids.  So even though she might of been making the video for $$ and promoting the agency I think the information was helpful to others. 

ETA: The comments seem to be supportive and other parents talking about early intervention with  their kids.  

The reason I think Giddy is on Medicaid, wasn't because Medicaid was mentioned, it was the nonverbals that occurred when it was mentioned.

[Zella]

My guess is she probably has them on AR Kids, which is through Medicaid. I don't know a ton about it since I don't have children, but it is very popular here and provides coverage for a lot of kids who wouldn't get any otherwise. I know lots of families with AR Kids coverage, and questions about it are popular on local FB groups. 

Edited February 20, 2022 by Zella

[Ljohnson1987]

Joy... Just because you had your life filmed without choice... Doesn't mean you should continue that cycle for your kids. No one needs to see that Gid went to a therapist for an evaluation. 

[Nysha]

Honestly, I don't think it is a big deal that Joy filmed Gideon's evaluation. There are a lot of parents that don't have their toddlers evaluated because they think it will be used by the government to take their children away from them. Joy showed that not only will the parents be in the room, but that nothing personal is being discussed. 

As for profiting off her children...isn't that what YouTube is for? I'm not saying it's right, but very little of the children's life is shown. They don't have special lighting installed in their home or camera crews following them around to catch them dong something interest, so Joy probably doesn't equate her experience with the videos she posts of her children.

[GeeGolly]

31 minutes ago, Ljohnson1987 said:

Joy... Just because you had your life filmed without choice... Doesn't mean you should continue that cycle for your kids. No one needs to see that Gid went to a therapist for an evaluation. 

If he was every to enter the mainstream workforce, I could see an asshole interviewer saying, well I see you're better able to process information now.

[Madtown]

So if the first video was a preschool type screening, does this mean she might put him in one? I highly doubt it, but he could sure use it. Joy teaching him is no good. She might want to work on the thumb sucking too. He was still doing in that speaker video she posted.

[Nysha]

1 minute ago, GeeGolly said:

If he was every to enter the mainstream workforce, I could see an asshole interviewer saying, well I see you're better able to process information now.

By the time Gideon is old enough to enter the workforce the Duggar's are going to be ancient history. Since Gideon's last name isn't Duggar, I don't think there's a chance in hell an interviewer is going to search 20 year old YouTube videos for incriminating evidence. 

[GeeGolly]

3 minutes ago, Nysha said:

By the time Gideon is old enough to enter the workforce the Duggar's are going to be ancient history. Since Gideon's last name isn't Duggar, I don't think there's a chance in hell an interviewer is going to search 20 year old YouTube videos for incriminating evidence. 

You don't need to search certain sites - you just put the name in Google and see what comes up. We do it all the time when hiring.

One time we put an potential candidates name in and a picture of them smoking pot popped up. But I still hired them.

Edited February 20, 2022 by GeeGolly

[mynextmistake]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

If he was every to enter the mainstream workforce, I could see an asshole interviewer saying, well I see you're better able to process information now.

I would be extremely surprised to find out there was a hiring manager out there who had the time or inclination to google a candidate, find a twenty-year-old video of the candidate’s mother talking about the candidate needing early intervention for special learning needs in preschool, and then bring it up in the interview. There are a lot of legitimate reasons to be critical of Joy for putting details of Gideon’s life on You Tube, but I don’t think concern about his future employability is one of them. 

[ginger90]

There are many employers who Google candidates. They also look at social media. Many do background checks, and fingerprinting. It does happen. Will it apply here? Who knows. Should this particular YouTube video posting have any influence, I would hope not.

Edited February 20, 2022 by ginger90

[mynextmistake]

Just now, ginger90 said:

There are many employers who Google candidates. They also look at social media. Many do background checks, and fingerprinting. It does happen. Will it apply here? Who knows.

Sure, but they’re looking for things that impact current hireability, not stuff that happened when the candidate was four. And if they are looking for things that far back just to snark on a candidate in an interview, they need to get lives. 

[GeeGolly]

3 minutes ago, ginger90 said:

There are many employers who Google candidates. They also look at social media. Many do background checks, and fingerprinting. It does happen. Will it apply here? Who knows.

Yup, like I said - we do. And Giddy may never apply for a job that will check - but he may.

1 minute ago, mynextmistake said:

Sure, but they’re looking for things that impact current hireability, not stuff that happened when the candidate was four. And if they are looking for things that far back just to snark on a candidate in an interview, they need to get lives. 

Like I said in my original post, an asshole interviewer. But anyway, when we Google candidates we're not looking for anything in particular, we're just looking to see what pops up initially. All kinds of stuff pops up. And yes stuff from years ago does too. It all matters how posts are tagged.

[mynextmistake]

Just now, GeeGolly said:

Yup, like I said - we do. And Giddy may never apply for a job that will check - but he may.

Like I said in my original post, an asshole interviewer. But anyway, when we Google candidates we're not looking for anything in particular, we're just looking to see what pops up initially. All kinds of stuff pops up. And yes stuff from years ago does too. It all matters how posts are tagged.

Yes, but your example using this specific post of Joy’s being used to taunt Gideon in a future interview seems like rampant speculation about something that is very unlikely to happen. There’s enough real stuff to criticize the Duggars for — why do we need to clutch our pearls over something that is at most a distant possibility?

Maybe I’m just saying that because speculation that becomes fact makes me itchy. 🤷‍♀️

[GeeGolly]

30 minutes ago, mynextmistake said:

Yes, but your example using this specific post of Joy’s being used to taunt Gideon in a future interview seems like rampant speculation about something that is very unlikely to happen. There’s enough real stuff to criticize the Duggars for — why do we need to clutch our pearls over something that is at most a distant possibility?

Maybe I’m just saying that because speculation that becomes fact makes me itchy. 🤷‍♀️

Clearly it was speculation - the kid is 4.

Edited February 20, 2022 by GeeGolly

[SMama]

As the mother of two kids who needed speech therapy I was surprised by Gideon’s diagnosis. He scored higher on expressive than receptive language. It doesn’t make sense. 
I’m not a fan of filming kids but at least some leg humpers will take their kids to be evaluated.

[Cinnabon]

7 hours ago, ginger90 said:

I think there are two messages in what Joy is posting. One is a good message about getting assistance for your child, and the other is a response to criticism I’m sure she has received,  to videos she’s previously posted, much like Jessa.

Now there are going to be articles written about this, that’s guaranteed and sad.

 

The second video is up, providing the headline:

How is it sad? SHE invites this by exploiting her child. No one else is to blame.

[Cinnabon]

2 hours ago, Nysha said:

Honestly, I don't think it is a big deal that Joy filmed Gideon's evaluation. There are a lot of parents that don't have their toddlers evaluated because they think it will be used by the government to take their children away from them. Joy showed that not only will the parents be in the room, but that nothing personal is being discussed. 

As for profiting off her children...isn't that what YouTube is for? I'm not saying it's right, but very little of the children's life is shown. They don't have special lighting installed in their home or camera crews following them around to catch them dong something interest, so Joy probably doesn't equate her experience with the videos she posts of her children.

It’s the opposite - parents will be looked at more critically if they DON’T get their kids needed treatments. And they would never get “taken away” for a lack of this kind of testing. 

2 hours ago, Nysha said:

Honestly, I don't think it is a big deal that Joy filmed Gideon's evaluation. There are a lot of parents that don't have their toddlers evaluated because they think it will be used by the government to take their children away from them. Joy showed that not only will the parents be in the room, but that nothing personal is being discussed. 

As for profiting off her children...isn't that what YouTube is for? I'm not saying it's right, but very little of the children's life is shown. They don't have special lighting installed in their home or camera crews following them around to catch them dong something interest, so Joy probably doesn't equate her experience with the videos she posts of her children.

LOL. I was completely unaware that YouTube was for exploiting kids. ?????

[Cinnabon]

42 minutes ago, mynextmistake said:

Sure, but they’re looking for things that impact current hireability, not stuff that happened when the candidate was four. And if they are looking for things that far back just to snark on a candidate in an interview, they need to get lives. 

Knowing that someone was raised in a cult would give me pause as an employer. 🤷‍♀️ And raised and taught by half wits, especially Joy. The truth can be cruel. 

[GeeGolly]

Like I said in another post, awareness is great, but I think a parent should take great pause before putting their kid out there as a poster child for anything. I don't think Joy gives any post a second thought, other than maybe trying to avoid negative comments. 

And if she wanted to bring awareness to developmental delays, the time would be, IMO, after everything is all said and done. Wait a year or two, then do a video saying what she did and how it helped. Joy wouldn't even have to say what delay Giddy was struggling with.

[Lady Whistleup]

It's good that Gideon is getting tested. Having said that, it's hard to know what is a "developmental delay" and what's actually just lack of normal brain stimulation. Gideon leads such a rigid, limited life. Joy probably doesn't read to him, they don't watch educational tv shows like Sesame Street, their only playmates are their cousins.

[madpsych78]

Lots to unpack with this second video!

First of all, this was most definitely not a neuropsychological evaluation. It was a language screening. Although, for someone Gideon's age, a neuropsychological evaluation would not be as extensive as it would be for someone older. For most 3- and 4-year-olds that I evaluate, I will look at their developmental functioning and will routinely screen for autism, with a full autism evaluation depending on the screening and the referral concerns. Depending on their capabilities and the referral concerns I will assess their intellectual functioning, early academic readiness skills, oral language, visual-motor skills, and social/emotional functioning. 

Second, the clinician mentioned a Certificate of Clinical Competence which is a credential in speech/language pathology. I'm a psychologist, but I've worked with many SLPs and they often have CCC-SLP in their titles which represents their credentials. It's similar to my having licensure as a psychologist. So everything that the clinician said seems to check out with me.

https://www.asha.org/certification/SLPCertification/

The link above is from the American Speech/Language and Hearing Association (ASHA).

Third, someone mentioned that it seemed unusual that Gideon's receptive language was weaker than his expressive language. It is less common, but it's not impossible. There could also be additional extraneous factors at play.

For a little background, receptive language typically comes into play before expressive language in terms of development (i.e., understanding language before producing it). We don't know Gideon's exact test results (other than that receptive was just under the 15th percentile according to the SLP), and we don't know if there is a significant discrepancy or not between receptive and expressive language. That's one of the drawbacks of a screener versus a full evaluation. For all we know, Gideon's receptive language fell just under the passing threshold and expressive language just happened to fall just over the passing threshold, and yet they weren't statistically different. 

I've sometimes had kids attain weaker scores on receptive versus expressive and the explanation was more related to attention difficulties versus a true receptive language disorder. Same thing with kids with autism, especially those who are verbal. Some of them may have good vocabulary and be really good at labeling the things, speaking in multiple-word sentences, and so forth...but then struggle to respond to their name, answer questions you ask them, follow instructions, etc.

Edited February 21, 2022 by madpsych78

[Cinnabon]

3 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

It's good that Gideon is getting tested. Having said that, it's hard to know what is a "developmental delay" and what's actually just lack of normal brain stimulation. Gideon leads such a rigid, limited life. Joy probably doesn't read to him, they don't watch educational tv shows like Sesame Street, their only playmates are their cousins.

Yep. That’s why I commented that the  best advice this woman (what kind of credentials does she have?) could have given them was to send Gideon to some kind of preschool.

ETA - I see someone has already answered my question about the examiner’s credentials. 

Edited February 21, 2022 by Cinnabon

[galaxygirl76]

14 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

It's good that Gideon is getting tested. Having said that, it's hard to know what is a "developmental delay" and what's actually just lack of normal brain stimulation. Gideon leads such a rigid, limited life. Joy probably doesn't read to him, they don't watch educational tv shows like Sesame Street, their only playmates are their cousins.

Didn't Joy say something along the lines that she does about 10 minutes a day of teaching him?

[Jeeves]

14 hours ago, Lady Whistleup said:

It's good that Gideon is getting tested. Having said that, it's hard to know what is a "developmental delay" and what's actually just lack of normal brain stimulation. Gideon leads such a rigid, limited life. Joy probably doesn't read to him, they don't watch educational tv shows like Sesame Street, their only playmates are their cousins.

No worries. All they ever need is Jesus. 24/7/365. 🙁

[GeeGolly]

I get the impression that Austin doesn't think Joy is very smart. I wonder with this newly discovered delay if Austin and Joy will consider putting Giddy in preschool. I'm guessing they must have some Christian based ones in the area. Even a Christian mom co-op would benefit the Forsyth kids.

[Ijustwantsomechips]

Joy is a dimwit so I’m sure that accounts for at least sone of the delay.  The isolation from educational programming, libraries, and people who recite more than bible verses probably doesn’t help either.  The cousins are all isolated too, so how much could he really even learn from them?

Edited February 21, 2022 by Ijustwantsomechips

[irisheyes]

If Giddy is 4, he could receive services for free through the public school system (if he qualifies).  

[Boston]

On 2/20/2022 at 8:28 AM, ginger90 said:

I think there are two messages in what Joy is posting. One is a good message about getting assistance for your child, and the other is a response to criticism I’m sure she has received,  to videos she’s previously posted, much like Jessa.

Now there are going to be articles written about this, that’s guaranteed and sad.

 

The second video is up, providing the headline:

I'm sure Gideon will love seeing this when he gets on social media someday.  She's a nutcase.  I have nothing against homeschooling - if you know what you're doing.  First Henry, now Gideon.  I'm sure there were alot more from TSOTDT who probably needed help but we know they never got it.  Makes me so angry.  JMO

[cmr2014]

3 hours ago, GeeGolly said:

I get the impression that Austin doesn't think Joy is very smart. I wonder with this newly discovered delay if Austin and Joy will consider putting Giddy in preschool. I'm guessing they must have some Christian based ones in the area. Even a Christian mom co-op would benefit the Forsyth kids.

I think that this may be a precursor to putting Giddy in school.

I don't think that Joy especially likes being a SAHM and would enjoy having him in school a few hours a week. She's seen that Izzy is in school and hasn't become an out-of-control, Satan-loving lunatic and is looking for some justification that won't cause waves at the TTH.

I think that all of the Duggars are within the bounds of normal intelligence. I don't think any of them are particularly bright or particularly dim. I do think that some of them come across as a bit dim, but I think that has more to do with their limited exposure to every imaginable type of intellectual stimulation.

[GeeGolly]

28 minutes ago, cmr2014 said:

I think that this may be a precursor to putting Giddy in school.

I don't think that Joy especially likes being a SAHM and would enjoy having him in school a few hours a week. She's seen that Izzy is in school and hasn't become an out-of-control, Satan-loving lunatic and is looking for some justification that won't cause waves at the TTH.

I think that all of the Duggars are within the bounds of normal intelligence. I don't think any of them are particularly bright or particularly dim. I do think that some of them come across as a bit dim, but I think that has more to do with their limited exposure to every imaginable type of intellectual stimulation.

I agree they all fall in the normal range of intelligence, with some having better critical thinking skills. Joy reminds me of my niece - lives very much in the moment and makes little effort to connect any dots. Kind of a sweet simpleness, but not stupid.

[Meow25]

On 2/20/2022 at 11:54 AM, Zella said:

My guess is she probably has them on AR Kids, which is through Medicaid. I don't know a ton about it since I don't have children, but it is very popular here and provides coverage for a lot of kids who wouldn't get any otherwise. I know lots of families with AR Kids coverage, and questions about it are popular on local FB groups. 

If Austin is self employed medicade is EXTREMELY easy to get.  What paycheck people don't understand is that if you are self employed and make 60k, after write offs (even just standard deduction) your taxes say you make about 40K, then if you have a large family the standard poverty rates go pretty high.  

My husband is self employed, and it actually pisses me off.  We live in PA, and have 5 teenagers.  He makes about 110K a year.  After write offs and our 7 person family we make enough for low cost CHIP.  It's not medicaid but kind of (There are levels in PA).  We pay $25 a month per child.  There have been low years (where he didn't make as much) when we bounced into Medicaid.  It's acutally extremely frustrating because our doctors may or may not take CHIP and/or medicaid.  We could afford to jump onto our OWN plan, but the health insurance companies force you to go through the system to see what you qualify for, so I always feel like a mooch.  

So, for the self employed, it's actually really hard.  You either pay through the teeth for taxes by not taking the write offs...or you take the write offs and your 1040 makes you look destitute and you can't get a loan.  

It wouldn't suprise me a bit if he is a schedule C and on medicaid.  

[Cinnabon]

5 hours ago, galaxygirl76 said:

Didn't Joy say something along the lines that she does about 10 minutes a day of teaching him?

Yes, on days when she could. I wonder how many days there are when she isn’t able to? 😢

Edited February 21, 2022 by Cinnabon

[dargosmydaddy]

Are the Forsyths big on home schooling? Joy seems at least somewhat close to her two sister-in-laws, including Austin's half-sister who has a bunch of school-aged kids. (I think the other sister's kids are around the same age as Joy's.) I'm wondering if she could get advice from that side of the family.

[BitterApple]

I'm sort of "meh" on this whole thing. Sure, it's great Joy took Giddy to be evaluated, but if there's no follow through, what's the point? The kid needs to be in real school with real teachers. Joy had no interest in learning on the original show and said as much, so it's unlikely she'll be committed to teaching Gideon. 

 

[Cinnabon]

6 minutes ago, BitterApple said:

I'm sort of "meh" on this whole thing. Sure, it's great Joy took Giddy to be evaluated, but if there's no follow through, what's the point? The kid needs to be in real school with real teachers. Joy had no interest in learning on the original show and said as much, so it's unlikely she'll be committed to teaching Gideon. 

 

Just like Jessa’s visit to get Henry tested, Joy’s seems to have been mostly performative. Neither of those visits needed to be taped and shared with millions of strangers, and I doubt  either Jessa or Joy took anything from the visits.

[Nysha]

On 2/20/2022 at 12:37 PM, Cinnabon said:

 

On 2/20/2022 at 9:48 AM, Nysha said:

Honestly, I don't think it is a big deal that Joy filmed Gideon's evaluation. There are a lot of parents that don't have their toddlers evaluated because they think it will be used by the government to take their children away from them. Joy showed that not only will the parents be in the room, but that nothing personal is being discussed. 

As for profiting off her children...isn't that what YouTube is for? I'm not saying it's right, but very little of the children's life is shown. They don't have special lighting installed in their home or camera crews following them around to catch them dong something interest, so Joy probably doesn't equate her experience with the videos she posts of her children.

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LOL. I was completely unaware that YouTube was for exploiting kids. ?????

It’s the opposite - parents will be looked at more critically if they DON’T get their kids needed treatments. And they would never get “taken away” for a lack of this kind of testing. 

I watch a couple of family videos where it is obvious that the videos focusing on the children get the most views and comments. Because I watch them, I get a lot of video suggestions like them. That's what my comment was about, even though it isn't literally true.

Conservative homeschooling fundamentalist parents are terrified that the government is going to take their kids away. Some of this is a generational fear dating back to homeschooling not being legal in a lot of states in the 1980s and 90s. Some of it is general xtian paranoia that it's the end days and the government is filled with Satan's minions.

[Lady Whistleup]

I don't see Joy sending her kids to school. Jessa has harshly rejected that idea and I feel like Joy is just as rigid in her worldview.

[ozziemom]

17 minutes ago, Lady Whistleup said:

I don't see Joy sending her kids to school. Jessa has harshly rejected that idea and I feel like Joy is just as rigid in her worldview.

Plus most of the Duggar kids never learned how to operate on a schedule or how to be on time for things, so getting a kid to school is beyond them.

[SMama]

Just now, ozziemom said:

Plus most of the Duggar kids never learned how to operate on a schedule or how to be on time for things, so getting a kid to school is beyond them.

Jill has managed to get Israel to school.

[Cinnabon]

12 minutes ago, SMama said:

Jill has managed to get Israel to school.

With the help of a supportive husband who values education. Joy has Austin - enough said.

[Lady Whistleup]

16 minutes ago, SMama said:

Jill has managed to get Israel to school.

Jill is different. Derick is a very stern figure and he values education. He's trying to get his law degree. Jill's kids are older, and she also has a small manageable family plus a dog. I don't see Joy stopping at 2 kids, or having the pressure to put her kids in school from Austin.

[lascuba]

On 2/21/2022 at 3:27 PM, Cinnabon said:

Just like Jessa’s visit to get Henry tested, Joy’s seems to have been mostly performative. Neither of those visits needed to be taped and shared with millions of strangers, and I doubt  either Jessa or Joy took anything from the visits.

It makes me wonder if that place Jessa and Joy took the kids to is run by a friend or something. Why bother going for the evaluations if they're not going to bother following up?